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i was just checking evanescence' website and i noticed they're playing in argentina and brazil in april in giant soccer stadiums like the river plate stadium. i don't believe that they can fill these stadiums by themselves (maybe i'm wrong) + they'll play the 2 south-african dates with guns too. so maybe they will open for guns on a possible south-american/african tour?

hm, not a bad idea, not a big evanescence fan but it could work, absolutlety worth thinking 'bout.

i think they are more popular than you think

i like evanescence,but i'm sure theyaren't popular to fill up stadium

For the love of God, I hope not.

Well, it's up to Guns, but I don't think it's a good fit.

Evanscence dates in Brazil were already released.. I don't think they'll add "oh, BTW, we'll play with GN'R".

Evanescence right now is more popular than GNR sorry, they wont open for them.  Bands that have released a cd that has gone multiplatinum, within a year of that cd do not go and open for bands that have had mediocre concert sales and have not released a new album since 91.  Sorry, but it wont happen.  It sucks, but GnR is popular in the rock world but Evanescence is insanely popular across the board and they have an album near the top of the charts right now.

While I may agree with you they may be more popular I NOT agree that it won't happen.

So are Nickelback. Doesn't mean the music isn't crap.

I think you are wrong. Papa Roach are more popular than Guns at the moment too, but they did open for them. Sometimes you can gracefully step aside out of respect. Or because certain opportunities are given only to legendary bands despite the current popularity.

papa roach being more popular than gnr right now is a lie....   they?re probably more popular than the new gnr though...

I'd love to see Evanescence open for Guns. I'd also like to see Amy Lee perform a duet with Axl..!

I think it would be a good mix energy-wise. Also, just because someone is selling right now does not mean they are more popular than a band that has a longer, and shall I say, legendary career.
This would be a good show and good team up I agree.

  my thoughts exactly

There is no new gnr.. just Guns N Roses.   

Papa Roach (right now) maybe more popular than GNR only because they've released a few successful albums this decade.    In the scheme of things tho, GNR is the legendary band.

Personally, I feel that Evanescence would make for an excellent opening act. ?If that happens, I think it could be quite beneficial for both bands. ?Evanescence may (arguably) be the "bigger" of the two bands at the moment, but the name 'Guns N' Roses' (regardless of lineup) caries with it a tremendous musical legacy that is still a major drawing power to this day... especially within certain regions of the world.

Cheers,
W.R.

 ? This would be a great tour for both acts. ?GNR can really use a popular and good rock band as a supporting act. ?It would be a good way to get younger fans into their shows and enable them to get a first hand GNR experience. ?For those of you that diss Evanescence, they happen to be one of the more popular and talented rock bands in the world today. ?Yea yea yea, Axl is God, I know, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is shit. ?I would also love to see Buckcherry tour with GNR. ?

You're right there is no "new GN"R" because there's no new album.

It's a bit odd when it comes to Guns N' Roses and who opens for them.  There's been several festival appearances when GNR headlined where it could be argued that some who played before are more relevant right now.  The biggest that comes to mind is the Inland Invasion Festival, where the Muse openned for Guns.  Most Brits on this board probably already know that the Muse have sold out the new Wembley Stadium (corrrect me if I'm wrong, but didn't they sell out two nights?).  Something tells me that GNR would be hard pressed to fill a stadium at this point.  The other big band that openned for GNR was Weezer back in 2002. 

Evanescence are by far the more relevant band when compared to Guns, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't open for them.  I think a lot has to do with where each artist sees themselves in relation to other artists.  Most bands that have come on to the seen in the last 5-10 years probably revere someone like Axl or a band like Guns N' Roses, hence they don't mind getting second billing.  There's probably only one band on the planet right now that demands headlining status and that's the Rolling Stones (remember GNR was to open for them this past summer in Europe).  Then you have your AC/DCs, Metallica, U2, and maybe Radiohead that would require top billing.  If Chinese Democracy was released and was successfully received, I'd put GNR in that group as well. 

Basically, even though Evanescence might be more popular and relevant, since they haven't been around long enough and achieved legendary status, they'd still probably have to go on before GNR if the two were to play at the same event.

Cheers,

Andrew

Weezer opened for GN'R in 2002?   :confused:

If it aint Sebastian Bach and the Suicide Girls, I aint interested.. :hihi:

do gnr have a say as to who plays on the bill with them at festivals?

god I hate Evanascence.....to use the a lars Ulrich word...they are so "STOCK"....seriously them and Nickelback are the 2 most STOCK band out there...and its also why they sell the most records....they are so predictable and lame..

No.

not a bad idea at all but I think voodoo is right.


unsure but I think they did. In Belgium or in japan.

In London for sure

Yep.
I think Tool 'opened' for GnR at some festival this year as well...

well said.

god damnit evanescence is a fuckin gay band.... sux a loooooooooooot.

I don't think they did, I might be wrong but I think Tool and GNR both played at Download however Tool headlined on the Friday night and GNR headlined on the Sunday night.

paparoach more popular than gnr,are you insane

in every fuckin parametar gnr beat them (selling of shows,selling of albums...)

please god make it stop

I just checked gnrontour, (which hasn't been updated in awhile...) and it says that Tool opened, or at least appeared before GnR at Rock AM Ring and NovaRock.

people stop jumping into fake conclusions


evanescense is playing in river plate, because is confirmed to be playing at quilmes rock festival, probably the same day as keane, and another argentinian big band, so thats why they are playing in such a big stadium

hahaha my thoughts excactly :rofl:

yes, Gn'R should open for evanescence.
c'mon... I think Amy Lee would like to open a show to for Gn'R, and I wanted to watch both shows. I like evanescence a lot, really, and I love Guns. So seeing both live would be fucking cool. At least for me.

Just for note, I'm not sure if Amy Lee is much of a GNR/Axl fan. I remember her doing an interview(s) and she said the "Velvet Revolver was the real GNR". But so did Kid Rock and I saw him sing Nightrain with Axl. Who knows...

r u having a fucking laugh? gnr open for a crying moaning bitch?

pfft i wipe with evanescence :hihi:




lol that made me laugh :rofl:

whoever thinks velvet revolver was the real gnr should not even be allowed into a gnr concert, let alone share the stage with them.

No. Gnr aren't popular enough. Evanescene fans would walk out when the old red braided out of breath guy gets on stage.

Sad, but true.

I thought she said that Contraband was 'boring' or something like that?

that maybe the case in america but in europe that would be a joke, it would be the opposite. or maybe u were being sarcastic, im a bit slow tonight, been drinkin :beer:

Oh Europe. I was thinking America.

I dno what they listen to over there.

Just get Buckcherry to open, and tour America. Simple.

That's just a terrible thing to say. First, it's not true. Evanescence are not as popular as GN'R either then or now. I'll debate anyone on that, I think it's bullshit. Second, I'm very sorry to see Axl gets so little love any more from some of his fans. It'll be a cold day in hell when I refer to him, even when speaking from someone else's point as view, as "the old red braided out of breath guy."

I guess I don't understand what "popular" is. ?Evanescence played in Minneapolis around the same time than GNR hit Minneapolis in 06'. Evanescense played a venue right next to the GNR's venue, right across the street. Evanescense sold out their show, GNR did not. ?Who's more popular? ?

FYI, Evanescense played their sold out show at 1st Ave in support of a brand new album, right across the street from the Target Center. 1st Ave's capacity is about 2-3 thousand people.

Meanwhile, GNR, with no slash, duff, no new material in 15 years, no new radio play, played to over 9000 people, right across the street of the venue that the more popular Evanescence performed.

If Evanescence is more popular than GNR, wouldn't they be able to put more butts in the seats? ?

Tool on the other hand, puts more butts in the seats.

Naw thanks. I can do without a bunch of preteen wannabe-goth girls at a GNR concert.

It hasn't been stated by enough people here, so I'll go ahead. Evanescence is fucking 100% shit. They suck. Hard. It's not opinion, it's fact. People who want them to play with GN'R even remotely can shove it up their ass. Evanescence belongs on pop radio where fat ugly bitches who relate to the poseur Amy Lee can cut their arms and cry to her great lyrics. Don't forget, it was only one album ago they debuted with a rap-rock song. Fuck Evanescence.

I'm sure that's how a young popular music fan would think if they encountered Axl.

And I'm sure Evanescene could outsell GnR, when you talk concerts.
Lots of acts can outsell GnR: Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, anyone who has anything on the charts.

Evanescene's "The Open Door" CD would not stand a chance against "Chinese Democracy" though.

I don't even like Evanescene, I'm just smart enough to admit that they are currently more popular than the new line-up of GNR.

Most people don't even know GNR exist anymore.

PS You have to get over your hatred to mainstream music.

Evanescence is a popular band right now. But I think their fans would only walk out if GNR took forever to get on stage, not because they're GNR.

It's not going to happen anyway. It wouldn't be a good match at all. You'll see another GNR/Metallica tour before you see that.

Amy is pretty pretentious anyway. Her music isn't as good as she thinks.

well GnR sold out all the venues in the UK really quick, i just dont think evanscence would go down well with the GnR crowd.

Yea the crowds don't mix.

Evanescence does not sell more concert tickets, not even close. Everyone else you mentioned, yes, more popular than GNR right now. ?

Any hope I had of KoRn reverting back to anything even remotely interesting with their unplugged set was ruined when they picked "Freak On a Leash" featuring fat ass Amy as the single. She tries to outsing Jon Davis and crashes hard, but overall ruins the song anyway. A lost opportunity and a bad choice.

fat ass amy lee? u wouldnt say no though would u ;)

Quality doesn't seem to matter to alot of the general lsitening public :hihi:

If GNR release something, that would really help.

They should open for the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Hey, you don't have to believe me but I can promise you I would be turning that down.  :hihi:

now thats a great idea! or maybe they take it in turns opening haha. i dunno both bands rock, i dont care what people say about chilis going soft they still rock!

Chili Peppers do rock. I think I might actually support an alternating, co-headlining sort of thing. Aerosmith did it with KISS. One night, one band will close the show, and the next night the other. It would do well to mix up that crowd. That's a band that makes sense with GN'R. :beer:

I say GNR would open, Chili Peppers put on a slightly better live show- plus they're more popular right now (due to the fact they actually got an album out- and singles/music videos, etc)

^ actualy- switching back and forth sounds fairer.

See I do agree the Chili Peppers have the edge in popularity, but the switching back and forth would be a really cool move and humble on the part of both bands. Both bands are very cool groups of guys and I think that would be a very fun tour. I'd love to see something like that.

I heard they were atrocious live?

I'd never pay to see a concert where a lesser band was headlining.. GN'R should be #1.. Unless they're with a band of higher stature, like Aerosmith, The Stones etc.

Funny, I heard that too.

Also, I agree with your second point.

And GNR wouldnt do that switch places thing, thats SO lame. I would HATE seeing GNR before another band. Totally fucked!

Evanescence sucks...the band name sucks..the lead singer sucks, everything about them sucks.  Have u ever listened to this girl in an interview...fuckin stupid.  This would be TERRIBLE, if this happened.  Oh well though, GN'R should only be closing if they have an album out if not they should OPEN.  I don't care how big they are...if they wanna close a big show with a bunch of acts THEN RELEASE NEW MATERIAL.

I like the idea of that tour and ur right I dont think there big enough to fill those stadiums

The last time is saw the Chili Peppers was on the Californication tour with the Stone Temple Pilots as the opening band.

The Chili Peppers blew STP away in every possible way, but overall the show is behind Guns N' Roses ( all 7 times) and Prince for me.. : ok:

i hate her voice, no thanks

well you have to know last time gnr was opening band in 1988,and never again

paparoach have shows for 2or 3 kpeople,and some fuckers here said "papa roach are more popular than guns"

yea right

gnr were supposed to open for the stones in germany in 2006.

but they didn't

Evanescence - South American Tour:

Chile Tour
4/12/2007
Estadio Nacional
Santiago, CL
=================
Argentina Tour
4/14/2007
Riverplate Stadium
Buenos Aires, AR
=================
Brazilian Tour
4/17/2007
Gigantinho (with GNR?!)
Porto Alegre, BR

4/19/2007
Pedreira
Curitiba, BR

4/21/2007
Palmeiras Stadium
Sao Paulo, BR

4/22/2007
Apoteose
Rio de Janeiro, BR

source: http://www.evanescence.com/tour.asp

They've got great energy but from what ive seen and heard Anthonys doesnt do too well.

 ::)

they could be a nice openinga ct for GN'R. their much better than Bullet for my Asshole

 ::)  no they didn`t....  the cancellations weren`t planned though...   

like it or not, gnr will probably open for a band like the stones again...

I guess I don't really see opening for the Stones as a downgrade.

Nah, I seen both bands live- and the Chili Peppers had alot more chemistry- and the overall show was better.


I can't picture GNR opening either. They should just get Buckcherry. They were made to tour together.

There isn't a band on this planet who couldn't open for the Stones. They're the top of the food chain. Period. I actually hope GNR does get the chance to open for them again.

And I'd actually like GNR and Evenescence. And yes, GNR would headline. Evenescence isn't as big as some people here seem to think. Yes, the debut album sold tons, but do they even have enough material to put on the 2+ hour show GNR does? Doubtful, without playing every song they have.

A friend who saw STP with Chilis said RHCP sounded horrible and STP blew them away live. But to each their own.

I saw the peppers and the stones live here in az and the peppers stunk the stones were good but to old time for the new gen.

and on evanescence site you can see that they have shows in usa on small venues

Evanescence plays a lot of small venues but they sell them all out.  What does evanescence get from touring with GNR?  Oh and by the way there are youtube videos of people fleeing guns n roses on stage, most of those poeple leaving were goth/emo people.  Who do you think are fans of evanescence.  This would be a horrible idea, tickes would have to be around 100$ and we would have to be paying for Evanesence.  I think GNR shouldnt have an opener until they have an album, or keep with like Bach and Suicide Girls, because what band is going to want to open for a band thats entire audience is made up of mostly hardcore gnr fans.  I mean seriously who else pays 80 dollars a ticket to see a band made up of only one original member that hasnt released a new album in 16 years.  Even bands like A7x would get booed or coldly recieved.  Also what band wants to take the chance that these hardcore gnr fans will boo them off the stage and axl will come out and take shots at them.  That pidgeons of sh't medal thing was garbage, im sorry but Axl screwed up on that one.  I mean Axl should have known what type of band Eagles were and should have thrown them under the bus.  So they didnt play the entire length of the set?  Wow, like Axl hasnt walked off the stage or done that stuff before, how would axl like getting bottles thrown at him and booed.  No band that has had a multi-platinum album in their right mind should open for gnr, the fans are just there to see GNR< they dont care about other bands and you got the chance that Axl will throw you under the bus.

I dont think Metallica minded.

BTW theres no way in gods hell that evan (what ever the fuck there names is) will be even close to being as popular as gnr. common evan(again) lets see you go away for 15 years come back and sell even 3 thousand tickets. GNR may not have sold as many tickets to some of there shows as these guys but almost as much not recently off an album. People seriously need to get off the smack GNR is legendary band

I'm not the biggest fan of evanescence but I believe they can fill a stadium in these places on their own.  In america, never could they sell out a stadium or even half but in south america and afrrica sure.

Enough of the other band talk.

This is still the GN'R section.



/jarmo

Oddly, when you put "flee" in with Guns N' Roses on YouTube, nothing shows up (note the sarcasm).

I know plenty of "emo" kids who are GNR fans, in fact those are the ones sporting the GNR shirts. I'm gonna take it you meant the inland invasion crowd, well that's a festival with a lot of different bands, I know AiC fans who dislike GNR, and vice versa. So what?

Lemme tell ya, I was at two shows, and aside from some old farts in the front, most people found Bach amusing, and that's it. He's good advertising since all he talks about is GNR, but then, a billboard would do that just as well (and be more coherent).

what the fuck? do you call yourself a fan?

Emo and Hard Rock do not mix.

In argentina for a lot of people axl is a almost god. An argentina's concert will be a succes, but evanescense not very popular, is not possible to be compared in this point (i spoke about argentina of course)

I don't think it's a good idea.

Oddly, when you put "flee" in with Guns N' Roses on YouTube, nothing shows up (note the sarcasm).

I know plenty of "emo" kids who are GNR fans, in fact those are the ones sporting the GNR shirts. I'm gonna take it you meant the inland invasion crowd, well that's a festival with a lot of different bands, I know AiC fans who dislike GNR, and vice versa. So what?

Lemme tell ya, I was at two shows, and aside from some old farts in the front, most people found Bach amusing, and that's it. He's good advertising since all he talks about is GNR, but then, a billboard would do that just as well (and be more coherent).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4FgiqnSBOQ  right there people "fleeing GNR concerts"  look at all of them theyre all emo/goth.  Oh and by the way you can be a GNR fan and not like everything they do.  Come back when you guys can do a little researching on your own.

What's your point? A small percentage of people left the GNR arena concerts in the states too, I doubt they were all emo/goth.

that wasnt a small percentage of fans, that was a group of people leaving after the previous band played and during the first song GNR played.  GNR and Evanescence would be awful, it would be like that performance but worse, because GNR has more fans in common with Prodigy than Evanesence.  The points pretty obvious, but if you need me to spell it out, GNR without an album is going to sell alright because of hardcore fans.  Until they can reach non-hardcore fans that will not agree on an opener besides GNR they should not get a major opening act and no major opening act would want to tour with a band that at least in the states doesnt draw 20k people everynight.  The concert would be too expensive and Axl made a lot of people in the industry mad making fun of the opening act.  I was at the Cleveland show and Eagles didnt deserve that because they did exactly what wouldbe expected of them.  If Axl doesnt like their music he shouldnt have asked them to come on the tour.

Very doubtful them touring together

Evanescence is pretty good. Listen to a track like Lose Control before you call them Emo. There are some heavy riffs in there  8)

Wouldn't mind them touring together, however I don't think it will happen anytime soon.

Evan-whatever suck and should never be associated with gn'r. I'd rather have Axl doing a medium tour than selling out with calculated opening bands.

Not feeling that idea at all.  Hardlein should open for GN'R.

Amy Lee is not a big fan of Axl....She was quoted in a magazine saying that Axl Rose was the musician that most deserved to get smacked in the mouth.  This was about a year ago. Look it up. No B.S.....

If she ever slapped Axl in the mouth I would find her and kill her.

BUT regardless...

I think they attract different crowds. GN'R could pick up some younger fans, but I don't
think the majority would be into them.

yeah they will, kick ass music attract all ages

That would be awesome. Best rock male and female lead vocalist of all time together.

Hope this would never happen.. NEVER.. : ok:

After giving this some thought for a couple of days, I think this would be a great move for GNR. Especially here in the US, it could really bring in alot of younger fans to appreciate this band for what it is.

i still hope this will neveer happen... it would be a nightmare !

That tour wouldn't last one show.

Why?

Arnt they a Christian Rock band...... so called God rock, or the Cliff Richard of Rock?
Not sure that mixes well with GNR, Axl does have a crucifix round his neck most of the time though

I don't think "Christian Rock" means anything at all, outside the US, does it? I never realized it in any case... Wikipedia mentions an Amy Lee quote explaining they "are so over that", and that she "thinks it's lame" and all, that is was exagerated. There's actually an section in the entry titled "Christian controversy"
Anyway, I like them quite a lot. It just starts getting a little bit repetetive after a little while.

Evanescence will play the River Plate Stadium here in Argentina in support of Velvet Revolver and Aerosmith as a part of the Quilmes Rock Festival.

I know it because I already have a ticket for that show, you guys can check it for yourself at Ticketek's website for Argentina.

By the way, Im Juan from 2TI, pleased to meet all of you.

Are some of you really being serious?  like genuinely serious?  You honestly think that Papa Roach is bigger then GNR right now? HAHAHAHAHAH  They had ONE song and it was a minor hit in terms of anything GNR has ever had in terms of a single.  They are nothing while GNR is one of the all time best rock bands.  And Evanescence?  Bigger then GNR right now???  This is a joke right?  They are one album wonders.  There are no big rock bands anymore - rock, for all intensive purposes is dead.  When Nickelback is the biggest rock band out there, you know something is wrong.

What? Janis Joplin is touring with Guns N' Roses? wow! ::)

that would be great

This lame ass thread needs to die. Hard.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as that. I was just thinking it would be intresting to hear a duet by them because they both have high pitched voices. Imagine them do a new cover of "Sweet Child" or even maybe "Roquet Queen" if Amy should dare sthg like that..