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ok, if days of thunder soundtrack was released around the time of civil war and the romanian angel appeal, meaning that steven adler plays on the knocking on heaven's door version of days of thunder????but not on the use your illusion version??? and if so can you tell the difference in the drumming........

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Steven Adler played on the version they released for the film - i suppose u could call it the first single from the album

Evidently they decided to redo it - Matt Sorum said the first track he put drums to was KOHD

The drumming is better on Matt's version i think - but the song itself is much better too, they only made subtle changes but it seems to improve the song

its like i remember its all the exact same thing minus the comments within the verses ......you know the ones i mean.......I'm looking for that days of thunder version to be able to hear the difference......this would make the only song that you could see the difference in their drumming

I've never heard the Days of Thunder version, is their anyway someone can send it to me?

It won't be put up anyway. Copyrighted material.

It has additional lyrics.

Mama put my guns to the ground

***it wasn't her fault***

I can't use them anymore

***How was i even supposed to know?***

That cold balck cloud is coming down.

***All things can be healed in time***

Feels like i'm knocking on heavens door.

those window clings are cool... Love the sticks :beer:

I like the Days of Thunder version better. I used to sing the additional lyrics when listening to the Album version. People just gave me a weird look. ;D

I like the Ritz version the best.  Adler obviously plays on that.  Like all the Ritz performances, it is more Raw, no piano, no background singers, just GNR at its best.

I was just listening to that track on the way to work this morning... The rest of the songs on the soundtrack are throwaways, but the KOHD version found here is great in my opinion.

The paino is different ( I wonder who plays it). The production is a bit muddy (bass tones are in the background and not as pronounced - is it still Mike Clink?). I almost wonder if it was a demo. The guitars are the same in this version. I think it's a great collector item. If you find the soundtrack in a delete bin at a record shop, definitely grab it.

that's what I did. $2. great deal for that track alone IMO

Sorrum played drums on BOTH versions.? It's just mixed different on UYI II.

You sure? Days of thunder came out in 1990. was Sorrum in GnR at that time?

I don't think so... Days of Thunder Soundtrack was released on June 26th while Adler left the band on July 11th and than Matt joined the band...?

My favorite performance of Knockin' doesn't belong to GN'R but Bob Dylan with Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers from concert called Hard To Handle - Bob added there the third verse:

Mama wibe these tears upon my face
I can't see trough them anymore
Get me out of here, into some other place
Feels like I'm Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Just like so many times before...

You're right Michael_Stradlin

Straight from this web sites history section

June 26th, 1990 - The band's version of Bob Dylan's "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" is released on the "Days Of Thunder" soundtrack.
July 11th, 1990 - Steven Adler is fired from the band. The band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out. When this didn't help, he was fired.
His replacement is Matt Sorum (born November 19, 1960). Matt's band before GN'R was The Cult.
 

i have both versions, the days of thunder one has more sounds.

That's correct. But don't forget the fact that they had tried other drummers before Matt even joined. So it's possible they recorded with Matt before they finally fired Steven.




/jarmo

Yeah, you're right...

On the site in Recording Sessions I've found some information bout sessions from june 1990 or early 1991 and there are Maples and Chambers plus... Jussi Tegelman - who's that? also other drummer?

so what's the final word is steven playing on it o what???

He's a Finnish guy who was in a band called Havana Black. They were managed by Alan Niven at one time and Jussi, the drummer, was apparently helping out GN'R while they were trying to sort out the situation with Steven.





http://penti.org/~hbsite/hbbioch4.htm



/jarmo

I'm tellin' you guys it's Sorum on both.  Just Google Matt Sorum Days Of Thunder, and it will confirm it right away.  It's the first song he ever recorded with GN'R.  Just because Steven wasn't "officially" out of the band yet, doesn't mean they hadn't talked/jammed/whatever in who knows how long.  Matt Sorum on all (studio) versions of KOHD, Steven Adler on "Civil War".

I heard the Days of Thunder version of KOHD on the radio yesterday.  It was AWESOME!!  It's actually very different than the UYI2 version.    I used to have the CD but it was stolen along with my new radio out of my '67... (Someday I will find the @hole responsible for that!!)

Special Thanks to Almost Famous!!   ;)

what???? days of thunder version????

I knew it was on the soundtrack, but never knew it was a different version. News to me as awell.

It's really the same except there's an extra verse and extra nonsensical mumbo-jumbo talk on the answering machine (I think Axl says something like "it wasn't his fault, it wasn't fair").

Yep - in the second verse ("Mama put my guns in the ground...") etc, Axl talks after each lyric..."It wasn't their fault - how were they even supposed to know? All things can be healed with time.." stuff like that.

And Steven Adler plays drums. Like Jarmo said though - its no big deal if you never hear it.

i don't think it was Jarmo who said that lol!

and was it ever really confirmed that it is steven playing on that track. to me the drums sound identical...

Could someone upload this version of the song?

It's Matt on drums.



From his official bio.



/jarmo

It's not very different but I actually prefer it to the UYI II version.

it' s against the rules to ask for it right? (if i wanna DL it)

I didn't know this...thanks Jarmo.

what part in the movie does this song play? i never catch it when the movie is on in local tv

This version got a lot of airplay during 1990...

I like it better than the UY version, wich i find kind of souless.

Its not alot different but its such a shock when u hear it..He actually says 2 extra lines.. :peace:

That the reason i like this song more because of that little difference just like the spoken part in Dont Cry Demo ive always prefered that version

Me too, maybe someone can drop a pm? ;]

I don't think you can hear the song in the movie. I've got it at home and searched for it but couldn't find it.

You can still find the soundtrack on eBay, it's worth buying! I really like this version. And don't forget to look for your copy of the "Nobody's Child (Romanian Angel Appeal)" album which features a different version of Civil War.

;o How does that differ? Maybe someone wants to send me this and the Days Of Thunder Kohd? :)

Yeah, I've never heard of a different Civil War version either. Is this true?

The KOHD and Civil War verison are really unfinished (Axl's word for ti) demos.  The CW is rough copy on a benefit album.  I have/had it on the tape when it came out.  Really is a cooler rougher finish to it.  They were both released before Axl started tinkering with the mix of the album.

I prefer the Days Of Thunder version of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" to the Use Your Illusion II version. Is Jarmo 100% certain Matt played drums on the Days Of Thunder version? I thought Steven was still in the band through part of 1990, and the drumming does sound a bit rougher than the polished Use Your Illusion II version.

It's almost identical ... I think the Illusions version is just a mixed and edited version isn't it ?

Oh well ...

June 26th, 1990 - The band's version of Bob Dylan's "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" is released on the "Days Of Thunder" soundtrack.

July 11th, 1990 - Steven Adler is fired from the band. The band made an agreement with Steven which said that if he didn't stop taking drugs he was out. When this didn't help, he was fired.
His replacement is Matt Sorum (born November 19, 1960). Matt's band before GN'R was The Cult.

source : here today  :hihi:

It plays in the background during one scene so it's easy to miss if you don't listen closely.  It's either the bar scene or when they're in the pits at Darlington.  Days of Thunder is my favorite movie.

That's when he was officially out.

I don't know why it would make it impossible for Matt to have worked with the band while they were still working on trying to get Steven back or working on the legal papers.

They tried working with other drummers before Matt was announced as the new drummer.



/jarmo

Can any one make out the last part after Knocking on heavens door?
Something like ?Why, Why did ????????? do it??

Thanks!

I knew about the Days of thunder KOHD version but I had no idea of another one of Civil War.

The Civil War version is identicle to the UYI II version.

nope, it's not

It's a slightly different mix.

Exactly.  There's no difference in the playing, words, (etc) but it is a better sounding mix.  The best way I can describe it is the Nobody's Child version sounds like a remaster of the UYI II version which is odd considering the Nobody's Child version appeared first.

i saw about twenty copies of the CD at Tower Records...all selling for $2 a pop.

It really does sound almost identical to the Use Your Illusion II track, IMO. Even the "wooo mmm mmm mmm" bit during the intro.

check this link

Hi everyone,

Do you remember the pre-Illusion version of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" in which there were different voices in the background? I can only find one reference on the Net to this, on a Brazilian website: http://www.mauriciomedeiros.eti.br/traducao/trad006k.htm.

What is the deal with this, and is it available anywhere? Was it from a movie soundtrack? I don't think it had the "tattered libido" answering machine message. But instead, during the second verse, someone was saying in between lines:

"How were they even supposed to know"

and

"All things can be healed in time..."

Music From The Motion Picture Soundtrack - Days Of Thunder

Track:
Knockin' On Heaven's Door

Versions:
Epic 467159: June 26, 1990

Soundtrack for the movie starring Tom Cruise. Guns N' Roses' contribution was a version of Knockin' On Heaven's Door. It's not the same version as the one on Use Your Illusion II.




/jarmo

its exactly the same except those lines are inserted in the 2nd verse like you said but i think the phone message is there too...check a cheapy bin for it....i got my copy for $3

Eh, not really, the guitar solo is different and you can hear the piano more. Drums sound different.

so differnet mix? i dunno i dont listen to it all that much...and i def dont study it side by side with the other version :peace:

I heard it for the first time today in first period.The kid next to me had it on his mp3 player and it said by ledzepplin :hihi: I got right excited when i heard the talkin...and it sounds like a different guy doin the voice message...and you can hear the keyboards now at the end part where the choir with the girls singin is.slightly different guitar and drums and theres a line with just bass n drums wehre there normally was guitar :peace:

Next person to meet Adler - ask him if he gets royalties or recorded on the song...perhaps then we we have the answer to this dead horse topic

i don't think steven gets any royalti from anything that has to do with the illusion albums... :confused:

haha, what do you think he'll say? :hihi:

"Oh yeah i wrote everything, and they all fucked me over...but i talked to axl and he wants a reunion. Its gonna be great i love those guys"

Wow, it'd be great if someone were to Point Me in the right direction to find this...

SG

http://www.amazon.com/Days-Thunder-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B000000OZO/sr=8-1/qid=1172676082/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5141183-3971651?ie=UTF8&s=music


 :hihi:

Does anyone one know if this version of KOHD is the UYI version or the DOT version?

http://cgi.ebay.com/UK-IMPORT-CD-GUNS-N-ROSES-Knockin-on-Heavens-Door_W0QQitemZ170085562247QQihZ007QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I definitely agree, the Ritz performance is the definitive version. I could do without the slower tempo and gospel singers in the background on the studio version.

if we're talkin about the performance on youtube "ritz 88" or whatever then yes..it is by far the best :peace:

I also think kohd live at the ritz1988 is the best version.....the others be it live or album don't get near it......

i prefer the UYI  version

So thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Days Of Thunder soundtrack. I'm now listening to that version of "Knockin ON Heaven's Door," which recaptures the first time I heard this cover on L.A.'s Pirate Radio 103.1.

I'm trying to figure out what's different about the mix other than the spoken part in the second verse, which for some reason gives me chills, whatever it means.
 
I don't know if it's just the MP3 transfer being different, but the picked guitar at the beginning sounds like it has less reverb or chorus on it in the DOT version. Same goes for the vocals, which sound "warmer" to me on UYI and a little raspier on DOT.

I can't tell if any of the takes are different. The drum sound certainly sounds more like Sorum's style on the final version, more thudding and loud, but maybe that's just the glossy sound that Mike Clink slathered all over UYI as a finished product.

The fact that both versions are identically 5:36 suggests that very little was changed.

The answering machine message is much higher in the mix on the Illusions version.

Considering both Knockin' On Heaven's Door and Civil War were first releases in 1990, maybe both tracks were mixed by somebody else and then "remixed" for USe Your Illusion II?

I don't think Bill Price was involved in the project in the summer of 1990 when both tracks first appeared?



/jarmo

Hey Jarmo, hate to get off topic, but this is the first time i've noticed...

Good thing you have your site's URL in your sig... I woulda never known about the place otherwise  :hihi:

Yeah, right. As if I'm gonna pay full price for a soundtrack CD to get one song...

SG

hey jarmo why'd you delete my last post?

Because you want us to share officially released material.

It's not allowed here.




/jarmo

oops sorry my bad..won't happen again :peace: