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Jarmo, I just wanna ask you something that I can?t seem to understand: How come there?s no "Slash was inducted into Hollywood?s Rockwalk" news on the homepage of the website?

I understand you want to highlight the new band and all that but... how come forget about Slash and what he has done to the band, as if he hadn?t have any importance at all.
I think we, GN?R fans, wouldn?t mind being informed about the ex-members we love so much. If I?m not mistaken, VR related news were posted before in the homepage. But even if you don?t wanna post  post VR news there anymore, this ain?t about VR, it?s about Slash man, Slash... :no:

because slash hasn't been in guns n' roses for 11 years and this is a guns n' roses site, simple as that.
for slash news, go check out a vr site.

I still think respect should be shown to those who helped create Guns N' Roses. You got a VR forum.. Is everyone suppose to forget Slash and Co.?

i think most of us are appreciative of what slash contributed.
that being said, he is no longer in guns n' roses. case closed.

lol... u again? And the question is directed to Jarmo... thanks : ok:

me again? what the fuck?
what is that supposed to mean?
and you're welcome :-*

deep inside i think you know what that is supposed to mean : ok: ::)


you're welcome :-*

thanks cheap jon :-*

let's stay on subject here.
slash is long gone, he plays in and represents VR, he has no current connection to guns n' roses and last time i checked this was a guns n' roses site. hence he is not a priority here. is that hard to grasp?

Well seems Slash and Gilby news is posted..

He got an award for the work he did in Guns N' Roses [and Velvet Revolver] so  that would be considered GNR news.

Stop e-hating 2007what.  ::)

true about what he was getting on there for  : ok:

what happened to the -4 karma EFISH?

That?s it! It?s Slash! It should interest every GN?R fan right? Or just cos hes no longer in GN?R we should erase him from our minds as if he had never existed?  :no:

Since the guy actually got an award for what he did with guns, it should be up there.

Another reason why I'm surprised is because that in the past all VR related news was posted there and now it suddenly stops, My guess is Jarmo has had a pretty big "Change" of heart? :confused:

It's only natural a GN'R site shifts focus to GN'R when the band is active.


In hindsight, the VR news in the past were sometimes too "much". The focus should've been on the ex-members and not on what Scott was doing.





/jarmo

this is a guns n roses fansite. that means everything that has to do with guns n roses (past,present,future). Including slash! Didn't slash (with others) write the music to WTTJ,SCOM,PC,DC,NR...YCBM? I think so. therefore any new news about the old members should be mentioned. without them gn'r would have never existed. 
                                                                                                                     :yes:

That works for me.

Fair enough, Although I still think that this particular piece of news should be on the frontpage since it is Gnr related and it is focusing on slash and what he has done with guns, so it isn't about scott or the other guys....
 

Slash didn't help to create GnR: he joined the band when Guns N Roses were already created.

Slash who?

Got nothing to add to the thread?, then stay out  ::)

are you kicking me out of the thread? :nervous:

Yes I am....you like it??? :-*

I do the same on my site, I rarely talk about VR or the ex-members because my site is about GN'R and they've been pretty active these past few months. Slash sites rarely talk about Axl, even though they've been in the same band for a while, and usually when they do talk about Axl, it is not very positive.

Slash who?

he may well have not created the band Guns N' Roses by name, but he created what the band means and it's music, he created what it stands for and why people love it.
I think we'd all much rather recognise slash as a creator in GnR rather than Tracii Guns

Moron.

hu?mor

?noun

the faculty of perceiving what is amusing or comical: He is completely without humor.

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Here, have a negative karma you very intelligent young man.

why you giving efish negative karma? you were the one that had the completely pointless post ::)

Mostly, because I can.

Sorry that I didnt find anything humorous about that.  ::)

Oh, and @ at the 2 last posts: He just wants to feel important.

I'm not a mod but even I can see why Adz gave him - Karma. He insulted another member and that is against the rules.

It's alright not to find my comments humorous, I find a lot of people's posts completely lacking in humor when they find them absolutely hilarious, or cool.

However, breaking the rules is breaking the rules.

Because he said "Slash who?" and I dont care if that was "humor"....it pissed me off. Slash helped write all these songs, the one the band plays to this day and I dont care if we dont talk about him....but he deserves respect. If he came back to GNR, everyone would be saying nothing but good things.

So I guess Duff who is out of the question too huh?

I dont know what you're saying but all the old members deserve respect on a Guns N' Roses board.....and from a moderator, especially.

Now, I guess he can percieve it as humor, but I and many others won't so when people see the moderator saying that, they will see it's ok and start doing it too.

Grow up. It was a joke, everyone knows it. You just like to start trouble, so just stop.  : ok:

yes but it was also incredibly hypocritical of Adz.
if he was being fair he'd give himself negative karma

I'm not allowed to show my point on the matter? And you're the one coming in and starting stuff.....the second I saw you posting, I knew what you were going to say. You're like a broken record, and all you do is suck up to the mods here and try and enforce rules. It is you who needs growing up.  : ok:

Well, you're not if you can't do it without breaking the rules.

Sucking up to the mods? No, but I do have respect for Jarmo and his rules on this board. Just like I have respect for most other webmasters, except the ones who like to spam other peoples boards. I guess you know who I mean.  8)

dude what the fuck, just admit that that is exactly what you are doing, EFISH have a great respect for jarmo, and the he has on his forum are almost exactly the same rules, i don't notice any big difference and i'm there almost more then i'm here nowadays, and he aint fuckin' spammin other peoples boards, he has most of the time something to say in his posts, in difference to you dude, the mods don't ever need your help, i aint posting this to help efish just that you are annoying when you always have to suck up to the mods ::)

He didnt spam CD.com or try to get people to pretend they are Jarmo other there? Is that what you're saying? Do I need to prove you wrong or what?

This is going to go back and forth forever, so I think it should be locked. I'm seriously fucking tired argueing with you. So I'm done with this thread.



P.S there's a difference from spamming and posting one "humor" thread in the "garden" section which is like the trashcan section.

no that aint what you are saying, that about people pretending to be jarmo have i never heard of and the spamming bs have efish already explained and i know about it since i was kinda involved with it too,

i don't get why you are always trying to get efish look bad and stuff and when you see him post something you try to misunderstand him or see what the first mod say about it and then agree with that mod,

we already know the answer to the question in the thread this so i say what  efish already said just lock it, it's pointless to continue this BS : ok:

It was more then 1 thread, and you encouraged others to post spam topics as well. Plus you were trying to get people to impersonate Jarmo. That shows exactly how much respect you have for him and his board. You don't see him getting people to impersonate you or anyone else do you? No that's right because he isn't a little child. And you can take that any way you like, which you're going to anyway.

once again i have never heard of this, so don't say that i have anything to do with that :nervous:



no and i don't see anybody here who have said that jarmo does stuff like that,

what's going on in your head dude, just stop with the fuckin' BS, me and efish don't want anything to do with you so you can stop be so obsessed with us thank you very much..

don't reply anymore lies please, it adds nothing to the discussion about why there isn't anything about slash on the main page

The post wasn't directed at you, you posted seconds before I did....


Again I wasn't talking to you but since you want to get involved, I was proving a point. Jarmo doesn't do that stuff to anyone else, so why should efish do it to him?


I'm not the one obsessed here. I'm trying to prove a point and you guys try to do whatever you can to get out of it. Which is par for course for you bunch. It's time for you guys to grow up and stop acting like little kids.

I have nothing more to say to you chineseblues, lets go our seperate ways,

mod please delete all this shit,

thank you for your co-operation

How about we actually keep this thread on topic, because I for one would like to have a discussion on this subject...

What I meant was create the sound of Gn'R. God damn some of you people are amazing. And if you disagree with creating the Gn'R sound then stop listening to the band.

I replied to what you wrote.... if you mean something else, try to write in a better way :P

btw, I respect all former gnr members... I respect you... then pls, try to respect me: don't say "stop listening the band" or other stupid things like that, thanks ;)

Do we REALLY have to go over that debate once AGAIN in that section (which is supposed to be about the board, not the band's name, which member created what and so on)? I mean come on guys, move the f*** on. The "old band" has been over for more than 10 years. Yeah everything they did between 1987 and 1993 is great and they did contribute to GN'R's name and we're all thankful for that, but it's 2007 now, it's a new band.

Lol... I?m glad my thread set this whole discussion... which I think, for us, GN?R fans, is extremely relevant...
Anyway, I really admire you guys (this, if you are being thrutful of course) who defend this new band so fiercely that all that is "old", doesn?t matter anymore. I wonder what you guys listen from Guns... do you keep listening the demos over and over? Cos that?s all we got till now! Don?t you listen anymore to the "old" stuff? The "old" stuff that made you a fan, the "old" stuff that became one of the best and most successful rock bands ever, the "old" stuff we SHOULD keep respecting for all it was, and means even today...
Sometimes I wonder if this "oh, let?s forget about the "old" band and all that has to do with it" shit, started with the purpose to make ppl focus on the new band, to highlight the new band, to make ppl think that this band has all we need to respect it and become a fan as we did to  the "old" band. But by doing this, we are forgeting something really important: this board, as I think, should unite all GN?R fans around the world. The problem is, there will always be those that prefer the new band, and others that keep loving and praising the old one. By despising everything that is related to the old band, there will be many fans who will feel bad about it. There should be a balance... this, of course, if this board is meant to put all GN?R fans together... or maybe, this has simply turned into a new GN?R board as the time passed, and some ppl, like me, didn?t see it coming.  :confused:

I personally have AFD, UYI, GH, AFD & UYI demos, CD demos and live tracks on my MP3 player. I respect the old band and listen to their work a lot, but as it happens there's a new band that is active especially since last year and I don't see the problem in focusing more on them than the past.

That old vs. new GN'R thing is getting so old over the years. There was the same debate in 2001 and I see nothing changed in 6 years. As much as new GN'R fans focus more on the new band, most old GN'R fans don't want to accept there's a new band and it's not 1993 anymore.

You don't have TSI Will?

But I don?t wanna start  an "old" vs "new" thread! As I said in my previous post, all I?m  asking is some balance between both (not giving one band too much importance, or despise the other one) , here on the board to keep all GN?R fans united (lol this might sound stupid but I still belive in these things) so discussions like these stopped going on.  : ok:

I do, but I only really like Ain't It Fun, which is on GH...;) As for Lies, all of them (acoustic part) are on my Live Unplugged CD which is also on my MP3 player.

I think there's a balance here on the board. People can talk about Slash and co. in their section, I don't know what we can do more.

Balance?

I think that's an utopia. You can't please everybody.


It's 2007 and if the band is as active this year as they were last year, the focus will be on the current band on this board. It's natural.

I'm not gonna start telling people to post more about the old band when people are excited about a show or some other current news, just to keep the so called balance.

I was a fan back when the original line up was around, I remember the days of UYI and "TSI?". That doesn't mean I can't move on and be excited about the current band.

To me it seems like many people haven't gotten over what happened over ten years ago.




/jarmo

Getting over the classic band's break-up has nothing to do with having problems when very_important_Slash news don't make the first page. It's great that a lot of things happened last year in the current GN'R's world (although some of the major things were censored, like Merck's open letter) and it's normal, it's obvious that a Guns N' Roses Fan Site focus mainly on the current Guns N' Roses. But this site wouldn't be here without Slash&Co so they deserve respect and publicity. I think when something important is happenin' with the guys who are no longer in the band but made major contributions (to name them: Slash, Duff, Izzy, Matt and Steven) it has to be on the first page. When a band that has 3 of the important ex-members make blogs on their official site which contains new stuff, it has to be on the first page. And since right now nothing much happenin' in the world of the current GN'R, at least not much for the public, there is enough room for the bigger ex-member news. (I don't get the 'too much happenin' with GN'R right now, there is no place for ex-members' thing though.)

 :peace:

What I don't understand is how people consider Slash putting his hands in some cement important news.

yeah funny, would you be saying the same if it was axl?

Cause of what it means. It's not just cement. Get a clue.

It means he's getting credited for something by something I've never heard of?

So if you haven't heard about it why comment?

Because I don't understand what the huge deal is because I haven't even heard of this amazing honour.

I kind of see where they're coming from, but I still agree. Even though the forum would be going apeshit if it was Axl putting his hands in some cement. :hihi:

Maybe I didn't think it was really important? I don't know if I heard of this thing before.....

Maybe I had other things on my mind?

Maybe you're only assuming things without actually knowing shit?



Censored?

I didn't censor the letter. I chose not to post it.






They get plenty of respect. That's why they're mentioned all over the site.





Unfortunately for you, you don't run the site.





No it doesn't.

It's a new band. They're trying hard to make it about that band and not based on them being former GN'R members.





Get used to seeing less VR news on this site as long as GN'R is active.




/jarmo

here it is: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=42143.0 
That?s just normal you didn?t know about this, if you don?t go often to the VR part of the board... that?s why this whole thread started... Cos nowhere, but in the VR section, was this news posted (now is is in the homepage though http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1754   :)).         

        

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question... I know you got more to do but I just think this is important stuff that needs to be discussed. I understand your point of view, really... It?s just  that sometimes I think fans like me (who are very excited about the new band, and CD, and the tour and all that, but keep having the old band in their hearts, never forgetting it) kinda don?t have space on this board... It?s just a weird feeling... That?s why I mentioned the balance thing, so we could all feel good here. But I know it?s impossible to please everybody and all that, but it was already good we got to discuss this... really. : ok:


Just to finish, I noticed many posts here that sound kinda hypocrite like "Slash who?" and others that make me wonder if you really think that way or just post that stuff to sound cool or other shit like that... It?s just sady anyway... :no:

I saw the thread ages ago, I read pretty much everything.

I just meant, the "LA Rockwalk" or whatever doesn't sound particuarly prestigious or exciting considering I've never heard of it and that he was inducted with Dio and a drummer I've never heard of.

ok... my bad then  ;)

Alot of people in america know of this. And we'd like to hear about it

Alot of people think its important. I do! This site is about Guns N' Roses. Including Old Members and New.
Thats whats cool ablout sites like these. We include everything about GN'R, New or Old. You know there is more Gn'R material (Music, Articles, Pictures and Info.) About the old band On the net, Than there is about the new one anyway. If Axl got the "new stuff" rolling it might change. But So far it hasn't, other than some live shows.

honestly, i'd never heard of it either up until this whole slash fiasco and all these whiners complaining that tommy stinson gets more preference than slash on a guns n roses site. 

some should find a slash site or a velvet revolver site or something.    its not about disrespecting the ex-members,  I respect all of them and everything they did in the band.   but this is not really not about them anymore, as most of them chose to leave for other projects.   

Oh, okay. I pretty much agree with u there.

No offense, but I don't think the value or importance of an honour should be decided by whether or not you have personally heard of it before.

No disrespect meant. It just seems like odd reasoning to me.

And I'm not saying the news should be featured on the main page of the site, that's up to Jarmo.

I'm all for Tommy having news on the site or any other current member. I just think if something like this comes up it should be featured for any member past or present.

As Slash got that award for the work he did in Guns n' Roses, I personally think it is Gn'R-news. But anyway it's not a big deal.. Jarmo runs this site so it's his decision, it doesn't mean he doesn't respect the guy. There's alot going on right now so I kinda understand why it's not posted on frontpage, but maybe two years back it would've been. Blaaeeh. Dead Horse.

the hatred for the old band is a bit disturbing at times considering that GnR got all their fame from the orig members not just Axl, and IMO certain members should give credit where credit is due...but they won't an such is life...i get over it

ALSO ...this site has evolved into more of a place for Axl and the new band to be discussed...its not really surprising to me that Slash news isn't reported on the main page...anybody that cares about Slash news reads the VR section anyway :peace:

the rock walk is a pretty big deal lots of inductees on it check out their list of hand prints http://www.rockwalk.com/inductees/

Quite normal, since this is a GN'R site. And GN'R is not a dead band from the past, it's alive and well, and it's out there. (Btw, this is not aimed at you Neemo, I just quoted you for this particular sentence : ok:).

Regarding the fact that this Slash news should or should not be posted on the main page of HTGTH, I think it shouldn't.

Because Slash isn't in the band anymore (I'm so tired of writing that down, I think it's the 10,000,000th time).

I mean, I know what the fuck he did for the band, I've been a fan since the end of the 80's, but it is as a GN'R fan that I don't want to see his name on the news of the front page. (This is no paradox).

As a GN'R fan, the GN'R from early 80's till nowadays, I want news regarding the band nowadays. So no Slash, thankx.

I don't want no VR news, I don't follow that band, and this ain't a VR site.

Its all cool...


i agree ... if its VR news but....


he was inducted mainly for his contributions to GnR in the 80's and 90's thus honoring AFD and UYI's...that should be of at least passing interest to any GnR fan IMO :peace:

I would agree if it had happened while he was still in the band, but he hasn't been for over 10 years.

So what you're saying is, if any of the ex members get any little award, no matter how small it is for the stuff they did while they were in gnr they should get mentioned? Don't you think the site would be cluttered with that shit then?

no not really....how many awards have been handed out to ex members recently? oh yeah one...slash's induction...robin and bbf taking a trip to a guitar shop gets attention...i would think that this is a bit higher profile ::)

anyway the GnR world is so slow with news these days...what would this story hurt in all honesty...i like all news pertaining to GnR...old or new...and i'm sure there are more like me around :peace:

EDIT: anyway whether or not Slash news is reported doesnt bother me I'll find it somewhere...I mean its Jarmos site he can post what he deems imprtant news to GnR...but to say that Slash's contributions to GnR aren't relevant to GnR anymore isnt true at all IMO....

Great post Neemo - as per usual, right on the money?

A small tribute it may be, but a tribute almost soley in recognition of his electrifying and unforgettable guitar work in GN'R

Generations of guitarists and music fans will long cherish the contributions he made to that great band

newsworthy on a GN'R site?  there's just no question? :beer:

the above post says so much.

If the news is to do with Slash's work from when he was in Guns N'Roses then SURELY it should be posted on a GUNS N'ROSES site?! Not being in the band anymore has nothing to do with it. On gunsnroses.com they have "'welcome to the jungle' honoured in a poll" thing (http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061212&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp)-So you're telling me that shouldn't be up there because it's nothing to do with the New Guns N'Roses? I'm suspecting your answer is that is should be there, but if that's the case then the same should apply with the Slash/GnR news too. Surely that's only logic?!

do you think Axl would appreciate it being on the front page?  probably not.  :hihi:   i dont know, I can't speak for Axl.   But I believe this site is where Axl wants to give his information to the fans, so I think its more a respect thing to the current GNR that we dont draw much attention to former members no longer involved in the band.  :peace: 

To be honest, it doesn't really bother me because if I want to hear about Slash or any of the ex-members I just read the forum anyway. The whole 'giving the new band respect' though is a tricky thing though. Lets be honest here, they will never be fully respected until an album is released. Plus the official GnR people have to share blame for the new band not getting so much respect because on gunsnroses.com they continue to post pictures of just Axl Rose and not any of the other members. Wouldn't you, if you were a member of that band, be a little pissed off that on your official band site you are nowhere to be seen? Like you keep saying, this is Guns N'Roses, it's a band, not an Axl Rose solo project. So if that's the case there should be pictures of them all over the site surely? I'm sure it's purely for promotional reasons but if Axl wants people to take this new band seriously he has to showcase them as being an actual band. Sorry if I've gone a little off topic.? :P

It raises an interesting question: what does Slash write on his tax return? You have to have a last name. ???
It  can't be "Slash Slash" anymore than it could be "Kramer."

He could, but he probably signs with Saul Hudson.

try way off topic   ::)   if you put YOUR personal feelings on the whole thing aside and looked at it objectively, you'd see what I am saying makes perfect sense.