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I as a fan was just thinking, to me GNR has alot more drive,intensity,and more enrgy and heart in the lyrics and guitars than alot of Mettalica or Hatebreed songs. Some GNR songs just get me pumped and I feel like moving and bouncing around. I noticed at The Palace of Auburn Hills Michigan on Nov. 25th 2006 The finale of Paradise City had a moshpit on the main floor. But there was a few other songs just as driving if not more and people just stood there, personally I was running bouncing and moving to a few,so my Question is if Nirvana and Mettallica have moshpits why not GNR? I think Axls lyrics touch some nerves and GNR rock alot harder than Nirvana. I noticed back in 1988-At the Ritz and Donnington fans felt the energy naturally and everyone was surfing and bouncing and some moshpits. I was just wondering if it would be a good idea to let everyone express thier love and energy for a kick ass band by bouncing around a little more?

NO

No. It hurts.  >:(

Moshpits are lame.

No!!!
Moshpits are fine for small punk-shows.
At a GN'R-show i?d like to enjoy the show.

If by moshpit you mean people having a good ol' jump around, then of course!
But if you mean when a big circle opens up and people running at each other then maybe.

GNR is the kind of gig where i wanna stand there and take in the music, maybe jump around a bit and sing n stuff.  Its not the kinda gig i wanna go nuts at

i dont mind people pitting at the show, but i wont be doing it

thats why i got on the barrier for the Birmingham show, i could just enjoy the band; and get some photos

Myself I love to ''SING''along and soak it in and dance but also mix it up like at the end of Paradise City just seems to be the perfect feel for everyone to go nuts and moshpit a little Axl gets pretty wild and has in the past jumped in the crowd and got crazy and had fun on that song Ritz-1988 plus more. I love to sing and soak in the emotion of Sweet Child, Blues Maddy and etc' but Jungle,It's so easy and etc has that bouncing or moshpit feel and I don't see no problem with everyone paying attention to'' Axl my favorite'' and the band because Axl is more entertaining than being in a moshpit just listening to his incredible range and voices and energy but  a few songs a night are cool for a pit or two and Axl is the kind of singer if the energy is right he will jump down and join. Maybe then if one of us is lucky he may allow a fan to sing a sentence or two. I* was just saying GNR has that kind of feel and energy to me I love to enjoy the spectacular and phenomenon of most the show but a little rowdyness isnt bad. Alot safer to mosh than a classic scary GNR riot. Now that is intense from what I heard. That woulnt be fun because I like hearing GNR play for 2-3 hours full they have so much good Live music to offer.

There was a pretty big surge and mosh pit at Wembley last summer, which was pretty cool - my view is as its a rock concert jumping around and having fun is all part and parcel of the event...  and I think the band would be concerned if they look out and see rows of faces just standing there staring back at them, not getting involved at all...  (in fact just like the Japanese crowd in the Tokyo 91 videos...)

With a mosh pit i presume you mean the circle with people running at each other and bouncin off each other, i personaly dont see the fun in it, all it does is piss off people tryin to watch and enjoy the show, i aint go a problem with jumping dancing singing or crowd surfing but moshers just seem to be obnoxious people who dont give a fuck for the welfare of others around them     

I don't think so.  At a GNR concert floor seats are the most expensive, there fore by paying a high price for a ticket, I'd want to enjoy the show with out having people running at me or hitting me, which happens anyway in a crowded standing area accidently.  I was at the Hammerstein show on May 15th, and alot of people in the crowd were getting thrown out of the place.  I'm like way would you spend 80 bucks and be thrown out during BFMV ?

That totally depends on the type of band that's performing. If you're going to see Sigur R?s and people start a moshpit, then yeah, I'd say they fit your description. But if someone at a Fear Factory gig starts whining about the moshpit, he/she's just an idiot. The moshpits (at least over here, I haven't been to many gigs outside Finland) always form in the same place, maybe 10 meters from the center front of the stage, and if you're going to a gig where moshing is expected, you should perhaps try to avoid that area.

As for GNR, no, I don't think moshing fits the music.

If your not watching the band, take it to the back.

No!!! First of all I am too old for moshpits and second  I actually want to see, hear and enjoy the band without worrying that some moron might run me over! Anyone who has ever been caught in a moshpit knows how hard it is to leave it! I also have the impression that moshpits got way harder over the years: Like 10 years ago everyone would help a person who fell on the ground, these days I see fat fucks jumping on tiny girls laying on the ground....I have been in a giant moshpit a couple of years ago during a rage against the machine show and I thought I would die, because there was no way out and it went on for all the show! And these days it is even more agressive.

Moshpits are for concerts that do not really request a lot of attention, like punk rock and all this new hardcore shit. GnR music has become quite complex (with 3 guitars and 2 synths..), so if you want to actually listen to the concert you can`t be in a moshpit.

Jumping up and down, dancing and singing along is fine, crowdsurfing also (when it is limited) since it is a rock concert, but a moshpit is really unfair for everyone who gets caught in there and who actually just wants to enjoy the show! People can loose their agressions somewhere else!

No!! Mosh pits are the gayest thing ever created, although I do like standing at the edge and punching those morons when they come near me.

The minute there are no moshpits at a GNR show (of which there are plenty at the moment), it will be time for GNR to pack up and go home.

If you are older, or want to just watch the show, you get seating further back.

GNR has some of the most danceable/mosheable songs on hard rock - to have no moshing at a GNR gig would be a huge travesty.

@#$%Funker

No, I think moshing is dumb.

I don't know about moshpits but at least I went totally nuts when the opening riffs of WTTJ kicked in. That ecstasy lasted until the end of PC and that's it. Then again I was in the front row in GA..


And I think you should enjoy the music but also bounce, jump or do whatever you want.. just fuckin' enjoy it.

moshing is fine as long as the get run in to the innocent.

No, moshpits are for the mentally challenged and don't belong at a gnr show. People who mosh generally have no idea what the hell the band is playing or even who is playing, they are just there to kick the shit out of each other. They may as well put on a cd in a parking lot and go at it, it would save them a lot of money.

You were on the front barrier for a GNR show?!

That's risky man, you may end up dead.

I've been on the front barrier before at festivals and when the crowd surge forward it's pretty scary and suffocating.

I avoid it now. I like to stand well back where I can get a good view without getting some fat dude land on my head (thats happened to me a few times).

Well, I was in the first/second row throughout the July 5th show in Helsinki, basically center front. There was a lot of moshing all around me during the rockers. All I can say is, while I personally had lots of fun, I also noticed several other people nearby (particularly the ladies) were quite uncomfortable with the arms and elbows swinging back and forth.

I do agree with you on the fact that I've hardly ever seen the moshing reach the the fence here in Finland at that level. Guess GNR hyped folks up a bit.  :smoking:

i would think pits should be ok BUT people really need to use their best judgement about when and where they're ok. gnr definatly has some songs that get me charged up to wanna mosh (jungle, end of paradice city, etc) and there's obviously some songs during the show where they crowd should just chill out a bit, but if you're in the front row of a rock concert don't get too mad or suprised if people around you get a little crazy.
more importantly i think many people dont know what a mosh pit is about and there are a lot of drunk macho types that think you're supposed to go in there to get violent and run into each other head on, etc. the pit is just a way to let out the energy that the music gives you, a "real" pit at an old school punk type show basically is just a bunch of people skipping or running in a circle. sure there's gonna be some bumping and pushing but nobody should be out to hurt someone else, it's supposed to be fun.
finally i will say that pits are nowhere near as bad as crowd surfers. if a pit opens up it's not too hard to move away from it and you only really have to be a part of it if you choose so. crowd surfers, for some reason, think it's okay to kick and land on peoples heads and pretty much force people to participate. it's really not fun for the people trying to look at the stage and getting someone dropped on their head from behind.
it's a hard call really. half the people probably need to be a little more considerate and respectful of the people around them and half the people need to loosen up a bit and realize if you wanna get near the stage the crowd is gonna push and bump into you.

i seriously hate moshpits at gnr shows. i mean it`s cool during jungle and paradise city, but it`s annoying during the rest of the show, at least if you want to actually watch the show and hear the music. at one gig i went to, there were 4 idiots moshing all the time, while people around them tried to enjoy the show. i was one of those people and had to leave that area....

i just want to stand there, singing along and having fun, not having some idiots hitting me in the back :rant:

but as i said... during some songs it`s essential, like junge and paradise city. i wouldn`t call it moshing.... let?s say rocking..

Moshpits suck.

A bunch of clowns who don't give a fuck about the other people enjoying the show, they run and jump into people until someone gets carried away, a fight breaks out, and then someone gets kicked out of the show.   Then they start again.

Have a good time at the show, jump around, bang your head on the ground or whatever.  Just have some respect for your superiors (the humans that made it into the crowd) and don't piss everyone off.

 :rofl:

I'm under the impression that it's more common in the US for that to happen. I've been to and seen plenty of moshpits, and not once has a fight erupted. I think the behavior in US pits might just be more brutal, for some reason.

I hate mosh pits.

I remember at Hammersmith Apollo in June, some people started moshing when they played Metallica over the P.A. before GN'R went on.....

That's when I decided to move away from those people and enjoy the show....




/jarmo

depends on the crowd really...i'd say yeah just to be current with the rock concert scene

I thought it was odd in 02 when they didnt have one :-\

Definitely not.

I think moshpit is fun sometimes.. but at a gnr show.. well.. like some people already said during more aggressive songs like lald I like to have so much fun I can and I do mosh  ;D but I don't think that a really big pit is part of a gnr show.. however if that happens it doesn't bother me at all  :beer: as long as you don't be a fool and try to hurt someone! I hate that kind of assholes..  :rant: :love:

EDIT: and i much prefer people going crazy than just standing around like it's a fckn funeral or something  >:(

Yeah, mosh it up and when they go into The Blues or NR, everyone can wrap arms around each other and just kind of ....sway back and forth :no:

not so very long ago, i liked moshing too. but now i'm over it, it started to get too extreme and people got hurt. i'm only interested in a good music show right now and i don't have to be front row anymore. i want to enjoy the show my way. so, no more moshing please. better learn to dance to gn'r music.
i'm getting soft  :P

If people wanna mosh, thats fine by me. It's not really my cup of tea and as long as I don't get beaten up or get a broken nose or whatever, then people can mosh all they like.

No!! Frankly I don't have a problem with them at certain shows. I get why people get into it. GNr is isn't the right band for that shit!
amy

Well, it doesn't get TOO crazy at GN'R gigs, it's not like people are out to hurt each other.

Like WARose said, it's not moshing, it's more like rocking out.

define "moshpit"

if your talking circle pits where idiots just kick the shit out of each other then no.

if you're talking people jumping about in a manner which isn't going to knock someone out then go for it.

Heh yeah I was on the front row (2nd person on field) and it was fuckin' crazy but I at the same time it was like ecstasy!  :D

I have been to alot of great rock n metal concerts, and the thing IS. On concerts like Guns N Roses, there is a constant pressure in the crowd. And you have to be carefull be on your feet all the time.. In alot of Metal acts, there is moshpits, and you can decide if you want to be in it or not. Outside the Mosh and longer behind it, there is not that much pressure as in a GnR concert or some other big bands..

Yes, in pre-designated areas.

If no, then I'd be happy if security would let ya move a little bit.  About 5 rows back in Jersey, security was hassling some of us more energetic concert-goers.   :peace:

No. People have already been trampled to death at GnR concerts, and we don't need to make it worse.

People being trampled to death is not a result of moshing alone. What you're saying is when people are squashed at the front it has nothing to do with the hundreds of people pushing further and further forward from behind?

Fact is, if people wanna mosh, then let them get on with it. Anyone who doesn't like it can stay just behind or getting seating elsewhere. Just because there are those of you who don't like moshing, doesn't mean others can't do it. Last time I looked there was a fair bit of space in the arenas GNR play  : ok:

@#$%Funker

Yes! :yes: : ok:

You've gotta remember... Those guys are hired to stop people from getting seriously hurt, to avoid lawsuits and such...

But most of them are unecessary power hungry dicks

"No!! Mosh pits are the gayest thing ever created, although I do like standing at the edge and punching those morons when they come near me."

Right.... And doing that isn't gay? Jeez

@#$%Funker

If people want to mosh, let them. If you don't want to mosh, don't.

fuck no, i was in the front row at the warfield and there was non stop moshing... a bunch of drunk lardass retards messing the show up for everyone else.  i think people should just start stabbing moshers... thats one way to eliminate that shit.

That was a real fucking intelligent and positive thing to say now then, wasn't it?   :no:     :confused:

Perhaps I should just stab you right in your fucking eyeball and see how you like that shit, hey fuckhead!!!    :rant:   

i don't like people moshing at shows.
i don't like it when i have to watch my back the whole time of the show so a fucking idiot won't run into me full speed.
i don't want to move from my place just because some dudes decided they wanna start a mosh pit right next to me.
i am there to watch the band not worry i might get hurt because some idiots decided to push each other around.

i like to headbang and jump and sing at concerts but i'm not jumping on other people's backs.
and there's always a few 200 pounds idiots that run into small girls with full force and then they just walk away with a smile. i'm sick of those retarded fucks. so don't get pissed if you get into a mosh pit and you'll get a kick in the back.

nobody says you shouldn't enjoy the music but that's not enjoying it.

Like I said before, if you're going to a metal concert, it is to be expected. You should just know better. GNR is of course a bit of a grey area...


I agree that there are sometimes idiots at moshpits. But that doesn't mean everyone who attends is an idiot.

The people at the pit should try to avoid the people at the edges, though at drunken festivals etc. that often isn't the case.


We're all tough guys over the internet, aren't we?


Who the fuck are you to say? If one is in the mood, a pit works really well e.g. at a thrash metal gig. And even the artists themselves encourage the pits. Are they in fact telling their fans not to enjoy the music?

gnr is not metal in it's full meaning. sure there's some songs going towards that genre but not all of them.

i agree that not everybody in there is an idiot. if i came out like that sorry. but, at most of the shows i've been to there were only drunk fucks that were there just to start trouble or guys trying to be cool and neither of them had anything to do with the band/music that was playing

i'm not tough over the internet. and for the most part i leave the people in the mosh pit alone but when i really want to see the band playing and they're constantly jumping on me and my friends i let it slide once or twice. but if they can't understand nicely when you tell them maybe next time i would like to react to something i don't like? or i should just shut up and move away.


gnr is not trash metal. and i don't think most of the members of this board have attended trash shows??? and i'm talking about the mosh pits happening at the mainstream shows where people go to look good in front of their friends because everybody is going and it's cool to be there. when you go to a trash show you go for the music, at least that's what i observed. and the people seem more polite at those shows, and the mosh pits seem a little more organized (as much as you can say that about a mosh pit :hihi:).

^True, true... I started talking about moshpits in general, since to me it looked like everyone else was doing it too. As for moshpits specifically at GNR concerts, yeah I can understand some of the angry comments (though not the stabbing one :P).

i don't agree with the stabbing one either. i think it was meant as a joke, a far fetched one but a joke still. i hope  :confused:

Either way, whether it was intended as a joke or not, it's not a very nice joke and it's not a very intelligent joke.   :rant:

Some idiots in this world will actually take a joke like this in the literal sense and go out and actually start stabbing people at concerts.    >:(

That will fuck shit up for the rest of all of us the next time we go to a fucking concert.   :rant:

What's the matter with your head man?    :confused:

What? Security at concerts isn't lame and tight enough for you after what happened to Dimebag???    ???

Shit like this will only serve to make things worse for the common human, who just wants to go and see their favourite band in a live setting.    :'(

Smarten the fuck up and think about what you post before you post it please.   :rant:

Don't be giving anybody any stupid fucking ideas like that again.       :no:

No, Moshpits are alright at heavy metal shows, but GNR aren't heavy metal-they're rock.I agree at the end of paradise city,you could mosh to that,but i think jumping and headbanging is much better(and more fun),people don't get hurt that way. :beer:

Agree.

Honestly and I?m not saying this to make som people pissed off but wtf is the point in jumping in to other people? When I see those guys at concerts I laugh at them and think that they must be some kind of strange people and if they jump in to me I would get crazy. Whats the point of those things?

I dont really see Guns N' Roses music as music to mosh to. :no:

Headbanging yeah, but moshing no.

Moshing is stoopid, especially at a GnR concert.

I even thought it was dumb back in the day......didn't look like fun to me. I'd rather enjoy the music.

never so a reason to  mosh at a show. But If that is how some kats haves  good time at one ,and as long as know body gets hurt then . then Let them at it.

course there should, whatever people wanna do.

it's rock n' roll, lets not get too p.c.

Hell No...At Hammerstein it sucked the night of the 15th.  I was rediciously rough on the floor that night...it just makes the concerts not as enjoyable for those that like the floor and have to get the floor  ;D    I mean hell I enjoyed myself anyhow but still.

i think they should fence off a section of the floor and let those who want to mosh do so in the fenced in area.   

that would be a good idea though without the fenced in part. that is a serious injury waiting to happen right there.

Now that is a great idea...JB you should send this to all the arenas all over the place :beer:

if you dont wanna mosh buy tickets for seat instead...pretty simple concept :peace:

If I want to see band upclose, I can't because some people feel the need to bash into either other and act like animals.   That's crap.   

Floor is the best way to see a band..especially a band that you love.   Well I buy floor anyhow moshers or not, just would be nice if there was an area for it.

well you gotta know someone is gonna fall on your head when your at the rail...i mean seriously...if you dont like peopel bumping you the sit in seats and get binoculars :hihi:

LOL..well I had rail at MSG :beer:  it was surprisingly cool.  A few instances but nothing crazy...making friends with the security guard is the way to go : ok:  you get bottled water and protected :beer:

but you dealt with it..and it wasnt all bad right? Mosh pits have this scary mystique but usually if you dont wanna mosh there are pockets you can find where you dont get bothered.

Besides i told you there would be a pit before you bought tickets and you didnt care...so you cant complain now cuz you loved it :P

but but but........  Yeah course I loved it and I dealt with it comes with the territory...but it just would be nice if it was contained.   mosh pits are scarey  :nervous:   I dunno about having mystique well I guess the nervousness of will you be crushed or not does add a bit to the excitement.   

well if they segregated the pit you wouldnt have got the rail...and you wouldnt have played BBF's guitar during PC :P

I would like to think it wouldn't be infront of the entire length of the stage, that wouldn't be fair.  I say off to the side  :peace:

general admission is general admission

there is either seats or floor...cant have both, there is always gonna be a few assholes that push and try to crowd surf or whatever :peace: and a G/A crowd is much more exciting for the live footage for music vids ;)

It'd be NICE...I know it is what it is but people throwing their fists in the air and jumping up and down, singing and bopping isn't as exciting for the vids ???

Moshpits are for Goths who love bands like Bullet For My Valentine or? Korn but not G'N'R, when l was at the Glasgow show some guy was jumping up and down and shoving people, he must have been stoned or pissed out his nut but a well packed punch on the back of his head from me sure calmed him down :yes: :hihi: , he must of thought that he was going to see some shitty Goth Band :hihi:

when l was at the Glasgow show some guy was jumping up and down and shoving people, he must have been stoned or pissed out his nut but a well packed punch on the back of his head from me sure calmed him down

 :rofl:

GNR isn't moshing music....it's not Slipknot or Pantera...

Speaking for myself only here, it sucked that I had a great spot on the floor at the Hammerstein, but couldn't focus on the show like I wanted to due to the borderline-violent mosh pit the broke out beside me.  No thanks.

do what ever you wanna do to the music, just respect others around you. that's all. mosh pits are fun, it energizes everything.

i really wouldn't be too proud about pulling such a violent meat head move. goths??? you really have no clue  ::)

apparently, after reading this thread, i guess most gn'r fans cant really handle being near a pit, too bad. I would point out again that the type of pits most people seem to be describing are not what i would call a "real" pit, but more like a bunch of drunks just looking to cause trouble which i wouldn't really want to be around either.

no doubt :rofl: while i admit real pits are too much for me...they still add a dangerous element to seeing a live show....

I saw pantera twice from the floor...no wait i survived 2 pantera concerts and i'd do it all over again if i could ;) seeing a concert any other way is just not the same :no:

Paradise City seems like the only GNR song you could really "mosh" to. And I did. lol.

calm down, killer... that steel collarbone must really mess with you head, huh?

look at ya, "i say fuckhead cuz axl does and he's teh cool"  :rofl:

Hell yeah!

Have you ever seen the UYI live videos. That Japanese crowd looks as though they are bored out of their minds.

I was only trying to make a point dude. It's never a good idea to encourage that kind of shit because, believe it or not, there's some really fucked-up people in this world, that would take your suggestion, in the most literal sense. That ends up ruining it for the rest of us who are just there to have a good time and aren't really fucked-up.

 :beer:

And no, the steel collarbone hasn't messed with my head.   :hihi:  Yet, that is.   :rofl:   :peace:

lol, no i don't encourage stabbing anyone by no means.... i waited in line for 5 or 6 hours before the doors opened to get a spot at the front of the stage, but by the time sebastian played youth gone wild everyone was all liquored up and things were starting to get rough.  then when gnr took the stage all the larger drunk people were pushing and shoving the smaller people (including girls) like they came to fight instead witness one of the best live performances ever go down in history.  me being 6' and 140 i had no choice but to give up my spot or literally get my skinny ass crushed.  it was a great show, no doubt the best concert i've ever seen but it would've been so much cooler if people weren't trying to hurt others

No doubt. Hurting people isn't cool at all.   :no:   :'(

Moshing is just so....trailer park.

Let me see........... Guns N roses- Worlds most dangerous ''Bad ass''' band. As said in the music encyclopedia.
 Axl used to jump in crowds often and surf and etc. Why not get a little rowdy crowd surf and mosh some?
I don't think anyone should get in fights but nothing is wrong with unity and surfing and bouncing around with your fans slam dancing , jumping, moshing, head banging should be all good, for a awsome dirty, real, tough, dangerous rock/metal band. GNR makes in your face intense music anyone says different doesn't understand human frustrations and heart. GNR is a hype band lets get rowdy like Donnington, Ritz and etc. as long as no one is getting killed I'm sure your tough enough to go home with a huge smile from a great concert and a bruise or two of honor and enjoyment