Here Today... Gone To Hell!

And for those who beleives in a reunion.... :rofl:


Can you see the original line-up ever getting back together?

There's no real easy, positive answer for all of it. There?s been a lot of negative stuff bandied around over the last ten years, but I?m way past saying anything negative. As far as the band ever getting back together, it?s so far-fetched. I think Izzy?s gone and jammed with them a couple of times, but I don?t think anyone has any interest.

I?ve obviously moved on and have a lot to do with Velvet Revolver, so that?s where my head is. Obviously it?s not an idea that I?m entertaining in any way, shape, or form at this point. I think the more time that passes, the less likely it will happen?and it was pretty unlikely five years ago.




TAKEN FROM GUITAR EDGE MAGAZINE

If Axl asked Slash to do a reunion, Slash would come back before you can say "sell out".  :confused: :-\

What makes you so sure? If it that wasn't a sarcastic post.

I just hope this serves to put those begging for a reunion to rest.

Move on, ya know?

Love Slash but love him for what he is doing now.

Love GNR for who they are now.

I love Slash, but Slash would JUMP!

Slash has been making albums and touring. More than Axl can say.

It wasn't sarcastic.

And I'm sure because Slash has been pretty much hinting it for years that he doesnt have hard feelings, blah blah blah...you know.

Also, he's willing to do that rap video thing, and that spanish soap opera music video crap, if Axl asked to do a full-fledged GNR reunion, EVERYONE would jump for the idea in a heartbeat, except maybe Duff. By the way, I knew you'd be first to respond.  ;D

What a fucked up night :rofl:

Slash hit the nail in the head: "No one has any interest at this point."

sorry Slash, but VR SUCKS!

Maybe this will finally put to rest these discussions.  It's high time people get over any notion of a reunion.  The sooner everyone copes with the fact that we won't see a reunion the better off we'll all be  :smoking:

Haha.. I was actually about to go onto another site when I saw your post. I have to disagree. Slash and Axl can make all the pillow talk they want. Working with each other again is what would make or brake it. I don't think they could. And I am sure all the money in the world has been thrown at them.

I still think it will happen eventually.

Sure, maybe they'll play together someday, but that doesn't mean they will write or record anything together.

I hope so. I think Axl should run with his project and Slash should do the same. In the future if they feel like they can work together and actually give a show worth seeing then awesome.

...except Steven.

ya but steven is desperate

he needs the cash

VR is Guns N Roses without Axl....so you are saying GNR's old material sucks?  because VR's album is VERY VERY similiar to some old GNR illusion and Appetite stuff

Aside from 2-3 songs, not really.  Contraband's a good album but musically, for the most part, it lacks the energy and distinct sound of the old GnR material. 

I probably  shouldn't have said even that much  :hihi:

Let's not turn this into a VR vs. New GnR thread

No Gn'R song is as boring as "Set Me Free" :no:

the best  chance.. and maybe only time i think axl and slash will ever play together would be at the rock n roll hall of fame in 2012 when they get inducted.  slash, duff and izzy deserve the honor just as much axl.. so it would only be fair

***Cough**Steven**Cough***

I highly doubt that Slash would"jump" at the chance if Axl asked him to.  There have been huge money offers b/f to try in get the band back together for a tour. I remember reading that somewhere, it was either Duff or Slash that said it.

The only one who wants a reunion right now is alder. And really who would want to get mixed up with that has been.

When has all this money been offered, to who, by who, and when?!?!

I dont think Axl would have offered it, especialy after 97-99(mabye)... It would have had to of been right after the orginals were gone... I dont see Axl starting up with the new guys in 99/00 just to fire them for money from the record company... I think the record company is the ones who offered it.... I never heard Axl was offered any amount to let those guys back into the studio with him... Whos to say slash/duff never accepted that money but Axl disagreed, so the reunion never went through??

I wouldnt mind being in Slashs position....second most popular member of Guns N Roses and as far as most people on this earth are concerned will always be in Guns N Roses....and being in a brand new multi-platinum selling hard rock band....the guy has it made....and he doesnt have to answer for Chinese not being out......he is kind of free to do whatever he wants...thats why he could care less about a reunion at this point....

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No.
You are wrong.
If GNR ever gets back to life again, life will be much better.
Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff and Steven together?
That is a fucking dream and I hope it comes fuckin' true.

Luciano
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If you want to be stuck in the past that's fine.  But it ain't ever happening and if it did, it would be for all the wrong reasons.  Too many bridges have been burned and there are too many big egos involved for any reunion to be about anything but money.  And since none of the guys with the exception of Adler need the money it's not realistic

We already know that the two sides are way too proud to ever admit they were wrong.  The original lineup has been dead and buried for years.  At this point in time it's evident that Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff have stopped living in the past.  Steven not so much.  But everyone else should take note  :smoking:

We all know it'll happen someday....

now delete or move this thread because It has already been posted in the CORRECT section and because I'm getting sick of these Axl nuthuggers? ::)

why are those vr guys so proud of themselves?   lol... contraband fails miserably when its put up against any music old gnr ever made as will libertad

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I am not stuck in the past, I am stuck in Guns n' Roses. I am stuck in the best band that has ever existed on this planet.
I can enjoy Axl's band. But that is because I would enjoy Axl even if he was singing with Britney Spears or Michael Jackson. I want GNR to get back again and do NEW music. Those five guys can write (and play!) rock n' roll songs better then the Beatles, the Stones and the Ramones!


How do you know that? Can you see the future?


Axl and his band played Appetite songs every night last year and made a shit load of money out of it. Steven did the same thing, but his band is not 1/100 as big as Axl's band. AND Axl calls his band Guns n' Roses. Now tell me who is living in the past? And who is living off the past?

I don't care about "new" and "modern" music. This is all shit to me. I like rock n' roll and I like great music. And as far as I am concerned, nobody can rock better than Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven!

Luciano
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stuck in the past, stuck in the past, stuck blablabla
do you have anything else to say?

one day Slash may eventually realise that Velvet Revolver won't get anywhere an he'll decide to return to
Guns N Roses, but it may not happen because of one man (AXL ROSE)

No it won't, thank God.

Hope this is going to shoot down all those reunion rumors.

Someday :smoking:

Won't get anywhere? I'm sorry, where have you been for the last few years?

These guys have had an international hit album, massive tours selling huge amounts of tickets, and are about to drop another international record. Which a number of people, across the globe, are excited to hear.

I think they've "got somewhere" already, don't you?

I'll be waiting for the reunion...... It will happen.. I hope.... Dude, I would go to every show on the east coast...

As will CD

How about "Get over it"? 

that's what i'm thinking it's all up to axl, i say wait for the reunion until you are like 55 axl,  :hihi:

this has been posted before in the guitar world interview

yeah we know, but that interview/thread was about slash and AFD, this is about possible reunion : ok:

dude
a lot of people including me, want a reunion why dont you respect that

Selfish pricks.  :P

How about supporting the band we have instead?



/jarmo

i agree with all you said there. : ok:

and i think VR sucks because Scott Weiland really doesn't do anything for me, to me the vocals are all wrong :no:

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Why not?
Because GNR is 1.000.000.000 times better than Axl's band!
Luciano
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Well said.  I love the GnR we have in the present, and have no desire to look back at this point. 

I could've never said this better myself :hihi: :peace:

#1 - Axl still is in GN'R along with a few other guys.

#2 - A fucking reunion because you want it is wrong and selfish. It's about what the band members want. A majority of them seem to be busy.

#3 - You can't recreate the past so stop thinking it's gonna be like 1987 just because the names of the band members are the same.




/jarmo

Exactly.

I think not even slash believes what he is saying. Im sure Slash would terminate VR a second after Axl asked him to do a reunion

Steven does!! :hihi:

And Axl and Slash have both made it abundantly clear that they don't want a reunion.  Why can you respect that?  Why don't you respect the guys who actually want to be in Guns N Roses?

[
Aside from 2-3 songs, not really.? Contraband's a good album but musically, for the most part, it lacks the energy and distinct sound of the old GnR material.?


that probably due to Scott's influence and his "not wanting to sound like Guns N Roses"
like that's a bad thing considering you've got 2 founding members and Slash took that sound w/ everyone he's played with but VR :(

I's still love to hear the 10 songs Slash, Izzy, Duff and Matt wrote b4 Scott came inot the fold......
maybe when Scott does his "solo album"; Slash, izzy, Duff and Matt can do a solo thing and get someone to sing to the 10 songs or so.......(for some reason, I would love to hear Christina Aguilera fronting that band :o)

Meh , Pink Floyd got back , Rage is back , Van Halen is back , GNR is feasible in the future.  I would hate to see a 5 washed up rockers who just need some cash , if reunion does happen I want to see them actually liking it. I mean I dont know about all of you but to see Slash and Axl on the same stage would be INSANE. Funny steven wants it really bad , but even IF it happens Matt would be apart of it , Adler can NOT handle stuff like YCBM or alot of the UYI stuff...

I'd really like to hear the songs recorded during the sessions that Slash, Duff and Matt had with Josh Todd and Keith Nelson too.  Too bad they're probably locked in a vault somewhere and will never be heard  :no:

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#1 - Axl has a new band that he calls GNR and this band plays GNR songs. In my book, GNR hasn't performed since 1993 (the Izzy gigs).

#2 - I never said that I want a reunion to happen against the will/desire of Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven. It wouldn't make any sense. My dream is that someday all the five of them get to feel like playing together again for the best reason: creating and playing great music again.

#3 - I never said I want to recreate the past. As you said yourself, that is impossible. It will never be 1987 again - thanks God for that! But I am sure that Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven can get together in 2007 (or anytime they want) and CREATE music again. These five guys are rock n' roll geniuses, and it doesn't get any better than these five guys together making music. NEW music. GREAT music. I think anybody that wants a reunion feel the same way! Nobody wants to recreate the past! It is the other way around!

Luciano
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I think your point #1 states why most people are after a reunion - ' Axl and a few other guys'. That says it all. Most of people dont care who these guys are.

#2 Its not about what the band members want. Axl could say I'm having a reunion and Pitman might say 'But Axl...please... what about my synth contributions?' and Axl would say 'Your all fired, get out'.

3# Us people hoping for a reunion will stop living in 1987 when we arent fed the AFD Tour 200.... every year with no new album. Hopefully Axl will also stop trying to recreate the past by living off former glories made by people who left years ago.

Anyways, this is all kind of redundant if Axl, Slash, Duff etc dont want a reunion. Its up to them, not us.

Incidentally, Jarmo - what would you do if there was a reunion announced? Shut down the site and never again support the band again?

Dont get me wrong Im not an Axl hater, I just wish he'd release this ridiculous album. I mean how long can it possibly take?!!

@ ShotgunBlues1978

i didnt come here to disagree with you my friend...you have your own thoughts about gnr i have mine....

@ jarmo

itsnot gonna be like 1987 thats true, but it will be a looooot better than axl and a few other guys band.....

Well Mr Brownstone7

u are absolutely right because right now G'N'R is just Axl Rose and some dumb fuckin tribute band, thats Not G'N'R!

People need to realise that this band is not going to die anytime soon. They have one of the most anticipated record coming.

Do you think that so close of completion, Axl will tell the whole band to fuck off and get back with the old guys ?

Ain't going to happen. Thank God. And He knows I've loved the old band a lot when I was a kid. But I came to know and love this one now, and I don't want them to leave.

Plus, all you guys saying that they're living off AFD all the time need to realize that there are songs that audiences need to hear. So they'll always play some AFD songs in the future. But when CD comes out, they will play less AFD material and more from CD. So enjoy the fact that right now you can still hear those old tunes when going to a gig.


Considering the fact that for you GN'R was the AFD lineup, then GN'R hasn't played since 1990. I'm wondering why the fuck you're still on a GN'R message board 17 years later. ::)

then we would se dollar sing in Slashs eyes

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I don't like Matt a lot and I don't like Dizzy at all, but for me the band that recorded UYI and that performed live from january 20, 1991 until September 31, 1991 was Guns n' Roses (with another drummer and a keyboard player). When Izzy left, that was not Guns n' Roses anymore (for me) because much of the GN'R sound was based on Izzy guitar playing and his songwriting ability. You lose that, you have another band. Same if you lose Axl, or if you lose Slash.

What the fuck I am doing here? Probably the same thing that you are doing! I am trying to find any news and any info and any music related to Guns n' Roses. Axl is the best frontman ever and even if he plays with another musicians he still is Axl and I want to know about it and listen to it. Same goes for Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven. I'll be always looking for new info & music that comes from those guys.

Luciano
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You got that right.....

hahahahah   : ok:

I think steven could easily handle the illusion stuff, matts drumming fukin sux on the illusions, very simple, very boring, like a machine or somethin. I hope for a reunion one day, with the original members.

I think you guys can quit worrying about ' Popcorn '.

I think he's more than capable of hanging for a reunion.

I want this reunion to happen bad. I'm ready to re-live the real Guns N  Roses !



/bringbackadler

well guess what pal, your book doesn't fucking matter!   are you that nieve to believe that your opinion on what GNR is, is actual fact?   You don't make that call.   You don't define what Guns N' Roses is, and trying to act like you do is just immature and makes you appear bitter.

fuck a reunion.    you people should show some respect for the band, if you are going to come post on a GNR fan site.

Gee... if you don't want to hear about a reunion, have you ever considered not posting in a reunion thread ?!?

The band people are speaking about in this thread ARE GUNS N ROSES !!

Why don't you go post in that "new era" section where "the current band" can't even verify who is in the current lineup !


/bringbackadler

Well guess what!

#1) I am not your pal!   :)

#2) My book matters... to me!   :D

#3) No, I am not that naive, my opinion is just my opinion. But you seem to have a problem tolerating other people's opinions, don't you?   ;D

#4) Saying clever stuff live "guess what pal, your book doesn't fucking matter!" and "fuck a reunion" and defining me (and who knows who else) as "you people" make you sound really mature and not bitter at all!   :hihi:  But, I have to tell you, it makes you look like someone that has a problem tolerating other people's opinions! Oops! I told you that already!  :rofl:

#5) I post here because this is a great site that has lots of info about Guns n' Roses and everything GN'R related, including fresh news, music to download, a reliable history section, and much more, including lots of info on Axl's band! Here I can share my opinion with GNR fans from all over the world and that is just fantastic. I don't agree with lots of stuff that people say here, but I try to respect other people's opinion! And about Axl's band, please don't expect me to say amen to Axl just because he is the best singer/frontman ever. I still like a lot of the things he does (nobody does better vocal melodies in my book) but I don't like his new band at all. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that because you can think it is disrespectful, right?  :rofl:

#6) bringbackadler has a nice suggestion for you: "if you don't want to hear about a reunion, have you ever considered not posting in a reunion thread?!?" Did you take note of it? Hope you did, so I don't have to talk to you again!  :drool:

Luciano
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Well, didn't the "band we have instead" also tell Axl that that he should get the original guys back together, according to Adler.

I think it's safe to say that the majority of us are looking forward to the reunion. ? :yes:




/bringbackadler

dude seriously, don't belive everything your idol says, and even if that was the case adler probably got it all wrong like for them (present members) it was cool if slash, duff or anybody else could come and play a few songs like izzy is doing when he wants to, or doing like ONE show, i'm pretty confident that noone in the band would want to leave the band and CD so that old members could take their places

VR sounds nothing like AFD nor UYI's.
VR sounds like crap. There.

Your loss.

You're so hung up on the name issue that you're missing out. But whatever.





Good luck with that.

I'm happy with what we got and support it.

This band is far better than people like you want to admit. Because you're stuck up on the name and can't get over the past.

Some of you are blaming Axl for everything that happened with the band, when in fact for the last ten years we've pretty much only heard Slash's side of the story.



By great music I assume you mean AFD style of music?

None of those guys were interested in being in GN'R. So why should they want to go back now?


Steven was fired, Duff, Izzy and Slash all quit. I guess they didn't want to be in the band anymore so they walked out.

You think they'd walk back and say "sorry, it was wrong of me to quit"?

Slash himself has said the name has been tarnished.





/jarmo

I thought Slash, Duff, and Izzy quit because they were sick and fucking tired of Axl's tyrannical ways !    : ok:

I think it'll eventually be Axl who will try and get the "real guns" back together.

Chinese Democracy will be a huge album (one I personally look forward to more than you know) but it will not receive the same status that AFD and the Illusions reached (hope I'm wrong).

Look at the polls you have set up on this site where you ask for the favorite guitar player and drummer, etc. Who are the names you see over and over ?
It's not Finck and Ferrar... and rightfully so. They don't even come close to touching the real guys.

You can keep believing that this current band is just as good or better but that simply is not the case.  Most people can easily see this.   :no:

For now, the "New GNR" cover band will have to do, but personally, I cannot wait for the reunion w/ the "real Guns"!    :peace:



/bringbackadler

no read up on it a bit more

Izzy was way to strung out and he sobered up....then he saw all his friends killing himself...he didnt want part of that lifestyle anymore...and everyone was bitter about it...there is cases of duff and slash talking shit jsut as much as axl

as to slash...there was really a difference of opinoon in the direction of GnR....slash was the one demanding they do its five o'clock somewhere...and duff was the first to walk out in fact...axl gave up talking to him about it so slash recorded it solo

Duff quit in 97 or something ...didnt like the direction the band was going in...but interviews with duff make it seem like it was a split on good terms..

anyway tis well documented on this site...take a look around and come back...adler was fired cuz he was too fuckign whacked to even record one song..

I appreciate you taking the time to write back on this, but yes, I knew this already.

I was just trying to make a point to Jarmo because he said they must have walked out on the band because they were not interested or something ridiculous like that.

Like I said, thanx again but I am definitely aware of who was fired and who walked out because they had enough and why.


/bringbackadler

yet you can't let go of things that happened so many years ago.  ::)  its ok, you're just an emotional guy.  :crying:

Axl's always seem to have been the one with the vision.

It wasn't Slash's idea to make music videos, that 15 years alter, still are some of the biggest videos ever made.




It seems like it's Steven.....



You seem to look forward to a reunion.

I guess CD is also something that's in the way so you look forward to it...




Real guys?

Seriously, what the fuck's wrong with you?


There's nothing unreal about Robin, Richard or Ron.

They're very real. They live on the same planet as you and I.

Well, maybe you live on a different planet judging by your posts.


You, and people like you, are trying very hard to discredit the current band because you see them as being in the way of that lovely reunion.



Apples and oranges.

Some people claim Snakepit's albums are better than Use Your Illusion.

Some of you are basing your opinions on bootlegs because you weren't even fans back in the day.


GN'R was one of the best bands in the world back in the late 80s/early 90s.

That doesn't men GN'R can't be one of the best bands in the world in the 2000s.




Go and wait for the next Adler's Appetite tour.

You're obviously not a fan since you keep referring to them as not real and a cover band.





/jarmo

then why post somethign totally opposite to what is documented as to what actually happened :-\

by the time slash left....there was irreparable damage to the professional relationship of axl and slash...and slash walked out so really isnt it his fault that your dream band was finished 12 years ago? anyway i think jarmos point is that "welcome to 2007" ...people grow apart...its sad but it happens and this particular incident happend a loooooong time ago

because Axl Rose hurt his feelings and he blames Axl for the fact that his favorite member(s) of the band aren't in the band anymore, so he just writes whatever garbage he can come up with to discredit Axl and anyone else presently in the band.   

Mean ol Axl!  BBA sure is teaching him a good lesson.

you thought wrong as Neemo laready pointed out : ok:
i don't think so, i can't even see a reunion as the way it's all going on now with CD and libertad.

I thought u thought it was alder and the current members wanting to see a reunion ::)


the polls were made in 2003, that's 4 years ago right after a disapointing tour, if they were made today i'm sure the result would be different and i didn't vote until today and yeah i voted finck : ok:


that's just opinions of people living in the now.. instead of almost a decade and a half ago

The only thing that you said that interested me was what I bolded.

When is that, btw ??? ?


P.S. -- I am a huge Guns fan. I just personally don't think the new guys are "better". ?I guess that means that you and I can't be buds ? ? :'(

Lastly, I do agree w/ you that those videos WERE Axl's vision. But that does not mean Slash and Duff were not part of the reason they became as big as they are.



/bringbackadler

Of course.

Everybody currently in the band are "occupying" these peoples' favorite members' positions.

They want CD out so that it'll fail and there can be a reunion of the "real band".



I don't have anything against bands reuniting. It's up to the artists. But some people's obsession with reuniting the AFD line-up is sad.



Probably before the reunion.



/jarmo

perfect. Wonderful. Exactly what I want, exactly my thoughts.   : ok:

really?  :o  who knew!!   

are you still in love with the same girl you were 10 years ago, and if not, have you gotten over it yet?  :peace:

Whats it like living in 1987?   You're not even supposed to have the internet yet!

You should check out some comments Axl made at a show in Albany in 2002.   I believe it was before they played "Patience".    Then read what Tommy said back during the fall US tour..  he was talking to you.

I agree.  If these 'fans' truly respected the original members, they would support whatever it is they are doing and respect their wishes.   If that lineup wanted to get back together, it would have probably already happened.   Clearly, its not what the majority of those guys are interested in doing now.

Guns right now does not need any more member changes, we've had enough of that I think.    The band as it is now is perfect, I saw the last show.   Axl is obviously happy with it, and the VR guys are obviously happy doing their thing.   

Axl Rose is the greatest frontman of all time and I love the members of the band now, and its a huge slap in the face to not only this band (which includes Axl, the same guy who was in their beloved original GNR lineup), but to its fans when these people whine on and on about an original GNR reunion.   

If you people want to support the ex-members of GNR, go check out Velvet Revolver, go buy Izzy's solo albums, go check out Adler's Appetite or whatever Gilby is doing.   That is what we have and the way it is.

Hey Jimbo,

How about going and getting your dad so we can have an adult conversation !

There? was a band in the 80's/90's and they were called GNR TOO !? ?

/bringbackadler


You are giving me negative karma for this ?

That's bullshit !

If you look at the comments that were made prior to me making this, you clearly would have had to have given him karma points for insults.

I'm assuming the only reason that you gave me mine is because you and I seem to disagree on the current incarnation of GUNS alot and he basically mimicks everything you say. So I guess it truly does pay off being one of your "yes men".

The other karma I received last week was also fucking ridiculous. I posted an article where Slash had a NIN t-shirt on and I was basically trying to initiate conversation about Finck as much as I was Slash. You just obviously couldn't see that. So you gave me my first karma for posting in the "wrong area".

It's obvious to me that you are just trying to get me off the boards and by giving me karma on a weekly fucking basis for nonsense, you'll likely get your wish really soon. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean what I'm saying is negative !
Your always bitchin that I need to go hang out in dead horse and when I do you still come here and give me karma !  Fucking ridiculous !

/bringbackadler

maybe Slash farted, lets make a thread about that  ::)

 :hihi:

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I don't see that as a loss or anything similar. I see that as a fact. GNR is not together anymore, Axl has a new band and that is that! I feel sorry for Axl using the name of GNR. He doesn't need to to that to himself and to everybody else. He can make great music as Axl Rose or whatever he wants to call his new band! No matter what the name is, the sound will be the same! Calling it GNR is just lame because even the rocks at the bottom of the Ocean know that Axl's band is not GNR.


I am amazed how you can say something like that. I have been a maniac GNR fan for 18 years now and I have never ever been ashamed of that. Most of the people I talk to say that Axl is a pathetic singer and a lame rock star. I say them that Axl may have issues but he is the greatest singer and frontman ever. Do you think I have a problem admiting I love GNR? Hell no! But Axl's new band just doesn't work for me! I like great rock n' roll and these guys can't do it good enough for my liking! I am sorry! They are not good enough! Actually sometimes they are pretty sad.


Believe me, I have heard and read as much as I could on all the sides of the story (including Axl's). It is not about blaming Axl or not. I wasn't there so I probably will never be able to know what really happened. What I know is this: Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven like to play rock n' roll and they can write and perform great rock n' roll anytime they want and they have been doing that in the last 15 years. But what about Axl? He seems to be worried about making "modern music" and being trendy. Well, sorry, but this modern music that he is making is not good enough! Actually, the only good thing about Axl's new band in my opinion is that this band has Axl on it!


By great music I mean GNR style of music. I mean AFD style. I mean GNR Lies style. I mean UYI style. I mean Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven style.


Because things change. Because they may want to be together again and do great rock n' roll music again!



I suggest you to read "Over the Top", by Mark Putterford. Have you read that book? It looks like you didn't.


So it is the videos that make GNR great? I though it was about the music!


Yeah, they are real guys, like you and me and everybody else.
Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven are not normal people, they are real great rock n' fuckin rollers!


I agree with you. If GNR (Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven) returns, they can do the best rock album of the last 10 years in one month. But about Axl's band, I am sorry, they don't seem to be good enough.


Yeah, I agree with you. But the same way people grow apart, they can get together again. And that is what GNR fans are hoping for!


Great. I agree 100%!


Yes it is. I am VERY SAD right now because GNR does not exist at the moment.
If GNR ever gets together one day, I'll be VERY HAPPY!


I stopped quoting Axl a lomg time ago because he is not reliable. He says one thing and he does another. Like pretty much everybody else. He wanted to bury Appetite like 17 years ago. Did you see his new band playing live? His band show is entirely based on Appetite for Destruction (just like Adler's band).


No, thanks. I couldn't care the less about what Tommy says or not. I read once that Tommy said that he is in GNR longer than Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven. After reading that I just lost my respect for this guy.

Luciano

PS: Even having extremely different opinions in this particular subject, I really enjoy talking to you guys Jarmo and Neemo because you obviously love GNR (whatever GNR means) and you are nice and intelligent and you show me some sides of the story that sometimes I can't see. I wish everybody on this board could be like you! Thanks for the nice talk!

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Nice post Luciano.

It's nice to see someone else around here who isn't afraid to speak the truth.

Be careful though bro, the "karma police" might come and get ya !       :o



/bringbackadler

That sure is a twisted version of 'the facts'.   Nothing you can say changes the fact that the band is Guns N' Roses.  Let go already.

if you think they are sad, then what are you doing here?   why waste your time on a site about a band that isn't good enough for your liking and that makes you sad.   thats your opinion and its perfectly valid, but it makes you look a little fruity by constantly coming here to tell us this.

or not.   the reality of the situation would indicate otherwise.   this is just pointless speculation and its unfounded.   in fact it goes against the actions and words of the majority of the AFD members.   Outside of Steven Adler's wishful thinking, there is absolutely no basis to your statement whatsoever.


well this is your lucky day, buddy!   GNR is together, its just not the original lineup.   If the existance of a certian lineup of a band determines your happiness or sadness, might I suggest therapy or some other means of professional help to help get something back in your life that has meaning.


I doubt you respected him in the first place.    :rant:    which brings me right back to this question, "Why are you still here?"   

Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven are not in Guns N' Roses now, but Tommy is.   Coming here and trashing Tommy is coming here and trashing the members of the band this board is here for.

The question is :

What in the hell are you doing in a Slash reunion thread if YOU have no interest in it ?!?

I think you would fit in better w/ those "new era guys" !    :P


/bringbackadler

How does your opinion get labeled the truth?


You people think that with a reunion everything would be just great and the band would be the biggest band in the world.

Times change.

Have you noticed how many of the reunited bands make albums but they don't sell millions?



For all of you who still don't get it, the band is GN'R. You can cry about it until your eyes are red but it won't change the fact that the band is GN'R' Only, people left and Axl kept going instead of doing what you all would've wanted him to. Which is, kill the band.

Where you all hoping for a reunion in November 1991 when Izzy left?

How upset were you in 1990 when Steven was officially out of the band?

Should they have changed the name of the band since one member who helped create AFD was gone? It wasn't the same band anymore so how could they keep the name?

Was it ok to call the band GN'R with only three original members? Where do you draw the line?


I see many people saying Steven is the only drummer for GN'R. Well, he's been gone since 1990 so I guess you've been upset for almost 17 years by now. Hoping and waiting for Steven's return.




/jarmo

Do you really need an answer for that first bolded question ?

Second bolded question, hell yeah Steve is the only drummer for GNR, and hell yeah I want him to return !? ? : ok:

btw, I posted about my ridiculous karma point I received today in the "feedback section".  Totally uncalled for and singling me out because I'm a reunion fan !



/bringbackadler

its because you are coming to a site about Guns N' Roses (today's band) and disrespecting them in just about every post you make.    I wouldn't go to a board dedicated solely to the original GNR and troll it telling everybody how much better the current lineup is.  (although I dont see how much there is to talk about on a board like that but if thats your thing..)  its the same thing.

jarmo, why not make another pool asking for our favourite guitarrist, drummer and bass players?
one now and other after chinese democracy is released/next tour =)

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It is for you. It is not for me.

I just told you that. I am here because this site has info about all GNR related, and one of these things is Axl's band.

Because Axl is the singer of that band and so I wanna listen to it. If Axl sings with Britney Spears ( :rofl:) I'll want to listen. If he sings with Coldplay ( :drool:? :crying:? :drool:) I'll listen too.

I won't even answer to this kind of thing.

I never said that a reunion would happen. I said it can happen. I want it to happen. Lots of other people want that too. And that is all there is to it.


#1 - I am not your buddy.
#2 - Have you ever considered that the fact that I am VERY SAD about GNR not being together does not affect any other part of my life? I can live a great life even being sad about this particular specific stuff.


I didn't know anything about Tommy before he joined Axl's band. First thing I knew is that he was a member of the Replacements, a band that is suposed to be cool. I thought that was nice. But after reading that thing he said...? :drool:

I didn't know you needed to have unconditional love for Axl's band to post in this board. Last time I checked you could have your own opinion. Jarmo has always allowed different opinions in this board. Thank God this is Jarmo's board and not yours!? ?:hihi:

I agree with jarmo here. It is not about speaking the truth, but about giving opinions and reading other people's opinions!

I do think that. OH YEAH!

Jarmo, first you spoke about "Axl vision" for the videos and now you talk about "selling millions". I think videos are cool and selling millions is usually great, but isn't it about the music? Peter Gabriel makes cool videos and Britney Spears sell millions records. Actually I couldn't care less about videos and selling millions! I want to listen to great rock n' roll music and I am sure Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven can give us that if they ever get together again.

It is GNR for Axl, you and some people. It is not GNR to me and some people.

I don't think so. And I am really not crying.

I would never want Axl to do that. I want Axl and the other guys to get together.

I felt GNR was over when Izzy left and the band lost one of its most important qualities, the guitar interplaying of Izzy and Slash and, of course, the band lost one of its main songwriters. All I was hoping in 1991 was for Izzy to come back. When he came back in 1993 for a few gigs I thought he would eventually rejoin the band. Then I kept hoping for his return and I am still hoping!

I was very upset. VERY. Another thing that made me upset was when Dizzy came in. I don't like him at all and most of GNR songs don't need a keyboard. Axl on piano is OK, but Dizzy is very annoying, except when performing Estranged onstage, when a keyboard player is needed.

No.

Because Steven druming was not a essencial part of the GNR sound. Don't get me wrong, I think he is the best drummer ever, but another drummer could replace him and the band still would be GNR.

No. After Izzy left it wasn't Guns n' Roses no more. But since more than half of the band (3/5) were still onboard, the name thing was not an issue.

I draw the line on Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff. If you have these guys you have GNR.

Yes. That's all I can do. Be upset and hope and wait.

Luciano
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Your  the man!

Jim Bob is the new Davegnr2k... He can get away with whatever he wants because he likes to slurp Axl's knob so much... Maybe he will see the light someday too...

Did you give him the -1 karma then, since you seem to know the reason?
Furthermore, is this really a board just for talking about new GNR? Damn, Jarmo must've really fucked up things when he made the "Dead Horse", "Velvet Revolver" and "Ex-Gunners" sections, not to mention the sports/games, chit-chat, general music and downloading sections. Hey! Isn't this "Dead Horse" we're all posting in right now???

It still wouldn't be accurate because the minority of the people that prefer Axl's current line-up hang out here.. If you put up a poll on some well known rock site you would get the real picture of what the world thinks about Axl's band.

actually no i didint what is it about? I go by the articles and interviews i've read on this site...other than that i havent read much gnr literature (except back in the day when ther were in hit parader and such)


I'd like that as much as anybody but the past 12 years has been about axl's thing and axl putting together this band....honestly i'd like to see where they can go before its abandoned and a reunion happens, i mean i've waited this long i might as well see what the big deal is...i've made my peace with the band splitting and with Axl carrying on GnR by himself with new guys...in the mean time i've listened to Gilby, snakepit, izzy, duff, supernova and Velvet revolver...IMO if you are a gnr fan these days you got alot of options to choose from :beer:


no prob :D likewise ;)


dude...seriosuly Adler is fucked up...i dont think he's capable at playing at the level he would need to be at to be with the likes of the other guys on stage....sorry

Completely agree bro !

 Amen and Halelujah !!


/bringbackadler

I dont slurp on any knob, thank you very much.   

I don't get away with anything I want, otherwise I wouldn't have a -1 karma, which I deserved and isn't the end of the world anyways.  I dont even give a shit about my karma rating.   Some of you act like its some big deal.

Its not about seeing the light, you dont get it at all.   I am a GnR fan on a GnR board wondering why there are so many trolls who wont shut up about a stupid fucking reunion that no one outside of Steven Adler has shown any interest in having.   If you love and respect Axl, then respect the band as well.  If you don't, then I dont know why you would still be on a GNR board 12 years after the members you do like left.

I totally agree...

I'm definitely onboard w/ what you're saying.     : ok:



/bringbackadler

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It is a nice book that tells GNR history from "day one" (it talks briefly about Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven childhood and growing up) then focuses on the band getting together and tells all about Appetite days, Illusion era (with detailed explanation about why Izzy left, Izzy himself tells his side of the story) and up until the end of UYI Tour. It is a great book by a well recognized author. It is VERY hard to find these days but sometimes it pops up on eBay. I have read lots of books (I mean LOTS) about GNR and this is my favourite.

Here you can see some info about it and some customer reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Over-Top-Story-Roses-Classic/dp/0711952221.

WOW, someone is asking US$ 345 dollars for it!

There is nothing I would like more to happen than a reunion, but actually I am very curious at Chinese Democracy and I am really looking forward to listen to Axl's album.

I agree with you but not 100%. If you look at every guy situation, it is not really great:
Izzy: He has released the Like a Dog album and that was GREAT, but I need new music. There are several things that he has recorded that are still unreleased, including jams with Slash and Duff for HIS albums, lots of unreleased tracks from all his solo albums and the infamous "Miami Album" that he recorded in Miami in 2005 but hasn't released it yet (actually there is no name for the album, it is just called "Miami Album" by the nice guys on Izzy's board - www.beenafix.com/board). So you see, I am hungry for music here!
Slash, Duff: I didn't like VR first album at all. I hope Libertad can go in a better direction! I am hungry for music here too!
Steven: Adler's Appetite has a really killer cover of Thin Lizzy's Hollywood. And some almost good original songs. Actually I am grateful about the Thin Lizzy cover. I recently found out that the rose tattoo on Axl's arm is from the Thin Lizzy album "Black Rose". I just downloaded this album yesterday and it is FUCKING GREAT! I recommend that to any GNR fan that loves rock n' roll and hard rock.
Axl: I only like 2 new songs: Better and Chinese Democracy. The other ones are not for my taste.

I think you are wrong here. Just try to listen to Adler's Appetite EP, he can plays damn well! And I am not 100% sure that he is fucked up. I only hear rumours about that. I hope he is not fucked up.

Luciano
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I concur ... The vocals in that band are just no good imo.

As for a reunion, couldn't care less, this band is fucking awesome as is, you only have to hear the music to see that.
And since does members leaving stop the name carrying on? AC/DC lost their frontman (granted it was to death) and that changed the sound more than a little. Should they have had to lose their name as well? 

Your opinion just doesn't matter since the band won't change the name and Axl is ok with it. : ok:
I don't want another band name and it won't happen. If you don't think it's GN'R, well, be sad. The fact is that the band name is Guns N' Roses. Live with it. Just keep in mind that your opinion does NOT matter.

oh, as for the topic... Slash can talk about reunion as much as he wants to. he should think that before he left the band, before leaving Axl alone. Now it's his problem if he can't keep a good band (Velvet Revolver) and can't create good songs.

you deserve positive karma for that post  : ok:   

people can whine all they want, at the end of the day, it makes no fucking difference.  Its not up to anyone to decide the name of the band, other than Axl. 

Oh, thanks... and exactly... they can whine all they want but that won't make any difference. They talk like if their opinion make any difference, lol. I just wanted to show him and the other Axl/GN'R haters that their opinion doesn't make any fucking difference and the band name will keep Guns N' Roses. If they accept it, well, that's just fine. If they don't accept it, well, that's all fine cause that's the fact.
If someone else can't accept that, well... they can cry. More and more. Even if they cry more and more nothing will change. Axl will still be the singer of Guns N' Roses.

for y'all bitching about GN'R not being GN'R anymore:

Got what I said? Stop crying. You won't make difference. Just to remind you once more: Guns N' Roses is the same band that recorded AFD, UYI and Lies. They just have some different members. They are Guns N' Roses.
was my post boring? Yes. But you all bitching about Guns N' Roses being "Axl's band" is much more boring.
last time: live with it. your tear won't make difference. Accept or accept. You have no choice.
lol, sorry, I had to say that.

No offense, but its ridiculous to say its the same band that recorded all of those albums...

^ All of this will be different once CD will be out. We'll have some kind of continuity.

dude, members changed, but the band is the same. Guns N' Roses is the band name. Guns N' Roses was the band name. The only different thing is that Slash and other guys left. That's their problem, the band is out there kicking asses and will release an album soon enough.

Ok fine, this band is the same one that recorded all of the studio albums because its called Guns N Roses. Nice one.

The members changed but the band is the same? No, the name is the same. Thats it mate.

if you ask the band that recorded AFD the answer is Guns N' Roses. If you ask in the future what's the band that recorded Chinese Democracy, the answer is Guns N' Roses. so...  ::)

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YES, my opinion matters a lot to me, and there is nothing you can do to change it.   :hihi:

#1 - I don't have an opinion to make a difference. I have an opinion and that is that, wheter you like it or not.
#2 - I am not an Axl hater.

This has to be THE funniest post ever on this board!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This was funny too, but not half as funny as the other one.
You are repeating yourself, the same joke can never have the same impact twice!
Remember that!  :rofl:

Keep it up! Now it got good again! This is clever stuff you are saying right here, I am actually taking notes. It is so fun!  :rofl:

Luciano
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A Reunion Will Happen :smoking: wether Jim Bob likes it or not ::)

well according to your idol, the one you keep sending me harassing PMs about for no reason at all, its not happening.

oh shut up!

you sillly goose!  :D 

don't pm me anymore.  I'm saying this publically so the moderators can see my request for you to leave me the fuck alone.

alright alright sorry Jim Bob :smoking:

then why did you just send me another one after you made this post?   you dont have any reason to send me private messages, at all.  dont do it.

okay dude settle down, l don't wanna argue anymore you have your opinions and l have mine.
lets just forget about it okay : ok:

Can I send you private messages ?

I want to be friends.? ? :drool:



*bba*

I don't want to change it, but your opinion don't matter to Axl, Guns N' Roses and to us. So you can cry as much as you want, your opinion will still be pointless and useless. ;)


#1 - everyone has an opinion. I'm just pointing that YOURS don't matter.
#2 - good then. Why do you keep coming here and bitching about Guns N' Roses, then? You're blaming Guns N' Roses, not Axl Rose or actual members (since you talk about them like if they weren't Guns N' Roses).


Sorry to disappoint you, but that was not a joke. If you don't accept that I'm sorry for you. I recommend therapy, so sooner or later you'll be ready to accept that ;)


Since that wasn't a joke, I will ignore this post. Don't forget the therapy, I think you need that to accept changes. If you aren't ready to accept all GN'R changes these years, well, you shouldn't be here.


Hmm you didn't accept, I know. But last time: you can cry as much as you want. The band Guns N' Roses is playing out there, they're having fun, they've got new fans, they're more talented than the guys they replaced, they were touring last year and they will be again. If you can't accept, well, you can always cry. But, again, your tears won't change nothing, so...  ::)

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Really? So why you keep talking about it?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




No???
This is getting insane!
Please, keep on posting stuff like that!
Don't ever stop!
Thank you so much, you are great!  :rofl:
Luciano
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Axl has recorded 3 records worth of music, over 70 songs, and has played hundreds of shows.

So he says. Have you got any of these albums?

Awww, I want a renuion!!  :-[  :P

Yes ;)

Just because UYI material was heavier in the drum dept. doesn't mean Adler can't handle it. don't be so sure of something when you really don't know what your talking about. Until we hear him try, or hear from someone who has, don't dis the man. Adler is a fantastic drummer, but drugs unfortunately got the better of him. that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be respected. 

Hehehehe, so what your saying is: the musicians don't matter, it's the name that counts? Do you wear designer T-shirts as well?

no, I'm not saying that. I said that the same band that recorded AFD just finished recording CD. It's the same band with different musicians. I never said that musicians don't matter.

thats just silly....its not the same band....same group name....thats about it :-\ i have no idea what you are saying at all Bruno

He's saying Guns N' Roses recorded AFD and Guns N' Roses recorded Chinese Demo.  Just not the same lineups of the band. 

yeah thats cool i get that but the current band couldnt have made AFD and the old Band Couldnt have made CD....they have the same name but they arent the same band :peace:

well yea if he woulda worded it the way I did it would have been more clear.  to say 'they are the same band' is both true and not true.   Its true that its Guns N' Roses, but 20 years ago it was a different lineup than it is now, thats undeniable. 

yea, I meant exactly what you said. By the same band I do mean the same name. The current lineup couldn't have made AFK and the old one couldn't made CD, indeed, Neemo. I just meant the name.  :yes:
I wasn't really clear, thanks Jim Bob.  :hihi:

i didnt say he has put out 3 records i said he has recorded 3 records (if not more) worth of music.

What do you think this is ? a compitition between axl and slash ? cause thats what uyou are making this out to be.

grow the fuck up and just appreciate and enjoy all the music from both axl and slash.

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This is just fantastic!!!!
It goes waaaaaaaay beyond hilarious. :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:
You guys are good!
Please keep posting great stuff like that!




Oh, and please stop posting "obvious" and "not funny" stuff like this:


This is just so obvious that - obviously - it is not funny!
Where is the fun in a sentence like that?
Come on guys, keep it funny!? :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:

Luciano
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luciano, you...
a) got a problem
b) can't accept changes
c) are coming here to make fun of who likes GN'R.
If you come here to quote us and start laughting like that, I'll ask you to stop quoting... at least, stop quoting me? First, you're a disaster when trying to be funny. Second, like I said, if you can't accept changes just go away. I think you're coming here to make fun of us, GN'R fans, but I can't say that for sure.

Luciano, cut the guy some slack. Although I agree it's ridiculous to equate a band to it's name, I think Bruno has heard your part of the deal and made up his mind about disagreeing with you. So your both preaching to the choir (guys like me) and trying to convert the devil himself (guys like Bruno); there's just no point.

Sorry, I can't do that. You are too funny! And, the best part... you are not even trying to be funny!! You are a natural!!? ?:rofl: :rofl:

PS: this is a reunion thread. I bet you can have more fun on these threads below:

"looking for first ever new GN'R band pic"
"HOOKERS N BLOW SPLIT UP!!--FORCED TO CANCEL FLORIDA DATES"
"how will axl react to being in the public eye again?"
"Richard Fortus: Artist Of The Month (IK Multimedia)"
"An open letter to the fans from Axl"

But please come back here from time to time, so we can have more fun!? :hihi:

even I don't find it funny luciano..and I find lots of stuff funny..I don't see the fun in one guy being a pest and thinking its funny and bugging everyone else

luciano, you are a fucking troll who has no business here if you are only here to make fun of those who actually support this band.  Have fun living in 1987, but please go do it somewhere else.

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I don't expect to be funny. I am not trying to be funny. I am doing what I am doing - quoting all this stuff - because this is all I can do when people like Jim Bob and Bruno Poeys come here and act like 11 year olds = give up any clever arguments, start insulting people and not respecting other people's opinions and saying absolutely non-sense stuff like all this stuff I have been quoting.  :drool:

If you read this thread again you will see that lots of HTGTH members - like Jarmo and Neemo - are NOT looking forward to a reunion and they used clever arguments to express their opinion on why a reunion wouldn't be a good thing. And, of course, they used nice manners to express those opinions. We discussed our opposite opinions and that is that.

My opinion about a reunion is this:
Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff and Steven together is a fuckin' dream and I hope it comes fuckin' true. I am not stuck in the past, I am stuck in Guns n' Roses. I am stuck in the best band that has ever existed on this planet. I don't want 1987 again. I never said I want to recreate the past. That is impossible. It will never be 1987 again - thanks God for that! I want GNR to get back together again and do NEW music. The five of them together again for the best reason: creating and playing great music again. I am sure that Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven can get together in 2007 (or anytime they want) and CREATE music again. These five guys are rock n' roll geniuses, and it doesn't get any better than these five guys together making music. NEW music. GREAT music. I think anybody that wants a reunion feel the same way! Nobody wants to recreate the past! It is the other way around!

Thing is: Why don't respect that? I don't like to be insulted and I don't like when people like JimBob and Bruno Poyes start telling me how I should think.

As if they could  :rofl:

I don't like when people can't accept other people's opinions.
And I don't like when people are not nice to me.
And I don't like when people say non-sense stuff and act like 11 year olds.

I will keep on quoting this for as long as I like, trust me.
But it would be so much better to have a nice discussion instead. Well, maybe JimBob and Bruno Poyes will be able to do that some day. I hope so. But I am not holding my breath for that.

Luciano
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and you are respectful of other people's opinions?

then what the fuck is this shit just a few posts back?
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=43394.msg888185#msg888185

seriously dude, you are coming to a GNR forum and insulting fans of the band for liking the band.   What do you expect?

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This is me making fun of someone that talks non-sense and tries to tell me what to do.

I can't see a way to show more respect for other people's opinion than quoting it and saying how great it is  :rofl:

Luciano
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that's what you call respect? If you come and talk with us, nice... but you come here only to make fun of what you think that is wrong. If that's respect, sorry, you don't know the meaning of the word. Not at all.

I don't respect people that don't respect me.