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"To clarify, Bumblefoot did use my Les Paul in his final recording session for the next Guns N Roses album. The sessions took place last month here in New York City. All his gear was out in California and he specific needed a Les Paul for the album."

who's he?

:o

It's confirmed then. BBF worked on ChineseD.

It was said on the metal podcast. He was laying down solos among otherthings. Yes for sure he's on there. Rightfully so I may add Bumblefoot is the man....he has been an awesome addition to the band.


Bumblefoot kick's ass

Wasn't Axl in NYC around Jan. 13th or something? That's when the recording was going on, which guarantees that the album won't be coming out March 6 unless they condense that 8 weeks down to 3, a strategy that Axl criticized Merck for in his open letter. The album needed to be handed over January 6-10 (in that range) in order to make the 8 week timeframe. If they were still recording on the 13th, then that means they probably couldn't have handed it over any earlier than the 16th or 17th.

If it's gn'r and it's last month I say it happened early February.  :smoking:

The pieces are beginning to fit a picture. I'm actually getting a tad excited.

Yup.. when Bucket left I was mad... But overtime I got worried when no one replaced him... I didnt want Bucket on the entire album if he wasnt around.. So I love hearing this...

Why? There's nothing to get excited about. They've been recording for 10 years and there's been constant mentions of "final recording sessions" only to have the band go back and tweak some more. I say the only thing to get excited over (other than actually having it in our hands) is an OFFICIAL release date from the record company. Once the record company announces it, then we know it is on the way.

sorry for a dumb question but can anybody describe the peculiarity of Les Paul, soundwise?

theres nothing peculiar about a Les Paul sound-wise, its a great guitar, I have a Gibson Les Paul Classic. Great sustain, good tone quality, sounds good when used to play blues or pretty much any other genre or music. Bumble used one on tour, and he had no problems shredding on it.

I guess he must have specified the Les Paul because he wanted to achieve a certain sound and he thought the LP would do the music justice. He probably wanted a thick, rich tone that only a humbucker (thats the pickup) could give him.

It's known mostly for its lengthy sustain and fat, warm tone. It's become particularly popular among blues-based classic rock guitarists, first pioneered by Jimmy Page, then the likes of Joe Perry, Slash, Lynard Skynard, Zakk Wylde, etc. It's not quite a bluesy sound and its not a metal guitar so it's a very versatile guitar and it's a nice balance that's perfect for the hard rock sound of bands like GnR. GnR would sound very different without it. Slash was given his les paul copy by GnR's manager during recording for AFD while he was struggling to get the right sound. The humbucker pickups is the key to the sound. The intro to Sweet Child O' Mine, for example, would never have worked without the humbucker pickups that the Les Paul is famous for. ?You should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbucker

if u look later in on the blog it says he might post a picture of them recording that would be sick if they post a picture of the band recording :drool:

it would be great if this would be for his solo album :rofl:

be rest assured , bucket wont feature on the album at all.

at all? who knows.

Thanks, estrangedpaul Robman?

so it makes lengthy sustain and fat, warm tone.

Yea I was curious to know what certain sound was added at the last stage.


 :drool:

This is what I believe now.

Recording and reversion to previous versions of bucket solos/riffs should be sufficient to strip buckethead off the album.

Yup, if Axl's going to replace some BH parts then he might as well strip them all. Let's hope BF is just replicating them and not re-doing them.

Sounds like good news to me !! I say the album won't come out March 6 but between March 20- May 1.  I think we will probaly get the music video Better in about 3 weeks or even sooner im aiming at a April Release.

Yes, Bumble rocks! Great player, and a great person. I never heard of a guitarist answering every MySpace message he got, and that's admirable in itself. I don't care if he's not as good as the Bucket, he deserves the spot.

I'm very glad to know that Ron will be on CD.  Great guy, great player, and great addition to GnR.  Good for him, and for us!

cmon people...
stop praising bumblefoot only for his myspace effort.
the guy deserves to be acclaimed for his musical qualities as well. only because most of you never heard a song of his doesnt mean his music is not good, and that the biggest accomplishment in his life is the "reply" button.

Personally I liked bucketheads' music better, but Ron is a good musician, and all the "myspace" crap you people post is starting to aggravate me!

But still, you gotta admit, it must be a shitload of work to do it all and risk being unable to play as good for it.

I dont think he does it to be in GNR.
he does it for his goodness. I think he would prefer if we liked him (and praised him) for his music qualitiees (that he has), than because of his replies on myspace.
most people around are to shallow to notice how shallow their view/opinion is.

Well, frankly, I don't really enjoy his music all that much. I'll listen to it, but it's not something to go crazy over. That's why I pointed out his other qualities, (and not just MySpace) which include having to be nearly dragged away from fans at the end of gigs.

i heard the same.  :hihi:

what's up with that buckethead.tk in your sig? says account suspended. Do you live in this little .tk country?

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I think he replaced Bucketheads part in IRS and Better... Ron played them so damn well at last gig (12/20)!  :drool:

We have no idea what these recordings involved. I have one idea, the fills he uses on CD. He may have touched on some of BHs work, but seeing how they played BHs parts all of last year I don't think replacing them is what he's been doing.

BH did alot of work, but I'm sure there are other songs that needed some guitar too. That's where I think BBF comes in.

The guy must be so proud...I know I would be!

he will get something written about him in the liner notes after this ;D

this is great,ron deserve to be on album

great

Bumble rocks, but I still hope Bucket's work on the album remains...

The only way I'd want to see Bucket's work replaced would be if it were by Slash.    :peace:

Did he play them the same as bucket did?

He CAN'T play them the same as Bucket did.

Hmm, kind of it... He remained a bit BHish, but Ron added his style and it suits better than BH's work... He played awesome and he extended the BH solo in IRS till the end of the song... Just genious... ?:drool:

thanks. i like the guitar work on better ang twat especially, in the leaks. but i still have my doubts as to weather people can really tell who is playing what.

i doubt that ron cant play bh parts properly after watching many vids of ron, but then i must confess im no guitarist. 

He could perhaps do it if he made an effort of it, but the usual case with replicating others work is that the difference in styles make it sound different anyway. He may do it note by note, but it would still not sound totally like BH.

And I strongly doubt that he has replicated any of BHs parts. What would be the point of that other than giving BBF playing credits. IMO he's supplied fills and stuff, not rerecorded BHs parts.

I don't want to see buckets work disappear from CD, but I don't think Ron would be on the album if he didn't bring something really, really good to it.

Personally, yes, I am able to distinguish between guitarists. I never said that Ron couldn't play the songs. I am saying that he cannot play them the same as BH did. It's not to say that Ron can't play them well, but him and BH have easily distinguishable sounds. I really hope we see some of Bucket's solos on Democracy but I agree that unfortunately they are likely gone. ?IMO, that is not for the better.

My sentiments exactly. I think CD will include the best work of every player that has been involved.

The 'word' from inside sources is that he's still on the album, alongside Paul Huge.

Perhaps up until a month ago Axl was still holding out hope for Buckethead to return and has finally given up on him and decided to replace his work. Or, Axl heard Ron rehearsing the new songs, was astounded, and decided to let him replace BH's parts because he brought something amazing to the new songs.

See, I can be positive :hihi:

And in all fairness we haven't heard Ron's studio solo on Better, IRS and TWAT, so they could still be mindblowing. I really, really doubt Axl would get rid of something brilliant just because Buckethead isn't in the band anymore.

YES !!! I hope your inside sources are accurate, polluxlm. ? ?:yes: ? : ok:

I want Buckethead on the album.

Well, they're not mine :hihi: But I have a good feeling.

Well, then here's to your good feeling !   : ok:   I really do think Bumble's great, so don't misunderstand, but I gotta hear Bucket on the studio cut of T.W.A.T.   :yes:

I agree. I hope TWAT remains the same. I wouldn't really miss BH's IRS and Better solo's, cause I'm positive Ron could bring something killer to them, just, please, for the love of God and everything that is holy, let Bucketheads TWAT solo survive.

I think having the Madagascar solo is more important (since we at least have a demo of TWAT). The stuff he did in Rio is simply too good to describe. I swear I felt my dick move when I first heard that one.

AMEN ! ? ? :peace:

That's what I call being moved by music :hihi:

Damn, I forgot all about Madagascar. It's hard to tell with his live solos though, because he always changed them, like Chinese Democracy, but its going to suck not knowing what his solos sounded like on the songs we haven't heard yet.... That is, if Ron 'has' re-recorded them.

I'd be happy with :

T.WA.T.
Madagascar
The Blues = Bucket

Better
I.R.S.
Prostitute = Bumble

Just thought I'd throw Prostitute in for good measure. But again, yes definitely, we NEED Bucket's T.W.A.T. solo !? ?:peace:

even if BH dioesnt appear in the record
he will be in  the credits
he arranged and wrote a lot for the record..
BH influence will be there

His influence isn't good enough. I also want his solos.   :hihi:

I love Bucket. But, this recording process has been going on for so long,  I would prefer the band that is going to launch the record and tour be the one who plays on the album. Bucket will get his writing credits just like Huge or Axl's gardener, but the band who wants to be there should be on the final product. They need to present this thing cohesively and with solidarity. A "new" beginning so to say...erase everything prior to 2006. It just seemed so dysfunctional prior to 06. And, in the end, we already have Bucket's TWAT solo so no loss. :peace:

Hope not. Nothing against the guy...well, nothing really, but Fortus seems to be a lot better.

Technically it may be, but that doesn't change the fact that Paul did some very cool stuff on the leaks. Maybe Fortus can outshine him, but I won't speculate on that until I hear him on a studio track.

Yeah your probably right, we don't really have any idea of Paul Huge's writing capabilities etc...but he did do a pretty good job of Since I Don't Have You.

What year did Huge depart and Fortus enter ?

02

Erm...he had nothing to do with the writing of since i dont have you.

Oh ok. I thought Huge left late 90's, but I think I was thinking Tobias.

Paul Huge and Paul Tobias are the same person.

Indee Paul Huge Tobias. : ok:

 :hihi:

same person dude : ok: :hihi:

Correct, but he re-recorded Slash's bits and no-one even noticed.

Bot bumble and bucket are amongst the worlds best guitarplayers, so anyway whos on the album I am sure it will be amazing.
I saw a list of the best 10 guitar virtuos in a guitar mag a while back, Ron was nr 1 and Bucket nr 4 I think.

No, no he didn't.

he added stuff overtop of slash's solo in sympathy...if you listen close you can here to different guitarists

Well...did he or didnt he? where are you getting this from CAFC...?

the only writing credit he has is Back Off Bitch i think and possibly Oh My God....we have to wait for liner notes to see what he contributed to CD :peace:

a thread about bbf borrowing a les paul from mark strigl turns in to a thread about what paul tobais has done for gnr :rofl:

haha yeah....anywya this is cool news....so some final guitar touchup work was done a month ago?! that is sweet news for sure...maybe the recording is finally finished and we just gotta pray negotions are going good with geffen/interscope/universal :-\

I agree with you because I guess Bucketheads parts sounds amazing, hes amazing but I think that BBF should do his own stuff because you can easy hear what bucket has written, hes got his own style so I think BBF should do hes own stuff, I bet it will be AWESOME!

agreed...between these 2 guys we are really in a win-win situation both are amazing : ok:

Ron is amazing. Buckethead however....he's something else....something words can't describe. At least that's what I think. :smoking:

^well we only know a few tunes that BH worked on....about half the album we've never heard before..so its not like we're missiong out on anything if BH's parts are gone on those tracks :peace:

That depends on how you look at it. I know what BH is capable of, so I guess there will always be that 'what if' in the back of my head if he's erased. I don't want the release of this album to include such feelings.

i dunno IMO you can't miss what you've never had :peace:

there have been so many people involved with this album that you can always ask what if tho, if your glass is half empty.

waht if zak wild, dave navaro, brian may, steve vai, hell, even slash? and thats only the guitarits. ok ive mentioned some here who have only been very vaguley linked to CD, but you get my point.

I DON'T  see any reason for buckethead parts on cd.
He was in band and he use name gunsnroses for selfadvertising

Ron is good guy and good guitarist,and ron is in gunsnroses and he ndeserves to have his influence on cd.

Half empty? Of course its half empty when you're a fan of buckethead and you were waiting 7 years to hear his contributions to the music. And it's different when you have HEARD the solos and know that there is music he was on, but its been replaced by someone else. Good lord...

I'm disappointed that he's not on it and there is no magic switch you can flip that will change that. Anyway, we don't know if he is or isn't on the album, but I'm sure it'll sound fantastic either way. :smoking:

so you are saying you would like him play just because he has other qualities?
you are not dating him, he doesnt need to have other qualites... he only HAS TO play the guitar so that it appeals to you...
anything else is a bonus, or a distraction, and unnecessary in the long run.

his composing and writing abilities is all that should be judged.
not his live performance, not his image...

in 15 years, when there's no more tours, no more albums... do you actually believe anyone would care if he answers myspace?
his music on the album will be all people would remember.
that's only thing that should be judged.

I've said it in other threads.....April 17th.

That's the day.

I can sense it.

You don't see any reason? TWAT is not a reason?

that's good to hear.. as many have already said Ron is a guitargod I fuckin love him.. at first when I heard that he is on the band I googled him and saw him with the weird guitar and listened to his weird solos I thought like "damn.. another freak after buckethead (don't get me wrong he is a great player too but I don't like this whole kfc thing, and he is too much about technics and not just about rockin IMO) but as the tour went on I realized that Ron fuckin Thal is mr. awesomeness cos he is about technics AND about kickin your asses  : ok:  :drool:

There is no way anyone could bash BH`s playing the guy is great.

 ? What I do find hard to believe is people saying that BF can`t play he`s parts. I think that`s bullshit, they are players in the same league.

 ? ? ?Of course not everyone can play everyones parts I doubt Finck or Slash for that matter could play BH`s parts and they don`t have to they are different players with their own style out to do their thing. I for one love Robins solo in Twat. Soulful, it send shivers up my spine, BH parts are just jaw dropping but they compliment eachother well.

 ? ? I doubt there are many things BF cant`t play, that is just stupid, it`s a question of sitting down and learning it and getting it down note for note and with his chops that is possible. But I doubt he would want to do that, he should want to do his own thing. Being a kick ass guitar player is not about playing other peoples parts per say. If you listen to the podcast BF says when he was 12 he learned erruption. Man I remember growing up this new kid came to school with a guitar, we were 16 and thought we were so cool. He walked in and let erruption rip and I almost fell to the floor it was the coolest thing I saw, this was back in 85`. BF says he learned it then opened the cassette and turned the wheels around and learned it BACKWARDS!!!!!! I know erruption ain`t the shit today. But then it was and BH and BF kick ol` Eddie`s ass today.

back to the point BF can play whatever the fuck he wants...and it will be awsome ? ?

Thats ok, keep your twat and better demos and replace them on your pc when you get the album. still not sure bout recognising guitarists tho. someone will ahve to teach me 1 day.

You are wrong. He can't.

what a constructive post, you have added a lot to the discussion, and the board thanks you for your undying support and "out of the box" thinking.  kudos

i guess we'll just have to wait and see whether his stuff on the album works won't we.  I think BF will be up to the task of writing new solos or playing BH's old ones if need be, on tour his stuff can sound a bit out of place but the guy can definitely play.

Go away and come back when you've grown up.

Bumblefoot will add alot to the Cd , but replacing Bucket's solos could be catastrophic !   :crying:

Thanks for clearing up the Tobias/ Huge thing. I was wondering why I never really knew who Huge was. I've only known Tobias as Tobias, had no idea that's who they were also calling Huge.  :hihi:

Tobias rocks, but I wouldn't be suprised if the only thing we hear him on in the future is Symphony and OMG.   :yes:

i hope the band leaves the parts that sound  the best ( wheter it be bumblefoot bucket tobias may finck fortus lol alot of damn guitar players)  :hihi:


i must say im digging the new chinese democracy with bumble though

I'm sure BBF will be awesome on CD and I also think the band has every reason to add him to the album. Nobody around here knows if parts have been replaced and whata dditional work has been done on the album. Him buying a Les Pauls is good news for the proper GNR sound, so I am fully confident.
So far it looks like things are moving ahead, tour is planned and no news on any delays, only news about the band actually finishing up things, like Axl told in the letter. Think it's up to the record company now to decide on the actual release date and once they've decided, the band can make ut public.

No , I dont live in that little country ... I own it.

As for the .tk thing being down , it's server issues. Just use the "proboards" link in my sig to access bh.tk.

On topic , Bumbles a great guy , great player .. I'm sure his parts will be nice. I'll miss buckets parts on the songs that leaked I'm sure and I damn well wish there will be some way in the future to hear what he contributed to other songs on the album. Sadly though , it will have to be from leaks of older demo's because we wont be hearing him on the actual CD.

Don't take this wrong, but how do you know that? I believe it's likely true, just wondering how you know.   ???

My birthday.   : ok:

I'd trust Saul on this one. Let's just say he is Jarmo to the Buckethead forum. Except he has a lot less cleaning up to do over at buckethead.tk.  :hihi:

Personally I think Bumblefoot will add a bunch of great stuff to the record. Listen to his new fills in Chinese Democracy (The song) during the later shows of the tour... I think it adds tons to the songs.

Even Buckethead's TWAT solo could be replaced by a better one. I think Bumblefoot will do a great job

If Bucket was still with the band it would be different.. but now that he's out he should be off the record too.

No, he should still be on the record regardless, re-listen to the T.W.A.T. demo and then say that. Izzy needs to be on the album too.? ?: ok:

Is there speculation that Saul is Buckethead ?    :peace:

When people start to think Jarmo is Axl it will. 8)

I could see Saul being Buckethead.

Jarmo's definitely not Axl. I think Axl's alot more open to the possibility of a reunion than Jarmo is.? ? : ok:

Jarmo, your still cool in my book though.? ?:yes:

If you're gonna keep going off topic in multiple threads with your posts about your reunion dreams, I'll have to put an end to it.

Isn't it enough you keep dreaming of that reunion every night?  :P



It's obvious you don't know shit about me and I suspect you know even less about Axl.



/jarmo

Fair enough. I guess I did fall off " the train" there for a second but I'm back on now.

Who said that I knew anything about you ? I don't even care.

All I said was, I don't think you and Axl are the same person.?

I'll save this kind of talk for Dead Horse. Sorry again.? ?:-X

/bringbackadler

Do you know this for sure?

There will be various legal and royalty issues over Bucket's parts but from a purely artistic point of view, it would seem completely wrong to me for BBF to simply re-record Bucket's TWAT solo. Bucket will receive royalties anyway for writing the part surely. And if a single note of it is changed or if BBF has done his own different solo then that will suck for those of us who love Bucket's version.

Yes, it will suck for us, but what do you expect? Bucket's not in the band, so it's not a stretch to think he won't be on the CD. I think it's a great loss for GNR fans in general, whether you like Bucket or not, but if Axl wants it that way, so be it. I won't like it as much, but I'm sure he doesn't care about just one fan's opinion.

Wow after reading all this... I was thinking what a cruel thing Axl could do... Put 0 specific credits in the CD book, (like apppetite unlike UYI)... We'd all be sitting here arguing which solos are Rons and which are Buckets  :hihi:

lol
I dont want reunion and it won't happen probably. Jarmo is just living on earth, not in the dream land. Oh, a reunion wouldn't be a dream. Not for me. My dream is seeing Guns N' Roses live someday, and I'm sure I will. Ron, Finck, Fortus, Tommy, Frank, Dizzy, Pitman and... W. Axl Rose. I respect your opinion though.  :peace: