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In my opinion is coming. but...... heres how I think it will go

Japan shows
South Africa shows
GNR then work their way to a ''huge fan base'' in South America
Chinese Democracy released
GNR then do a huge North American tour starting in Los Angeles, then go over to Europe to finish.
Break-maybe a long one lol....
next album/tour

Does this sound reasonable and likely? Does anyone disagree? Agree?

It makes sense to me.

GNR can perform in Asia, South Africa and South America without an album because this current lineup never played in these places (1 gig in 6 years in South America, no gigs in Asia since 2002, and no shows [never] in Southafrica)

But I think it should be not good to tour AGAIN in USA and Europe without the album.

If the tour/album is planned this way, the album might be out by the end of may.

Obviously, this is all cheap speculation.  :peace:

"next album/tour"

let's work on getting the one that was promised 13 years ago.

but other than that it would make sense. but at this point does it matter? i think there shouldn't be a 2007 Tour without a record to support.

I hope I'm wrong, but I really doubt the album will come out once they hit the road.

The last tour was called off because they couldn't finish the album while playing a few dates in California.  I doubt it's going to be any easier to finish the album while they're touring South America.

But maybe it will all be done by then.  Who knows?

I think the release date will be announced by the Asia shows, so they'll play Asia, Africa, and South America, album will come out, play a few more of those other countries that were mentioned (New Zealand, Thailand, Mexico) take a small break, play US/Canada, then Europe...

well the idea is that the musician side of things is done is it not, so we're just waiting on mixing! i think this summer for sure

I'll say it right now: There will be no US tour without the album. I don't think Axl would do it this time.

I agree!!

There will not be another US tour without Chinese Democracy in stores and you can quote me. : ok:

Agreed......they gotta come out with some sort of CD update that is worthy and they gotta do it soon.....I am not saying that they are losing fans......but this is VERY close to becoming a joke. I believe in this band and I want to see them succeed. I never bash Axl or the band because there is a lot involved that we are very unaware of but........It is getting to the point to where Axl would be dedicating the song " DOUBLE TALKIN' JIVE MOTHERFUCKER" to either himself or his management.

1) Hammerstein
2) Overseas
3) Back to the US
4) Release album
5) Tour Us

This was my wishlist around April of last year

I think we'll most likely get #'s  2) ......3)........and 5) this time around

Or...... they could tour this spring/summer in South Africa W/OUT THE CD.

After that's finished........ head back over to Europe this Fall and continue touring W/OUT THE CD.

Take another break for the holidays.

During the "break", announce Chinese Democracy has been mastered, handed over to the label, and will be released in early 2008 before the start of the 4th Chinese Democracy tour. ? ?:rofl:



*bba*

Almost agree. But I think they will play Europe before US...

These are markets GnR haven't played in (for the most part) for a long while. It makes sense to tour their to increase interest. It's not like it's another USA tour.

here is my theory:

album release date

play some dates in japan/brazil etc.

album & single release june/july

europe late summer

more US dates in the fall

Yeah, that sounds about right.

1) Tour in about a month round Africa etc..... will be the same old setlist!
2) Return to US to rehearse new material/prepare for album release.
3) Release the album in late June/July - do press and promo in Europe then head back to the US to do the same - possibly play a couple of club shows in London/NY and LA
4) Tour the US, then back to Europe - it doesnt look like they are even penciled in to do any of the European summer festivals in July/August, so will do the US first to make up for the shows they cancelled etc

Jonx

But the recording is done.....

I thought that was the deal from the start. Axl mentioned there were some minor things that needed to be done, and they got them done.





/jarmo

I'll see them again if the come back to the U.S. with or without the album.  The live shows are great.  I'm not one of the guys that bitch about the setlists either.  They change it up alot more than other bands.  I saw Oasis twice last year in the U.S.months apart from each other and both shows were not only identicle, but they played the songs in the exact same order for both shows.  And you know what?  Both shows rocked.  Not as much as GNR at the Target Center...but they were still good.  If you go to see a show because an albums coming out, you're odd in my opinion.


And IF the album is being mixed right now as reported, then duh...it really should'nt effect the tour.

I think the new album will be out VERY soon, before any major tours take place.  Maybe during the S.Africa and that will help the hype.  I believe that the planned tours are in support for the album and any new US and European dates will be announced towards the latter half of 2007.  It would be about time too.

First: Axl said there were minor things that needed to be done before turning in the album, not before getting it mixed.  I thought those minor things were probably mixing issues etc...

Seconds are we 100% sure theyre going on tour?  I mean have band members confirmed this BBF got probably like 2000 emails from fans, but from reading those questions, i didnt see him ever say "Im pumped for Japan on ..."  It just seems fishy to me that 30 days before the concert the website has nothing...absolutely nothing about the tour.  Maybe im wrong, but whose scheduling the tour, whose doing the travel arrangements, is there any 100% guarantee other than from promoters?

YEAH!!!! Axl wouldn't screw over his faithful fans.... ?::)

I don't see an album coming in the near future. Tour in the 'untouched' parts of the world, after that I have no idea.

How the hell do you say he's screwing his fans by going on tour?

Thats sounds pretty good to me :beer: lets just hope that that all happens within the next 10-12 months and not 10-12 years

:peace:

let's not even start on how much he has over the years. but that's what makes him AXL right? All I am saying is I will have faith again when I have CD in my hands. 'Til then.... I will continue to takeit with a grain of salt and with arms' length.

Unless Axl will be covering the cost of promoting CD himself, this tour should not be a cash grab for funding the album.

He has to make money some how. He has like 7 other band members counting on getting paid, and they draw a salary whether an album is out or not. Months and years of inactivity, yet still having to pay a band can really draw on your bank book no matter how wealthy you are. Merck himself said the tours last year to make some money to keep things going. Since he is never going to make any money of the album, he has to keep touring in order to keep the band going. Doesn't make the tour a cash grab but it is the reality he is dealing with.

I don't think GnR changes the setlist that much.  The four times ive seen them since 2000 were all pretty much the same.  But i will agree with you on something else:  ill be at at least two of the shows this tour with OR WITHOUT the album.  Hopefully with, but ill take what i can get. 

PS:  how were the Oasis shows?  id like to catch them next time  around.

Well, they seem to add and subtract songs here and there.  Not huge changes, but a song here and there.  When I saw them at the Target Center in December, I was treated to Down On The Farm (my favorite GNR cover) and Rocket Queen...they were'nt done every night.

And Oasis live is an absolute bang.  I highly recommend going to see them if you get a chance. 

Seeing this band is a REAL treat, especially if its a small intimate setting.  I will see them regardless, but like I've said before Axl needs to open up and TALK to the fans like he used too!  He barely speaks at most of the shows...but a full tour in the U.S. will be in support of the new album.  No more U.S. dates, unless they are "warm-ups".

THEN WHY NO DATE YET?

Mixing. Album is being mixed. Can't you read Axl's letter or use common sense to know that?

Common sense? Common sense would tell you to doubt an update that say things "SEEM" to be moving along.  Or a statement from a non band member.  Or the real possibility that Axl could at any moment decide to redo an entire song.  None of us, except maybe Jarmo or Mysteron know anything, maybe a release date will come out next week or maybe the album wont come out until Axl's dead, who the hell knows.  Common sense would have told you that the album wouldnt take 15.5 years.  If you use common sense youd realize that Axl is unpredictable, habitually late and completely unmotivated to hurry this thing out before he deems it ready.  Seriously I think I would be more shocked if a 1 seed lost tomorrow in March madness than if this album never came out.

i think we willhave a release date and announcement ofthe tor inthe next 2 weeks. then they will tour in april, release a single, tour in may, the album released in june, and ten they dominate the music world

It sure seems like they should, but I'm not holding my breath. How wonderful would it be though...........

It might be as wonderful as seeing the band that you have believed in your whole life back where they belong......

It wouto also be "super funky techno beats" to see all of the "cool kids" that have laughed me for being a die-hard gnr fan
buying this album just to fit in.

I think they'll play Europe before coming back to the US. Their ex-manager said they'd see us again next summer at the last Wembley gig last year (though axl did say 'see you next summer' in 02 when they played the docklands, and look what happened the following year - nothing!)

I'm hoping for them to play Reading/Leeds at the end of August (the lineup is announced this coming Monday. RHCP and Smashing Pumpkins look pretty likely for 2 of the headliners but no news on the third...)