Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It's pretty metaphorically self explanatory to me. It's about taking LSD and going into a trip basically trying to find yourself and not getting out of ones conscious though. Basically like being stuck on a trip. BYE BYE! Does everyone agree?

I beleive its about LA. How its wrapped in flowers, Axl is the naive little boy who wants to leave for a music carreer in LA. While Cooper is an old, seen it all druggie, who is warning "Only Poor boys take a chance, in this Garden song and dance" So, yeah I guess Drugs or LA are good bets. :beer:

its about being in the wrong section and wanting to know things about the past, about the eternal struggle of beating dead horses.

I have a better question... why do you post all your questions on two different boards?  You asked the same thing on this board and on the chinesedemocracy.com board.  What gives?  And I know this isnt the first time you did this. 

maybe so he'll get different answers

I don't see a problem with it......

why do you read two different boards?? ::)

To be fair, I don't think that is a better question.

-------------------> lol!

I read somewhere that it's about the Manson family and Spawn ranch.

The guy posted a question about a GNR song, he didn't start trolling on any of the topics that cause trouble, why is he getting abuse for it? So what if he asked the same question somewhere else to get some different opinions...maybe it interests him....

Anyway i think some of the other posts hold the answer...maybe a mix of drugs, the danger of fame and the LA lifestyle, and the general way a lot that can seem enticing and beautiful at first can ruin a man...

How about you be quiet and let him ask the question. He isn't starting some rumor or anything like that. It is a very legit question. Who cares if he has it on two different boards? Two different boards = many different points of view. So shh.

I'm not trying to cause no problems. I'm a fan just like evryone else and theres no problem getting more imput! We all learn new things or share ideas off of each other let's keep the unity and not the bashing. I'm glad to be member on this board also. Theres nothing wrong with being involved in as much GNR discussion as possible......

As far as
The Garden in my book ''The band that time forgot'' It states it is about a drug experience and how Axl's mindframe was at the time. The video shows all the tripped out stuff with the liquid type melting screen and so forth.....

I always thought it best to see it as you choose to see it.

I may be wrong but I believe I read somewhere 'The Garden' was a name for the place they used to hang out in LA basically getting fucked all day long.

I think the song is reflecting a safe place.

..as much as I like the Garden, I've never really given the lyrics much thought  :peace:

Over on this site:
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1127
someone claims to think that the Garden is about:

Charles Manson and the Manson Girls. Axl has met Manson and at least one of his girls, namely Gypsy. The girls today are into gardening. They tend the garden daily. Manson has ATWA web site. It stands for air, trees, water, animals. Rose makes reference to a crazy man, life inside, trees, Gypsy and the garden. The duet is wth Alice Cooper because Alice wrote several songs about Manson in the early 70's. Copper was not selected by chance for this song. And now you know!


The Manson girls? ..anyway, I really like the lyrics:

Like a mouse inside a maze
Wandering round 4 daze
With a smile upon my face,
I never wanna leave this place  ;D

The video was shot in New York City because Madison Square Garden is called "The Garden." It got that name a long time ago because there used to be allot of flower shows at MSG. (The dancing flower in the pot)

The song though, in my oppinion, is about Schizo Affective Disorder and other psychotic mood disorders. Mark David Chapman had it...

http://www.nami.org/helpline/schizoaffective.htm

Just my oppinion... I could be wrong.

Paul Stenning ?

If it's you ... I think your book rocks :D

In my experience, artists haven't always been forthcoming with regards to what a song is about. Some won't even answer the question. I don't know the source of the above, but it's still my oppinion that the lyrics relate more to losing your mind rather than a drug experience. I've been there - done that with both  :hihi:

..and how does the band relate to the lyrics:

I WASN'T REALLY SCARED
LOST MY VIRGINITY THERE,
TO A GYPSY WITH BLOND HAIR


..did one of the memebers of Gn'R loose it to a gypsy with blonde hair?
..and if so, which one?

 :peace:

The Garden was written by Del James, Axl Rose and West Arkeen. It was written prior to the band recording Appetite for Destruction. This is fact. More then likely the song is about drugs, but its also about the streets of LA, and a much darker Under the Bridge type song which talks about L.A. as being a woman and Axl, Del and West holding it close to their heart. The song is also likely to have been one that Axl wrote while squatting, and its also more social commentary then anything else

As for the blonde whom one of the band members lost their virginity to, you have to remember that only axl from the band wrote the lyrics, and it was either him, West or Del who lost their virginity to her so

..from what I can gather, Slash and Adler were a hit with the chicks, even before they had do$h. I know little about Izzy, although I think it was Izzy who said that Axl wasn't really a hit with the girls (back when they were at school). So maybe Axl was the one who lost it to a gypsy with blonde hair. Obviously Axl these days with all his ca$h is a chick magnet, attracting all the wrong sorts. I guess there's just no winning  :peace:

'I Guess There's Just No Winning' - hmmm.. sounds like a good title for a song  ;D

I always assumed this song was about the perilious border between love/lust. 

..who is the gypsy with blonde hair? could she be the same girl as Rocket Queen, or someone else?  :peace:

i think its completely about drugs or sex? think about it gypsy with blond hair?, or even the part about only poor boys take a chance on the gardens song and dance.... its either about the forbidden fruit like idea or drugs.

The way I heard it Axl was hanging out with Del and West and they decided to see what they could come up with if they just took a bunch of pills and wrote down whatever came into their minds and then turned it into a song.  In other words its not really about anything specific, just whatever they thought up whilst on drugs.

Here we go, from the HTGTH page about the song: "A hallucinatory experience penned by Axl and West Arkeen, "The Garden" features a breathtakingly eerie vocal passage where Alice, in vintage Coop spoken-word style, delivers lyrics written by RIP's Del James. "

And apparently Alice Cooper was on there because when they'd done demos part of Axl's singing sounded a lot like Alice Cooper and they decided to see if he would do it, "instead of just ripping off his style".

That's interesting... now that I think about it... the lyrics fit that pretty well.  :yes: