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well, all the talk about "is the democracy worth the wait" got me thinking about something.
let's see what Trent did since '93.

The Downward Spiral
The Fragile
With Teeth
and now Year Zero

+2/3 DVD releases, and live albums, remixes,... etc, etc.


these albums are packed with great songs, almost no fillers at all...
if Trent made a best of 94-07... it would be something unbelievable.
does anyone here (still) think that no matter how great CD is, it is worth the wait?
I'd like to believe so... but logic taught me differently...

With Teeth has no filler?

Collector, Hand That Feeds, Every Day Is Exactly The Same, Only, Sunspots ,Beside You In Time, and especially  Right Where It Belongs are awesome songs!!!

I cant say about Year0, but the leaks I've heard are encouraging.

and fragile is a double album.
UYI's had more fillers than it, and they were almost filler-less.

I skip Sunspots...that was the first NIN song I specifically don't like.  Everything else is great.  Especially BYIT and RWIB.  Great way to end an album.




This thread will probably be moved/deleted soon.

NiN has also released stuff that I don't like that much.

But I agree with you that if I put all the songs of NiN that I like on one CD it would be amazing.

If Axl and co were really hard at work all those years it feels kinda disappointing that the leaks aren't anything earth shattering. I mean, I like most of the new songs.. but I don't think they are amazing.

Of everything I've heard so far, the psychedelic solo on the 20th of december sounded the most promising (the one were Axl talks about pills). It sounded refreshing.. something I still hope CD will be, but I'm still sceptical. We'll have to wait and see..

didnt Nine Inch Nails support Guns N Roses in England back in 1991, think that settles the better band question right there :hihi: although i must confess NIN were prob not at their peak at the time. Come to think about it, would Robin Finck have played with them at the time, would have made him the only future member of GNR to have supported the original lineup?

I hope not.
(thanks adz for not moving it)
sunspots and right where it belongs are 2 of my favorites.
but back on topic people.
how do GNR and NIN compare in this duel?

Trent Reznor is perhaps a musical genious, and has been called "Prince's alter ego". He essentially writes and plays everything. ?Axl may be the creative force in Guns, but the band as a whole contributes to the material. ?Don't think ?it is a fair comparison.

Well it should just be put into the right drawers... Trent has done some amazing things and yes Y0 sounds great for what I have heard up to now. Axl has not yet done some amazing things, but yes CD is worth the wait at least for me.

It is an EMO-TION-AL thing for me to listen to BETTER in my car while driving to shitty work.

And yes I still think Axl Rose was Marilyn Manson from 1994 - 2002/3  :hihi: ...

GNR did a fair share of supporting as well... to RHCP, Maiden etc etc... does that mean that they are better? I think not.
And yes, I think finck played back then.
Matt said that that after seeing NIN play that he suggested to Axl to get Finck for his new project.



well, I wouldnt do any work as well, if I was banging mrs ditta von tesse.


P.S. haha. ako ikad cujem u Zg-u da nekom svira better znat cu ko je:)

Nothing this long is worth the wait.  I was 11 when Use Illusions came out I'm 27 now.  That sucks.

The Fragile is awesome in every sense of the word.

With Teeth sucked big dick.  Trent can do much better.  Hopefully with this new release he will.

Nine inch who?

GN'R doesn't compare to anybody, that's why were here and not on some other band's board.

There's a lot of great music out there, but I don't know why you have to compare art to other art.

Either you like it or you don't.

Some art you like for a different reason than other.



/jarmo

good point!

so you are saying that altough Trent does everything alone, and Axl has had 15 musicians working for him, its not a fair comparison?
of course it's not, and yet trent manages to pull of all the thing he does ALONE.


I'm not comparing art, but "productivity".
even if they both are great/on the same level, quantitatively trent beats GNR (well maybe not BH :hihi:)
and why I started this thread is because after all this years I still have nothing to compare :no: , and am getting into a pessimistic mode.
even tough I knew march 6th was a fairy tail ever since I read about it, I was expecting/hoping for a pre-summer release, but there's no certainty about it.
especially with the the "south" tours starting in 4 weeks, and album yet unfinished/sceudled.

well said Jarmo!

i personally like both bands, but i don't want to fall into comparing them, i'm still as eager for CD as i am now for Year Zero, and i've been waiting for CD for much longer! so i guess GN'R never dies for me, it's an ongoing obsession hehe

Chinese Democracy will be worth the wait for me, because I'm not sitting around waiting for it.  Lots of great music came out in the past 11 years.  More great music will come out before CD does drop.  Plenty of ammo for my stereo.

NIN vs Gn'R

NIN have released more material, so I guess they win on that level. NIN have got better and better since day one. Their latest album with_teeth is amazing. Gn'R on the other hand peaked with AFD, then dipped with UYI, dipped further with TSI and then released a live album. Guess we'll have to wait and see what CD offers  ;)

so .... what's your point ?

Nine Inch Nails is the best band in the world ? yeah WE know. thanks.

what's next ? Slash is a genius ? Yes. WE know.

Whats there to say that hasn't already been said?

I still remember the Spin article, i think in 99, that compared Axl and Trent and talked about all that they had in common. ?They focused a lot on writer's block. ?I think its funny that come April 17, Trent will have released 3 albums (one being a double) a dvd or 2, a live album with extras, worked on soundtracks and side projects and Axl has done 2 tours that both ended early and made a song for one soundtrack. ?Trent also did all of this with changes in his supporting cast, yes he writes everything and is in charge, but he lost a lot of people who worked with him in the recording/touring process not just Robin. ?

I just think its funny how the next most reclusive rocker of this era, blows Axl away when it comes to production. ?You cant compare the music, but comparing the people just shows how crazy this whole Chinese Democracy thing has been.

A matter of opinion that UYI are weaker.  Not a fan of two cover songs, despite being good covers.  I don't even consider "MY World" a GNR song.  MW is a ruse in my view.

Yeah.

Trent just moves on and does his thing.

I like the experimental Year Zero approach as well. Songs like My Violent Heart and In This Twilight sound totally different from anything you hear on the radio..

Yes, it is not a fair comparison to compare ?a bands productivity to a "solo artist"'s productivity, especially if the solo artist is a borderline musical genious/prolific songwriter. ?Solo artists do not have to colaborate to create their art, bands usually do. ?Therefore it can take a band longer if you have several people colaborating and contributing to the music versus if one person is doing all the writing ?and has complete creative control. ?So think it is actually easier for a solo artist to be more "productive" ? ?

I wish Axl had "total control" :hihi: :peace:

jk.

I don't think anything can worth the wait for almost 15 years, Chinese democracy will be excellent but we've lost all these years, that's what i Think. All I want is Axl doesn't lose his time anymore and start to do things properly, like everyband does!!!
I'd like they didn't broke up but Axl has takin' so much time to show his music, in my opinion he should leave forever Guns n' Roses (the name) and put a new band on his own and make their own music. If he should do that, like the other gunners did, we have enjoyed some albums with his own project and people should see him with more respect.
I know many of you think that these albums (his solo albums) would be worst than what he does nowadays but I don't think so, the only diferent thing would be that the name Guns n' roses gives him a lot of succes

the next probably will be some thread comparing GN'R and VR or NIN's guitarrists. So there he can say that Slash is a genius, he's the best guitarrist ever.

2 tours? lol. 3 tours and only 1 ended early. The north american one had 4 shows canceled in the end and we know why. That's not the same thing that happened in the 2002 tour. He did some other shows as well. Hmm he's writing musics and he has 30+ musics done (or nearly done. Maybe more...). He has enough musics to release 3 albums and I'm sure these albums will sell more than all these NIN albums.  : ok:

The recent Nine Inch Nails leaks that I've heard aren't anything to write home about! I didn't think there was anything special about them and would even consider them boring. ?Guns N Roses may be a lot of things, but they're never boring! Plus Axl is by far > than Trent!

GNR ?is better, Axl is better, and am I the only one who thought "with teeth" kinda blew?? ?It only had like 2 good songs. ?GNR doesn't have any fillers, even though we haven't had an album in how many years now.

Hmm I'll say just one thing. Guns N' Roses can sell-out (is that right?) shows with 200.000 people here in Brazil. Nin can't sell-out a show with 10 or 20.000 people. I'm pretty sure.

Justin Timberlake can sell out big arena's.

 :rofl: The whole album is filler.

he can't sell-out a show here unless it's free. I'm not talking about pop-shitty-singers, I'm talking about a rock band that doesn't release an album since 93. The band still has much more popularity than NIN.  : ok:

I really love NIN, but I think they haven't made anything that lives up to The Downward Spiral.

FWIW, UY2 and AFD are still in my regular rotation after 15 years.  I sold my NIN CD's years ago.  Artistically, it's personal preference.  My kids will hear "Rocket Queen" and "Locomotive" to learn the meaning of timeless rock n roll.

like...GNR > NIN....yah

I really like Nine Inch Nails.. Downward spiral is one of my favorite cd`s.  But the hard GnR fan i am, i have to say Gnr.

NIN and GN'R are my two favorite bands.

There's just a little filler on WT--"Getting Smaller," but I like everything else. Esp "Sunspots," "Besides you in time," and  "The Line Begins to Blur."

Tool honestly crucify Nine Inch Nails in every way, shape, or form :)

TOOL are way better than NIN........................at putting you to sleep. :P

sorry, where was tool mentioned? I dont mean to seem like an ass, i just dont see the point in bringing them up

i never understood the comparisons between gnr and nin....the only similarity is that robin played for both IMO

I believe it comes form Reznor's subtle needling of GNR fans with the impending (possible)  ;) release of Chinese Democracy. 

The Fragile and With Teeth both have tons of filler - I like NIN, but these two albums are the weakest of the 4 main studio albums.

UYI has far too much aswell - A fate that I'm hoping CD will be able to avoid after all this time.

Tool SUCKS...i think they might be the worst band in the history of music...besides Nickelback

Tool sucks, NIN sucks and fucking Nickelback sucks.
What is this thread on about?  :confused:

If everyone's idea of taking part in discussion would be posting moronic "X sux and Y rox!" remarks it wouldn't even matter what this, or any other thread is on about. Every place being just as right or wrong for useless waste of space anti-discussion like that.
But hey as long as there are bouncing anime tits to be had..

"Band x vs band y"!! stuff is so goddamned subjective that I don't think it is possible to have a real discussion  about stuff like this unless everyone taking part in it is 13-16 or so. ;D
And comparing any band to GNR at GNR forum? That's like taking a break from preaching to the choir just to go out and have fun with fishes in barrel and a shotgun.