Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just wanted to get some other fans' opinions on this.  Does anybody else get a little depressed when you think about how Axl is almost 45 now (pretty old in the rock world) and that he basically was in hibernation during his prime? I really think that Chinese Democracy will be great, but will it be worth being MIA (in the general publics' opinion) for basically the last 14 years?  Not to trying to be negative, just want to hear some honest opinions.

I don't want to talk about it.

yeah i try not to think about it and also really hope that they wrote a crapload of songs during this time!!

I just want CD and I want it in 5 weeks.

That will be all.

if this album is all its cracked up to be i wont complain.

would u rather have around 5 albums in that span that are merley mediocre or have only one or two good songs?


didnt think so.

And if CD ends up being merely mediocre with only a few good songs, then what?

it sucks... especially when back in 99 we'd be like oh it'll be out by late 200... but shit lets not worry about that now... we'll have a HUGE run real soon.... we'll forget about all those years!!

i think we lost the best years of Axl Rose and the real Guns n Roses, thats what i think

i kinda feel ripped off..I chose to follow gnr for life...no matter what...so, i kinda feel like my favorite band left me hanging.

lets wait till the album comes out. all i have to say is:

hes put alot of effort into this record and i respect that. especially in a time when alot of so called "artists" slap together a few singles surrounded by filler, call it an album, and put it out ever 2-3 years.

Well, since you asked....? I think in the pantheon of Iron Maiden songs, "Wasted Years" is vastly under rated.? While not on par with "Run to the Hills" or even "Running Free", "Wasted Years" is a great song? : ok:


(Jesus, I swear we talk about the same fucking topics every second or third month)? ?:hihi:

Your thread title explains it. They were wasted years. We should have gotten at least 3 or 4 albums in 14 years, but, we don't even have one.

you got Live Era, and GH :D

The thing that I find confusing about the whole thing is: ?We are all tired of waiting for this album because we put a lot of time into following its creation. ?Imagine how Axl must feel about the whole thing and how much of himself, his life. and his reputation he has riding on this. ?You would think he would just want to get it over with and release it!!!

well sure if ur a true guns fan and u really think about it should piss you off that he has taken so long. but as frustrated as i am, i still have great respect for him, i mean hes obviously not doing it for the money, and he obviously doenst care what people think about him. all he cares about is making the best album possible. and thats what matters.

Lol, same here - definitely the best song for me on 'Somewhere in Time'. Very underrated....

"But I don?t give a fuck about them (the years)
Cause I ain't crazy "

rhiad

Yeh, he wasted a few years touring and putting out a cd, but whos to say, during those years, he might have wrote some of the best songs we are likely to heaR? "I know thats a big claim, but this is chinese democracy after all"

Anyways, I dont care if he only releases this cd and doesn't tour for a year, as long as we have Cd in MARCH (LATEST APRIL) then ILL BE FKN Happy.

Think of it this way, Axl can keep on waiting about putting Chinese Democracy off from being released, but can the rest of the band mates (7 in total) wait as long as him?

I highly doubt it.

I think it's completely subjective. ?"Wasted Years" ?according to whom? ?IMHO, ?it seems that in the aftermath of Slash and Duff leaving, Axl was drifting a bit, thrown for a loop, not really sure what he really wanted out of all of this, or if he even wanted to do it all anymore. ?And by most accounts,(again we don't really know) he hasn't been in the studio 24/7 for years on end. ?I believe his "hibernation",if you will, was self-imposed on his part, he was tired of the trappings of fame.
 
 ?Personally, now that I'm a couple months away from turning 30, I no longer see 45 as old. ?Also, I'm glad that Axl never became one of those guys who will show up anywhere, anytime for press/attention. ?I'm also glad, he hasn't spent his time shitting out crappy album after crappy album just to say "look how productive I am!", if you know what I mean. ?Like when Contrabandcame out, VR were all "We recorded this in 3 weeks blah blah". ?I listened to it and thought maybe they should've spent a little more time trying to make it good instead.
 ?So if he's happy, more power to him, it's all that matters in the end. ?There's more to life than having some shitheads at Rolling Stone think you're relevant.

 Wow,I haven't been on here in a long fuckin' time. ?
 
 You're talkin' about "14 years wasted",right?

 ?Well,it's hard to say those years were "wasted" when Axl spent most of those years:
 
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 ?A) Recovering from the break-up with Seymour.

 ?B) Dealing with lawsuits out the ass.

 ?C) Watching as band members walked out the door.

 ?D) More fuckin' lawsuits.

 ?E) Trying to re-envision some semblance of a band and crew together/finding the right mix.

 ?F) Overcoming practically insurmountable pressure/hype.

 ?G) Dealing with personal issues regarding life and health (shit that's really no one's fuckin' business).

 ?H) Living up to satisfaction for himself regarding what should be deemed a "Guns N' Roses" album.

 ?H) FUCKIN' LAWSUITS!!!


 What's done is done. Ya can't whine about what could've or should've happened.

 ? Everything happens for a reason. ?We can't wonder all day long,'cause nothing can be changed anyway.
As far as I'm concerned,he's had a lot of shit to go through and deal with.
"Yeah,he's but fuckin' rich!" Blah,blah,blah! He's still a human being. Shit affects him just as much as it does you and I.

 ?I plan on being a multi-millionaire but,I know I'll still have problems. I might have a lot of zeros in my account,but I'll still bleed red and love to laugh and get sad and still shit like a bear.
 
 Money doesn't make you happy,it makes you comfortable. ?Does he have to worry about if he'll eat today? No. Does he have to worry about being laughed at on global fuckin' level? Yes.

 ? "Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you can judge him."

 ?Granted,CD could've/should've been released by now,but,HEY!...guess what?!?..it ain't. ?As far as I'm concerned,the last 14 years of MY life aren't wasted. I've been living!!
 If I didn't do shit from 1993 until now,all the while waiting for this new album,then yes,THAT'D be fuckin' wasted. If You DIDN'T do that,than nothing has been wasted. Not on our side.

 And not on Axl's side. 'Cause he's been living.

 ? ? GN'R FOREVER!!

 ? ? ? ? ? MATT

That's the best post I've read in a long time.

I don't think GN'R wasted what could have been their best years. Sure the old band did something amazing with the illusion albums and the tour, but after that many of the members and people around the band said that it was pretty much over because the band wasn't what it used to be. Judging from what we have heard over the years, it sounds like what happened with the breakup of the band and Axl going underground was really the only thing that could have happened.

And as much as I would have loved for GN'R to release an album in 94-96, this was a concept not shared by many people at the time. The vast majority of the public was sick of rock bands at that point and had GN'R released an album then I'm not too sure how well it would have done. If they had released an album then it probably would not have been recieved very well and the gnr legacy would not be what it is today, GN'R would be regarded as just another one of those rock bands that was big in the 80s but couldn't cut it in the 90s.

I think some of you are just making up excuses to why Axl has taking so long.  He should have at least went solo, in my opinion, and released some material during the last 14 years.  I'm 22, but have followed Axl many years and have made several people GN'R fans by playing them everyone I go.  But if there was more material there would be more attention, more fans, and the band of today would be considered GREAT even though we know they already are.  Errr..I have so many things to say on this subject.  YES THE YEARS WERE WASTED, MUSIC WISE, FOR AXL!!

Lots of Axl apologists on this board. ?Truth is we didnt lose anything Axl did. ?Thats why I feel bad because he should be at the top. ?However, you really cant feel like he did anything to you. ?I mean its his life he can live it as he likes and its great that we even got any music. ?I mean the chances that the original GNR would get together were one in a million and they did and it is great and we will always have that music.

However, in order for Chinese Democracy to be worth the delay it would have to be like 2 AFD's and thats not going to happen. ?And you can blame it on lawsuits and breakups but the fact is if he wanted he could have gotten an album out. ?Musicians who have lost limbs, who have gone to war, who have been shot and who have had no bands whatsoever have gotten cd's out in 1/28th the time it has taken Axl. ?You cant make excuses for it, nor can you be mad at it. ?He didnt want to release the music he made or he didnt want to make music or he was unable to make music. ?Its one of those three possibilities. ?To blame it on anything else is ignoring the sheer amount of stuidio time he has had. ?So I guess I disagree with people who think Chinese Democracy could be worth the wait, it wont be on many levels. ?I also agree with people who are mad about it too because when it comes down to it, it has nothing to do with the fans. ?Its Axl's life, its his carreer, his artistic integrity and his legacy. ?To us its relatively nothing. ?I also dont think Axl has had it that bad these last 14or so years. ?Being able to travel anywhere you want, to not have to worry about money, to not have to do anything really and to be out of the public eye but remaining an everypresent figure.

Oh and by the way in the mid 90's rock was bigger than it was now, atleast there seemed to be a big movement in melodic rock which I feel like GNR was best at or at least was leaning to with UYI's. ?I mean Oasis, Bush, Stone Temple Pilots etc...were all huge. ?I think a GNR album would have done well in the mid 90's

I feel like Axl wasted a lot, but in the end its disappointing but not angering.

i usually defend axl on the postponning / canceling thing. normal thing in production

but :

 A) Recovering from the break-up with Seymour.
nothing special here. shouldnt be an escuse.

 ?B) Dealing with lawsuits out the ass.
i think that's a normal situation for any creative industry.

 ?C) Watching as band members walked out the door.
that, i admit could have slown down the process

 ?D) More fuckin' lawsuits.
lawyers. and again, no escuse

 ?E) Trying to re-envision some semblance of a band and crew together/finding the right mix.
fair enough

 ?F) Overcoming practically insurmountable pressure/hype.
im sorry but the pressure hype was bulding up at the end. the more you wait. the more it comes. but "knowing" axl, i dont think he cares. - so null

 ?G) Dealing with personal issues regarding life and health (shit that's really no one's fuckin' business).
that's another story.

 ?H) Living up to satisfaction for himself regarding what should be deemed a "Guns N' Roses" album.
that is the main point.

 ?H) FUCKIN' LAWSUITS!!!
stupid


and again, i'm glad he took his time. i'm sure he would have released the cd if everything was set up fine.

seriously, do you have a life w/ feelings? I think you never broke up w/ some woman you loved like Axl loved Stephanie, and cause of that reason. In your post you seemed not care about his life, his feelings and the problems w/ law. Thats not excuse, dude, that's life. When he broke-up w/ an ex girlfriend, that hurted him. A lot. He is a lil depressive, if you had depression before you know how he would feel when you break up w/ who you love. He had tons of troubles when he was young/child, he doesnt like to talk about things that happened in the past. Why? That hurts him! Some things that happened in the past just hurted me enough for me to not talk about it. I'm not studying now cause of things that hurted me in the past, and when you have depression, you cant do shit, you dont have power, you dont have reason. That happened to him, and I can understand Axl, i can understand what happened. I dont feel sad cause of the "wasted time". I feel happy cause he "won" all those battles and is still rocking. He is doing music that we love, he will release a CD. Axl is a winner, he won several fights in his life and he is a genius cause he won those fights. :peace:

When the Album comes out and is great they wont be wasted if its rubbish it wont be a waste just a disapointment, but im 99% if not 100% certain that the album will be great so i dont worry about it

If its a kick ass then fine (and I'm sure it will be) then the wait is part of the whole karma...

How many bands/artist go the distance and churn out dross.... quality over quantity every time for me : ok:

No album 94-98 was okay (people were tired of them). But since 1999...  :no:

It can be very discouraging to think about the 14 years of silence we've all had to endure. I just hope that we are near the end of the silence.

Here's a good excuse for the wait.... he was re-creating Guns N' Roses. 

When I think of the bootlegs and how good the band sounds I'm glad it took that many years to get people like Mr. Foot, Mr. Fortus and Mr. Finck to come into the band and jam so tightly.  And I'd rather follow this incarnation than the 2002 'circus' version of the band.  They got their shit together now it seems and Axl has his voice. 

Would I have liked to see Axl playing shows in 1998?  Yeah.  Would I have wanted 'Oh My God' to be their best effort?  NO. 

And keep in mind he said that Paul Huge was the only reason why there is a Guns N' Roses, so perhaps for a large amount of that time he wasn't even completely sure what to do.  As fans did we have to endure and wait?  Yes.

Did we have to give up our own goals and dreams because Mr. Axl didn't put out a CD and play shows?  No. 

Does breaking up with a girlfriend kinda fuck you up sometimes?  Yeah.

Axl is the only one that should be upset at wasted years, but he doesn't seem to be, so worrying about its just a waste of my fucking time. 

Im a firm believer everything happens for a reason, and for one reason or another, Axl just wasn't meant to be spending those years performing for us, fans.. :-\

If anything, I think the lesson to be learnt is that once Chinese Democracy does drop, we have to embrace and cherish the days that follow as if they were our last.. :)

First off, I'm obviously as disappointed as everyone else that since UYI, Axl has failed to resurface with a new record. But one has to put the whole prime thing into context. A follow-up record with the UYI lineup might've been a wash. Izzy was already gone, and the sound would've been different from what it was before. Gilby could've brought interesting things into the mix, but I doubt he would've instantly had the same songwriting chemistry with the others that Izzy had developed over the years. Also, the music world began to change very soon after the UYI release, and the writing was already on the wall for bands like GNR. The band just shielded themselves behind a colossal world tour in order to keep the big wheel turning. The albums, the tour and the videos had excess written all over them. Those guys were like pigs dining in the king's table. Whatever would've have followed UYI, I seriously doubt it could've reprised the success GNR had enjoyed before that, partially regardless of the record's quality.

It would've probably done some good for them to just take some time for themselves, do their own stuff free from the GNR brand. Slash did that with Snakepit, Duff and Matt had Neurotic Outsiders. But even so, they were all in the situation where they were expected to return to GNR and churn out a new record while they were at it. It might've done some good for Axl as well to just give the comeback a rest, hole up in the studio with some new faces and put out a record-full of My World if that's the sort of experimenting he was interested in at the time. Then everybody would've gotten the monkey out of their backs, not to mention a break from all things GNR, and could've brought in new ideas spawned while working on their respective sideprojects. It would've also kept the fanbase happy, since there would've been more solo records to pick from.

That's as far as the 90's go in my opinion.

What about the wasted years 2001-2005? While I naturally would've liked to have the album out right after RIR3, I don't really think Axl was in any specific prime back in 2001, or 2002 for that matter. Now, throughout last year, he's consistently appeared to really enjoy the touring life again, not to mention coming up as 'the rock star'. ?Once again, he looks and acts the part. Of course, time waits for no man, and Axl's frontman days are growing short. But I do feel that in between 2003-05, he did manage to find in himself a new mid-life peak, the seasoned frontman who knows how to deliver.

I prefer this current situation to feeling embarrassed for him for whatever reasons that made him behave in certain ways during the '01-02 gigs.

While I loved your other points, I think this one is the most crucial of them all.

Time off was definately what was needed after the conclusion of the UYI tour. The position each bandmember probably felt at the time is very understandable, meaning you put me on the road touring with even the best of my friends for 2 and a half years, non-stop, tensions are most definately going to flare and things will probably be said that shouldn't have been said, resulting in hurt feelings.. :-\

Well he certainly hasnt been working on it constantly for 14 years. I think the guy was just enjoying life, chilling out, doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do. The original GnR pretty much toured constantly since the release of Appetite and Use Your Illusion. He probably just wanted to experience life, spending some of the millions that he had earned during those years.

I wouldnt call them wasted years, its pretty obvious that there is alot going on behind the scenes, stuff that i dont think we will ever know about, lawsuits, conflicting contracts, bad luck on Axls behalf!

Its close, it has to be!

Jonx

While I was mid-sentence in writing that Axl's sideproject bit, I realized that's what some people say about the CD sessions. I don't think its cracked up to be an 'Axl solo record' though, otherwise he would've put it out a good while ago. I think a lot of the delays have to do with him having an idea of what the vintage GNR sound should be, so to speak, and having a bunch of new faces coming up, trying to both master the sound with their respective styles and also, update it on their own right. I doubt Axl wants people to associate the album's sound with, say, Slash, like "that's a Slash solo". Then again, I think he's quite precious about the GNR brand and sound, and therefore can't afford to put out an album-full of My World's.

The more you think of it, the more understandable it gets that during '97-00, there really wasn't one specific direction towards which the band could strive. I'm not making excuses for Axl here, but I can't say I envy the man either. Having to rebuild a certain unit from the ground up, with the press and fanbase having all kinds of presumptions and opinions, is not exactly a care-free situation. In that sense, Axl's choice of going down under was probably a pretty logical development.

i've "wasted" years myself and it turned out to be for the better, as it also will in axl's case.
he is ready when he is ready, it is not up to us to determine whether or not he has wasted his time.
time spent on making the best damn record possible is not wasted time in my eyes.

every artist is different.

if axl felt he needed these years out of the limelight, so be it.

these 'wasted years' may pay off over the next few years if we get maybe 3 albums worth of material.

sure, axl could've tried harder to keep the original line-up together, but his musical vision for the band may have been sacrificed.

chinese democracy could mark the start of axl's second prolific era.

It completely sucks when I think of it.  So much time and talent wasted.  CD should've been done and out years ago.  No reason to take this long for one record.

Yes, I think it sucks.  I was having a blast following them around in the late 80's and early 90's and then suddenly nothing.  :(  They could have as many albums as the Stones or AC/DC, but instead we had to listen to crap music for most of the last decade.   :-\

The thing people dont ever mention is that if a normal band spent as much time as GnR has spent touring, in the studio, they could have come up with at least 2 albums of work.    So it is something other than not having the time to finish an album or being too emotional or whatever.

People break up and the more painful the breakup usually the more inspiring the art.  So the excuse that he had a tough breakup is moot because that should be inspiration for songs (which it clearly was which makes me think a lot of the lyrics were written in the 90's).

To Clarify: I'm not saying that the "last 14 years" were a personal waste of his life, I have no idea if they were.  But I do know that as far as his professional life (insanely popular singer/artist), you would have to be a little ignorant to not admit that he wasted them.  In the context of the music industry, you can't just skip ages 30 - 45 in your career and not admit that you may have wasted opportunities.  With all of that said, I'm still one of the biggest GNR (old and new) fans your going to find.  I just hope that this album is fucking amazing!!!

It's a shame. Usually, an artist  (or author, or athlete) has a window of opportunity when the ability/creativity is at  its peak. Once  it  is gone, it is really hard to recapture.

Secondly, as Mr. Young reminds  us,  it  is better to burn out than to fade away, so in that respect it  is very hard to come back from oblivion.

We will see if GNR has managed to do either, or  both, or neither.

I gotta tell you, I saw Bob Seger in 2006 at the old age of 61, and it was a great show.  And the Stones still tour all the time...there's plenty of rock n' roll left in GNR.

Bob Seger is 61? Already?
Wow.

I  wanted to see him, but by the time I checked into tickets only behind the stage was left, and I'm not paying $70 plus $20 parking plus $100 beer to sit behind the stage!!