Here Today... Gone To Hell!

just a little warning to all those involved...
I did not start this thread to provoke, to agitate or piss off anyone. I'm just trying to get some clarification.
I hope none of the mod goes trigger happy and moves this to a dead horse or some other obscure section, since this is a debute of this topic (unlike 99% of topics around).
if anyone thinks I might have misunderstood something, please feel free to participate.

here goes...
last january Axl gave that famous interview where he stated, that they have "26 songs almost done, out of 32 they are working on"...

what makes me kinda confused is,... how come, after so many years, ... they didnt manage to bring at least one song to an end.

why was it so hard to finish;
madagascar, (since 93)
blues, (since at least 2000)
CITR, (since at least '99)
TWAT, (since at least '99)
CD, (since at least '99)
IRS (since at least '99)
etc, etc, etc....

how is it possible to have a song sitting on the sheave for years and you do not finish it?!
Madagascar is an awesome example. it's been 13 years in production... and for the past 6 years it barely changed. Why is it so hard to FINISH those "FINISHING TOUCHES"...

same could be applied for others. why nothing gets finished, but just lays around on the sheave.

Music is not wine.... you dont put it in a cellar and hope it gets better all by it self.

[witty]not to be a know it all.....but they might try actually FINISHING a song before moving on to the next.[/witty]

Cor with marketing knowledge like that it makes you wander why you have not been employed by the band to promote the album! This is not meant as a direct assault at you my man, but dont you think for the love of god that the band and their background people know exactly what they are doing? Everything that happens has a reason, just be happy to be a Guns N Roses fan! it's worked for me since 1987 and I am just very happy in the knowledge that the album will out very soon and I will once again get to see the band play at various gigs! Mike

no insult taken.
I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do. I'm just trying to get some clarification, because it sounds pretty illogical to me to act that way.

the reason why they didnt employ me is because I dont do economics/marketing... I'm in Architecture... sufficient to say... I chose the wrong profession :confused:
 : ok:

yeh interesting way of looking at things,

I think Axl just layed down the vocals and instruments for a song, didnt worry about its finishing touches considering he has a plan in his head for all his songs and how he wants them to turn out, so he doesnt waste any more time on that song, and starts thinking of a new song, and whens hes run out of ideas for new songs, he goes back to the old songs and finishes them. So he doesn't waste any creativity.

Thats one possibility, even if does sound a little f@@kd up?

you're assuming you know when the songs were finished

that one woman that visited axl...i cant recall her name, anyway when she went to visit Madagascar was in its infancy stages

Almost finished can mean anything.

It needed background vocals, needed to be mixed, a guitar solo etc etc.



Also, if there's something stopping the release of the album,, you might wanna deal with that before finishing the album....

For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome-- especially one that wouldn?t jeopardize the band or the album.


/jarmo

I always like to believe that he had some mastermind plan to rule the world, and didnt doubt a thing for a long time. but after a while I started asking some questions (that people like to call the "haters"). it reminds me of the witch hunts, and the inquisition. everyone who doesnt agree with the dogmas, gets prosecuted.

one way of explaining it is the semantics...
the "26 almost done" might mean that they are not mixed.
but it's clear to say that more than just mere mixing needed to be done, since things only started being mixed last month.

that brings me to another question;
the 8 weeks thing back in december.

if they had a plan in october, to finish mixing and the 3week pressing time(all parallel with a tour), all in time for a dec. release...
that might indicate that, the current mixing process might not take to long(no more than a month), and that album might soon be finished...
on the other hand, it might mean, that the mercks "3 week lie", wasnt the only reason for album not released in 2006...

damn... you beat me to it.



I agree on that. I dont mind them perfecting the songs. but it's kinda disappointing, not to have a single song completed in 13 years.
it also might mean that the song didnt get mixed... but the latest report by del james indicates that that's not the case.


I accepted the fact that the album aint/wasnt finished. but... 1 song :'( in 13 years.... kinda discurraging. I'm glad I didnt think of it a year ago, or I would have been depressed.



damn that, law thing!
I cant argue on that. it's like a "get out of jail - free" card.  :-X

happy b-day btw.

I honesty don't think Axl was emotionally ready to really get this thing going until 2006. ?Yea, they played some prior shows and went on tour in 2002, but that doesn't mean he was truly inspired and ready to come back in a full throttle manner. ? He is a human being and regardless of what contracts say and media pundints ignorantly criticize about him, he is on his own path in life. ?Take in a broader perspective, not only has he not done anything wrong in taking so long, but he has that right. ?

I dont know... Labeling someone "emotionally unready" is the worst thing you can say to the band.
us "whiners' are called haters... but calling anyone in the band, a lunatic, mentally unstable is what I consider the words of a hater. especially when we have no insight in what's really going on.

I'm more comfortable with the "they are selfish pricks" explanation, than with a "they are emotionally unstable"... altough I dont agree on either of those.

I know they can do whatever they want. but I'm challenging... questioning how wise was to do(not do) something

The background people might know what they're doing, but that doesn't help when they have to wait for Simon Says Now.

It's up to Axl to finish it, and as we have experienced he obviously don't quite know how to do that, at least not in a reasonable time frame.

As to the question why a song can be in the making for so long; we can only guess. I'm thinking the bulk of the reason has to do with Axls psychological state of mind. He could do it if he wants to, but it seems he's waiting for the right sound/thing to happen. He's not really in control over it on a conscious level, at least not in the past. We'll see if 2007 has changed anything.

you're right..its his right to take this long to put out this album.It's his not ours.HE decides when HE's ready to put it out..and when he does we can all fuckin' rock out to it 8) :beer:


until then...people will complain as to why he is taking so long(which he can do by the way)..but I guess it'll all be over sometime this year :)(hopefully)

He could have a single song completed. But what's the point in releasing individual tracks when everybody is waiting for the album? OMG was released, but it was still a demo, in Axl's words, and I'm sure it would be way better now.

And who said Madagascar is from 1993? As far as I know, that woman who was at Axl's Halloween party said he had just finished writing the song back in 2000, I guess..

I hope that's not the case with Axl.
because, what you did is describe the way I function. it's not pleasant.
most of my projects start with an inspiration... but that's where it stops, and goes nowhere for months... at least till 2 weeks before the deadline when I go into an overdrive.
I constantly keep changing thins, questioning solutions, loosing my mind over some details, etc, etc...

in the end I'm not pleased with it... making me anxious...
and then I start it all over again.

anyways... to get back to the topic...
that was one of the reasons why I started this thread.... wanted to find out some stuff about me in the process.


Axl said it at some show last year I think...
and I think the halloween was in 1990s not 00... but doesnt matter.

Ugh, I swear people who believe that "Everything happens for a reason" and  "Axl knows what he is doing" and "Dont worry theres a plan," are insane.  This wasnt planned, there isnt a well thought out reason for this, and Axl might know what hes doing on stage and singing wise, but the guy didnt even graduate high school.  He's not some well calculated business man whose been calculating market fluctuations, demographics, and record contracts.  Hes a musician who has, for certain reasons that arent his fault and for reasons that are, taken 15+ years to record 1 album, cancelled concerts, hurt his career and let down fans.  He hasnt done anything wrong.  Im not saying there are lack of morals in his decisions or that he doesnt have every right to do what hes doing, but seriously theres no plan, this clearly isnt planned, Axl's not god, hes a musician.  Hes an egotistical, habitually late, highly sensitive, musician.  He's got flaws.  Who knows why they cant put the finishing touches on this thing.  Who knows why he needed BBF and Frank on the album and had to cancel shows in Cali to do this?  I have no doubt that the CD will be great, but the fact is the better the CD is, the more it will hurt...Everytime I heart CITR, Better, The Blues, I dont think "I cant wait for Chinese Democracy," I think "wow imagine what could have been."

Well, when it's been over a decade there's not many feasible explanations left.

The only other options I can think of are label interference (highly improbable) and honest perfection (possible, Tom Scholz is in that category).

The way I see it is that the album may have been finished (other than mastering) on a number of occasions - maybe even as far back as '99. ?As time moves on and band members come and go and the musical landscape changes, those songs may not have been representative of the band at their best - and the more time that passes, the more they want, and possibly need, to show the band at their best.

The 2002 tour may have highlighted some things that got good or bad responses from the audience (i.e Silkworms) and that also gave reasonable cause to make some changes.

Band line-ups would also have a major effect. ?Regardless of what people think of Bucket's talent (I am someone who thinks he is great) the band as a unit are obviously playing great together and geling like never before. ?Axl's vocals would undoubtedly become stronger after all the touring. ?So the band as it stood towards the end of the year in 2006 (and currently) is at it's best. ?I would personally want to ensure the album demostrates that - and if that meant re-recording/remixing parts of songs or entire songs, then so be it. ?When a band feels good about things and is happy etc, it will come across in the recordings - it's subtle, but it makes a difference.

I suppose the problem people have is where the line in the sand needs to be drawn..... where someone says "okay, this album is now a good reflection of GNR right now. ?Let's stop tinkering, put it out, and move on to the next one". ?Whether it is partly self-induced or not, that kind of decision is harder and harder to make, as time goes on and the press are on your back, the fans expect, and you know it could be a make or break decision.

Whatever happens, I think we know that the album will deliver these songs in their greatest possible light. ?Then it is up to the masses to decide. ?It will be criticised beyond all other albums purely because of the media-driven circus surrounding it. ?But Axl and the band will know they have given it their all.

I believe it is coming. ?I don't care when it comes out. ?I know it will be good.

Keep in mind that there have been numerous reports of very long periods of inactivity which would explain alot.

Hum, I may have missed this. Any idea on what show was this?

Axl recorded some parts too. They didn't cancel those dates to do this. In fact, BBF said he had done his parts in the gap between European and USA tours.

no idea. I found out the same way you did.
someone corrected me:)

ahh, i think it would be the other way around. 

You would want to finish the album before you start dealing with something that may stop it from being released. 

They should at least confirm the tour dates on their site, this lack of neews is one of the dumbest things they have done. They finnished a great tour, the press was very positive. 2007 could start with GNR all over the place, but no, they decided to stay quiet, some updates (that I prefer call excuses) and that's all.

I wouldn't be surprised if all this turns into a new 2003-2005 period.

A new greatests hits tour before releasing the album is another dumb decision. Axl can do whatever he wants, he's a millionaire, but he SHOULDN'T do this, we don't deserve it.

You don't deserve it?

Oh grow up.

Axl and Guns N' Roses don't owe you anything.

Adding to the fact that I didn't realise you were such an expert on what's going on in GN'R and the music industry in general.

Thanks for your well informed opinion.

no disrespect intended, but your premise is that no songs were finished til now. we simply dont no that thts true.

Wow!  You have a time-machine?  You know that this is going to be "another greatest hits tour"?  Let's wait untill they get a couple of shows under their belts and see what the setlists are before we make this blanket statement, OK?

"Madagascar since 1993"? WTF?
Source?

I don't think there's a source since it's a bunch of speculation.


There might be lots of finished tracks, but none were finished the way they wanted them to be.

You know, you can record a song, and it could seem finished to you and me, but the artist might think it's not. So you put it aside and come back to it later to finish it.


For example, take the Don't Cry demo found on the Don't Cry single. It sounds great, but it's just a demo version. It's not finished......




/jarmo

It seems GNR have started mxing some of the songs a few years ago.? Stinson said in 2003 the album is being mixed "as we speak".? He also stated about a year or two later that he heard some finished "mixed" versions of some of the songs before he went on tour with VGH.? Didn't Axl say something last year that they have completed around 26 of 32 tracks?? Maybe they only have to mix a few songs...or they are starting from scratch again because Axl didn't like the results from the original mixing of these tracks?? Who the fuck knows.? At least we know recording is done on all of CD tracks.

they were working on 32 songs...26 were nearly complete 13 were gonna be on the album

false
madagascar dates from 1999-2000

http://axl_rose_shrine.tripod.com/trip1.html/index.html

whenever this happened i think that the woman who took the pics said axl played madagascar for her right when he started writing it..not sure the time frame though :-\

Good God! and what a liberty and all that kinda stuff! just how did this lady get such access to our great leaders home?

Axl invited her.

You're assuming that in those 13 years they had being recording the final version.

It is likely that they had finished numerous demos of each of the songs to test had out different versions but had only lately begun recording the final versions at that point. One you begin recording finalised versions, you don't necessarily do one song after another but you would work on them simultaneously, so Brain might record the drums for a few songs, then Stinson can do his bass parts, etc. Or maybe Axl's voice wasn't in proper order when they were beginning to record the finalised versions so he was practising to get it back to its best before laying down the vocals. So maybe 26 of the songs contained finished instrumentals with no vocals yet, maybe some had lead vocals but he hadn't started backing vocals from the other members yet, and then the other 6 which weren't nearly finished, neither the solos nor the vocals had been recorded yet. Perhaps.

I agree. GNR doesnt owe us anything.

my premise was based on Axl's statement in jan 06... and all my toughts were based on songs not being finished in jan 06.


I heard it from someone on this forum. I guess it's bullshit. Sorry.



Madagascar thing was an honest mistake... not me trying to fuck with people. what would I possibly gain by tricking people into believing it was written in '93.
other things were not based on speculation, but on Axl's jan. statement. other dates are correct I assume.



that's not the issue.
I dont mind songs being written for years... some of the best GNR songs came from years of hard work. but some also were a spur(spl?) of the moment kinda thing.
and what suprises me that since 93, 96, 99, or even 01, not one song was completed. that's all.  Back to madagascar (that's been written whenever)... not much has changed.
even with possible legal issues (about the quotes...), they could have finished it. since nothing has changed in it's live performance (I imagine/speculate...) same could be applied to the studio.



in the end... I think I came across the answer on my own.

I remembered some tommy or dizzy interview, from 01-03 period (sorry, I cant be more precise). there was mentioned that they are/were working on 70+ tracks. and that they have some 48 tracks completed.
an explanation might be that the songs were done, but eventually started being re-recorded, re worked....
then again I could be wrong,... but it's a good assumption.

I guess this might be  a start of another thread:)) "What happened to the 70+ songs worked in the past" - "are we ever gonna hear them?"

No, you mean released. Not finished.

Since we really don't know what state the material has been in.



/jarmo

nope... not the release part. I think there's enough of those threads:)
I was just (over)analyzing the 06 statement.

and I guess the songs have been finished over the years.
some might have gotten scraped, some might have been re-recorded with the newest lineup(s).

but even if they got re-recorded, I'm a little taken back that not one was (re)finished back then.


http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1529

"This is not meant as a direct assault at you my man, but dont you think for the love of god that the band and their background people know exactly what they are doing?"

What, in the last 10 years, has led you to believe that this band has a master plan?

Surely they DON'T. If they do, then why so many wrong hints and infos on the CD release date? I know they've set only ONE date with month/day/year on it but, before that, there's a huge collection of those well-know-in-the-fan-forums official "It's this year!" interviews. Not to mention the 2002 tour plans... ?:confused:

sorry dude. I wasnt trying to lash out on you.
I was talking to the entire forum.
 
that has gone long enough.

those are the common myths on the forum:

1)Axl is a wackjob
2)All songs Axl writes have something to do with Stephanie.


Axl's not a 16 year old teen. He has probably had some other love in his life other then erin and steph... especially in the past 15 years.
what do you guys think? he's been in a celibate since '93?!


I'd like to believe that the reason for CD taking so long is that he had some fine woman next to him, and that he just didnt give a fuck about anything/anybody else :beer: :hihi:

if so, he'd get bigger in my eyes...
and all the canceled shows would be forgiven. : ok:

Gross.

you pervert. I was talking about respect! :rant:

Ok I'll say it again. You're assuming that Axl had spent all that time recording the album. More likely he was recording demos. It's possible they completed 50 songs in this time and maybe 4 or 5 versions of each. But they would have being demos, hence why Axl said no songs were completed yet.

However, the band may have begun recording final versions of all those songs a short time before that interview, hence why he said none were finished yet.

Why is it VR, Slash's Snakepit, Izzy's album donot suffer from huge delays because of legal issues.
Why should Gn'R have so many legal issues standing in their way?

I can understand Madagascar having to go through some clearence with regards to the quote's taken from various sources.

I believe all of this crap is related with the 'GUNS N' ROSES' name, not forgetting other members' rights over the songs that were to be played on new GNR tours.

So when the new Gn'R perform and old Gn'R song, do the old Gn'R make any ca$h? - and even if they do, that should not delay an album, as the album is a separate issue. I guess there could be issues with musicians who have had input into CD only to leave the band at a later date.

Sure. That's also right. I even remember how Axl mentioned that on some interview or one of his letters, I guess. Chinese Democracy had so many different musicians' contributions, that its autoral rights turned into a giant puzzle, which is surely a pain in the ass to solve.

Can't wait for the 1st leak of the album cover  : ok:

So when did madagascar first come around then?

there's a lot of reasons....

1st there's the obvious band name problem...
2nd there's the contract issues. by contract Axl had to deliver the album in 98-99... but failed to.
who knows how many deadlines with the label he has missed, and had to deal with legal issues
3rd the "soundtrack" lawsuit when Slash and Duff sued Axl because he ruined several soundtrack proposals including Black Hawk Down
4th the Greatest Hits lawsuit...
5th problems with newly left members such as buckethead
6th problems with ex employes, such as managers
7th Axl getting sued because of an andy warholl of jonh lennon...
8th the car dealer law problems:)
9th the Clear Channel 2002 tour issues
10th Posibely the AFD 2000. it was planned to be released but someone put a plug on it
11th the transfer to sanctuary also required some management, legal things

12 most recently he was sued for biting the security guard on the 2006 tour:)
13 there's also the airport incident in 98?
14 there's the OMG being forcefully released by the label (possible conflict)
15th there's also the time when he got sued by slash and duff because they mistakenly didnt get the money for their royalties
16th...

there's some others, but I cant remember all of them.
sufficient to say, that at least some of these made havoc in the GNR camp.

13, 14 are 100% cleared up!  : ok:

Thanks for the review. It makes one  think: Good God. What kind of band  and band leader  have I gotten myself into? Talk about LA soap operas. And it mainly seems to happen to Axl Rose. Wonder why that is.

Madagascar 93'?  Where did you get this info?  I thought he started working on it between 98-2000?

Because a song isn't a jigsaw, you don't just fit all the pieces together and then call it a day. It's a subjective thing, you could take a "finished" song and "I'd like it more if. . . ," and any change you make would prompt more changes, different ideas, new perspectives.

Look at it this way; Any single note in a song could be any one of twelve half-tones, multiplied by whatever number of octaves are available to you. Multiply that by whatever number of instruments you could use. Depending on how open you are to exploring those possibilities, or how much of a perfectionist you may be, toying with one idea could take as much time as you're willing to spend on it. Multiply that by any number of ideas and, well, you get the picture.  No matter how many restrictions you place on yourself, the possibilities are still pretty vast.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that it has taken so long to write and record this album due to scheduling conflicts, time management or "waiting for the muse to arrive." If deadlines were their only concern I'm sure that GNR or any other band could put together an album in a week. The question is whether they want to be remembered for never missing a deadline or for making great music.

Don't take this the wrong way too much but. Even IF the album was finished.(hopefully it is and it's in it's final stages)... The band still had to relearn EVERYTHING, old songs, new songs.. not all the band members have been members since all of the songs' conception. They have to master(by master i mean they have to freaken learn everything perfectly), then when they go on the road, they have to start fresh from everything, given everyone from the old days is gone (not just band members!), sound techs etc... all the stuff needed to set up a show and keep the guitars in tune, pyrotechnics etc.. they have to plan all that crap out again.  It's not like the band was tiny and playing shows and they have techs and they just add in people as they go..  this is a band that is a bunch of professional musicians that go from recording to planning a live show and they have to rehearse and know everything. And the recordings have taken forever because, for example, when Mr.Finck had left back in '99 to go back to NIN, Axl decided to scrap his guitar parts....  then buckethead came in and brought a different palette with more colors to paint the record with.  Then he left.. and well you can figure it out.   Then after all this axl has had lawsuits and shit to deal with through trying to put a record together... I mean hopefully, if his mentality is to get all his other stuff taken care of, he can then just concentrate on music then it will rock.. but no one knows.. only him. So that's my 2 cents on why the album/songs have been "worked on and not finished" or "shelved" as you said, for soooOoO long.

Be careful what you say you may forgive. Ask the fans in Philly or vancouver that same question and see if they would forgive h im for not showing up because of his 'love'(some woman that's probably not worth it) ... and his woman woul be extremely shallow or an ultra bitch to make axl fuck over thousands of fans...  I'm sure you would forgive him if you were in either of those 2 cities when he stood them up..?

and for the record (no not cd, just the record, u know?), A lot of songs have been in the works for a LOOOONG time, but were scrapped because slash, duff etc.. matt left/fired..   So he had to probably start fresh, and get new musicians... etc.. and more and more musicians and therefore what would have taken a lot less time with agroup of musicians that were used to each other, is delayed even more with a bunch of new  musicians that have to do a whole new process with other musicians that haven't played axl's style of song writing.. etc.. man, you should be able to figure it out instead of yet another *speculation threat* ..  Just use your head a bit more.   Do research, the answers to your questions are there if you piece it all together... just questions like where was axl in philly, or where was he in the first show ofthe tour in 02 will probably never be answered..  but most questions if you research you can find answers.

AFD 2000. Whats that about?

I head read that the new line could perform some of the tracks from AFD, but I never knew there was going to be a re-release of the album.

Kurt loder interview:  They rerecorded it.  But I don't think they intended on rereleasing it.

2001 shows got canceled 2 times. I ended up seeing them only in 2006!


why would they record it if they dont intend on finishing it. it's like throwing money away.

I would love to hear the AFD 2000 recordings.  :drool:

Big Dady scom is partly re-recorded GNR.

I remember the Tommy Stinson interviews. He said that only a few things needed to be done (artwork and booklet, etc)... that was in 2005. We're now in 2007 and the same things are being said. This makes me wonder if A) Chinese Democracy EVEN EXISTS or has the intent of being released and B) if Axl just throws out this new news as a way to keep people interested in GNR and going to the shows to milk the GNR name for all it's worth.

No. The demos we all heard are just fakes made by the same people who wrote My Favourite Pillow. ::)

That hasn't been overlooked, nor does it make me wonder.

Yep, cause that's exactly what I meant! I mean, he's written a few songs to keep us thinking that he's still working, but in reality, that's all there is.

You're hilarious.

Its not like Axl has been working 13 years straight.

Recording a bunch of stuff isn't quite wasting too much money.. ask all the bands that have recorded a whole bunch of crap and never released it to see if they think it was a waste of money.   And I was one who only got to see them in 06 too..   but canceling a show... is one thing, not showing up when you have 20,000 fans waiting is WAY different.  Ask someone from Philly.  I'm sure if they're still fans they'd tell you how much ASS a RIOT sucks compared to a canceled show. 

the album was completely re-recorded. in the interview Axl said that they needed to reherse the songs anyway so they recorded it.
it was reported that he wanted the re-recorded WTTJ on Black hawk soundtrack...

other bands record new material... not 20 year old material. especially if you are at a studio that's 6000$ per day.

and dont think 20 000 people are fans. there's few 100s of fans. other 19000 are casual listeners, and I bet many of them would think twice before they believe GNR into anything.

I was 16 in 01... nearest venue was 1000km away..... I was quite disappointed... twice.

and when it comes to fans... it would be interesting if Jarmo pulled out the statistics of the forum...
how many people who registered the first year this forum opened, are still posting/visiting the site.

Lucky, don't be absurd, you can be a fan without going to a internet forum. Internet forums are more for nerd fans... such as you and I and most people on this board, if you go to see band at a live show and PAY to see them, then chances are you are a fan.  No?  well why would you care about a band that has been gone for 16 years?      anyway, i've wasted too much time with you.

I would say diferently.
a fan in my opinion is someone who knows a thing or two about the band. knows some history, or at least album titles, songs (except for the obvious singles) etc.
a normal person goes to the concert only to have a good time, and enjoy the hits they've heard on the radio.

hence the constant argument on the forum about why the band doesnt play more new songs. "they are casual listeners"... not kids from Iowa.

do you really believe that there are 10000s of GNR fanatics in every town? most likely no. the fans are no more than 10%, other's are regular joes that happen to like the GNR, even bought an album, but they dont find them selfs fans.
just think of the other bands you went to see. you dont consider your self a fan of all those bands... now dont you?


and the wasting time part of your post was a childish remark...  ::)

I think a lot of people wonder the same things. How can an album be "almost done" for like 8 years? Hell, there are songs that we've heard from this album that are several years old now. Maybe it's the biggest "F-U" ever to the music industry?

I've given up all hope of trying to figure out, reason with, explain or guess as to what is going on in Planet Axl

That would be Coy Clarke and the (now defunct) band, Ghost Town Road.

:)

Best. Post. Ever.

Trying to read axl is like trying to read the newspaper, in the dark, after having glaucoma drops put in your eyes.

All you're likely to accomplish is giving yourself the worlds worst migraine.

Late to the party, I know.

I can speak, a little bit, to the creative process when it comes to music.  There are plenty of artists who start a song, put it away (awaiting inspiration) and return to it later.

Now....the other thing we know is that Axl just doesn't do things the way everyone else does.  So trying to apply the rules, norms, and historical information we have on other bands/acts/songwriters to Axl is pretty much worthless.

And we either accept that, move on, and enjoy whatever product we eventually get or we obsess, speculate, commiserate, try to interpret, and turn out to be wrong 95% of the time.  Or some combination of the 2. :)

I'm not sure I'd classify that as a myth...more a matter of differing perspective.

There's no denying he's eccentric.  And there's no denying some of the decisions he's made have been odd, to say the least.  Not having walked a mile in his moccosins, I don't think the "wackjob" title is fair, either.  But I certainly recognize that Axl doesn't seem to do things the way other people do (which is fine), and that makes him unpredictable.  To some, it give the APPEARANCE that he's a "wackjob".

Unless, of course, you meant a LITERAL "wackjob" (as in, should be committed and put in a straight jacket) and then I agree.  Myth.

A few reasons:

First, to do what they did with "Big Daddy" and tried to do with "Black Hawk Down":  Only use the material recorded by the NEW band for licensing. Until the lawsuits all got resolved, that seemed to be Axl's "plan".

Second, to get the band recording, and practicing, material they KNEW they were gonna have to play on the road.

Third, to make sure the band gelled in the recording stuidio...as sort of an almost audition process, in the absence of finished CD material.  I doubt they recorded the material in a room together....it would have been tracks laid down by individual artists and then combined.  Then Axl could go about the business of combining tracks just to see if the pieces fit together to his liking.

I'm sure there are other reasons too, but those are the ones that immediately pop into my head.

If I remember correctly, Axl said on the Loder interview in '99 that the reason they re-recorded Appetite was for the guys in the band to get the material as tight as they needed in order to play it live and do it justice.

I'm serious about this. im not tryin to be a thorn in the side but no matter how much i love axl the cd will never be released, its been too long and Axl has had to many problems, remember this album started lawsuits, threats, huge rifts, and even huge amounts of publicity. Imagine this. . .

Chinese Democracy 15 years of what? Im telling you this can be even better than the illusions and destruction put together but it wont be given the credit it needs. I think it'd be called the controversy album pretty much, just because its been on hold for the past what 5-6 years? Been in the process of being made for the past 14-15? i mean would you wait for a rolling stones album that long? or would you wait for an elvis album? or another thriller?
 
Let's take michael jacksons album "Thriller" it sold infinite albums, but if michael jackson put out something better than thriller and it took 15 years to write. i dont know i just cant see fans waiting so long especially if this album has cause controversy years before it even came out. and im not talking about publicly im talking about in general.

Ill wait but I'm not "HOLDING MY BREATHE"