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Title: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: The Dog on March 14, 2007, 01:29:22 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lL7QnCAmcWQ

this is pretty awesome looking, i wonder if we'll ever see the day of things like this replacing tanks/armored vehicles.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: polluxlm on March 14, 2007, 01:34:45 PM
Sooner than you think.

Once the government can put something like this into effect they will have free hands in their foreign war efforts since there will be no kasket pics or crying families on television (not that there's too much of that as it is).

Iraq is only the beginning.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: The Dog on March 14, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
Sooner than you think.

Once the government can put something like this into effect they will have free hands in their foreign war efforts since there will be no kasket pics or crying families on television (not that there's too much of that as it is).

Iraq is only the beginning.

right now they're using robots for missions from everything to scouting out areas in caves, disabling bombs, survelliance (predator drones) to even combat missions.

i love FUTURE WEAPONS - great show.  my friend looks just like the host hahah.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Neemo on March 14, 2007, 04:11:52 PM
taht thing looks like it would fall apart if it went to far...def looks cool though


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: polluxlm on March 14, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
I fear the day when we invent advanced A.I.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on March 14, 2007, 05:59:09 PM
some of those they have now or are working on them but they're in the testing phase :)

it'll be a hands free war :D

hypothetical question here, if there was like a World War III do you think people would be cool about it on the board or do you think board members will turn on eachother? i hope that doesn't happen

Can't we all just get along :peace:


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: mrlee on March 14, 2007, 06:10:14 PM
terminator anyone?

we're gonna get owned sooner or later


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Sin Cut on March 14, 2007, 06:19:49 PM
no problemo


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: acdcUSSR on March 14, 2007, 06:22:20 PM
What's the point of robots fighting robots? Just nuke the mothers.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on March 14, 2007, 06:29:42 PM
terminator anyone?

we're gonna get owned sooner or later

lol when i first saw how they were gonna make these things on the discovery channel i said the same thing  :D :P

technology is getting way out there man.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: anythinggoes on March 14, 2007, 07:19:31 PM
that reminded me of a cross between Ed209 from Robocop and the mech suit from aliens



i wonder how many of our movie fears will actually come true


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Danny Top Hat on March 14, 2007, 07:32:16 PM
Life imitates art, not the other way around. ;)


Yes, it looks like them things from Terminator.  I've also seen the same things in a million anime shows so it's no suprise the Japanese made this first.  I say make these things remote control and teach them to fly, then i'll be impressed.  I'll even save up for one. : ok:


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: The Chad Cometh on March 14, 2007, 08:26:10 PM
Looks more like this thing from Robocop than anything from terminator ...

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/bourgeoisie_23/robocopEd209.jpg)  :hihi:

But it doesn't walk, it just slides it's feet ... not going be much good in any sort of terrain except a shed  :yes:

Are you guys aware that they actually made a working mech when they were shooting Matrix Revolutions?


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Axlfreek on March 14, 2007, 08:33:05 PM
It looked like it was about to fall apart.


But it was still cool nevertheless. i hope im still around when they start using mechs in warfare.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: freedom78 on March 14, 2007, 11:49:08 PM
Someday, about 200 years from now, some dude will be on CNN saying:

"The Israeli armed robots entered the Gaza Strip today, using their AI gunships to take out a Palestinian supercomputer with known ties to militant robot groups.  This incursion came after armed Palestinian robots fired rockets across the border at Israeli civilian robots.  Of course, at this point the conflict between these two robot forces has gone on for so long, that no one really knows when it began.  What can be clearly stated is that the ongoing violence between these two robot populations has very deep root causes, chief among them being that BOTH populations lay claim to the stockpiles of Pennzoil stashed beneath the Temple Mount."   


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: SLCPUNK on March 15, 2007, 12:02:57 AM
If toyota makes one, then I have something to worry about....


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Prometheus on March 15, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
 ::)

give me 1500 bucks and ill build ya one......


and you dont have to worry about something like this poping up in the next 25yrs....... individual unit cost for a weaponised version ..... what am i talking about...... if you weaponised that.... you could kill it with small arms fire...... with ease..... so to make one that looks like and preforms like that... it would way 100t....... and you could still take it out with a mine..... and steel cable.... or an rpg.........

the problem is material science is not to a point where we have a readily aviable extremely light and strong compund that could be used in its construction.


the bonus of using "unmanned" units for attack is that you can make em small and make em cheap and have the same or better fire power as a human based unit. so you get many more for teh same cost.

what you will get though is things that were being looked at for FCS equipment. where you have a smat suit of carbon muscles that you can wear over you skin to increase your own lifting capacity. Aswell you can have an exo-suit in varrying styles that allow for a human to wear a haevy armour suit and carry heavier weapons... down to a extremly light skelton that will make a human capable of jumping 15-20ft in the air or running 100m in 3-4s.....thats what is more likely to appear in the next 10-50yrs for militray combat.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Jimmy? on March 15, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
That was pretty cool though. Must've taken a while.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: polluxlm on March 15, 2007, 03:39:55 PM
what you will get though is things that were being looked at for FCS equipment. where you have a smat suit of carbon muscles that you can wear over you skin to increase your own lifting capacity. Aswell you can have an exo-suit in varrying styles that allow for a human to wear a haevy armour suit and carry heavier weapons... down to a extremly light skelton that will make a human capable of jumping 15-20ft in the air or running 100m in 3-4s.....thats what is more likely to appear in the next 10-50yrs for militray combat.

I have read about this and it's extremely fascinating. It would in effect be a 'living' suit using advanced nanotechnology. The suit would form after your body and relax your muscles so that you could run virtually forever, jump high distances and carry/lift very heavy objects. It would also be able to blend with the enviroment making you invicible, and if a bullet or projectile comes your way the suit would detect it and 'armor' itself to withstand the impact.

And it's probably closer to 10 years than 50. I've already seen demonstrations of some of these things.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: GNRreunioneventually on March 15, 2007, 06:18:22 PM
Are you guys aware that they actually made a working mech when they were shooting Matrix Revolutions?

they also made a life size/like robot in Terminator III. The T-1 if i remember right.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: 25 on March 15, 2007, 06:34:26 PM
I fear the day when we invent advanced A.I.
We should probably try to figure out what intelligence actually is before we try pumping it out on a production line.

Directed-Energy weapons will likely see the battlefield before any sort of truly advanced, self-reliant A.I. device. Which seems to eliminate the need for robo-troops. Besides which, what fun is the technology if you can't r/c it? If we're going to create  surrogate battlefield killing machines, I wanna play.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Prometheus on March 16, 2007, 12:08:35 AM
what you will get though is things that were being looked at for FCS equipment. where you have a smat suit of carbon muscles that you can wear over you skin to increase your own lifting capacity. Aswell you can have an exo-suit in varrying styles that allow for a human to wear a haevy armour suit and carry heavier weapons... down to a extremly light skelton that will make a human capable of jumping 15-20ft in the air or running 100m in 3-4s.....thats what is more likely to appear in the next 10-50yrs for militray combat.

I have read about this and it's extremely fascinating. It would in effect be a 'living' suit using advanced nanotechnology. The suit would form after your body and relax your muscles so that you could run virtually forever, jump high distances and carry/lift very heavy objects. It would also be able to blend with the enviroment making you invicible, and if a bullet or projectile comes your way the suit would detect it and 'armor' itself to withstand the impact.

And it's probably closer to 10 years than 50. I've already seen demonstrations of some of these things.

ya these are more likely to be closer to 10 then 50 yrs, however the problem is manufacturing, the nao strands still have to be grown which takes time, and to make the suits we are talking about you will require about a years worth of growth to make just one. thses soft suits will be the bomb thats for sure.

the most likely is the hard frame exo-skeleton, 90% of the required manufacturing processes are already suited for mass production and can easily be fabbed..... the other 10% is close...... but not quite there.

one of the biggest obsticles still remains making a computer small enough or redundant enough to survie battlefeid conditions and not become a liability for the soldiers that employ them.


Title: Re: The future of war - mechanized robots?
Post by: Grouse on March 16, 2007, 06:35:06 AM
I've actually seen some pretty amazing work being done on the LOPES project?at one of our dutch universities...these exoskeletons have always fascinated me...