Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17168544/?GT1=9033

nope...
they used enough hairspray in the 80s to probably have an ozon hole named after GNR...
best leave the green issue for the gay bands and U2.

Yes

If they believe in this cause, than yes they should perform.  :smoking:

I'm guessing you're a cliche dissenting republican?

...fuck yes they should do this. They'd be stupid not to.

FIGHT MANBEARPIG!!!!

Edit - If being a 'political band' makes a band suck, then I guess GN'R have sucked since 1991 when they made that one 8+ minute song called 'Civil War'.

I think this would be a good idea. People will see something complety differnt(better) than the WMAs.
And GnR have not something like since FarmAid, have they?

Definite possiblity. I can see them being in Rio de Janeiro around that time to play the show there...

YES ,FIGHT MANBEARPIG!!!!!!

Damn, Al Gore is getting old.

well acording to Al's plan, Guns would HAVE to do it for it to work? : ok:

edit----- like the date 07/07/07  :rofl:

No.

Music will never change world politics (and thats what this is trying to do).. most bands who become involved with stuff today are seen as doing nothing more than raising thier profiles. Donating or playing for charity, maybe.. as long at there are no political agendas at work. This would have worked back in the '80s (see Band/Live Aid) when bands where seen as doing something for others (it wasn't a cliche back then.)

I won't go on (there is no point.. there are people who think it is a good idea, and thats fine.)

A cash cow ppl.. thats all.

Axl needs a cash cow.

well it would be good publicity so yeah i think it would be good for them to get in on this seeing as how many people now more than ever seem to care about the environment now a days : ok:

CHINESE DEMOCRACY for a better cleaner planet ;)

So do I dammit.

If Guns believe in the cause, they should do it.  If they don't , thats OK too. Unfortunately, there are political strings attached.

NO. ABSOLUTELY. NOT.

awwwww.....how cute......another wittle movement that all da wittle 'actors' and 'musicians' can rally around. This is a cash cow that suffers from mad cash cow disease, also known as head in ass disease.

When Axl visits a cancer ward on his own, that's heartwarming and brilliant.

When all of those actors musicians and press people had an event and DROVE THERE IN THEIR CARS, it's kinda like.....f**king for virginity, right?

Why on earth would anyone want this to be a political band, thats an awful idea.  Why alienate part of your audience.  I know people who lost their jobs thanks to green politics, you wanna tell those people that its ok cause the environments better because of it.  Bands that do this stuff are sellouts and never know what they are talking about.  These bands should go to Akron, Ohio which is in complete poverty because of the environmentalist movement.  Every action has an equal and opposite reaction and bands that do this stuff never think about the people who are hurt by these things.  Its easy for rich musicians to say that companies should make cutbacks and we shouldnt use certain coals and cut down trees, but its a little harder for the factory worker, coal miner and lumberjack.  So my advice would be to stay out of politics, its what old, washed up bands do.  Theres already Bono the world doesnt need another washed up musician who knows nothing about politics trying to tell people whats best for them.  Play music for fun and for feeling, because in the end thats all people want.

i can think of two reasons. the first begins with 'eye' and ends with 'rack'

the second begins with george and ends with bush. there could never be a better time to get political. imho. i guess if your on the other side of the world your men and women aren't dying for oil and your country isnt the laughing stalk of Europe and the rest of the world.

They might do it.  It's not impossible.  They're a pretty socially minded band.

I agree...I'm super, super serial.


Maybe not everything has to be about "eyerack" and Bush and oil?  I like my rock n' roll about loose women and fast livin', among other things. 

I agree. Obviously, helping people is always a good act (in fact, most of the GNR members have helped people in the past), but I dont want GNR to convert gradually in a band like U2. I dont want Axl to sound like fucking Bono in his rants or every time he appears on the media.

Rock bands need to be rock bands, not cheap political demagogy.

well its not like every show out of the 100+ they do is some kind of political thing. if they were to do this and it makes you feel better just leave your tv off on 07/07/07.  :rofl:

its entirely posible to buy the album, enjoy the music on the radio and mtv and just ignore the benefit stuff. i didnt hear anyone bitchin about the 'fashion' gig. isnt that supposed to be girly? i dont think it is, but with this kind of logic give me a break. were talking about a dying planet and dying people. why weren't you bitchin about your hard rock band doing a fashion designer gig?

see that goes to show what you dont know about your man. maybe youre not old enough but i could dig up some shit in youtube. he has ALWAYS ranted about 'the powers that be' and look where it got us. if you think hes gonna sit back and let them take us to hell in a hand basket without a fight, you better think again. i'd bet after the release he'll start the rants again. most of you have never seen the lion out of his cage.

Its pretty simple-minded to equate a performance at an event raising awareness for a particular issue to being a "political band."  I suppose you already view Axl as a political musician since he participated in the Michael J. Fox charity dinner and declared his support for stem-cell research?  And their performance at Farm Aid in 1989?  Apparently theyve been a political band for 18 years. 


Because they believe in the cause and would rather not sell out their own beliefs to placate some dim contingent of their fanbase?


1. How are they sellouts?

2. They may or may not know what theyre talking about - they are citizens after all.  But to suggest they should keep their opinions to themselves because theyre famous is asinine.  Based on your post, Id contend that you dont know what youre talking about - that wont stop you from posting, will it?


Pharrell, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Snoop Dogg, Lenny Kravitz, Bon Jovi, Paolo Nutini, Sheryl Crow, AFI, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Damien Rice, Corrine Bailey Rae, Duran Duran, Snow Patrol, John Legend, Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Fall Out Boy, Mana, Keane, Kelly Clarkson, Korn, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, Ray LaMontagne, Robin Thicke, and Kenna.

: ok:



Really?  Then by your logic, nobody will be attending these concerts.  But what if they do?  Then will it be safe to say that you dont know what youre talking about?

and those are just the bands signed on as of now. this is gonna be huge. who'da thought? the guy who admitted to inhaling comes out of left field as the organizer of the hugest multi-concert event to ever occur at one time. Guns would HAVE to be part of this.

Producer-singer Pharrell Williams says the 24-hour concert July 7 will be "the biggest party on Earth."

For the record, I wasn't bitching.  I think there's a big difference between playing a show for a cause, on one hand, and being a political band, on the other.  I was simply saying that an overtly political album would be odd for GNR.

i totally feel ya'. and i'm just saying there never WAS a reason til now. so it might be odd, but not out of the question. course only about 17% of the members here might SEE that reason. the rest might not see it unless it looks like this in their mail box......

(http://z.about.com/d/usmilitary/1/0/e/c/sss-2.jpg)  :rofl:

or this out their front window......

(http://hydrology.rice.edu/Storms_2006/photos/2006/Katrina_wind.jpg)

 :rofl:

No selling out, please.

Explain why this would be selling out.  Was the Michael J. Fox event selling out?  Farm Aid?

Taking part in big charities bring in more money than anything else, indirectly. By all means, support the cause, but don't go screaming to the whole world how 'good' you are. That's one of the worst sell outs I can think of.

I think it would be great for them to play, massive exposure. Its being broadcasted live on tv worldwide and the internet apparently (Radio 1 news UK)

How funny is this...in the 80's that bitch wife of Al Gore goes all out against the music business with censorship and stickers on records... then some 20 years later and a failed attempt at being president the next bandwagon comes along, the agendas shift. ...and hey!!! the Gores are Rock n' Rollers now!!! how fuckin' considerate of them. Good luck on Saving the world Al.

Maybe someone could organize a one way ticket through the hole in the ozone for Al and his family that hypocritcle prick.

Pharrell, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Snoop Dogg, Lenny Kravitz, Bon Jovi, Paolo Nutini, Sheryl Crow, AFI, Melissa Etheridge, John Mayer, Damien Rice, Corrine Bailey Rae, Duran Duran, Snow Patrol, John Legend, Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Fall Out Boy, Mana, Keane, Kelly Clarkson, Korn, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw, Ray LaMontagne, Robin Thicke, and Kenna.

Oh my god, heaven forbid GNR gets left off a bill with Kelly Clarkson, Pharrell and Duran Duran.  What band or person on there am I supposed to be impressed with.  You proved my point that they were washed up garbage.  Oh btw, Farm Aid didnt effect anyone negatively.  Environmentalist movements cost people jobs and livelihoods.  Stem cell research is an issue that is supported by 80% of Americans and does not cost people jobs.  Fact is maybe Europe is falling apart, but here in the US we have the lowest unemployment rates in history, highest salaries in history, highest GDP in history, lowest interest rates in history, highest stock market in history, largest growth in home ownership in history and this is all within 10 years of the worst attack on US soil by both nature and humans.  So while socialist Europe deals with their 25% unemployment rates and rising fascist and racist parties, here in the U.S. as a nation we have never been better.  Read a newspaper about something other than the Iraq war.  Also, 45% of Americans believe we should have gone to Iraq, and 65% of Americans dont want us to pull out.  So coming out against the Iraq war does alienate people.  How do you know how Axl feels about the Iraq war or George Bush.  Oh and speaking of Farm Aid, Bush has increased farm subsidies by more than any other president in history.  I dont see a band on that list that I would listen to, I think bands that offend social norms and clash with government forces are great, but this is not that.  You say they should do this because they want to?  How do you know that they want to do this, Axl's never came out and said anything about any of this.  Oh and btw, Males 18-30 give George Bush a 52% approval rating and currently Giulliana (a republican) is leading polls for both the Republican nomination and the general election in 2008.  Who do you think buys GNR albums in the US.

Just had to correct some stuff ::)

Well you can make wrong corrections if you want, but you use no facts.? So ill just use the facts to show how dumb you are. Average wages for 2006 are not out yet for U.S. but in 2005 the average wage was 36,952.94$ which is the highest in U.S. history.? http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html.? And the average salary in the U.S. pays 17$ an hour which is the highest in the world, in case you think that this is just at the highest levels http://www.lni.wa.gov/ClaimsIns/Insurance/RatesRisk/Check/AvgHourlyWageRates/default.asp shows that workers even in the at risk classes have their salaries rising.? http://www.linksruck.de/antifa/artikel/sr252europe.htm, talks in depth about the rising fascist parties in europe, i can do more if you need to point out how it has grown.? http://www.un.org/Pubs/chronicle/2004/issue4/0404p32.html this UN article discusses the rise in racism and fascism in Europe including in their music.? http://www.danter.com/STATISTICS/homeown.htm shows that the homeownership rates in the U.S. are at all time highs.? Other than Ireland, European national economies have not been rising, while the U.S. steadily does.? I think Europeans have such envy for the U.S. that they feel the need to comment on every issue in the United States and assume that people here are unhappy here, Im a U.S. citizen and things never have been better financially despite going through a war, a major terrorist attack, a recession and a major environmental disaster.? 2 years ago we re-elected George Bush, we do not all share European values, we consistently vote down national health care, bans on death penalties, and forced foreign aid.? Dont just assume that while a majority of Americans are unhappy with the war and Bush that we are unhappy with the nation now, Americans always are unhappy and thats why theres never been a nation that has grown like the U.S..?

Oh and by the way recent polls say that it is about 50/50 for attacking Iran right now, so before you go on your "everyone wants peace" tangent know that half of America thinks attacking another country would be right.? You can dislike Americans all you want, but there is no reason for GNR (an American band) to alienate U.S. fans by jumping on a politcal bandwagon that theyve never once said they cared about.? How about winning the war on crummy music like all those bands playing at this concert and let politicians and people who have higher than GED's figure out how to fix the world.

Its no official yet but https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html, has the average U.S. salary for 2006 being 44,000 and also shows that the U.S. GDP is higher than the entire European Union.  So i would say being the strongest financial, military, technological country in the world means we are doing alright.

Please, we all know what draws that number up.


The average number applies to what I said above, and that at risk classes have rising wages doesn't mean that their not way too low.


Racism and facism are increasing all over the world (for obvious reasons). That does not mean Europe is some sort of black sheep or that the rise should be viewed as some sort of serious problem (as in using it as an argument for why EU sucks).


I have limited knowledge on this subject, which is why I didn't touch it then or now.

I'm still waiting on the 25% EU unemployment statistics, and I don't see why a stint of socialism is so awful in your eyes.

And while America may be better for some I think you should take a look at the trailer parks and ghettos before you start getting all high and mighty.

Youve ignored most of my post and have gone on to off-topic rambling, but Ill respond. 

"its what old, washed up bands do."

Your words.  I didnt post those artists (just a portion of those who will be playing) to impress you, just to disprove your point.  Snow Patrol, Fall Out Boy, Robin Thicke, Black Eyed Peas, John Legend, John Mayer, Akon, Pharrell Williams - you might not like them, but theyre neither old nor washed up.  Your points been disproved.


And heres the off-topic rambling that belongs in the Jungle section (where Id point out the fatuous spin of giving an unsourced presidential approval rating targeting one demo when you likely know that his actual rating is 35% in the Fox poll (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021507_release_web.pdf), 37% in the Gallup (http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26497), and 42% in Rasmussen, his friendliest polling company; the fatuous spin of citing 45% as if its a majority, even though a January AP-Ipsos (http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=234869&pub=1&div=News) said only 35% believed we should have invaded; the Gallup poll stating that 56% want withdrawal within a year (http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003532744)); etc.). 

Also, where did I say anything about Bush or the Iraq War?

What you seemingly fail to understand is that while you initially took your stand against political activism among musicians, youve shown that its really particular issues that actually bother you.  Stem-cell research is a political issue, but one with which you seem to agree so youve thrown an unsourced poll to justify it...because I guess the greater the support, the more comfortable you are with it (which makes me wonder what you were trying to prove by citing that incorrect/outdated 45% poll).  Farm subsidies is another political issue, but you dont mind activism because you support them I guess.   


So what?


Never said he did.  I simply gave an answer to your own hypothetical question. 


Again, wrong section (but in the Jungle, Id point out that 1. general election polls this early are largely insignificant and 2. while Giuliani leads slightly in many polls, Clinton edges him 50%-40% in the NY-Quinnipiac, 46%-42% in the MI Detroit Free Press, and 49%-46% in Newsweek; in a Newsweek generic ballot, the Democratic nominee leads the Republican one 49%-28%). 

If youre implying that the global warming issue is not a popular one, then youll be vindicated when nobody attends these concerts, right?

Since you seem to love polls (albeit unsourced), heres one from Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250571,00.html):

NEW YORK ?  Most Americans believe in global warming, according to the latest FOX News poll, and a majority thinks it is caused at least in part by human behavior, though many believe normal climate patterns are a factor.

The national poll, conducted before the release of the United Nations? report on climate change last week, finds that fully 82 percent of Americans say they believe in global warming, up from 77 percent in October 2005, while 10 percent disagree and 8 percent are unsure.

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Surprised you didnt mention this one since most of your talking points seem to come from Fox News.

First of all I never cited fox news once, but its nice of you to give them a plug.  Second of all Lenny Kravitz, Korn, Duran Duran, bon jovi are all washed up and I could go into others as well. The rest of the bands are rap or emo junk.  I actually dont agree wtih stem cell research, but dont believe it hurts anyone to support it.  People in the U.S. may believe in global warming, but they dont believe in Kyota accords or cutting back industry and jobs.  I was commenting on whoever said Iraq, which has nothing to do with global warming.  I think it should be noted to that bands that have taken right wing stances like majority of country acts have had consistent rises in sales over the last 10 years but that it bellys out.  Taking a side limits your audience and the fact is GNR has always sold well in the south where a majority of people still support bush.  None of the bands you listed are punk bands or metal bands that have been considered dangerous, they are bands that have always appealed to teens, even Korn's popularity appealed mostly to young goths, i think they still have the longest running streak on TRL or something.  Also you can pull polls from democratic regions, but a majority of state polls say Giuliani would win in a landslide the electoral vote.  These concerts are fake and for publicity and people who listen to GNR I generally believe are smart enough to see through things like this.  He might as well have joined the "Vote or Die" campaign.  This is not publicity that drives up metal albums sales and a majority of fans just want to hear music not a political rant.

Somehow, when I read this thread, I knew it would escalate into an Iraq discussion. My thoughts are that up untill this point, Axl has taken no stance publicly on Iraq or Bush, and that is for a reason not known. The Global Warming thing is quite different, and I don't think it would make him political at all to participate.

AxlRose4Eva1,

That sucks your friends got laid off. Unfortunately, it's a growing consensus in this country that global warming is a man-made problem and needs to be solved somehow. Closing down coal mines and factories and stuff are the baby steps that are necessary to fix this problem. Sooner or later, everyone will be making huge sacrifices and not just your friends. If we destroy the planet, it'll make having jobs and making money pretty difficult.

In order to save the rainforest, professional loggers are gonna get laid off too. It sucks, I'm sorry if I'm coming off insensitive, but they have to do something about these problems

You said 80% of people support stem cell research. If 80% of people don't agree that "global warming is a man-made problem and must be addressed before it's too late", then its these kinds of global awareness events that we truly need.


As far as slagging GN'R for 'being political/selling out' if they were to play this show, if The Police, Foo Fighters, Kanye West and Red Hot Chili Peppers are signing on, I think GN'R will fit in just fine. No need to drag Kelly Clarkson into it or whatever.


As Bill Maher said, "Global Warming" is not an urgent enough term. Were they to call it "Climate-iya", people might take it more seriously.

You do realize that one of the issues global warming, sky is falling, people want to invoke is our consumption of beef and dairy products.  They wish to lower our comsumption, use more soy products and tofu type food too.  Most people do not believe man is the sole cause of global warming in fact many scientists believe that cattle and their production of methane causes the greatest amount of global warming.  The one market the U.S. consistently dominates worldwide is the dairy market, it is what U.S. farmers are the best at.  U.S. dairy products are found worldwide.  Thats why many of the biggest opponents to the changes made by these green groups are farmers.  Would be a bit hypocritical to raise money for these individuals and then support an ideology that wants to put them out of work. 

Also, it also should be noted that as early as 1980 the dominant theory was that global cooling was going on and most scientists believed that we were soon (next couple hundred years) would be in another ice age.  50 years before that scientists thought there was global warming because of the world wide rise in temperatures and 20 years before that when the titanic crashed into an iceberg people thought there was global cooling going on.  I am not saying that I dont believe that humans are partially causing global warming, but I do believe that more evidence on the subject needs to come out, i mean do you guys remember the hole in the ozone that was gonna get us 15 years ago?

Also my point in talking about Akron, Ohio, or the Brazilian lumberjacks who are starving because they arent allowed to cut down trees and feed their family is not to say that people dont have to make sacrifices.  I am saying to me it looks bad to live in L.A. (one of the worlds most polluted cities) and make millions of dollars and fly around in jets and own 50 cars and live in a mansion, do cocaine/heroin and make multimillion dollar music videos and then tell some guy in Akron, Ohio that he cant do his job for 10 dollars an hour because you all of a sudden want to use this movement to jumpstart your music career.  People see through that stuff.  You shouldnt tell people how to live and act like you care about the environment if you arent willing to sacrifice anything, but force others to.  What do you think Axl's global footprint is, I bet its a lot higher than any lumberjack or miner.  People hate musicians who take issues with things like this.  I go down south a lot and GNR is huge there, you cant go anywhere without hearing AFD and they arent on board with stuff like this, bands like the Dixie Chicks can get away with insulting these people because they make up their sales with young girls, im sorry if this is new to you guys, but Axl's 45 and young girls arent going to be buying his albums.  America is a pretty divided country politically, it is also the largest record buying nation and where GNR is from, it would be foolisht to take ANY side and I hope Axl never does.

If Axl came out and was promoting Pro-Life stuff or saying he was supporting Bush I would say it was foolish too.  I want my musicians to stay out of politics and I want my politicians to stay out of music.  simple as that.

Well, you're allowed your opinion obviously, but with all due respect - asking an artist to stay out of politics is sort of...fascist...dontcha think?

Regarding a job in Akron, OH for $10 an hour, I wasn't gonna say earlier that 'there's plenty of jobs out there but only one planet'...but really...if the jobs they lost were $10 an hour, there's plenty of other $10 an hour jobs out there and only one planet. The people I truly feel for are the tech workers in Ohio that had their jobs outsourced. That was out of greed, not trying to improve the environment.

If your stance on global warming is that it's a "the sky is falling" political scare, then I guess thats your business. I'll stay with the great vast majority of the scientific community on that issue.

I agree with you about people in L.A. and their over-consumption (I lived there for 4 years, and currently live 50 miles away). Some people think that if they drive a hybrid car that somehow they're not still contributing to the problem. Like I said, sooner or later, everyone will be making big sacrifices. It's a shame they aren't already.

Regarding the O-zone problem...yeah, it was a problem, we took necessary action, banned the chemical agents that contributed to the problem, and now it appears we have made progress in that area. In order to curb climate change, we have to limit C02 emissions, and part of that includes shutting down coal mines and factories that spew a ton of CO2 into the air all day. Baby steps.

Ok and now I think I need to stop talking about this kinda stuff in the 'Guns N' Roses section' or else I'll get banned or something.

It would just come off as fake if GNR performed. Almost as fake as Al Gore.

Enough with the blasphemy. Promise me you'll never ever mention those bands in the same sentence as gn'r again, save RHCP. :hihi:

It's not about 'fitting in', it's about principle. There are tons of ways to support movements, which is why opting for cash cow gigs like this rubs me the wrong way when you could either use your music to inspire people or give money privately.

An artist traveling by private jet with stewardesses handing out blowjobs to play a 30 minute set, all expenses paid of course, isn't my idea of charity.

Oh my. Thanks- I was looking for a catchy album title for my band. I don't think the term is copyrighted. ;D

i'm gonna go write a song by that name right now.

I'm always happy to help my favorite Pit(t)maniac  : ok:

Edit - regarding the below post from JohnSDMF: People who don't believe global warming exists don't deserve Guns N' Roses, they deserve a few extra years in science class  :peace:

no...bad idea...why alienate half your audience? it will just piss off any republican fans GNR has...because they dont even believe global warming exists

"Climate-iya" is brilliant.

I need to hurry and make this into something before Trent Reznor does. ;D

I can't stand Al Gore so I say screw it! Plus, enough bands already. Would be cool if they played Bonnaroo festival in Tennessee which is earth friendly and imo not too political. With that said, I think they should play a Darfur concert - is Darfur South America - sorry I can only handle so many depressing things in the news so excuse my lack of information - they are committing genocide in Darfur - if this is South America - it would be a great start to their current concert tour - why not start one up???????????

I'll bet many, many, many rock bands might support, hell, there are enough celebrities trying to bring the issue to light. It might even inspire Mr. Rose to write another killer, one of it's kind classic after touring in this region!

Just an idea! But, if he goes political, I think it should be something new and not on the bandwagon with 1000 other bands already.

classic post right there.

Wait, so the same guy whose wife is almost the the creator of the parental advisory sticker is now teaming up with rock bands? What the hell?

I dont' get it. GNR and hairspray?  Jungle video maybe

sure if GNR wants to alienate half their fan base.....lots of people think global warming is bullshit...

NO.


The shitty performers are one thing.


World Peace One is better.

http://worldpeaceone.com

Making one Political song like Civil War doesn't make you a political band.  Its band's like Iron Maiden, Rage Against The Machine, ect that really piss me off that all their songs are basically the same old political garbage.  Global Warming is just a myth Al Gore is trying his hardest to get back into office and these liberal bands are playing and doing anything to get him in,as for Guns n Roses mix the CD promote it and you won't have time to play this concert.

not to knock you, but i used to live in downtown akron, and poverty isn't much higher than average.

You really dont know what youre talking about.


Got any polls suggesting this?

Apparently when it comes to science, youd rather place your trust in Republican politicians than actual scientists.  You really think GNR fans have endured all thats happened over the years to write the band off for playing a concert? 

Judging from your past posts, you probably do.

In the words of George Carlin before he became a self righteous bleeding hear Liberal "The world plus plastic".   Fuck Science.  This is about the only thing GNR could due to make me ashamed.  The world does not need another Bono.  One is enough. 

Why?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE??????  this is not a political issue.  this is a "human beings surviving on planet earth" issue.  fuck world peace.  whats the point of having world peace if there's no fucking world?  are you blind to the massive change in global weather patterns over the last few years?  as in record breaking changes?  do you think that shit's a coincidence?  any celebrities/groups that can lend themselves to this cause and raise awareness on global warming-- including gnr-- absolutely should.  if there's some stupid "hippie" stigma attatched to it, if it alienates anyone, they're a dumbass anyway so who gives a shit?  i don't care what your political affiliation is, i personally find both democrats and republicans to be morally reprehensible, but if you don't take global warming seriously, you are a fucking idiot.  i guess people will start taking it seriously when the entire planet is TOO FUCKING HOT TO LIVE ON.  we have to do something to not only stop global warming, but reverse it, because if we don't we're all going to die, soon.  if gnr does this and can raise awareness, and help some of their fans (the dipshits who live in denial) to get their heads out of their asses, it would be fantastic.

EDIT:  i just wanted to add this:  if you or someone you know literally lost their job because of environmentalism, axlrose4eva1, i'm really sorry, that sucks.  but you really need to open your eyes, because nobody's going to have jobs or money or lives if they're dead, which is what will happen as a result of global warming if we continue down our current path.

i dont have any polls to suggest this..but i can tell? you ALOT of republicans think it is bullshit.... Michael Savage is a very intelligent guy..and has various degrees in science and has done extensive research on the planet and climate change...and he says global warming is bullshit.....but you wont even listen to his opinion because he is a conservative,...instead you blindly follow Al Gore of all people.....Mr. 20,000 dollar a month utilities bill...but im not here to debate global warming..i am saying that GNR will piss off a shit load of fans if they perform at that propaganda rally....wake up Booker...not everyone is loyal to one political party no matter how right or wrong they are....

Despite claiming that global warming doesn't exist and citing Michael Savage as a credible source, you do make a good point. Why should GNR get involved with something  which is bound to attract the attention of hacks and blowhards in all areas of politics and media? GNR have more important things to do, career-wise, than getting behind someone else's banner no matter what the cause.

i dont have any polls to suggest this..but i can tell  you ALOT of republicans think it is bullshit.... Michael Savage is a very intelligent guy..and has various degrees in science and has done extensive research on the planet and climate change...and he says global warming is bullshit.....but you wont even listen to his opinion because he is a conservative,...instead you blindly follow Al Gore of all people.....Mr. 20,000 dollar a month utilities bill...but im not here to debate global warming..i am saying that GNR will piss off a shit load of fans if they perform at that propaganda rally....

fuck michael savage and al gore, i'm going with 500 of the world's top scientists on this one-- note they're not debating the reality of global warming here, just how fast its effecting the planet:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/29/ap/tech/mainD8MV6THO1.shtml

"While critics call the panel overly alarmist, it is by nature cautious because it relies on input from hundreds of scientists, including skeptics and industry researchers. And its reports must be unanimous, approved by 154 governments -- including the United States and oil-rich countries such as Saudi Arabia."

okay i'm done now, i realize this has little to do with gnr.  very passionate about this particular subject though.

take it to the jungle.....they will love it  : ok:

All I got to say is look at Al Gore's Tennessee mansion utility bill.  I believe that GnR won't play in this concert because they probaly have other plans nothing negative about this Al Gore concert party.

So nothing to back up that figure?  Im shocked.  A lot of Republicans also ignore science, like yourself, when it comes to embryonic stem-cell research and dont believe in it.  Wheres the backlash against Axl for publicly supporting it?

At the risk of straying a bit off-topic, you might remember this post:


Followed by:


You can connect the dots.  Maybe.

Various degrees in science?  He has degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology.  Maybe you can explain their relevance to global warming?

Did I say anything about Al Gore?  I didnt, but you brought him up because you dont have much else to your argument.  I actually referenced the worlds most respected scientists (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/02/tech/main2425536.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_2425536)...you countered with an opinion from a nutty radio broadcaster who specializes in herbal medicine as if hes an authority.  I cant understand rejecting global scientific consensus for a political broadcasters unqualified opinion.  I can only assume that its derived from an almost thoughtless, unwavering opposition to anything you perceive as "liberal." 

Why not?

Im sure that is all you got to say.  No answer to my question?

Leave this shit to Bono, do a concert that gives money to people not an issue.  Raise money for the coal miners who cant work cause of bans on coal, or the lumberjacks out of work in Brazil because Americans think the Rain Forest is pretty...Americans cut down all their forests and now tell poor Brazilians how to make a living.  Doing an issue like this is just divisive.  Farm Aid was good because it helps people.  No ones ever going to complain if you do a concert to raise money for people.  Id complain if GNR did this concert,  I think global warming is real and i think its a huge problem and man made, but i think its fucked up for rock stars who have millions and take up about 100x the average amount of energy as the average human being, to go and tell people "yeah youre fired from your factory job cause your company lost revenue when it had to purchase the right to operate under the kyoto accords."  Its hypocritical, the last thing this world needs is another bono.  I would rather Axl joined Puffy's Vote or Die campaign than this.  At least no one knows what Vote or Die means.

lets see you keep attacking me as being a conservative..but once again i am an INDEPENDENT....i am open minded...you are a hardcore democrat who drinks all the Kool-Aid that they throw at you....I have no problem with Stem Cell research yet you automatically assume I do because I have SOME conservative beliefs....you like to bring up random quotes of mine from different topics and post them out of context to try and prove your point....I make the point that GNR would alienate alot of their fan base if they take a political stand ON ANYTHING...but in your world everyone thinks alike....in the real world people have DIFFERENT opinions..and whether you like it or not...TONS OF GNR fans are republicans...as well as democrats...which makes me wonder why you are a fan of theirs in the first place....are you even a GNR fan or is your sole purpose on this board to follow me around from topic to topic and annoy the shit out of me? You ignore the fact that for every scientist that believes in global warming there is another one who doesnt...... but thats just some crazy conservative talk I guess...cause thats what i am right? some red neck conservative...at least thats what you think....isnt it...anyone who doesnt completely agree with your leftist agenda must be a moron.....oh by the way there is a section on this board for topics like this...its called The Jungle....next time you want to come after  some political beliefs of mine do it there......

Youre welcome to re-post this in the global warming thread if you really want to continue this discussion.  Ill back off here to avoid getting further off-topic, but Ill just say that you dont seem to be as confident in your posts as you used to be:


 :hihi:

Fuck Savage and Gore. Use your head, stick it out of a window and take a look for yourself. In my garden a peach tree has been blooming for 10 days now, which is at least month and a half too soon!!!

nope... I'm not an american. but I'm right wing oriented for most of the issues.
The enviroment issues are lame, and seeing a rock star appear in one of those gay ass commercial makes me want to get a blowtorch and head into the woods.

rock stars that do commercials at all are usually laughing stocks, especially when they go on a tree hugging campaigns.

or maybe I have learned that you are a close minded person who is impossible to get through to, and wont even listen to a different point of view...so why bother?...you are to the democrats as Hannity and Limbaugh is to the republicans.(minus the millions of dollars and fans). you are never wrong and your party is ALWAYS right...despite the fact that the democratic party is so flawed its unbelievable....im done talking about this in this section....im sure you will say something in "the jungle" that will irritate me soon..so I will see you then....