Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6269953.stm

In the UK we have this program called 'Big Brother' - basically it  works in the same way as the 'bread and circuses' idea did in ancient Rome - and is lapped up by those who for want of a better word or two - have rather low aspirations

Centering on unremarkable people dong banal things it electrifies the lives of those unable to engage in more meaningful activities

However some of the members havent towed the party line and dared express opinions, currently illegal in Britain

Today we had the Prime Minister himself addressing the issue in Parliament

Apparently members of the house have said 'rascist' remarks - shock!

My rather rambling point is the sad state the nation is in when silly comments from nobodies now merit the attention of the Prime Minister himself

I find it sad that the nation that founded the principles of democracy and free speach is now retreating from both

Certain comments are clearly beyond the pale - but surely everything up to (but not including) explicit calls for the death of another should be allowed and protected by law?

as a wise man once said,

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.   - Voltaire

The best way to deal with rascists *cough Walk* is through argument (or ridicule?) and not the the involvement of the government

Housemates Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd and Jo O'Meara have been seen making fun of Bollywood star Shetty's accent.

On Monday night's episode, former S Club 7 star O'Meara reportedly suggested that Indians were thin because they were always ill as a result of undercooking their food.

The trio also complained that Shetty had touched other housemates' food with her hands.

Former beauty queen Lloyd said: "You don't know where those hands have been."


Hmm tough one as no physical name calling has been done

Teasing about accent well we do it in england for brummies geordies cockneys etc etc i think that is a world wide thing as well

Handling food with fingers complaint how is that racist im sorry

the comment about the weight and undercooked food yes i can see why some people might have some issue with it but jesus compared with other things you hear said about people it is a very tame comment


its not just me that noticed then

 
 

totally pathetic.

if it was a person from london, white, ripping on a white person from birminghams accent no one would give two fucks...but of course when its another race it makes all the difference.

The best thing to watch on this issue is the south park episode "cartmans hate crime 2000"

Maybe this is beside the point, but I think it's a bit much to automatically "judge" everyone watching that stuff. A lot people watch if _after_ engaging in those meaningful activities you speak of. I'm sure you yourself have, at some point, for example played a computer game that isn't intellectually stimulating or in any way productive, just to relax.

Anyway, just an observation, because people often get off on that kind of bashing, even though they do similar things themselves.

None of you have read the article or seen live that one of the contestants refused to pronounce Shilpa by her name and she's been called "The Indian"  in a vulgar tone by some housemates and "filth." The point is that she is from a different culture and they seem to be taking advantage of her.
Also Jo and Danielle said in India people were always ill because they didnt know how to cook chicken properly and they always had poor digestive problems which why they're so thin.
Danielle Jo and jade (sometimes jack when he speaks) is extremely rude about shilpa.

But dont you find people only give a fuck when its another culture.

If it was a white person, english, french, american whatever no one would take note of it in a serious way, they might ake a ring tone out of it or something.

Haha, they've reached a new low I can see.

The most racist part of that quote is calling it racist.

Isnt' the point of these dumb as rocks shows to put people with narrow minded thoughts/opinions in close quarters with people who differ or embody the antithesis of their thoughts/opinions?

haven't any of you ever watched real world?

by the end of the show they will all love each other and understand one another.

sigh, i love how reality TV solves the worlds problems  :hihi:

What kinda Indians? Native American Indians or India Indians?

it's kinda hard to be racist to white people if you're white yourself .....

but thats the point im trying to make.

surely if everyones a human being and equal.

why should it be a big thing to rip a person with brown skin, when its not to rip someone with white skin.

They're all retarded.? Most of what was said was either harmless or just ignorant ("is it Indian people or Chinese people who only eat with their hands?") ::)? Jade's mum was the only one being racist - and to make it worse she was also horrible to look at. :nervous:

with the freaky arm and the weird face

Everybody hates rascism - infact the media hates it so much they compete to be more shocked by it

'oh i'm appalled!'

'ah, but your not as appalled as I am!'

Then the public get involved too

...and now we have a situation where any daft comment becomes the centre of attention as everyone tries to go one better than their rival and be more appalled by this

add in a healthy mix of minority groups just wanting attention 'its an insult to our god/gods/significant diety!!!' - and you have a thoroughly delicious coctail of absurdity

damnit we need a member of the Royal Family to marry to get people distracted

'what, Princess Diana was an alien? - Hold the front page!'

yeah and they are only putting comments on from the show which can be easily twisted.

its so over the top.

This may be stating the obvious, but Jade is a BITCH! ?The scummiest person to ever be on the telly, and her mum as well! ?Rude, ugly, disrespectful, retarded, scummy chavvy bitches. ?The worst people in the World. ?And if they're not openly racist then they're definately xenophobic and entirely ignorant of other cultures. ?I don't care if you all think i'm just falling for media hysteria, I know bullying when I see it and i'm sure they've singled her out because they see her as different.  Fuck them - we should kick them out the fucking country. :rant:


If anyone else was watching BB just now they'd know what kicked that off.

jades a nob agreed.

but how many people ripped her accent over tv over the years, did anyone claim that to be a big problem, no, i think they even made ring tones out of her saying big "brothaaaaa".

This is the reason im annoyed, its ment to be about equality, but the medias making it unequal.

Mr top hat i 100% agree with you that foul mouthed gobby piece of shit needs to be outta there. If i was there i would have punched her in the fucking face regardless of whether she was female or not. She is a disgrace to the English race and i personally am ashamed to say she is from the same country as me.   

shes a chav, alot of the people talk like her..... :no:

If people didn't watch this crap, they wouldn't make it any more.

Whats ridiculous is its one person who made the comments right?  how does that represent ALL of the UK!?!??!  There are racist people on American reality TV, doesn't mean EVERY american is racist.

but maybe someone in the UK can answer this question - are racial tensions really strong right now in your part of the world?  The US is pretty multi-cultural so while there are pockets of racism or racist people here and there, its not really a national thing.  How is it over there?

Speaking as a white person yes it is bad general comments made about people of a different race are frequent and harsh, a lot of the blame in my eyes goes on the government and the media for the imagrant system here that basically is a shambles and lets them get away with many many things because we dont have laws to sort them. I will say England is a racist country in many ways obviously not every one is but a good majority are.

I personally dont have a problem with different races etc but i do have a problem with them trying to force thier religion into our country in such a way it affects our own religion and beliefs

How can it possibly affect your own beliefs?


And yes, there is a lot of casual racism in England.  It's fuelled by crime, the media and a lack of tact from many Muslim representitives.  The more people debate it, the worse it seems to get.

from my experience there's a lot of secret racial prejudice but you only hear it when you listen into whispers.

the point is Jade, Danielle and Jo did somethings wrong and just because other things werent dealt with doesnt mean they cant stop this because theyve done injustice.

I think what's different in the US is you dont really see women walking around in full head-to-toe muslim garb with their faces shrouded.   Apparently, this has caused a lot of tension in the UK, at least based on the articles I see in the NY Times and though Google News.  But there was another piece I read which claimed that all this racist talk was simply to boost the ratings of the show....has it worked?

just a question

where do you feel the racism comes from

is it mainly young or mainly old people

(Sorry for the following language to anyone offended its used to demonstrate something)

see to me in England pretty much everyone whether they are White Asian Black Brown half caste are all racists in thier own rights i know of black people that will call Pakistanis Pakis you will get Indians calling Black people niggers even black people call themselves it to each other but it all seems like closet racism and in the main part most of it it harmless as a slip of the tongue but what is also happening in our country is everyone who feels offened by something gets involved so if a wrong remark is said to someone that is gay fat ugly smelly hairy bald you can be disaplined where does it stop. Racism needs to be stopped but we need to draw the line somewhere

Well, a few years ago everyone said "fuck the thought police, we should be able to say what we want whenever we want" - so everyone did.? Now 'nigger' is used all the time, sometimes as a joke and sometimes not.? 'Gay' is used as an insult all the fucking time, probably because of South Park (which I do love, btw).

A lot of racist people have now taken the view of "fuck the thought police, if I wanna have a problem with Muslims then I bloody well will" and this is not cool - this is a problem.? Now nobody really knows what they're allowed to say anymore.

The bottom line is TREAT EVERYONE AS INDIVIDUALS.? Don't pick on someone because they wear a vail or because they have a different religion or were brought up differently.? You should treat everyone with RESPECT unless they do something pretty fucking extreme to warrent your contempt.? This is the lesson someone needs to repeatedly thump into Jade until she fucking gets it.

Wow, i'm really quite pissed - but not one fucking typo!  Peace out bros and hos :smoking:

I only skimmed through the article, so perhaps I missed something, but unless some kind of governmental action occurred because of the comments, the quote you posted applies just fine:

That "I" should be a capital letter ;D

typical British media have created another storm.  When Jade gets evicted tonight (and she most likely will) - there will be no public audience (there ususally is).  Bomb threat has been called into the studios where the house is, and death threats recieved by the producers against Danielle and Jade.  Effiges of the shows producers have been publicly burnt in India.

Reminds me of the cartoons in Denmark last year.  This country is a mess over racial divides.  Some are completely racist and anti ANy immigration whatsover (check out the BNP party), whilst some get on with multi-culturalism, but arent afriad to label and stereotype given half the chance.  I believe older British people are inherantly a bit racist as they have lived through an era where Britain was vast majority white and change was hard.  my gran has made racist comments that do not sit well with me - but she is of a completely different generation and I have no idea what it was like in her life for her to have these views.  These views are not up for discussion with her though!  Young people in Britain get conflicting media views, people are walking on egg-shells here as sometimes the smallest remark will be construed as racist if made against someone of another skin colour or different country of origin - although the comment may not have been anything to do with actual racism.  Racism is cried too often here, and this is the case with BB (i believe).

BUT - straying a litte (sorry) - I dont think there have been racist comments in BB house.  Jade is not at all bright, and has capitalised on that image for the best part of 4 years to the tune of an?8million personal fortune (magazine deals, fitness dvds, perfume range).  Britain loves an underdog and Jade has been a loveable idiot in the media for years.  however - this has shown some true colours - and I think her behaviour has been absoutely FOUL.
It smacks of bullying at school, one loud ringleader who cant listen to reason - has to go to 100% anger, and is backed by giggling sheep who cant speak for themselves.

I think british media and political correctness have escalated this into a "racist" issue - whereas i think it is more to do with the fact that the people involved are thoughtless.  Jade has been a foul-mouthed bitch on this show and has certainly bullied Shilpa.

and yes - the ratings for the show have risen dramatically since this all kicked off - what a surprise.

good post. not biased and full of facts from both sides of the divide. : ok:

What is most ridiculous to me is  that this is ONE PERSON on a dumb reality show - how is she representative of an entire country?!?!??!  Shes not an elected official is she?  Who is she in the first place?

When mel gibson or kramer goes off on jews and/or blacks you didn't see Israel burning effigies of the Road Warrior!  :rofl:  Celebrities and reality "stars" do not have representative voices.

its really funny in a ridiculous way how outraged people are by this.

im outraged at the fact people are outraged over something so trivial.

lmao at the "road warrior" comment, mel was still cool back then, and when he did lethal weapon 1 n 2.

OK I confess I havent read all of this so sorry if its irreleveant, but I want to put a word in for Jade. To be fair, she hasnt said anything racist. people are focusing on her coz shes a chancer and a chav, which she is.

But so is that footballers girlfriend, who has said things like Shilpa should go home (I think we all know what she meant, altho I amit that doesnt necasarily have to be construed as racist), and that she cant even speak english properly. Erm.. she speaks english with a bit of an accent. does this sound familiar to anyone who's seen the show...? So that dumbass cant speak english properly either, by her own definition!!!

However, I think our police have better things to do than spend hours watching video of something that no one can conclusively say includes racist bullying.  Theres certainly a class issue and Shilpa has come across as a bit aloof, but thats because she is different in many ways to the other girls, and she probably doesnt like them enough to try to mix with them. I wouldnt bothe rif i was in there, god no!

and didnt jemane call jade "white-trash", equally a racial comment, as he is implying the colour matters in the scenerio.

He didnt call her white trash. he said that she is an example of what people would call white trash but he did state that he doesnt necessarily label her white trash.