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how long after the tentative date, is tentative indeed tentative, and after how long does "tentative" become only a smokescreen?

how many months post a tentative date is ineed "unexpected problems", and how long after the tentative date does it become, just another lie?
and this is not suposed to be a bash festival, just a sort of a poll to see where everyones expectations are.

personally, 4 months delay is tentative imo(and that's a streatch), after that it's a lie.

+/- one month. That means 6th of february to 6th of april in this case.

A tentative release date is a nice way of giving you something but also giving you nothing at the same time. Ya, as duga said a month after the 6th would be acceptable anything longer then that and its "unexpected problems".  :)

As long as we get a final release date around the time march -april I will be happy. If we dont hear anything before the tour we are screwed!  :crying:

well, if they are to tour, than they must think that the album will be done by then.
otherwise, what would be the reason to cancel the last dates of US tour?

You could have said the exact same thing before they toured the US last fall. Why cancel/postpone the opening tour dates when they knew the album wouldn't be ready for release last year?

There is no rhyme or reason as to why Axl does anything the way he does.

I was thinking the same, and who booked the new dates? Did Merck have them lined up before he left. If Axl, or someone instructed by Axl did it then he most be confident that the album will be wrapped and handed over by those dates. We might not have the album by then but it should not be long after those dates then. ?:)

because allegedly Merck fucked up.
this time there's no merck to fuck up.

@ rds, we are 6-8 weeks(tops) away after the first show in Africa.
or at least that's what logic suggests.

but optimistically we might get a single in april?

Hopefully in April, announce delay with the album, give a set date, drop single, do shows, drop album, announce world tour, go on tour. This is very very wishful thinking, known of the above will prob happen apart from the shows. But hey im aloud to dream.  :peace:

Within 2 months of the tentative date would seem reasonable if they were as close to completion as Axl implied in the open letter.

To begin playing live dates again (27th April) with no album (or at least no firm release date )would seem to be madness.

tentative can remain tentative as long as they want.  like i can say, "i have tentative plans to be a star nfl quarterback and make jessica alba my wife."  it doesn't mean it's ever really going to happen.  what, you were expecting an actual release date?!  come on now, you're never going to get one of those.  only real bands that make real music really release albums.

i'd say 4 months is way too generous...+/-2 months is about right...i'd be a tad worried if we don't hear anything by april.

Due to the fact that they are scheduling the third leg of the tour, I'm sure we will get news before March 6 (since they can't keep that date any longer on the official website) and the album around the time the tour kicks off which I guess will be sometime in April.


/lastroots

i would say they can keep that day online for years :)

but hey, when will we understand that we have to be patient and forget about "the release date"
just try to enjoy new tour and new concerts. then we'll see

only glitch
now that almost the whole word of GNR fans have seen the band live with new and old songs (yes we enjoy them)
what will be the escuse of not playing more of the new songs ?;)

Here we go yet again. I'm definately dissappointed that the Super Bowl was not used to begin promotion. There's just no way that the album is coming out on March 6th. ?And we're back to not being given any info. BAck to having to put up with bullshit attention whore rumors.

A bunch of fans dropped out on the broken promise of "out by the end of the year (2006)". More are gonna drop. At this point we're looking at April or May. We've put up with this bullshit for years and on and on and on it continues. Big fuckin joke this is becoming and we are the brunt of this big long ass 10 year plus joke.

i guess 2007 will be the year when GNR brings the rest of the world (south africa, africa, middle east, australia, asia) what we the US and europe got in 2006

so in 2008 when everybodys knows the band, they can release a CD

GREAT PLAN !!!!

there's rumored life on mars...
they might tour there.
there's no better place to start promoting "chinese democracy" than the "red planet" it self!


so I guess you people agree that 2 months is tentative enough.

 This alleged album is the biggest bunch of Bullshit to ever go down in music history. I'm confident that this will be the album that NEVER WAS.

If I don't have this album in my hands for my trip to Claifornia (June 3 - 10), I'll have lost all hope.  :crying:

I'm going with 2 months. Any longer than that should be justified.

early spring~spring.


where is a lie?
The date wasn't a promise, a lie or a guarantee. what the letter assures us is that they try hard to make it.
You don't call it a lie when you unfortunately miss your target.


Fair and impartial. :yes:

That letter also says that we would be notified when they knew it would be delayed and not meet the march 6 date.

If we hear nothing before 3-6- 07 and the album isn't released it wil be a huge slap in the face to the fans. Just as disrespectful as the 13 tuesdays left. Axl will have lost all credibility if the 6th passes and nothing is said.

WHAT?!

I don't think that he will lose any credibility. The date was a tentative one, nothing more. It was a gesture of interacting with the fans and giving them some infos that were right at that time and maybe still are right.
You have to remember that the tour was ending, Merck got fired, the last concerts were getting cancelled and a lot of stuff maybe going on of what we weren't aware.

We just do not know what is going on inside of the band and management, but they weren't sitting on their butts and analyzing stupid crap just like some of us on fan boards are doing.

It is time to calm down and to wait for the next piece of news the GNR camp will give us. I am so sick and tired of posts like "If the CD didn't make it to the stores at that date - I am finished with GN'R" - yeah, a true GN'R fan. I think GN'R will be better off without such stuff.

D'you know what I am going to do? I will relax now and drink a beer on Mr. Rose's birthday.  :yes:


Oh yeah, just to answer the topic's question: tentative is tentative for the time a release date hasn't been announced :rofl:

What's actually said is that we will be notified when they have a new date. prolly an official one.
geez how many time I said this.

Go read the letter again. He said we would ALSO be notified if the album is DELAYED if it doesn't meet the 3-6-07 date.


He will lose all credibility if the date passes and there is nothing said.

who says he has any credibility left?  nobody really cares about this band anymore.

VolcomStone if so why you care. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't.


"Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. "

and how many times have I quoted this.

You do know what board you're on, right?    ???

It's how you choose to respond to almost every thread so I guess you'll be quoting it even more in the future. And he said he was going to do everything in his (their) power to meet that march 6th date, and once the "tentative" date is made official we would be notified, and if there was a delay we would also be the first to know. It takes 8 weeks, its gone past that and we have heard nothing.

Now, I'm not privy to what's going on inside GNR right now, and it could be the album has already been turned over, but going on what he said I'm guessing it hasn't, because all we have to go on is speculation. If you don't like speculation you might want to stay away from the boards because without anything official, that's all anyone has here.

Like I said, I'm giving him to march 6th, and I'm positive we'll hear something before march 5th, but if we don't its going to be a hail storm around here. 

no longer than 2 months

"Tentative" is indeed "tentative" until March 6 comes and goes with no album OR updated announcement/release date...

 People here sure are loyal no matter how many times Axl screws you over with false hope. It's really to bad that Axl doesn't have the same loyalty towards any of us. He couldn't care less. Those are my feelings.

Why do you think Axl has no loyalty towards the fans? I think the tour proved us alot..

somewhere between 1 month and NEVER :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

U are a noob right?

Where have u been the last 10 years?

Axl in my opinion has loyalty only to himself and maybe Beta.

Look how quick he threw buckethead under the bus when bucket left or was fired...............

this is the kind of bullshit that doesn't really deserve answering but i'll say this:
i look forward to people like you eating your own words when CD is everywhere, but don't come kissing axl's ass after, hypocrite.

No I'm not a nood, I've been here about 6 years now. A fan of Gn'R a little longer. But even if I'd be a "noob" I'd clearly see that Axl has loyalty to us. I don't care if you can't see it.. or maybe you do see it, you just don't want to.

    What happens to the people like you when 10 years from now there is still no CD? Dude look at history and learn from it.

I will tell you:

I will be sitting in my garden and listen to all the songs that have been released by now and enjoy them. And yes, I will go like: "Damn, what if they had ever released that album, that would have been great!"
But this is only theoretical, because I still believe in CD coming. I don't know if it is coming in March. Maybe it ain't coming even this year. But I don't care. I have written that so many times that the band has to do whatever they think is right. If they need some stuff to be re-recorded. Let them do that. It is THEIR album, not ours!!! THEY have to feel comfortable with in the first place.

I prefer having a perfect album, perfect for the band and by that perfect for the real fans. Not an album that has 2 good songs and the rest is shit, just like other bands do it nowadays.

You can call me whatever but I believe in the band and I believe in certain things.

I wish I had a girlfriend as naive as some people around here...


Me:"No, I wasnt cheating! I was just testing my self, to see how much I indeed love you"... "See... she doesnt mean anything to me."

Her:"Oh, nevermind honey, I know how much you love me"

Me: "Yeah, and I'll find another one just to prove how insignificant they are"

Her: "I love you"

its been done for years but its not coming out any year soon

Axl did say he would notify fans as soon as he became aware of any delay. ?The fact that there is no single and we have heard no informationw ould suggest that the album has been significantly delayed. ?I love GNR and feel that Axl has earned the right to live his life however he wants. ?My only gripe is I wish he wasnt dishonest or at least more open with his fans. ?If Axl just wants to tour and go to parties, thats great, but just say "we have no plans for when to release the album itll be out when its out." ?That would be so much better.

However, GNR isnt losing fans, people who leave these boards or who stop checking news will still buy the album. ?The problem is they are losing the opportunity to get new fans. ?With every birthday Axl has his distance in age from the mainstream cd buying audience grows. ?The album could sell 1 copy, as long as its to me I wouldnt care, it wouldnt change the music, but I love this band and just how people hated seeing Jordan go out on a losing wizards team, i dont want Axl to go down with a flop.

My hope is that either he would release the album or make no promises, because its just disappointing.

yeah. it would be great if every year the do something like this...

The album isnt coming out this year!
However, we plan to do a few shows here and there.
And MAYBE next year you'd get the album..

that way people wouldnt be holding their breath in vain.
loose the secrecy let us know what's going on.

and I dont mean, "we went to the bathroom" kind of stuff..
but mere bits of information.

are you recording, are you mixing, are you relaxing, are you touring, and who's in the band.
that ought of cover it.

no commercials for the album, no propaganda dude... it can't be out the 6 march.
nobody has received the album, no radio commercials , nothing.

So it can't be out in march 6th...


the lack of communication is really starting to make me sick. I'm tired. always waiting something that never appens.

I think GNR is dead now in my mind. . .

Soon mean 7 and counting, so tentative is anywhere between that and 10!

Jonx

It seems as though "tentative" is just another word for "indefinite" ??   ???

LOL getmad

source?


ya you're probably right.


what takes 8 weeks and where did he say we would be the first to know? exact words.


Speculation is ok in my book as far as it's distinguished from fact.

Unfortunately some people love to take speculation as fact, put the words into others mouth and then call them a liar.

I gather people are not encouraged in such acts on this board.

Usually I'd say that if it was a more general date.

In this case, I'd say March 6 can be tentative until March 5.