Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm sorry to say this, I know I'll be flamed, but maybe the HTGTH team should get rid of the VR section.

Put those topics in Ex-Gunners, where people that are willing to discuss Slash, Duff and Matt present activities can go.

Since a lot of people are willing to move on and take the band for what it is (GN'R), maybe it's time for this board to be 100% dedicated to GN'R, the one that's alive out there.

I mean, you don't have to answer this (Jarmo or the crew), but why not having a site a 100% dedicated to Guns ?

What will happen when CD's released (and it's close) ? Those eternal VR Vs GN'R things will never stop. And I mean there's tons of VR boards out there, where the fans can go and discuss. Why having one here ?

I'm just trying to understand why a section that causes so much fights is still there.

I'm not saying that talking about the ex-guys should be forbidden, not at all. But since they are in a complete different band, why having a section dedicated to that ?

Isn't this supposed to be all about GN'R ? From 1986 till nowadays ? But only about GN'R ?

I mean, I understand why there's an Ex-Gunners section, and the VR talk should be there. Plus there's plenty of people registered here that are also on www.velvetrevolverforum.com and they're not saying nice things about Axl. (basically -> Axl's a cunt, etc.).

Why give this band a plateform here ?

Jarmo, if you read this ?

I felt bad that nobody thought this was worth replying to.

Better luck next time.   : ok:



*bba*

i think i agree with NR here, and in the vr section there isn't just vr theres about loaded and neurotic outsiders too, so it's kinda like a ex-gunners section anyway, so if it's possible just merge 'em or something maybe

Sorry to say this but what a stupid post, first you say Jarmo should abolish the VR section and than you say they should be discussed in the ex-gunner section?, what's difference between discussing it there or in the VR section?....exactly there isn't and another thing what do you think abolishing the VR section will solve?...





Really? than you must visit a totally different forum than me

I like it the way it is.

What I don't like about it is that if we have a VR section, why don't we also have an Izzy Stradlin section, an Adlers AFD section, a Rockstar Supernova section, a buckethead section, etc etc. 

I agree with most of what the original poster is saying, and think all ex-gunner activities wuld be better off in one section.  it would make one stronger ex-gunners section, and it wouldn't be showing favoritism to a band whose members have been disrespectful cunts to Axl and the band.

plus i think a VR section is inviting to Slash trolls.

No problem ;)


Hmm ... Because we're on a Guns N' Roses board ?


I don't think so.


There you go.

coming from tomass74... big surprise.  ::)

I think there's a reason why his name is tomass

some of us clearly have a mixed idea what the VR section is for...but whatever i'm not tell Jarmo how to run his board...i mean it is already located in the wasnt yesterday great section..and VR is by far the biggest thing to come out of ex members...and alot people here still like Slash and Duff alot...

I dunno i can see pros and cons of both sides of the argument, but its Jarmos call....who t he fuck are we to tell him how to run the board

Ideally it would be cool to leave slash/duff/matt outta the GnR section and leave axl outta the VR section....but thats jsut wishful thinking :hihi:

^ I fully agree with what you say !

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell Jarmo how to do his work ;) I'd just like to understand why things are the way they are :P

haha my post wasnt meant to be hostile...i totally hear what you are saying..but i also agree with Grouse too :hihi:

its a complicated emotion...almost like being a GnR fan....alot of gray and virtually no black and white. :hihi: I mean VR news is no longer reported on the main site...that says alot :peace:

I think you're wrong. Moving the VR stuff under Ex-gunners would state a message, and direct pure VR-fans (like tomass) to other message boards.

One comment out of 1000's made on a board, would hardly say that's all that's being done over there...



I couldn't disagree more, imo it would just turn the ex-gunners section into another VR section since it would be dominated by VR news and you would also give the trolls one more reason to continue to troll this board because they would feel Jarmo is up to his old "nazi" tricks again...

Personally I think that things are fine the way they are because no matter how hard you'll try you'll never be able to stop the gnr/vr debates with or withouth a VR section...

that would be grand

fuck you, you dumb shit, if u don't like the vr section dont go there.

great mature insult  ::)

Dude, just because he expresses his opinion and makes a logical, and pretty valid point, doesn't man you have to be rude about it and start spurting out insults.

well G'N'R is a band and VR is band so they should both have different sections, the only reason u don't want a VR section is because u hate Slash and love Robin Finck ;) :hihi:

To me it's obvious why VR isn't merged with the other ex-gunners... it's because VR is much more successful and actually has a chance in the mainstream. Adlers Appetite doesn't  :hihi:. Even Buckethead isn't very well known.

As for why VR is even on the board in the first place... who knows. The Velvet Revolver board has a GNR section.. for old and new GNR. So.. who cares?

I don't see it as a big deal really.

whos Velvet Revolver? ???

Some band that releases albums and finishes tours.

hmmmm

nope, dont ring a bell

You know, the one with those guys who used to be in Guns. Slash and Duff. Anything clicking yet?

im just messin', course I know em :peace:

I knew you knew them, Chris. That's pretty obvious. I was just a-playing along.

How does merging the VR section with the Ex-Gunners section make the board more dedicated to GN'R?


Explain the logic!

Say you're checking out a message board, and see there are sections for My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, AFI and Death Cab for Cutie. Alright, then you go to another board, and see sections for My Chemical Romance and "Other bands". Which message board would you consider is more dedicated to My Chemical Romance? Or are they the same?

this isnt an Axl worship forum.

If u had a forum where everyone agreed one way or the other, the forum wouldnt be successful and would be very stale.


Like it or not, Slash,Duff,Izzy,Steven,Matt will always be Guns N Roses whether they are in the band or not just like Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin, Paul McCartney will always be a Beatle even though they broke up several decades ago.

VR could make 8 Cds but SLash will always be GNR so this is not a NEW GNR forum, its a GNR forum and that includes everything past,present and future.

I'm sorry?? How many of those bands have members that used to be in My Chemical Romance?

We already have the "Bad Obsession" section, we're talking about the "Ex-members section", I don't see how merging two subsections (which are in place to have more organized discussions on the board) of the "Ex-Members" part shows more dedication to GN'R.? If anything, singling out the ex-members projects is showing more support to GN'R past & present.? If I went to a Death Cab For Cutie board, I would think it would be more supportive to have a section for the Postal Service then to lump the band in with all the others.

You could start up an Adler's Appetite section and a sub-board with tour dates, but would enough people post there to make it worthwhile?? Obviously VR is attracting enough attention to make it worthwhile to seperate them from the other ex-member's projects (for the simple fact that there is more discussion about them).

Change the thread title to "Why the HTGTH board isn't 100% dedicated to NEW GN'R ?" and maybe I could see your point.

Because then we wouldn't all be one big, happy family.

Well, its not logical to make the board more dedicated to GN'R. But the other points he presents are somewhat logical. A single section for the old members.

Big, happy families are boring.

I like things the way they are now.

I disagree with those who demand ex-gunner sections, you should be happy there is even a VR section, VR got nothing to do with GN'R today. Slash and Duff are long gone from Guns N' Roses, the band has moved on with new members, so the board should be focused on those who are actually in the band. Slash and Duff have long moved on, maybe it's time for their fans to do the same thing and step into 2007.

^ Right on !

Otherwise this 'new GN'R' bullshit ain't gonna stop. It's been more than 10 years now ...

Jarmo, can you write your opinion on the subject ?

Why having a VR section ? Why isn't there a Adler's Appetite section or a Rockstar Supernova section then ?

Why not moving all those sections to the Bad Obsession one ?

There could be a huge "the Velvet Revolver thread" there, like there is for other bands.

Considering the fact that VR news no longer hit the main page of the site, why giving them such a platform on the boards ?

People always repeat here that it's time to move on and support GN'R, but I don't see how having a VR section is supporting GN'R ???

I hope it's not just a way to keep traffic, because that would be compromising :no:

Yeah, I don't think having a VR section has anything to do with supporting GN'R.
That being said, this is a wonderful Guns N' Roses forum, I would just like to see VR gone from it.
Nico is right, let VR have their own thread in Bad Obsession, just like other bands.
Removing the VR section would be a good way to get rid of all the Axl haters who only come here for VR and not Guns N' Roses. People like tomass74 who come here just for VR and to slag off Axl, why do we need them? This is a Guns N' Roses forum, it makes no sense for them to come here just to talk about a whole different band. They should go find a VR site instead.

well said bro  :peace:   

i'm not going to tell jarmo how to run the board or anything, but you and nico both make some great points there.    It'd be nice to not have that VR shit around.

What albums? I only know ''Contraband'', and judging by its quality, doesn't qualify as ''one''

Wow, way to be extremely literal... and funny!   : ok:



... says the guy who can't resist visting the VR section to trash their new band...

As it stands right now, Slash & Duff have played on every single song on every single release made by Guns N' Roses (who this website is dedicated to), and you want to discourage conversation about them? -- It doesn't make sense that this board should have no "Ex-Gunners" section... and futhermore, because VR are more popular than other ex-gunner solo projects, it doesn't make sense to not have them seperated to keep the board more organized.

^ Well, they weren't on Oh My God :hihi:

Thank goodness.  :hihi:

but they haven't been in the band for over 10 years.   i have no interest in the past and see no reason to dwell on it.   

^ Me neither.

I'm wondering why Jarmo or someone of the HTGTH crew hasn't answered yet ?

I'd like to red their opinion on the subject :beer:

Something will probably change soon.




/jarmo

Thank God! ;D

Thanks Jarmo, without the VR people around maybe things will finally be more positive around here! : ok:

'Soon' as in GN'R language ? :hihi:

Sorry, had to do it :yes:

Thankx Jarmo for your answer. I hope the change coming is not me getting banned :peace:

I guess things will be a lot different once CD is out :yes:

something, probably and soon :hihi: i'm not gonna say anything more then this...


Chinese Democracy starts now

I don't see the problem myself, there wouldn't be this messageboard in the first place without Slash and Duff. They play such a big part in GNR history I think their current and future endevours deserves it's own section. There are enough people on here interested enough to sustain a VR section, who want to talk about VR with the people they know on the board in more detail than one thread would allow. I appreciate there are VR fans that are anti Axl etc and add nothing to the GNR section except spamming rubbish but be honest it is a minority, the majority of VR fans here (like myself) are fans of the old band, new band and VR and enjoy discussing all 3, surely banning these clowns would be more beneficial than shutting down a whole section?

This won't change anything but as everyone was adding their thoughts I figured I'd add mine. Why not hold a poll or something, see what the general consensus is?

theres a million other places to talk about VR.   

There's a million other places to talk about all sorts of things. Why not get rid of The Jungle and Sports sections too, people can talk about them elsewhere so what's the need for them, why not get rid of every section except the GNR one? As much as you may hate this fact, VR will be eternally linked with GNR for obvious reasons and a lot of people are naturally fans of both bands and wish to discuss the band on a site they are already known and familiar with.

Aside from a couple of idiots who spam the GNR section who probably need banning why would a VR section bother you, I'm sure you don't visit it anyway and it's not hurt you all these years what's the problem?

now now, why not get rid of the GNR section? surely there's other places to talk about them.

I can see where both sides are coming from in this conflict. I personally have no say in the matter because I rarely visit the VR section. I don't really notice any specific people in the GNR section that do senseless bashing.

Yeah like a GNR forum right? Oh wait this is a GNR forum.......  ::)

sarcasm my dear friend, sarcasm

Nope, there he is, right there:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=44348.0#quickreply

It's the people that can't resist talking trash in the VR section that want it removed.

The band members of VR have been hitting up Axl with countless frivolous lawsuits over the years, and in addition have been slinging shit in the media as recently as last week.    Yes I'm going to talk trash on them and yes I'm going to question why we as a GNR board here to support GNR, would want to support something that has been against what this band is all about in the first place.

Axl is equally guilty of slinging shit in the media about those guys. Look no further than his bogus attempt to try and break up the band last year with his story about Slash supposedly showing up at his house after not talking to him for 10 years out of no where at 5 in the morning to tell him that all of the members of his band were frauds and spineless. No ones hands are clean in terms of trying their best to make the others miserable.

If the VR and Ex Gunners section is closed off we should just put a moratorium on talk of absolutely all things old GNR, including the 75% of the setlist they are playing every night as it is pretty clear that a full scale effort is underway to re-write history and control information flow. I don't blame the band for wanting to have that type of control as I would do the same if I were in their position, but the cold hard reality is there are alot of us here because we love both bands as half of VR is comprised of Ex- GNR members who helped write the songs we are all here because of.

Pretty sure that "Oh My God" didn't inspire the HTGTH board, and past that there is no new material that could have been responsible for creating Jarmo's site. It is only natural then there will be an attachment to all the Gunners responsible for helping get the band where it is today, and to pretend they don't exist or are just another run of the mill band is petty. Goto any Pink Floyd section and you will be sure to find some section devoted to Roger, and I am sure at all VH boards there will be some sort of Diamond Dave section.

The only concievable reason to get rid of the VR section is that Jarmo has been given some kind of directive we will never know about to eliminate any talk of them around here, as they will be direct competition for the band and GNR won't want to offer them an avenue for more free promotion to an audience (this board) likely to be in the same demographic as GNR's. I guess at the end of the day it is all about business, as outside of that there is no pressing need or rational for getting rid of the section.

Scott got his response and then took it off the VR website the next day.   Axl hasn't even mentioned those guys since then,  yet here we are a year later and Scott is still running his mouth.   and who the fuck are you to say it was bogus?   What the fuck do you know?   If you want to talk about VR, I know they have an official forum.    I dont care if you like VR, I don't.   And I see no reason why we as a GNR board should be supporting something that is as against GnR as it gets. 

In Scott's defense he was asked a silly question about Axl and Nick Lachey, so it is not like unsolicited he is out there bringing him up and talking shit about him.

You will see if we ever see the album that Axl will be asked similar things about them all the time when he does promotional work for the album. He doesn't say anything about them because he doesn't do interviews and no one has asked him. Eddie Trunk is the only interview he has really done at length, and he wouldn't have dare brought it up because at the time Axl had been hibernating forever and he didn't want to spook him to cause him to walk out. Now that the novelty of Axl being out more has worn off, people will start asking him about it, just like they always ask the other guys about Axl. Then he'll get super annoyed and bitchy about it just like they do.

and i'm not saying stop all discussion of ex-gnr members.  i'm saying no prefernece for Velvet Revolver.  They are an ex gunner project just as Buckethead's albums and Gilby Clarke's stuff is.

Unfortunately for you, you're wrong.

I'm not sure we need to attract fans who aren't interested in GN'R in 2007.

There's no talk of closing anything.



People who love VR and don't like GN'R are on the wrong fucking board if they come here.

People who love GN'R today, listened to VR and liked it/didn't like it and want to discuss them, are welcome.



/jarmo

If any of you doesn't like velevet revolver discussions, just don't browse that subforum.

If you're so fucking weak and you can't resist, use the "collapse" button: (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action-collapse;c=6;sa=collapse;#6)

The ex-gunners board will hide and your nightmares will be gone  :peace:

Yeah, I've long forgotten there was a VR section.  :hihi:

The only thing that used to bother me was to look for old gnr news @ the main site. 
GNR articles of certain period were buried in exes stuff.   :hihi:

To be honest, I dont think that a Guns N' Roses forum, with a true and big support to the current lineup, needs a Velvet Revolver section.

And I also don't dig that ''VR is the biggest parallel project'' argument, because that is simply not true. Tommy Stinson plays in Soul Asylum, a bigger band that Velvet Revolver under all points of view, and we do not have a Soul Asylum section. Snakepit itself was a better band than VR currently is, and we dont have a Snakepit sub-forum. Praxis/C2B3/Primus are three bands with former GNR members that are, without doubts, greater bands than VR. And the ''VR has 3 ex-gunners'' argument is not useful this time, because in Praxis and C2B3 we have 2 former members (or 1 member [Brain], and one former member [Buckethead])

I personally think that the musical directions of Guns N' Roses and VR are completely incompatible. And there is always some comment from Weiland or Matt that brings GNR to a VR discussion and, in my opinion, its impossible for a GNR fan ignore that and not making an agressive post or insulting Weiland.

The guys in Velvet Revolver did everything they could to stop what we are living right now with GNR. They keep talking shit about things not of their business and, everytime that we see a VR thread with lots of posts, it talks about GNR or something related to GNR.

I hope Jarmo erases that section. There are plenty of places to discuss VR, and in my opinion there is people that joins this forum without being a GNR fan. I think that's not good for the whole forum and for coexistence of users.

I know I suck writing in english, but I hope you understand my feelings.

Just my two cents  :peace:

Grave dancers union went platinum twice with runawaytrain single going gold and let your dim light shine went platinum once

Contraband went platinum twice with 2 gold singles (slither and fall to peices)

I hardly think that that is a bigger band...and tommy played fill in dates and recorded a couple tracks...hes hardly in SA ::) gimme a break

Norah Jones has several Grammys, and GNR doesnt have one. Does it converts Norah Jones in a better artist?

Tommy Stinson played last wednesday with Soul Asylum. Tommy Stinson is the current GNR bassist. Why we dont have a Soul Asylum section and we have a VR, that has absoluty nothing to do with Guns N' Roses present and in no way its a better band than SA? Is that a matter of ''number of musicians''? Well, for example, C2B3 has just one less member related to GNR than VR.

The fairest thing would be a big ''parallel projects'' section, where Soul Asylum, The Replacements, Loaded, Neurotic Outsiders, Rockstar Supernova, Nine Inch Nails, A Perfect Circle, Praxis, Primus, Snakepit, VR, etc can be discussed there. VR is just ONE of SEVERAL bands that are related to GNR in one or another way. Nothing more than that.

I'm not against discussing VR in this forum; I'm against a VR own section. I think it's not fair under any circuntances.

norah jones is a more highly decorated artist than GnR for sure...and you didnt say "better" you said "Bigger"...i just beg to differ SA is not "Bigger" than VR and once Libertad is out then i'm sure that VR will eclipse SA in terms of commercial success :peace:

and there is a soul asylum thread in the bad obsession section and any tommy/soul asylum news gets poted in the main gnr section...as is hookers and blow and any other current band members side projects....im not really sure what you are getting at with this argument :-\

To me (and many others i might add) slash and duff were jsut as integral to GnR's past success as axl...The Vr section (I believe) was intended for those GnR fans that wanted to follow both Slash'n'Duff as well as Axl in their current career...somewhere along the line since 2004 Slash ended up being the bad guy :-\

If you get rid of VR might as well get rid of the Ex Gunners section too, dontcha think.

no, they could either merge the VR section in to the ex-gunners or delete it all and start a thread about them in bad obsession or something, like "child board" in the bad obsession or something, i dunno

If they merged into Ex Gunners all the VR related threads would be posted in there and then that section would just turn into a VR section anyway.  So if the board doesn't really want VR talked highlighted with it's own section, might as well get rid of anything having to do with the old members cuz that's what it's gonna turn into.

nah, it would just be mixed up with everything like Izzy Stradlin solo albums, Adlers' mindblowing epic AFD, Gilby's projects, Buckethead's stuff, etc.   I don't see why VR should have any preference over those other guys I just mentioned.   

My god I can't believe how delussional some of you people are,  I especially like nicorourke he always starts out as "just asking a question" but when he gets support he goes all fanatical...


If the VR section ever gets removed you will only end up with more trolls on this board and trying to deny the fact the original band member had anything to do with the succes of gnr is just stupid.... ::)

why, because it makes them angry that the site is focused primarily on GNR?  They can find a fucking VR board I think.   

Where do you see anyone doing that?   Thats not the case at all.

I personally think VR should be listed as a sub-forum to Ex-Gunners. I dont think the band is worthy of its own parent forum under "Wasn't Yesterday Great"  :-\

Is there a GNR forum out there which has seperate sections for each individual member? That would be cool as I could talk about the good musicians (Izzy, Tommy, Gilby, Duff, Richard, Robin) and ignore the ones I dislike (Slash).

I like you too :-*

I'm not being fanatic at all, I want to give GN'R all my support. I love the band we have, It's my choice and It's my right.

I don't want to erase the past or re-write it, I ain't like that. I know damn well who did what, don't worry.

But ... I want to support the band we have right now !

All I'm saying is that the VR section could be merged in the Ex-gunners one, and have one single big thread about them there. Why give them a platform here, when a lot of people are screaming "I want to move on"

"Wasn't yesterday great ?" -> Yeah, It was amazing ! But It was yesterday.

HTGTH is the biggest GN'R board on the web, so in my opinion it should be an exemple and give the actual band full support, without offering VR free publicity.

You have no interest in the past? So you never listen to AFD, Lies, UYIs or Spaghetti Incident anymore?

It's amazing how some people are caught up in the politics of the situation, its not like football and you're only allowed to support one band. It's just music, why are you trying to turn into politics, something it isn't. Giving VR free publicity, WTF? It's not too political parties we're talking about here. One guy said we should have a board for a seperate band coz Brain and Buckethead were in it? It's quite obvious to anyone why Velvet Revolver are more important than all the other ex-gunners projects (with the exception of Izzy) and they are also much more active, much more to discuss. Whether or not you like their music, if you can't see their importance then you're not a true GnR fan. As VR is obviously something a lot of GnR fans would like to discuss, it makes sense to have a seperate forum. And most GnR fans think Velvet Revolver are great too and have no problem giving them free publicity. And incidentally, Velvet Revolver is part of moving on.

Bullshit. I dont need you to tell me if I am a true GNR fan. I dont like VR, I think VR has nothing to do with GNR (fortunately) and I dont need to read Weiland's adventures trashing hotel rooms or beating his wife day after day to be a ''true gnr fan''. Who the hell is Scott Weiland? What the hell is he doing in a special section of a GNR forum?

I DONT THINK that all the parallel projects like Soul Asylum, Hookers N' Blow or Primus have to have a special section like VR has. I just think that NONE of these bands should have one special section. They should all confortably coexist in a big and general ''parallel projects'' section.

I am a GNR fan, and I dont like/care about VR... do I qualify as a ''true fan''?  ???

Great post, I agree 100%. I know I'm a longtime true GN'R fan and I don't need some asshole to tell me I'm not a "true" fan just because I don't like some boring band with three quitters, one nobody and a junkie.

actually, thats 2 quitters, 1 asshole who got himself fired, a nobody, and a poor man's eddie vedder on heroin.

of course i listen to the old albums, that doesn't mean i sit here and wish for the old lineup again and give a rats ass aboout VR.

Then how did you happen to know about the trashed hotel room?  Like someone in this thread has already mentioned (and it was conviently ignored by everybody)... Collapse the fucking "Ex-Gunners" section on the main screen if you don't want to read about it, is it really that complicated?

I agree 100%. Although they have some potential, they did not use it on "Contraband".

I agree 100% again. As far as the musicians are cocerned they are doing a good job, but again, they could do much more and much better.

As long as it is a real section on this forum we should leave it there, but those from that section who keep bashing "Guns N' Roses" for not having Slash and all the quitters and fired guys should doe the same: ignore the other sections!!!

As far as I know, most of the people who post in the VR section are GN'R fans as well. There are hardly a few (if any) who come to this board only for VR. It's just some jealous GN'R fans who complain about the VR section. Imagine the uproar when Libertad comes out.  ::)

I think VR threads can just be posted in the Ex-Gunners section? : ok:? Have a few sticky threads such as an album thread, touring thread and a news thread.

I couldn't care less.

If I dont want to read about Velvet Revolver, I dont go to that section.

 :o

Problem solved.

Apparently, that concept is too difficult for some people to grasp.

Its not difficult, but it is also not fair. Why? Give me a good explanation/argument why VR needs to have a special section? What has VR got to do with GNR? Why do you think VR is MORE related to GNR than... Ted Andreadis' Zen Cruisers? Is VR better or greater than Nine Inch Nails? Not a chance.

I can perfectly avoid/ignore reading VR news/articles. But why a special section? With your point of view, let's allow a porn section here because we are all able to ignore it...

VR has got NOTHING to do with GNR. More than that, the 2 GNR quitters tried to stop GNR's career (and failed, luckily) and VR's singer has his 5 minutes of fame from time to time when he talks shit about Axl.

No more privileges to VR in my opinion. It doesnt deserves them.

This argument has been made a hundred times and you still don't get it. It's simple. VR has 3 ex GN'R members, whom unlike you and others, a significant number of members of this board happen to like. If you can't see the relevance, then you just don't want to.


Since this is the primary board that a lot of members visit and we would like to be able to discuss VR as well. Everything GN'R related in one place. I'm aware there are other VR boards, that's not the point.


Sure, if Jarmo wants and I for one would not ignore it.  ;)


Big deal. Everybody is aware of the history between the two groups. Axl has had his fair share of pot shots too. Why should you care? Keep it about the music.


The bottom line is about respecting what other members of the board want too. It's not just about what you would like.

what about respect for GnR and not for those who have been suing axl constantly and talking shit in the media?

Thats just the point. The "fight" between Axl and any VR guys is a personal dispute between them and nothing to do with us fans of both/either bands.

I think Slash and co deserve some respect because they made a significant contribution to what GNR has achieved in the past, that makes them relevant somehere on the board, and I'd say its better to have the VR section than post news of that kind in the actual current-GNR section.

or maybe in the ex-members section.

You're 100% right in everything you say in this post, they don't deserve their own section here at all. I respect Jarmo's decisions since this is his board, but in my personal opinion a VR section on a GN'R board is insulting to Guns N' Roses (not saying at all that Jarmo is insulting Guns N' Roses by having it here, simply saying that the VR section have no place on a Guns N' Roses board). Slash and Duff have done nothing whatsoever for GN'R in over ten years, and frankly I don't have an interest in either of them anymore, I'm here for Guns N' Roses, not Slash and Duff. And before some smart-ass argues that they have everything to do with Guns N' Roses, they don't. Not at present day, at all. And also, before anyone argues that "you wouldn't be here if it weren't for them!", yes I would. I appreciate what they did for the band in the past, but I don't really care about them anymore, I'm here for the new band. And it's not like you would find a GN'R section at a VR board, just like VR got no place on a Guns N' Roses board.

we are not 100% dedicated to gnr because we're not obsessed....

why dont you like my threads in the jungle  :hihi:  jus fukin around.. i no ya's lov me .. u love me for ma body :yes:

It's not personal when you spill it in the media. If Weiland & Co. wants to keep it personal, than shut your mouth when asked by a TV journalist.

This is a GN'R board, I shouldn't have to bother ignoring a VR section.

I thought we were supposed to give the band all the support we can, that's the point of this site in 2007, no ?

VR was good to keep people going through a quiet patch. I think now Slash has said there will be no more GN'R songs in the set, and GN'R are back on a world tour and most of the hype is back on GN'R - it seems sensinble to make the board GN'R dedicated and have a sticky thread or two in the Ex-Gunners section  : ok:

really one thread is all it would require.  The VR thread.

I wonder what would happen if someone started it in bad obsession :hihi:

The whiners would whine?

so u mean no mod would smite me and lock it and direct me to the VR section?

I'd probably do that, too.

as long as it stayed in the VR thread it wouldn't hurt anything.  :hihi:

someone made a GNR thread in the bad obsession section a few weeks ago  :hihi:

I really fail to see the  problem here, other than an attempt to restrict information  and discussion.

The key  is freedom of choice.

If you don't like a program on TV, don't watch it.
If you don't like an author, don't buy his books.
If you don't like a band, don't buy their music or go to their shows.
If you don't like  an artist, don't  buy his  art.
If you don't like or have an interest  in VR, don't go to that section at this site.

It  is simple.
The situation  is fine the way it is and does  not need changing. (IMO)

haha, for chrissake man......  :hihi:

That is daft logic. Why don't we go ahead and create a section here for Vanilla Ice. If you don't have an interest in VI, don't go there...

No, I'm not comparing VR to Vanilla Ice, just saying that argument makes no sense.

VR contains two extremely importent ex guns n roses members who along with axl and izzy wrote the majority of the classic songs we all know and love, so why shouldnt we be able to talk about there projects they are in now?

Now that's a whole different topic... I was talking about Krispy's "if you don't want to see it, don't look at it" ideology. What you're saying there has been discussed in this thread a million times already.

I've changed my mind, just delete the VR section, it will never be anything more than a New GN'R .vs. VR section...  VR fans will keep hyping Slash and Duff over the new GN'R and the GN'R fans will continously attack Weiland and say "I'm just stating my opinion on him from a GN'R fan's perspective, this IS a GN'R board afterall."

I say can it!

I must point out that JB isn't one to argue, since ROV has a more predominate VR section  :hihi:

thats a different board tho 

Again, with all the fuzz going on lately, and people clearly disrespecting the band's entourage and words, why is the VR section still there ?

I don't get it. I mean It's obvious that there's a 1,000 reasons why this section shouldn't exist.

Is it there just to drive trafic for the site ?

And we're back. :yes:

It's always been there for GN'R fans to discuss whatever Duff, Slash and Matt are doing in VR.

Lately it seems like a place for VR fans (and Slash fans) to hide and bash GN'R.





/jarmo

Seems like I see a lot more VR and Slash bashing around here, than anything. 

true.


Why is that if you don't agree with something that the guns camp does you get labled a basher, whiner, hater,ext.

That is just complete bull shit .some motherfuckers would buy a used rubber from the guns camp it they were selling them .

Well that's somewhat understandable since this board is not dedicated to Slash or VR.

People shouldn't come here with the illusion that we all love Scott and VR just because former GN'R members are in the band.

If you want to find a place where everybody loves VR, do a Google search.




/jarmo

that is fair enough. But at the same time why do we have to love and agree with everything from the gund camp?

That's ok, then, for VR etc to be bashed, since this is a Guns site, afterall.  But, once GnR starts getting bashed, well that's another story, then.

Truthfully I never had a real problem with anything before today. (I mean there's always going to be a fair amount of this stuff going on here or any other similar site - that's a given).  It's just the way this particular instance has been handled.     

   

You don't have to agree if you don't want to.

You don't seem to agree with anything and it makes you look like a miserable person...

Some of you only seem to agree as soon as something bad is written about the band which is kinda weird. Anything negative is labeled the truth and GN'R side is always lies to make the band look good.




Personal attacks on the band members and constant bashing of the band is not something we think belongs on a fan site.

I can't relate to the idea that in order to be a proper fan you need to make fun of the band, its members and complain about things you know won't change.




/jarmo

Sir I don't complain about everything they do.

But I will call bullshit on things that seem like bullshit.Being a fan does mean you have to blindly follow and agree with them .

A course some think you have to have your head buried up the band ass to be a fan.

Fortunately, some of us have enough logic and broad mindedness to criticize the band for their shortcomings and applaud them when they are doing something positive. Being a 'fan' does not mean you side with everything the band does.

Oh and by the way, adults don't huff and puff about something, somebody, somewhere said about their idol, especially in the media, when it's quite obviously done to generate some publicity. That behaviour is more suited to children.

I agree with that (see I can sometimes be agreeable - I'm not that miserable of a person ;)), which is why I still don't understand why you are allowing it to, basically, go on here, today.?

I don't remember agreeing with or bashing anybody in the topics I'm referring to (I don't think anyway, unless it was some drunken moment), because they are pointless topics.? ? ? ?

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There was an issue about racism in today's main topic. That's why it went on over 12 pages.

 :hihi:

See - people have to talk about what's really important, here, now, right?     

It's time.

It's Vader Time!!!!!!!!!!

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w273/timothywilcox/vader.jpg)

You can still be supportive instead of trying to put the band down all the fucking time.

Tommy was injured and instead of wishing him a speedy recovery, some of you were wishing he was dumped aside and replaced.




/jarmo

replaced for a couple of shows.

But I guess every band that does that is just wrong.

GNR themselves have done that, which is why it seemed a little odd they would cancel shows because of an injury to a band member when in the past they have just used a temporary replacement until the person can resume his spot in the band.

Wha?? For a few shows. Mostly in response to a lot of fans complaints about how much money they spent on airtickets, hotels, tickets etc. But then again, the fans don't matter anymore right?

Somebody in the band was injured and you were concerned about fans' money.

Ok.




/jarmo

No shit sherlock! Obviously it's going to cause problems if you bash GNR on a GNR fan site. I would hope you are smart enough to understand that.  ::)

Holy shit this is a guns fan site?

I thought it was a circle jerk.

Holy quackamolie, Batman! Somebody was injured? The horror! Not like he lost a kidney. He sprained his hand.

Apparently the effort and time wasted by some people to see the band means nothing to you.

Maybe you hope to be Axl's commander-in-chief one day, but these days your posts are so obtuse, they don't deserve a reply.

Money sux!

If I pay a lot of money to see Guns N' Roses, I want to see all the GNR members there.

If I dont see all of them, I would feel robbed.

If I were in the situation of a japanese fan, I'd rather prefer to wait a month or two to see the band with all its members and in its 100% of potencial.

I didn't say that.

I just pointed out that one band member in the band you claim to care about was injured but instead of wishing him a speedy recovery, you were pointing out how he should be replaced because fans (not you) were booking trips.



Maybe you hope to get your ass kicked out of here some day when you make smart ass comments like that?



Last warning, think about why you're here. I fail to see any reason for you to be here.

You have nothing to contribute to this Guns N' Roses fan site.


/jarmo

Obviously there was a time that Guns cared about fans money too, because when Gilby broke his rist they found a replacement to play shows rather than cancel/postpone them. I guess they were pretty heartless towards Gilby to not call off the whole show because of his injury. Those bastards.

They cancelled a bunch of shows too. Just like many other bands!

And who did they replace him with? A guy who had played shows on the same tour. A guy who wrote many of the songs.




On the subject: I'd like to know why exactly you are here?

I'm asking you Naupis, Genesis, Mikkamakka and Booker Floyd.

I'm really curious.






/jarmo

They are trying to convince people that ''It's So Easy'' and ''Mr Brownstone'' are Velvet Revolver songs... :hihi:

estebanf your input is invaluable!  :hihi:

I happen to like the music. If we were actually allowed to talk about the recent developments you would see that.

I am here because I am eternally optomistic that there will come a day Axl pulls his head out and realizes that he is still a kick ass musician and actually starts acting like it. I loved the 3 shows I saw last year.

You associate my disgust with the way GNR does business with me somehow hating Axl and the music. That is simply not the case. It is just frustrating knowing how awesome things could be with the band compared to how they are.

I love GNR's music, so that is why I am here. Axl right now is like the kid with a 160 IQ who chooses to work at McDonalds when he could be finding the cure to cancer. He is underachieving, and while you may enjoy that I find it sad knowing the talent he has and isn't using. So few people have his talent that to see him go the entire prime of his career (30-45) without contributing anything to the music world is a tragedy.

Axl's drug of choice right now is underachieving. I can't support that because I know what he is capable of, much the same way those who don't support VR think Slash and them are underachieving. The old saying is hate the drug, not the person. I am here because I love the music, but won't support all of this other nonsense that goes on. Since we never have anything musical to talk about, it seems as if I am always negative because most of what goes on with GNR outside of the music is BS. Let us actually talk about some music instead of Axl's shirt or something and we might be in business.