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Title: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: MJRoses23 on January 24, 2007, 01:19:39 AM
Ive read on about 20 different topics about various rumors surrounding this song and it almost seems to be as mythical as the album itself.

So instead of trying to search every topic i wanted to make one where whoever has heard somethin about this track post what theyve heard, and Ill start.

It was supposed to be on the "What Dreams May Come" soundtrack.


Again this is just a thread to pretty much gather as much info about the track as possible, and have it all right here.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Mr.Intensity on January 24, 2007, 03:03:09 AM
If I remember right it was supposed to be the deepest song lyric wise, that Axl had ever written.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: A Private Eye on January 24, 2007, 07:30:39 AM
It hasn't mean mentioned by any band member in about 7 or 8 years. It is supposedly a piano driven ballad of 4-6 minutes in length and as Mr I said Axl said it was the deepest song he had ever written back in 94 or 95.

There was an intersting thread on Roses of Velvet the other day about This I love, where it was speculated This I love is now possibly The Blues.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: kriss_boy on January 24, 2007, 07:47:17 AM
Wasnt bach raving about Sorry a couple of months ago?Saying how awesome it was?

Jeez when will CD be out guys  :(


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: polluxlm on January 24, 2007, 09:10:40 AM
It hasn't mean mentioned by any band member in about 7 or 8 years. It is supposedly a piano driven ballad of 4-6 minutes in length and as Mr I said Axl said it was the deepest song he had ever written back in 94 or 95.

There was an intersting thread on Roses of Velvet the other day about This I love, where it was speculated This I love is now possibly The Blues.

Given that Buckmaster mentioned This I Love by name in 2005 they're not the same song.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: kaasupoltin on January 24, 2007, 09:18:22 AM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: polluxlm on January 24, 2007, 09:19:35 AM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.

It's also rumoured that This I Love is being played by Axl in one of the Making Fuckin Videos (Don't Cry?).


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: kaasupoltin on January 24, 2007, 09:25:55 AM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.

It's also rumoured that This I Love is being played by Axl in one of the Making Fuckin Videos (Don't Cry?).

Really? Never heard that one.. but for now, it's just unnecessary to try to find it somewhere, it could be anything. And would it even be the same as it is now, or even as it was '94-'95..


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: rds.06 on January 24, 2007, 09:26:11 AM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.

It's also rumoured that This I Love is being played by Axl in one of the Making Fuckin Videos (Don't Cry?).

I thought it was the making of Estanged when Dizzy speaks and it is playing in the background, im not sure, i ask the same question on another forum and that was the reply i got. ;D


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: sic. on January 24, 2007, 09:32:49 AM
Howard Karp worked on the song in 2000. His discography (http://members.aol.com/hkpwnetd/disc.html) lists him as an assistant engineer to Roy Thomas Baker and Caram Constanzo.


Grog Mug actually spoke with him (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=10960.msg188875#msg188875) via e-mail, this was Karp's response on the experience:

"it was very boring, sorry to say, just axl and his piano (no singing) and a bunch of idiots running around catering to him and stroking him.

i don't know if they'll ever release anything... shame."



It's kind of funny, considering. The lyrics (as well as much of the composing) was arguably done by 1998, when the song was to be featured on the What Dreams May Come soundtrack. Fastforward two years and their back into tinkering with the piano tunes.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: oneway23 on January 24, 2007, 10:18:06 AM
It's kind of funny, considering. The lyrics (as well as much of the composing) was arguably done by 1998, when the song was to be featured on the What Dreams May Come soundtrack. Fastforward two years and their back into tinkering with the piano tunes.

That pretty much crystallizes what the whole experience has been like for everyone, both band and fans alike.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Mr. Nik™ on January 24, 2007, 10:35:13 AM
that's from an article of Splat, July 2005:

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'This I Love', a song originally destined for the soundtrack of 'What Dreams May Come', is also likely to feature on the new album, and is regarded as another of Axl's personal favourites. The piano-led ballad has historically been described by Axl as the heaviest song he has ever written (emotionally speaking). The song, which was originally penned during the 1990's, is described by Dave Dominguez as a "very heartfelt' love song of about 5 minutes or more in length.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: chineseroses on January 24, 2007, 12:02:01 PM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.

that turned out to be an eric clapton song.

I think Axl tried to get it on to the "What Dreams May Come" movie but it was rejected, i think it was described as "a medicore piano ballad"


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: estrangedpaul on January 24, 2007, 12:09:43 PM
There is an interesing quote on Dave Dominguez's Myspace discography:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4004825&blogID=123355255&MyToken=44c4ca83-56cd-44dd-9157-94804f444529

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GUNS N'ROSES

Forthcoming Release? (Geffen/Interscope)

Various Tracks?

(I was the first engineer when the went into the studio for this new record-almost 9! years ago- nothing I did is left- but I was there
I wonder is he talking about the songs or just his parts?

According to Wikipedia he mentioned working on This I Love and The Ides Of March.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: rckn on January 24, 2007, 12:10:53 PM
"Jeez when will CD be out guys"

Never?  ???


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
I'm surprised no one asked about this song over the last year to any of the band members, since many people met them and what not...


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: justynius on January 24, 2007, 01:12:58 PM
I'm surprised no one asked about this song over the last year to any of the band members, since many people met them and what not...

I thought one of the band members said it was their favorite song on the album?


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Lord Kayoss on January 24, 2007, 01:13:16 PM
I think there was a rumour about This I Love being played during UYI-tour as an intro to November Rain.. or as a part of the intro.

It's also rumoured that This I Love is being played by Axl in one of the Making Fuckin Videos (Don't Cry?).

Really? Never heard that one.. but for now, it's just unnecessary to try to find it somewhere, it could be anything. And would it even be the same as it is now, or even as it was '94-'95..


I have all three of those old tapes.  I might have to check that out.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: stan1ey on January 24, 2007, 01:13:23 PM
I'm surprised no one asked about this song over the last year to any of the band members, since many people met them and what not...

I did but don't recall getting a response.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: justynius on January 24, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
that's from an article of Splat, July 2005:

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'This I Love', a song originally destined for the soundtrack of 'What Dreams May Come', is also likely to feature on the new album, and is regarded as another of Axl's personal favourites. The piano-led ballad has historically been described by Axl as the heaviest song he has ever written (emotionally speaking). The song, which was originally penned during the 1990's, is described by Dave Dominguez as a "very heartfelt' love song of about 5 minutes or more in length.

If this is true, then it is obviously not The Blues.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: bringbackadler on January 24, 2007, 01:34:13 PM
I heard 'Sorry' is 'This I love' but re-worked. I can't remember which thread I was reading this on. Has anyone else heard anything similar to this. If it is bs, then I apologize.    8)


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on January 24, 2007, 01:45:13 PM
I heard 'Sorry' is 'This I love' but re-worked. I can't remember which thread I was reading this on. Has anyone else heard anything similar to this. If it is bs, then I apologize.    8)

Definetly havent heard that. The only thing we have heard about Sorry is what Sebastian said about it, that it was almost like doom metal.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: AxlsMainMan on January 24, 2007, 02:07:55 PM
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Before anyone gets excited this film was released in 1998 and the song didn't feature on it! And whilst I appreciate it is old it's never been publicly known until recently. But here are the two articles on it:

http://www.sp1at.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=425

Guns n Roses were offered a soundtrack spot

Sp1at.com can exclusively reveal that the soundtrack for the Robin Williams film "What Dreams May Come" was meant to feature the as yet unheard Guns n Roses song "This I Love".

Last week, in a Sp1at interview Dave Dominguez revealed that during his time working with the band the song was intended for a "Robin Williams film" but he did not give any further details. Sp1at's intrepid reporters followed this up and found out that this was the case. Sp1at contacted the office of Dawn Soler, the musical supervisor for the film, and she confirmed that this indeed was "true".

Unfortunately for Guns fans the film got its cinematic release in 1998 and did not feature music from the band. The song "This I Love" which Axl Rose described in 1994 as the "hardest" song he's written has yet to see the light of day. Although Howard Karp, who worked on the song in 2000, has told Sp1at in the past that it is a "simple piano track".

In the 7 years that have passed since the release of "What Dreams May Come" Guns n Roses have released only one new studio track, "Oh My God", which featured on the soundtrack of the film "End of Days".

http://www.sp1at.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=429

Dawn Soler talks about the GnR song "This I Love"

Dawn Soler, the musical supervisor for the film "What Dreams May Come" has been speaking exclusively to Sp1at about working with Guns n Roses's Axl Rose.

When asked whether she could recollect any of the song that she probably hasn't heard for around 7 years she unfortunately said "Oh boy that was a long time ago", she was also unsure how the oppourtunity to work with Axl came along in the first place.

However, she assure me that Axl "was really into the film" and rather interestingly suggested that he "wrote the song for it". This contradicts an interview from 1994 where Axl said he had already written the song, which many fans speculated was about Dylan, the son of Axl's one time partner, Stephanie Seymour.

However the film did not make the final cut despite Dawn's fondness of the Guns n Roses track, the reason she gave Sp1at was that "the director was a pill and didn't get how cool it would be".

If any Guns n Roses fans feel the need to send hate-mail to that director then I believe his name is Vincent Ward and he lives in New Zealand.*

The new Guns n Roses album "Chinese Democracy" is currently rumoured for release between April and July depending on which reports you choose to believe. Whether the song "This I Love" will ever be released is unsure and for that we have Mr. Ward to blame.

*Sp1at feels the need to point out that it doesn't condone people sending hate-mail to idiot directors*

It's hardly ground breaking but its only surfaced recently and some people may find it interesting!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=18736.0

Pretty crazy what the search option yields ;)


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Mr.Intensity on January 24, 2007, 03:03:24 PM
The song isn't The Blues and I asked about This I love several times to a couple people in the know about the band and got nothing on it.... :'(


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2007, 03:13:51 PM
hmm. i have a feeling this song will be one of those 'lost tracks' that is buried or maybe dug up at a later time...


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: bazgnr on January 24, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
hmm. i have a feeling this song will be one of those 'lost tracks' that is buried or maybe dug up at a later time...

Or surfaces several albums later...


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Mr.Intensity on January 24, 2007, 05:51:59 PM
I really hope this album is an overwhelming success because if it is I'm sure there is enough good material left to use with about 6-8 new tunes and make another album right away...

It would suck if we never get to hear this song after hearing so much about it over the years.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: bazgnr on January 24, 2007, 06:04:21 PM
I really hope this album is an overwhelming success because if it is I'm sure there is enough good material left to use with about 6-8 new tunes and make another album right away...

It would suck if we never get to hear this song after hearing so much about it over the years.

Agreed.  For what little its worth, I can't imagine CD *not* being a success.  Even if "This I Love" isn't the best fit with the other tracks on Democracy, I imagine it will be released.  The question, as always, is when...


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: bringbackadler on January 24, 2007, 06:42:54 PM
Maybe this track will show up on the 'OLD SCHOOL 2' soundtrack this summer.  :yes: Though, something tells me the song might not fit well in the movie. I mean, depending on how deep the song is. Or maybe better yet Axl will have a cameo in the movie and he will comment on Chinese Democracy. Yeah, again I doubt it but that may be cool.   : ok:


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: A Private Eye on January 24, 2007, 06:51:28 PM
How does any of the info provided so far conclusively prove it is not The Blues? I'm not saying This I Love is The Blues, but it's a theory and there's no evidence out there that definately disproves it. The Sp1at articles may be from 05 but they all refer to Axls comments back in 94 or relate to the song being used on the soundtrack of What Dreams May Come in 98 there's no interview from anyone who mentions hearing the song after 2000.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on January 25, 2007, 06:36:44 PM
There was also a rumor that the piano part of This I Love was used as the November Rain intro during the 2002 tour.  This was never anything but speculation but it would be cool if it was true, or at least if that intro was part of one of the new songs, it sounded quite epic


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Mr.Intensity on January 25, 2007, 09:24:01 PM
How does any of the info provided so far conclusively prove it is not The Blues? I'm not saying This I Love is The Blues, but it's a theory and there's no evidence out there that definately disproves it. The Sp1at articles may be from 05 but they all refer to Axls comments back in 94 or relate to the song being used on the soundtrack of What Dreams May Come in 98 there's no interview from anyone who mentions hearing the song after 2000.

This I love is clearly not the blues, The Blues lyrics are deep, but definitely not "the deepest Axl's ever wrote".. check out Coma/Estranged/November Rain, i'd say those are all deeper than "The Blues".. I'd expect This I love to be more deep lyric wise than the blues...

I'd bet my left nut that the Blues isn't "This I love." :peace:


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: sic. on January 26, 2007, 01:46:50 AM
How does any of the info provided so far conclusively prove it is not The Blues?

First off, there's really no way to conclusively prove anything regarding songs that haven't been heard yet. I remember people saying TWAT was about child abuse before it leaked - now we know that's certainly not the case.

But, Howard Karp worked on a song called This I Love in 2000. In January 2000, Axl mentioned The Blues as one of the new songs in the Rolling Stone interview. Karp worked on This I Love with Roy Thomas Baker, who was first mentioned to work with GNR in late April. Granted, RTB might've been part of the fold from, say, March. But they'd hardly change a song title to 'The Blues' in January, then switch it back to 'This I Love' later in the year, and do yet another turnaround before 2001.

Therefore, I have a very strong reason to believe This I Love and The Blues are two different songs.


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: Czr on January 26, 2007, 02:46:02 AM
I'm sure I'm going out on a limb here with this comments, specially because it is somewhat related and off-topic at the same time. Is Chinese Democracy the official name of the next CD/Album or was it a rumor from many a long years back that has taken a life of it's own?


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: justynius on January 26, 2007, 09:33:08 AM
Last I checked, The Blues was not "five minutes or more in length"


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: chineseroses on January 26, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
I'm sure I'm going out on a limb here with this comments, specially because it is somewhat related and off-topic at the same time. Is Chinese Democracy the official name of the next CD/Album or was it a rumor from many a long years back that has taken a life of it's own?

No Axls sated many times that its called "chinese democracy"


Title: Re: This I Love...any info or rumor please post
Post by: highend88 on January 27, 2007, 09:49:17 PM
http://members.aol.com/hkpwnetd/disc.html

Howard Karp work on that in 2000.