Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Seriously...Axl has waited forever for this album to be right....working with robin and tommy for a long time, those songs mean something.....years together forms a bond that you use on the songs....

how the hell do Frank and BBF just glide in and record final versions of these songs?? im not complaining or agreeing with it, just throwing it out there. songs should evolve and grow within the band over time...esp for THIS album. these guys got a free pass, walk in, go on tour, record on CD all within one year.....doesnt make sense to me.

Well they came in and added new elements to them which improved the song. You have to remember that BH and the others were not the only ones that worked on this album, it has been a lot of different people through out the years. So were can anyone complain about frank and ron? 

right, but to all of a sudden record and then mix the final versions....to me, doesn't make sense, doesn't have that "band" feel to it. what if BBF leaves, next guitarist will lay down their solo, then the album will be mixed for release again? the band members should have STAKE in this album....these guys, who are great, are too new. they just got here. Brain should be on drums anyway!!!!!! and just have Robin and Fortus, with just a few BBF additions, but nothing major.....release the songs that were written and worked on for YEARS, not for 12 months.

Yes, please keep asking the band to NOT release the record.


I'm sure everyone on the board will be behind you.

not asking to take more time, im saying the approach should have been: use brain, use robin, use fortus, use tommy, dizzy...the guys who have been here for awhile, THEY are GnR now. Frank and BBF are too new....they just arrived....for an album that has taken over a decade, it shouldnt take less than 12 mos. for guys to record "their" parts.....use the Core of this band: Axl, tommy, robin, fortus, dizzy and brain.

BBF has been in the band for a long enough time where if GNR were a normal band he would have written, recorded and then had his stuff mixed on the new record.....he has been in the band for almost a year...i dont call that gliding in....

Why do people think it makes any sense that Brain would give up the most lucrative part of the tour to just hang out with a new born baby. ?Women haev babies all the time and husbands don't take off 6 months to stay at home. ?I think its pretty obvious that Brain has been replaced. ?My gut is that Brain was a little too "cool" for GnR and never gave it his full heart and soul. ?I highly doubt Brain resurfaces with GnR. ?

i couldnt agree anymore...

i agree. even tho i like frank and ron, they couldent/shouldent have added that much.

BBF is  in the band now, he seems like a great fit... So why should he not be on the album when it comes out??

BH left... Need I say more why he should be removed??

Frank, if he's in the band.. great let him be on... If he's only temp let him only play live...

Brain.. Is this fuckin guy in or out?!?! I love him to death, but come on man the kid will survive!

Well,Ron have some ideas for some songs,and Axl liked them,so he ised Ron ideas

It's very simple

We dont really know what has gone on with this album or band really, or what will be on CD and who.
I mean recently BBF said he was contacted during 2004 (cant remember exact qoute but it was in a recent interview) and we dont know how long Frank has been around. Also didnt Axl say their will only be minor additions!
so i say they deserve to be on the album, but at the same time, not as much as everyone else. BH probably deserves to be on their too but this subject could possibly be one of the problems (legal, or otherwise) that have delayed this album. after album release it would be really good to hear from axl exactly what went on, would be a good, interesting but probably long read, but i doubt we will get it.

agreed...BBF will have minimal part on CD

never, uh no this is just fine

That must be it since you agree!!


Seriously stop speculating stuff you don't know about.

Seal,Axls jump behind your nick,from which show is it?

Bumblefoot and Frank are both part of the GN'R family so why not?


Maybe it'll shut some people up when they see that all the band members appear on the album.....



/jarmo

bumblefoot is a very talented guitarist and writer, and frank has a beard, so why shouldn't they be on the album?

the frank has a beard bit lol           :hihi: :hihi:         

Franks Beard got him a golden pass from Axl.  Axl said, "hey man, cool beard, lay down some beats."

i'm not really sure how it'll "shut people up." personally, i'd rather have a full album recorded by the same lineup than an ever-shifting cast of characters that will make it appear that much more like an axl rose solo album. i saw this band and KNOW they are guns n' roses, but the rest of the world still needs convincing, and an album with drums by 2 different guys, guitars by 5 or more (probably more), 3 keyboard/synth players (i'm assuming axl will play keys along with chris and dizzy) and various additions that we don't even know about yet by former members and non-members is just going to muddy the waters that much more. when CD finally arrives, just like every time a leak has come out, i know i will find myself in the position of defending the band to those who will hate on it unless it sounds like appetite part 2, especially since everyone they know who was involved with axl in GN'R is now gone. having to defend decisions like the one to have two official drummers in the band makes that job that much harder.

Look at the upside. Maybe BBF and Frank will provide some much needed "spontaniety" to the project. More people seemed to be concerned with the fact that every note of this album has been gone over with a fine tooth comb for 8+ years- and that the result is going to be a good album that could have been great if it didn't sound so "calculated" and "polished".

Maybe the new guys can come in and give it a little 2006-07 juice.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about the "core" getting short-shrifted out of all of this- I'm sure when the dust settles almost all of the credit (as well as criticism) will be flowing in the Axl/Dizzy/Robin/Tommy/Chris direction.

One person who might get lost in all of this is Paul Tobias however.... he could possibly have worked on every single track that will be on this album. It will be interesting to see how much of his work- either recorded or written- survives the final cut.

Use Your Illusions?

I understand where you're coming from, but I must respectfully disagree. ?

Personally, I feel that both Ron and Frank bring much more of a "band feel" to GNR. ?Have you attended a concert with those two in the line-up?

As for their possible contributions on the recordings... when you've been searching for something and then you finally come across it, or if you come across something even better... something that either completes or surpasses your artistic vision... I feel it would be foolish to negate such discoveries simply because they're new. ?

I'm looking forward to the new album and I really don't care whose parts are included, or how long they've been in the band. ? :peace:

Cheers,
W.R.

 ?

 

No offense to all the BBF and Frank lovers out here, but does anyone actually believe that they should be rerecording anything?  I mean seriously, the guys whose parts they are changing are legends in the music industry and these two are Frank and Bumblefoot.  I mean Buckethead is the most amazing guitarist ive ever seen and Brain is a technical genius when it comes to the drums.  The critiques i have heard GNR fans say is that they do not play with as much feeling and Frank and BBF (most likely cause brain and bh have large fan bases outside of GNR so playing in front of 10,000 people is nothing new).  However, i really doubt anyone will say that Frank and BBF are anywhere near as technically proficient, independently successful or have proven themselves anywhere close to the people who recorded on this album before them.  If Axl has to change it for legal reasons, then do it, otherwise put their name on the album anyways no one will know the difference.  i mean seriously does anyone know for sure if Finck actually played guitar on OMG.  Frank and BBF might provide energy to this band, but unless totally needed they need to stay off the cd.

/jarmo

i'd rather see the current band be the band on the album but maybe its just me :-\

but i'm sure there will be bh parts and brain parts on it anyway...and brain is still officially in the band anyway so why would his parts be removed?

Yes, I know they are part of the family and thats great.  BH went to do his thing and Brain wants to be with his kid (probably a bit isolated too without BH around).  Those two were apart of the GNR family too, for years and helped write those parts, it isnt their fault that there is no cd.  The fact that there hasnt been a CD release is probably why they walked away.  They spent years of effort in making that music and itd be a shame for it to just disappear. 

I am not saying BBF and Frank should never be on a GNR album, but this album has taken forever, has better musician's parts already recorded and those musicians spent their time developing those songs.  The BH guitar at the end of TWAT is amazing and its a shame I'll never get to see it live, I really dont want that touched because out of everything I have played for friends thats what impressed them most.  We all know BBF is a great guitarist, but BH is one of the most talented ever. 

Also this album has taken long enough, again if they are needed legally of course put them on it, but if its just to make a point or to reward them etc... I definitely dont think that things should be touched.

Again i am not trying to disrespect Frank and BBF fans, you are probably right that they fit more with the band live and are probably much better "yes" men and more stable.  However, I just dont think theres an argument that they are on the same musical level as BH and Brain and those two spent years on this album, they wrote the parts, contributed in the forming of the song and shouldnt be replaced because they didnt want to sit around during their prime waiting for a release.  I know Brain may not be gone, but everyday it starts looking more and more that way.

^^^? As far as the issue of fairness is concerned, I think you've made an excellent point.

maybe they aren't Rerecording but merely adding some new parts or putting in stuff that wasn't there before.

And then ask these same new guys - who have been working with and touring with the band for coming up on a year now to tour behind a record for x number of years that they had no part in writing or recording?

To me, I think that both guys have more than earned a spot on the record, and having them participate in it - no matter how long they've been in the band - will give them both a bigger investment into the band, the touring, and all the other work that goes into it on a daily basis.  Good for them, I say.

why not let the band and their own internal management (axl) worry about what should be done, and you worry about your own life..  it's not like GnR dictates what you do and you dictate what they should do.. come on, it's their lives, it's their band    you're screwed trying to get something out of a group of people who do their own thing that is dictated or ran or whatnot, by people actually IN THE BAND. in other words: stop complaining, if there would be no more gnr i'm sure you would be bitching about more stuff.... and if axl changes the name of the song, "oh no i don't like the song's name 'idon'tlikefans' from 'better'"   

I dunno, I think Ron and Frank have both been extremely positive additions to the band. They are both really balls out, creative guys. Everyone should be excited about what they bring to the table. Just because they didn't help create something doesn't mean they can't add anything meaningful to it. (ie, this band didn't write any of the old songs they play, but they play them superbly, addind their own touches)...

Do we know for sure that BH's parts has been removed? My feeling is that his parts have been duplicated by BBF (bumble has been in the band for a while now) for replacement. I highly doubt Axl will re-work BH parts.

We know nothing about whos parts have been replaced or whatever, all i can say is i think Ron is a great addition to CD, just listen to what he added to chinese democracy (the song)

what does the mixers do and how long time does it take?

they are all part of the band and were on tour so I dont see why they wouldnt get their own inputs on the album

Hmm... asking new members to tour for x number of years for music they had no part writing or recording, this seems like a bad idea...where have I heard it before?

The good news is that all of the recording for the album has been completed. Drummer Frank Ferrer and guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal integrated themselves into the recordings seamlessly and will have their presence felt.

seamlessly - does that equate to added to or replaced? as I cannot see the need to have two drummers drumming at once    ;)

It think it?s kinda shortsighted to downsize Ron?s achievements and abilities in comparison to Buckethead?s. Qualify Buckethead as ?the better musician? or ?one of the most talented ever? (hinting simultaneously at Ron being not). Maybe concerning people?s personal tastes he is and that?s fine. But reality doesn?t support such a one-sided conclusion.

Ron is broadly known (for just as many years) as a virtuoso of a similar or even greater caliber as Buckethead. His playing is some of the cleanest, craziest en technically proficient there is. He is one of the very few fretless masters, which demands the utmost from a player in terms of tonality and technique, something that always shines through when playing a conventional guitar. He has ?absolute pitch? and a photographic memory for music. Creatively he is heralded as one of the biggest forces since Zappa with his albums earning huge praises with the virtuoso crowd and especially fellow musicians (Satriani, Metheny, Holdsworth). Albums which are unquestionably more multidimensional than most Buckethead-records (and this is coming from a huge Buckethead fan), albums in which he takens even more on himself than Buckethead (in terms of producing etc.). I think it?s only fair that a current member with such a gigantic musical credibility as Ron?s should have some input on CD. Off course I hope Buckethead is on there too because he indeed is one of the greatest, but I rest assure (being a longtime fan of both) that Ron will have (at least) equally impressive contributions.

-PEACE-

Maybe one of the most ignorant posts i have ever seen.  I cannot someone actually tried to argue that Ron is anywhere close to as proficient as BH on guitar.  Just listen to the bootlegs, BH doesnt miss a note on anything, Ron shreds and it sounds like a mess compared to BH.  I am so sick of people saying BBF has Joe Satriani's approval, since when did Satriani become the basis of all guitar judgement.  So the guy is friends with Satriani, who cares.  BH in #8 on Guitar One's top shredders of all time http://www.randyciak.com/guitar/top_shredders_of_all_time.htm, notice how no one mentions BBF.  Guitar Player magazine consistently listed BH on their top 30 trailblazers and best experimental guitarist lists.

I have heard BBF's albums they are nu-metal schlock and impossible to get through.  I really dont get your argument or how you could say he is nearly as clean or technically proficient.  Just listen to the bad live, he misses notes all the time.  BH never missed a note.  Itll be a shame if they remove BH's parts because he played them perfectly.  BBF never has done anything close to the end of TWAT.

Also you want to know why all these guitar "masters" dont come out and talk about BH, its because hes nuts. He pisses people off cause he does things his own way.  Its the same reason a lot of Rock "masters" dont talk highly about Axl.  BBF's a better yes man im sure, but just listen to the music for yourself BH never missed a note.

you point out numerous times that buckethead never misses a note, which i after years of scientific research i have discovered has nothing to do with rock and roll. maybe ron missed a couple 32nd notes because he was jumping up and down and rocking out, meanwhile buckethead stand in place and wear a bucket on his head. so what has more place in guns n roses, a guy rocking out 24/7, or a guy with a bucket on his head.

for further study i've also come up with this list

1 - Bumblefoot
2 - some kind of trained squirrel
3 - ernest hemmingway
4 - Buckethead

as always,

Adam Guill

How about this then, if you cant play the notes while jumping around, stop jumping around and play the music.  If I want to see jumping around I'll go see a House of Pain reunion show.  Play the music right.  Its not even worth arguing since you can just look at their careers, even before GNR BH was well known and well respected.  His solo cds sell very well, BBF was playing in 300 person capacity night clubs in Jersey.  Popularity doesnt always mean everything, but most impartial people realize the amazing talent of BH.  Also I didnt hear many people moan and groan when BH did his solo's in fact I saw a ton of people at the concerts cheering for it.  WHen BBF came out to do solos at the concerts I went to he got Booed.  So maybe people would rather see a giant do breakdancing and play the notes right then a guy jumping around missing notes. 

you bring up a good point, but let me point out to you that buckethead wears a kfc bucket on his head.

also, yelling at me isn't gonna make buckethead suck any less.

plus, i bet you listen to dream theatre, which also sucks

Another stupid post cheers to you I love how most people here base there facts on fiction and for anyone that has seen GNR in 2002 and in 2006 ?like I have should no that BBF is a much better fit than bucket. aftre seing the guys numerous amounts of times this year this band is guns n roses plain ans simple.

I did like the Dream Theater/Queensyche event, ?any excuse to hear Geoff Tate I will take. ?Not a big fan of them. ?Oh, I am not arguing BH is better for GNR, he made this band look like a joke. ?I just want him on the CD because the end of TWAT is amazing. ?BH overshadowed (literally and figuratively) every other member in the band and just made Axl look more crazy. ?However, he is an amazing guitarist and helped write all these songs, if this album was released when it should have been he would probably still be in the band, also its not like replacing Paul Huge parts, its replacing one of the fastest guitarists ever parts.

BBF +Frank better for live show and better for fitting in

BH and Brain are better for recording and better all around players and wrote these song.

Axl says he's still on the album, enough for me.

Zakk Wylde wrote Bucket's solo at the end of TWAT.

where did that info come from ???

The same place all the info's coming from, just have to dig :hihi:

The fact that you need such assbackwards bullshit to make a half assed point, shows how much you are grasping for straws. Get some perspective before turning into some sort of crybaby who, in desperate need of argumentation, decides to call people ignorant. Show me what in my previous posts was untrue or ignorant, or leave the generic provocative nonsense at the door. I merely summed up some of Ron?s amazing abilities and achievements, it?s there for everybody to verify. I can?t help it that you have no perspective on what has been going on in the virtuoso scene in the past decade.


Believe it or not, but many people think that Ron is technically more proficient than Buckethead. He has crazier more exotic chops, seems to play less patterns and has some skills (like ?absolute pitch?) which are a huge advantages. Next to all the other things I?ve mentioned about him, he (for what it?s freakin? worth, but you seem to hold it in high regards) recorded faster sequences than Buckethead. He is a fretless master which tells you a lot about how incredibly developed his picking hand is (for exact positioning and shifts).


Buckethead misses his share of notes as well. The man is human, just like Ron. Next to all of this, Ron has every right to make Bucket?s solo his own. He doesn?t need to copy them one on one. It?s pretty weak to interpret mere stylistic differences as flaws, just to deform reality until it seems to fit with ones prejudicial bullshit.


Maybe you have an assbwackwards definition of a ?mess??


Since when is your ego inflated to the point that next to randomly calling fellow posters ignorant, you decided you were a better judge of guitar brilliance than Satriani?


Now I get it, you?re one of these popularity equals quality kind of types. That explains a lot. So you dismiss Satriani, but hold some list that reflects the interest of some on tempo-fixated mainstream guitar geeks as the gospel? But not only that, you totally delude yourself by using a list that (uneducated, which is illustrated by some of the other names like ?the Great Kat?) makes assumption based solely on the element ?tempo? to rate a player?s overall abilities and make some half assed point towards another? Very shallow! But hey, it?s not me introducing bullshit lists to make some sort of point and since you seem to get a kick out of them, here?s another list:

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-metal.html

The difference is that the the collective that was responsible for the DreamDoor-lists, being far from perfect. Have a set of criteria, depicting popularity, of which it?s clear (by the other names mentioned) it is the more (musically) educated, less shallow and especially broader orientated one.

 
And I could show you tons of lists with Ron on them, but in the end your lists as well as mine are about as relevant as the concept of collectively establishing whether red is a nicer color than blue. What?s important is that you are educated about your likes and dislikes. That?s where you start grasping for silly straws about list, mysterious missed notes, speed and call people ignorant who where already listening to these people when you didn?t even realize you were sharing the same planet with them.


Lol, nu-metal? Here you have a guy who explored everything in his work from nouveau flamenco, via blues, metal, punk to neo classicism, but you can only qualify it as nu-metal? Lol, you clearly haven?t heard anything.


I know you don?t get it. That?s why it?s so assbackwards for you to call anybody ignorant.


And since it?s pretty clear by now that your ignorance on BBF is encyclopedic, something tells me you are shortsighted yet again.


Lol plenty of ?masters? have commented on Buckethead. Both Buckethead and BBF have earned tons of praises from fellow virtuosos. Don?t worry I had a feeling that you weren?t that well educated on Buckethead as well.


Just like Bumblefoot. Don?t project your ignorance on others, we can?t help it that you were living under a rock during the past decade.


Both Buckethead and BBF are cult heroes. They don?t attract the so called impartial crowd. People with virtuoso guitar playing on their minds go to them and neither one of them is selling out stadiums by doing so. As a matter of fact quite a lot of people seem to enjoy both players for similar reasons.


Lol, back it up. I followed the past tour closely and saw them live too. I really can?t remember people booing Ron (at least not more than Buckethead was booed in the beginning), just increasing approval and respect. I don?t care about some sort of fantasy you have about the show you were at, it?s pretty obvious to me that you?re one of these people who only see those things that suit their wishful thinking. In that context one booing drunk person quickly becomes a whole stadium.

-PEACE-

oh my god, can anyone say PWND!!! ;D hahaha
ron rocks, best addition to gnr ever! :beer: he will take the band FAR! :peace:

Actually no- that came from an article from a while ago- back before TWAT was ever leaked.
It said Zakk wrote Bucket's solo in TWAT. I'll look for the article. 

A few home truths :~

1) This is not a 'band' record. The list of who has worked on this album over the years reads like a football team roster.

2) This is not really a 'band', so to speak. There is money involved, and contracts. GNR 2007 is a business, not a band. Although, it is a brand.

3) This is Axl's record, one hundred percent. The twenty guys who haved worked on this record could be replaced by twenty others and it wouldn't make a dime of difference. They are all hired help, no matter who they are or how good they are.

So, in light of the above, Frank and BBF being on the record changes nothing really and shouldn't be considered a surprise.

i added some actual truths to your post, you're welcome :beer:

Fuck off with the shit about this being all about Axl Rose.

It's a band.

You know, I meant no offence. I'm sorry if it came across that way.

I am a fan of the current GNR and I've been waiting for the album for as long as anybody...

well....

tommy, dizzy, robin, axl and chriss have been around since 1998 at least. that?s pretty much the contrary of "reading a football team roster"...

paul tobias is probably still working with the band and was a temporary guitarist only, until they found
the right one (richard fortus), who`s in the band now for 5 years.

brain is in the band for seven years and frank basically stepped in to avoid cancellations or conflicts of any kind, because of his family.

ron is new, that?s right.  : ok:

his influence on better and chinese democracy (life for now) is simply fantastic if you ask me. buckethead`s style is often too clean and unorganic for gnr.

Haha I see you respond to every point but never bring about any information whatsoever.  I think its funny that you ever try to argue that BBF is nearly as well accepted as BH.  Ok, how about this since you claim you have them, show me some lists that have BBF on them.  I was at the Cleveland show where it was the worst.  Ron definitely got booed and in 2002 at the show there were almost as much Buckethead chants as GNR chants.  There was a very large audience at the front wearing KFC buckets on their head.  Buckethead misses a lot less notes, i mean seriously you can view the videos on youtube, just go look at them and listen.

Also if you read any of the articles by masters about Buckethead most jsut deal with the fact that he is weird and odd, very few of them actually comment on his proficiency, in fact most articles about how great he is seem to have been writting when BH was in his last teens and just sending demos out to different guitar magazines.

You are right that BBF did a lot of experimental stuff, however, I found that sounded like bad Mr. Bungle and i really had no desire to listen to it.  This guys music has been compared to "Weird Al Yankovich" more than once.

How about this, show me a legitimate magazine or reviewer who liked BBF's music.  They may exist, i dont think ive ever stumbled upon them.  You wrote that entire message and actually managed to say nothing.

For those who like to read into things:

Brain's website (http://www.wayofthebrain.com/)


Listen to the background music and plot out a theory. It might have something to do with GNR... or not.

 :peace:

haha, i seriously doubt that has to do with brain, maybe buckethead :rofl:
but i doubt that since they are close friends... still funny shit though :hihi:

Yeah we found a secret Chris Pitman mention on that site once.

The image of Pitman ('Dude') or his message on Brain being converted to YASI?

leave it at that slipdisc...  he`s not worth the time :no:

no, i enjoy seeing slipdisc humiliating people with no clue ;D

Says the hypocrite who is under the impression that making one generic post after the other, providing no argumentation whatsoever, merely resorting to calling people ignorant in dire need of a coherent thought. You have no clue whether I provided information. Because you?re too afraid to be confronted (=read) with somebody discrediting what we all know (including you) is assbackwards bullshit.

Want to know how I can come to such a bold conclusion (about you not reading)?

Look:

?
Now look what I posted in my PREVIOUS post the one, according to you, contained no information:


However, like I said before (again in the post with no information, lol), I could care less about lists. For every music taste you can find a list that supports it, if you look long enough. I only care about being educated about ones dislikes and likes and that?s where you are a schoolbook example of a hypocrite. Not knowing anything about the people you either adore or diss, yet using some of the silliest and unfounded rhetoric ever uttered on this board.


Again, back it up. As long as it?s you repeating the same sentence over and over again you are making about as ?much? ?sense? (lol, there?s a euphemism) as during one of the first times I got a taste of your incredible assbackwards powers in this (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=29991.msg573533;topicseen#msg573533) thread (to this day still one of the jewels in HTGTH-history). Where you were literally asking people to stop singing along during concerts, lol. Get some sort of perspective on reality.


And I disagree. He doesn't miss notes more often. Again, like I said in ?the post with no information?, Ron doesn?t need to turn into a Buckethead playback machine. He has the right to have his own take on note selection, just like Buckethead made his own choices. It?s incredibly weak to time and time again try to turn mere stylistic differences into so called flaws just to support one?s own wishful thinking. Ron plays some of the meanest most fluid playing this band has ever produced.
 

Bollocks. Very many masters from, Gilbert to Cooley, have commented on Bucket?s technical proficiency. Serious dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Are we discussing the same people here?


Yeah, we all got a taste of your extensive exploration of his discography in your previous post when you summarized a guys work (spanning from nouveau flamenco to punk) as nu-metal. It?s pretty clear that you?re only desire lies in supporting your own fantasies.


How about you invest some time in finding them yourself, instead of relying on a strange mix of ignorance and uneducated guesses to shamefully discredit something you don?t know or understand? Don?t be so arrogant to assume I would invest one more minute of my time, trying to convince you. Everything is out there, and has been there for more than a decade. I provided this board (and you in these two posts) with enough information on numerous occasions. I have never seen critics refer to "Weird Al Yankovich", when confronted with Ron?s work. The one person to whom Ron?s incredible musicianship constantly gets compared is Frank Zappa, one of the biggest geniuses we had in the past century.


That?s because you weren?t looking for them. You were too busy ventilating prejudicial nonsense. What would you have done if you had found them? Change your mind? Seems a pretty far stretch to me.


And since we all could see that you: A) didn?t read 85% of it, B) didn?t understand the other 15%, C) resort to using the same pathetic rhetoric without any argumentation, D) couldn?t find a clue during clue mating season in a field of clues, if you smeared your body in musk and did the clue mating dance ? we all know how foolish that statement actually is. Thank you for being so transparent. If you have something to add to all of this, start actually reading my posts and start responding (unlike so far) to them (like I showed respect in extensively responding to your ?thoughts?). Instead giving me the same prejudicial and ignorant treatment you have been giving both Ron and Buckethead here.

-PEACE-

Ps.


Lol, you?re probably right?? :hihi:

I did provide plenty of evidence, you provided one poll.  I am not spending the time to comment on your opinions because they disagree with logic, lets talk about the one list you provided as evidence.

The most telling thing about this list is that if you click on the "Greatest Frontmen of Rock" Axl is 32 behind the likes of Chuck D of public enemy and Madonna.  Nice source their bud, yeah they really have strong criteria.  Madonna apparently is a better rock frontman than Axl... great source, but since you trust so highly in the lists criteria i highly suggest you go check out the Material Girls forums. 

Rest of your points are as illogical as the lists on the site you quoted.  (btw they had Slash at 42? really doubt gnr fans will buy into that one.)

slipdisc, keep in mind that you are debating the same guy who not only told people to stop singing along to songs at concerts, but yesterday managed to claim axl is only after money (we can all see axl has been spewing out half-assed albums for the past 14 years just to make cash), so don't expect a healthy debate with him. bumblefoot is a perfect replacement for buckethead, and perhaps one of the few people axl could have gotten a hold of that can actually make a good replacement for buckethead, possibly even better! :beer:

this guy was bitching when bbf joined the band as well. He didn't know bbf's work, he doesnt know and he still talks. He loves being owned, lol. He isn't that intelligent I can see. He keeps getting owned and still keeps talking about what he has no clue.
then, after all that, he thinks that he is intelligent and everyone here "don't use logic".

I doubt that very much.  That would be absolutely pointless because if Bumblefoot simple re-recorded Bucket's parts, Bucket would still have to receive writing credits and still get paid so it doesn't serve any purpose

The only way to keep Bucket from getting writing credits and royalties would be to delete everything he wrote and re-record it entirely.  Not only would that be a potentially lengthy process, it would also be a damn shame.  His TWAT solo is one of the best GnR solos of all time

You provided shit. I provided you with tons of argumentation, however you?re too much of a coward to respectfully respond to any of it. Just some wishful thinking and one generic remark after the other. First you introduce the assbackwards concept of using half assed lists to somehow prove a point, to support your own wishful thinking. When I present you with another list (because it?s clear you need them, to define your taste in music), you start attacking me on it. Dissecting it, like it?s some sort of essential pillar under my rhetoric.

I told you time and time again that I don?t care for any list coming from anybody, whether it?s yours or mine. Lists are for people who have no argumentation concerning their likes and dislikes, looking for something to cling onto. People who mistake popularity with quality and let their own definition of quality being defined by a bunch of strangers. Strangers of whom they hope and think they know more about the topic at hand. Lists are for people like you.


You?re not responding (just like this post of yours is in no way a response to anything) because you can?t, simple as that. You can only maintain yourself in discussion where spreading vast amounts of ignorance is a forte.


Like I told you before, I?m not going to respond to your pathetic analysis of a list I don?t care about in the first place. For every taste, there?s a list to out there that can support it. The only reason the list was mentioned was because you needed it so badly (as you?re whole rhetoric is based on it).


As long as you are unable to put any backbone behind such a bold claim, you?re sounding like a complete crybaby. How about you finally responding to any of them, instead of fleeing like a first class coward or blatantly making up points (like the list bullshit) you can work with, but in no way represent the other?s opinion? Again, good luck with responding to any of my previous posts.

So far, you suck at it.

-PEACE-

Ps.


Don?t worry, I know who he is. It?s funny to see him twist and turn and grasp for straws, but now I?m done. Looking at the time it takes for him to respond to anything, he should be busy answering my previous posts (and this one) until next year. I?m not going to give him the satisfaction of yet again responding to his clueless BS, while he totally ignores everything and starts making up points. He really enjoys being owned (probably because it's a feeling he knows all too well), therefore I'm not going to provide in his masochistic needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtc6E02_rqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqrFesMGtvA

Well I prefer to let the music stand for itself, the reason i can only comment on your poll is because you have no arguments.  Its really quite humorous.  I mean if this is a competition for most profanity, you win.  I tend to just have conversations without saying baseless personal attacks.  It takes a real hard ass to do that on the net.  Not much to respond to when 95% of the persons post is the word "assbackwards" how about you post one critic, musicians, or polls opinion that has BBF above BH.  You posted one, but it also said Chuck D was a better rock frontman than Axl so i highly mistrust that.  I understand youre probably like 15 and have a bunch of built up sexual tension and you have no way of release, my suggestion is to not use the message boards as a place to get rid of anger, but rather get a girlfriend or play a sport.

To me BBF's solos live sound like just noise, i know some people liked his Dont Cry, i must not have gotten it.  BH's sounded great.  I dont judge by jus t popularity, but something is to be said of it when two artists are in the same genre and one is headling US tours and the other is playing 300 person capacity clubs..  If you read a bit in depth youd see i didnt say "i hate bbf" or he shouldnt be in the band.  It simply said I dont think he should be on the album unless he is totally needed.  I also said I really hope BH's parts arent taken off.

If you concentrated more on reading other posts rather than writing assbackwards 50 times you would see I even said BBF and Frank are better for GNR.

Maybe rather than using your adolescent rage on this message board you should develop a hobby like porn.  Also if anyone couldnt tell the post about people not singing was a total joke, I merely found it funny that people took it so seriously.  I was joking about how every bootleg had some drunked guy mumbling the words to the song. 

Also if someone uses the phrase "owned" they are under 17 and have never had sex im pretty sure its a biological fact.

hmm well the clip of rons solo isnt the best in the world, as its just from a cam,  but BH's is from a soundboard .....

Id go with BBF personally being better

CJ

what has that got to do with it? :no:
sounds like the insecure one is you
"oh i'm so cool i've had sex" - now that's the thoughts of a 17 year old
but i wouldn't expect anything else coming from you
you just get sadder and sadder
stop sonning yourself before you get hurt

Well yeah i know I cant find a good short solo clip of bbf that is proshot thats not Dont Cry, which i wasnt that impressed with, if you find one of him shredding thats proshot i would actually want to see it.  I saw them live, seen and heard them play and BH to me was clearly better.  Maybe there are critics who liek BBF better, however almost every poll ive seen and most musicians I have heard talk about BH always mention his unique ability on guitar.  Whenever they talk about BBf they always say "Satriani likes him."  I am sure there are people on here who went to both Cleveland shows and they should be able to backup the crowd reaction at the shows.

Ok now onto this post.  I dont know why I reply to it, but its a perfect example of what im talking about.  How am I going to get hurt.  My point about age is the level of the insults and the fact that it has been biologically and socially proven that part of the reason for adolescent rage is due to our biological impulse to have sex at puberty, but society proventing people from having sex.  Now I dont know why I expected you to actually read my post or comprehend basic simple sentences or the fact that I am joking about the level of intellect it takes to say "owned".  The fact that you use the word sonning and you are not referring to the small British town on the Thames just shows the level of your intellect and how fake you are.  Your language is fraudulant and pathetic.  The urban vernacular you use on a Guns N' Roses forum just shows what type of person you are.

Getting mad at a message board is a pure cry for help, especially the need to feel superior to others. If you arent getting the love you need in your life there is match.com or Eharmony.com, they will find a partner for anyone. 

If you really feel the need to make baseless threats/insults/cuss words/ ebonics etc... feel free to pm me or instant message me on Aim, Axlrose4eva.  The final semester of LLM classes and clerking for a judge can be quite boring with little to do so I am on quite often.  Seriously though, your comments make very little reference to any issue "Wow I like owning"  "you are getting sonned" etc... are pretty worthless.  I actually would like to discuss Frank and BBF being on the album, if you want to discuss physical or mental altercations thats fine, but lets not do it on this message board in a thread.  Its unfair to others.

speaking as a musician myself, so i think that makes me a fair judge of their talent. i'll see if i can break it down for you.

Bumblefoot

bumblefoot has a lot more creativity and musicality in his playing.
has a more diverse varieties of style to his playing,
shreds at a higher NPS,
can play faster than the human ear can hear.
has a lovely singing voice.
fresh pine scent
enemy of cobra

Buckethead

Wears a bucket on his head.
has rough sex with other men


there, hope that helps

wow. he just tore him a new hole. then raped and shat in that hole.
although you used the word "assbackwards" to much, gummyfish gives his approal.

                                            --gummyfish--

That is a very good point. I guess we will see.
Not sure what you mean, though, by "too cool."

hell no he would take time off to hang out with some fucking baby, babies are fucking boring

No, they are not boring. They are noisy and annoying, and shit all the time.  :hihi:

Did you guys read what it says about GN'R in the site?  It says from 2000 to 2003 her toured and recorded with the new incarnation of GN'R and toured the world with them in 2002.  It also says something to the affect of for their forthcoming cd Chinese Democracy.  The key word is "their" forthcoming cd.  He's officially out and that's ok.  Frank happy to have ya!

we must also consider that having frank ensures that there is beard on this album. sure robin has one now, but it is weak, and we have no way of know if he did any recording post beard growth. and axl and ron's goatees don't count, because as we all know, a goatee is just a beard with low self esteem

Speaking as a musician myself, i really couldnt care less about shredding.  Wow Ron can play 28 nps, so i guess Francesco Fareri and Rusty Cooley were your first choices for GnR considering 33's are well documented from them.  As a musician you think youd be able to understand that speed means nothing or that BH and BBF have two different styles.  Musicality is opinion and one where when making comparisons I think popularity is an important variable.  BH's guitar alone is popular enough to get put on Gutiar Hero 2.  However, as for your "faster shredding and more NPS" it again should be noted that they play two very different styles and BH's NPS is actually not really known with many speculating it could be as high as 30, but I was only able to find a person who was able to break down a training tape.  Paus and Satriani are both only clocked in the teens but most people estimate they hit the mid 30's consistently.  So the fact that Ron can play a documented 28 nps means nothing to me.  If you need me to go into depth about alternative picking etc... i can, but seriously there comes a point where its so fast it sounds like trash and thats why most of the speed legends like to stay around 17 nps for their shreds and why Guinness got rid of the fastest guitar player record.  Anything over 15 is pretty equal sounding to me, but maybe you arent human and are some subspecies capable of picking up these notes humans cannot hear.

Guitarone ranked BH as being faster than BBF, but who cares.  Bruce Lee was forced to slow down and so are guitarists.

The fact is the "greatest" guitarist debate wages on almost every guitar website.  I rarely play guitar anymore, more into violin now, but I visit these blogs every now and then and I never see people arguing that BBF is up there with BH, whether it be http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=13736 or http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-296147.html where some fans compare the all finger tapping BH to Hendrix and others say he is a wannabe slash.

However on BBF threads you see a ton of people who like BBF.  http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-338106.html.  However, you see lines like this, which I believe Slipdisc actually wrote,  "Like Buckethead, and all other well versed virtuosos" or "Don't get me wrong, Buckethead is amazing, but he's a freak. Thal has dropped his little oddities for now and i hope he stays in GnR for a long time." 95% of reviews are positive with the occassional "I never really listened to Ron Thal properly until tonight when I saw him at the GN'R show in Dublin. I was disapointed in him to be honest. His solo with the bumblefoot guitar was utter shit. It just didn't flow and sounded out of key in a lot of places. I just got the impression that he didn't really care or have any motivation to be playing." ( I dont get this one, but someone said it.) 

However, the thing you dont see are people ever putting him up there with the greatest guitarists ever, in fact you see things like "I saw him play with Guthrie, it was like watching a school boy face off against John McLaughlin. Guthrie emerged victorious. So he's still a guitar god. Well maybe not god. But he's up there."  Where are BH gets a lot of hate from people who know about guitar, but also a lot of people who know a lot about guitar list BH at the top of their list of guitarists all time.  Everyone who has ears and eyes for talent can say that BH's tapping is ridiculously good.  I guess I always feel that the truly amazing people are either loved the most or hated the most, I mean thats how Axl is.

However, what should seem evident to people and the reason I posted to begin with is that BBF has had it easy with GNR, its been all tours and parties.  Look at what BH and Brain had to put up with.  Who knows if BBF would have.  The honeymoon is sweet, but when youre in a band for 2 years and have no new albums (especiall a workaholic like BH who can release 13 albums in one day and sign them) and you go on tour and then the tour gets cancelled, and you still have no album and no plans for another tour, what are you supposed to do.  IMO BH and Brain put a lot more into this than Frank and BBF and therefore the ladder should not replace any of their parts if that has happened or is being tossed around.  If they added something its over now, my complaint about that was that it takes time, as long as thats over thats fine by me. (as if my opinion mattered)  You can argue all you want with nonsense, but to me that solo at the end of TWAT is BH and it would totally be wrong for him to not get credit for it.

The guitarists I enjoy Gambale, Timmons, Gambale, Slash, Finck, Eric Johnson dont go for speed.  (Btw in a list of my favorite guitarists in this band top 3 would be Finck, Slash, Izzy so neither of these guys) but Thats why I love BH cause he could do both, it is so unreal.  He is the only guitarist whose music i can play to non guitar fans and they enjoy it.  I have no clue about people you guys know, but guys who listen primarily to rap or nu rock, i can play BH's solo work and they love it.  Not to mention its pretty cool the guy released 13 albums in one day.

I can't really get too into the BBF/BH debates. To me they are both amazingly talented and plenty knowledgeable and creative. I just can't think of much either of these guys couldn't do with a guitar, and so it seems to me that espescially when coupled with the other two guys on stage with them, it'll turn out great. I listen to Bumble's "guitars suck" or something like that, and i just think hell yeah, let the guy play - he knows how. I had great feelings about BH too, sure, but he's not in the band now, so i'll trust Axl and the rest of the band to do what's right. They would know better than me who 'deserves' to be on the album.
I don't doubt that Ron has been a good addition to the band.

i'm gonna be honest and say i didn't read your post. i'll there for assume you talked about how you killed a homeless man to get an erection and then used that erection to have sex with a wild goat. do you seriously need to write a novel every time someone makes a crack at buckethead?

bumble and bucket are both good guitarist, one of them is in guns n roses, and the other will probably never be again. guns in 2002, with buckethead, really pretty much sucked. in 2006, they rock, hard. they're a band now with a sense of unity and community, the playing is tight and soulful, consistantly. 2002 guns was a rag tag collective of studio musicians and were almost embarassing on theyre worse night, and just pretty good when they were on top of their game. the worst performance from 2006 will kick the shit out of the best 2002 preformance. buckethead was a very talented guitar player, but his attitude impaired the bands sense of self. he was an outsider before during and after his time with the band, and his presense prevented them from reaching their full potential.

he had the techincal proficientcy, but he didn't have the heart or the attitude. its something you're born with. you can't be taught to rock, it is the modern day equivilent of the warrior spirit, and you robots will never understand what it truly mean to rock

I generally agree with your point. 2006 GN'R blew 2002 GN'R out of the water... BUT I still think RIR III (2001) and MSG (2002) are two of the best GN'R shows ever. In fact, having seen GN'R in the New York area in 1991 (Uniondale), 1992 (Giants Stadium), 2002 (MSG) and 2006 (Hammerstein) respectively... I easily rank the 2002 MSG show as the band's best performance out of the four. There's no escaping the fact though that the MSG (2002) show was a RARE exception in a tour and era that is better off forgotten. However, at least when it comes to live performances... I can't really lay that at Buckethead's door- I thought, and seemed like many other fans also thought, that BH brought a "presence" and a multitude of "WOW" moments to the GN'R shows those days... waiting for BH solos at least for me.... was something like waiting for Slash's solos back in the day. It was a part of the concert to look forward to- not make a beer run.

Anyway, I love Axl as much as anyone, but I think GN'R's weak performances in 2002 were mostly chalked up to his being overweight, voiceless and eratic. Axl also has to shoulder the blame for the disasterous 2002 VMA performance, which seemed to just derail the tour and whatever the hell else GN'R was trying to accomplish back then from the start.

At any rate, as we hit 2007- all of that is in the past. Axl is 100% improved in all regards (as good if not better than the UYI days IMHO). Robin has stepped up his game considerably (becoming a crowd pleasing performer and THE lead guitarist of Guns N' Roses IMHO) and the overall band chemistry seems to be 1000x stronger (which requires a special thank you to Richard, BBF and Frank- all of whom have seemingly helped steady the ship considerably).

i strongly suggest you refrain from judging me before you know me. my race has fuck all to do with this, so lay off the "ebonics" criticism like you are some kind of snob, and at the same time you should understand that guns n' roses were urban and dirty, so crusifying someone for using urban slang on a forum for a group that basically decended from the gutter just shows me what kind of disguisting snob you are. now onto the intellect issue. i don't see how that is relevant to what we talked about, but seeing as you obviously like to gloat and show off your so-called intellect, i feel a need to address it. i think i can make the assumption that my intellect is far superior to yours, i just don't see any point in showing it off. you have disproved your intellect too many times for me to take your comment seriously, how many times are you going to make groundless accusations and baseless posts about things you know nothing about? you spew out all these half-assed claims about musicians you haven't even listened to in deptht, let alone ever met, so how do you expect me to take you seriously anymore? afterall, your posts get dumber by the day. furthermore, it just proves my point further that the focus of this posts was mainly about my language, as you seemed to be under the assumption that you somehow had the upper-hand intellectually because i don't use this type of language in my everyday life, but as you can see i'm very much capable of it. again, you make a fool of yourself. when are you going to realize that your snobbish gloating of your non-existant intellect and your baseless and missing knowledge about bbf and buckethead will get you nowhere? just give it up, you are getting sadder by the day and i fear that if i have to keep doing this to you then your self esteem will probably be beyond repair.

well i like both drumers,but i don't know what did happen with brian.
Did axl say something about him?

I think if you actually took 2 minutes to read my post you would realize that I said this exact same thing.  I never said I think BH was better for GNR.  However, if you read my post, or went to any of the sites or read the documented NPS, and techniques (which for some reason people here dont address) you would understand all i was saying is in the guitar world BH is respected by many as one of the greatest of all time, or one of the worst.  BBF is usually considered as a great guitarist, but for whatever the reason he is usually not considered in the absolute top of guitarists.  Also I said clearly I WANT BBF AND FRANK over BH and BRAIN the former is a much better fit.

Axlgurl is just totally not worth responding to, you can pm me or im me, but the need to say things one a board such as, "my race has fuck all to do with this" just proves my point.  The fact that you think you could possibly hurt my self esteem is pretty funny.  You have said nothing that shows you have any knowledge about guitar.  I have discussed their techniques, their speed, given links to discussions about these two and given my opinion about their sound and musicality noting very well that these are subjective.  So to say that what I say is baseless without addressing any facts or providing substance is just ignorant.  The funny thing is you arent even responding to the point of my post, that I think BH's parts should be kept on the album.  I knew of Ron before he got to GNR and I thought he wasnt a good fit, he proved me wrong.  He put aside a lot of his "odd behavior" and really fits with the band.  I would take Ron and Frank over BH and Brain, however, I just said I think BH and Brain are more talented, more universally accepted outside of GNR and they did a lot for GNR and shouldnt be removed from the album.  You can disagree with that point all you want.  I also think ebonics is a foolish way for people to express themselves and that words like "sonning" are nonsense, if thats the only way you can express yourself then thats fine, but do so off this message board, again pm me, or Axlrose4eva on AIM.  Your need to attack on a message board just shows cowardice and a need for approval.  Lets just keep this discussion to BBF and Frank on the album and if people think they should be. 

Also i dont know if Brain is gone, but I just dont see a way you can have two drummers, if he really is on break for his child then i really respect that, however, im guessing he feels isolated on tour having lost the guy he really connected with.  Sadly I always felt that "brain" was a hired gun and never got into the "band".  I have no evidence for that, just the way he sounded in interviews and presented himself in concert.  Still I have liked Brain as a drummer since well before he was in GNR and I will definitely listen to his other projects,.

Children! Children!

settle down or there will be no jello for anyone!

i'm not going to sink to your level and call you a coward for no reason. nor am i going to get into this ridicilous flaming war with your desperate ass, you are a living joke on this board. just go away. i have never in my whole life claimed to know much about guitars so why the fuck would you say i did? i just defended bbf against your baseless attacks. you on the other hand engage in a debate you are doomed to lose from scratch. just go away, save yourself another humiliation.

Ok well I looked at Axlgurl's posts, quite a funny experience. She joined the forum 3 weeks ago and 75% of her posts have been in threads entitled "Say something about the person below you" or the classic "say something about the person above you."  I have not seen a post that reflects any knowledge whatsoever or that does not use some sort of profanity.  In case youre wondering where the other posts come from, they either are one line posts such as the classic "OMG OWNED", or the brilliant "OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT,"  or they are posts that insult members who are actually trying to discuss topics.  Since I am not one to make meaningless insults or threaten people on a message board and since you refuse to take your insulting of me off this board or to private messages I will respond to your one post with any substance, however, to be fair it does tell a member that "they dont even deserve to be a fan."

This post that claims to be "actual truths" and ridicules a member is completely wrong.  I posted a case where Geffen goes into the details about the recording agreement.  You sacastically said "we have an insider."  Well I am not an insider but I am a guy with a law degree who can read a contract and a case, the case is posted if you want to check it out.  In it Geffen and the court clearly state that Axl is the only member of Guns N' Roses, he has had opportunites to add people to the band legally and has chosen not to.  Axl has a record contract, everyone else has a contract with Axl, to me that makes this Axl's band.  Throughout the history of GNR there has been one constant, Axl.  To ridicule a poster for saying that no matter the talent of the bandmate, this is Axl's band is wrong.  This poster is a fan and has every right to their opinion, however, their opinion is backed up by the fact that Axl is the sole possessor of a recording contract, and of any trademark, and of the never-ending carousel of musicians brought in on this project.  People are not "off board" if they realize that Axl is in total control.  The rest of the band are his "employees."  I mean you could argue the definition of band and disagree with this poster (like i do) that a band is not just about control or direction, but rather musician interaction.  Instead you insult and ridicule.

I enjoy posting on message boards and discussing topics I care about and I am sure most people here do as well, but too many people feel the need to use profanity, baseless personal attacks and telling people to "get off the board" and that they "arent fans."  The truth is the people who make personal attacks rarely have anything of value to say.  I dont care how vicious someone is about a point or how adamantly they disagree with a comment, hell bash a comment all you want, but why make threats like "youre going to get hurt." 

I really just believe you are on the wrong board.  If you want to talk about the struggles black people have gone through, the talent of Eminem, discuss whether there is a God, or participate mainly in threads where you post one liners about the poster above or below you; I really think there are better boards out there for these topics.

I personally would really like to hear from Slipdisc because I read his post on UG (or at least its quoted to him) and it seems to suggest that BBF is an adequate replacement for BH and that BH was great.  On here though he seems crazily defensive about BBF being better than BH so I am a bit confused about his protests.  Also, I think that BBF's different techniques create different sounds that BH, I am curious if he thinks BBF's sound on TWAT would be better than BH's and why? To me the tonality sounds very different and I really hope it doesnt go a different direction.  Truthfully I would rather have Finck on that, because it sounds more melodic than what BBF appears to focus on.  I do think BBF is one of the few guys on earth who could fill BH's shoes and he even adds some to some of BH's parts.  Also he is much more "GNR" than BH.  Plus I feel BH deserves to be on his own since he is a show all by himself.  I dont even know in what capacity BBF recorded, however, again my main point is I really hope it wasnt extensive or rerecording all of BH's solos, because i love the leaks and dont want grand changes.

your lies disguist me. how do you live with yourself knowing you are sitting there lying? that is just sad and incredibly pathetic :no:
anyone can go through my posts and see i never insult, let alone threaten, what is wrong with you? seriously, you need help.
last night slipdisc told me in PM he actually liked my posts, and he keeps making you look like a fool, so there you go.
i'm sick of this arguing, and i'm sick of you. your arrogance shines through in every single post and it disguists me. liar.

edit: SERIOUSLY, I CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT A GROWN MAN IS SITTING THERE MAKING UP BLATANT LIES ABOUT ME. HOW DOES IT FEEL TO KNOW YOU ARE A LIAR?

i've never made an insult or threat on this board and i'm sick of being harrased by this grown man online. just go away, i'm not sinking to your level by responding to you or acknowleding you ever again.

edit 2: and the fact that you went through all of my posts just to try to dig up some dirt on me and still had to lie about it pretty much proves everything i, slipdisc and a shitload of other people on this board have said about you. you are a joke on this board.

 ??? that's wierd....quality's not very good. Seems like it was put up there to make a point or something  :nervous:

Enough with the bullshit. Just who is GNR's drummer? Frank or Brain? Yeah yeah, they are both apart of the GNR family...(very politically correct) but we all know a band doesnt use two drummers on stage.

Yes. Very good question indeed.

I don't think we should rule out Adler either. Now that him and Axl seemed to have made up some, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE !    :beer:


/bringbackadler

Of course. And I have 15 wild badgers in my trousers.

No Adler.. A junkie who makes a 100% effort to get better is one thing. A junkie who chooses to stay that way I don't want to support in any way.

Brain said "we (=guns n roses) will rock the world this year" and mysteron said he would be back. well maybe the wording was a bit different.


I don't know about the future.  :P

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you speak, pal !

Do you have any credible proof that Steven is not clean these days.

Alot of the after affects (ex. - slurred speech) you see today are from the past not present.

Steve is beyond his demons now and is ready to face the future !

I am more than confident in Steve's ability to play w/ GN'R in the very near future !


/bringbackadler

Adler is the man I would love it if he joined the band, also all the haters who dislike the new band would have to shutup.  Cause Matt's not an original hes the same as Dizzy (actually less).  So vr would just be Slash/Duff and GNR would be Axl/Adler/Dizzy and I know the mods hate it when you say it, but wouldnt it be incredible if Izzy played on 1 or 2 songs.  Who would need a reunion then.

Still right now I am guessing Brain is under a contract to probably 2008 or something, but has voiced that he doesnt want to be on tour right now for whatever reason.  I am guessing that Frank right now is THE drummer.  No one but Axl and Brain probably know exactly what is going on.  Frank is a competent replacement, he sounded good when I saw him live and seemed to be happy. 

This is Axl's band and I think when he started out he got a lot of guys who were very powerful, well known personalities.  That doesnt fit when one man is the leader.  GNR is as much a democracy as China.

If Adler would be willing to get on board with Axl and pretty much do what Axl says and he can still play all the parts I say go for it.  I would love to see Adler in the band if he can play everything.  I really respect that he has been out there touring and seems to have gotten his life together when a lot of guys would have slipped away.

when was that?

Youre Adler arent you. This nonsense could only come from someone that far away from reality.

Is it Frank?s beard that important? :o

Until we hear otherwise... I for one assume that Frank Ferrer will be behind the kit when the new tour kicks off... otherwise, I don't quite understand the rush to get him on to the album (and incur all that cost and delay) if Brain is just going to return and play the next 70 shows or whatever. I think they've kind of "left the door open" for Brain to return if he wants (kind of like they left it with Duff in mid/late 90's)- but are basically moving on. But... we'll soon find out.

NO way Adler returns. Substance abuse aside- he's a loud mouth who would bascially be busting Axl's balls every night to reform the old band. Can't imagine that's a good fit. In my eyes- Axl already pulled the biggest coup possible by patching things up with Izzy and getting him on stage with the new band- and the fact that Izzy and Fortus get along so well apparently is amazing too. I've always kind of viewed Izzy as the "keeper" of the old band's soul in a lot ways (especially considering there hasn't been a Guns record of original material since he strolled out the door...)- and if he's given his endorsement to what Axl's doing.... then that's all that's needed IMHO.

I find both of these guys to be competent musicians who've played they're asses off thus far w/ Guns. I feel they have every right to be on the record.

i also think its pretty cool that we are getting some interviews and stuff from these new guys.. even if they are short its a good thing since we haven't had all that many interviews in the last few years!

It's not really that cool.

They never say much about the band or album ?



/bringbackadler

you are absolutely delusional.

No, not delusional.

Just old enough that I can remember the original members.

I don't expect you to understand, Jimbo !


/bringbackadler

dude adler has nothing to do with this thread at all.   

go troll for the fucking ex members here
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=12.0