Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Well,i can't wait to hear studio version of that amazing song.I think The blues are better song then Sweet child(my favorite gnr song),with much better lyrics.And for me the blues should be a first single of new album(when them come out).
this song is killer

It's an amazing song, my fave at the minute, but it wont be a single going by what Axl said at the Docklands.

Axl said many things...
But maybe blues can be a second or third single,like sweet child of mine

It's a great song. But IMO, doesnt have enough to be a single. It's possible that Axl has changed or added to it since the 02 tour. It definately has a good base to make a COMMERCIALLY GREAT SONG (I think its a great song!) out of, but I don't think it's there yet  :peace:

I think it's a good song but not as a single

The Blues is a kick ass track its my fav song from the new GN'R I'd love to hear it in studio quality but Axl still knows how to do a song like that.

i don't think any song is better i like them all.but i do like the blues an wanna hear the studio version.

Yeah, I can't wait for the studio version. A lot of the guitars and synths come off stronger in the studio. It's probably the best overall song I've ever heard.

I still havn't been able to decide if I personally like Madagascar or The Blues better. I think The Blues has a far greater chance of being released as a single over Madagascar just because of the minute/minute and a half quotes used in the song which I think will weaken the general public's first impression of the song. Personally I dont really like the quotes on there and think lyrically the song is very weak but I love it anyways. The flow and instruments on it are terrific. A studio version of The Blues will be awesome and I cant wait, but Axl has plainly stated none of the songs he has debuted will be singles. If these terrific songs we have already heard are not "singles material"  in Axls opinion, I cant wait to know what he has in store. When we get to hear it of coarse remains to be seen.

Yeah, it?s a great song indeed.I think the studio version will be better than the live one.I think one thing that could make the song much more better would be that the midle solo was made by fortus and not by fink (he would defenitley do a better job than fink).
And I don?t talk about songles because I don?t even know when a Cd will be realesed....... :rofl:

Enough with the Finck bashing again. Finck's solo in 'The Blues' is nothing short of brilliant, one that he wrote, btw. I can't imagine anyone else playing it.

I've always thought of The Blues as a shortened November Rain or Estranged, which is a very good thing. Nice piano and nice melodic guitar.
Fincks solo is awesome too, can't wait to hear the studio version.

Excuse me-where can I listen to this song?
Idont know
Diza

Funny you should say that Metallex78,
'cause all 3 songs are played the same, just in different notes. Not all the way thruogh but ya get what i mean. : ok:

ypu can find iton gnnrhub,better information you can find on
www.newgnr.com

I can:
Fortus!!

I can:
Fortus!!

I'm most excitement about hearing studio vocals on the songs we've already heard, especially after playing the Boston promo clips over and over recently.

The tone in his voice on '...wont be told anymore', which is all you hear, is so rich and deep. Same with The Blues.

I really can't wait to hear how high he sings because on Jungle London 2002, he goes off the chart at the end..seriously the best Jungle outro EVER. Just the thought of the definitive Madagascar scream makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I don't understand why people who post here can have a problem with the dialogue section in Madascar. It's an absolutely incredible piece of art it its own right, and while I don't have time to analyse in detail right now, when you look at the breakdown of the quotes, sources and potential meaning at newgnr.com, and listen to the song, it provides a listening experience that is completely and utterly unique. It's so clever in so many ways, not least because Axl is telling his side via a kind of semi-third person narration which automatically removes the object of the automatic, overriding blind-hate sentiments of many critics and 'fans'.

Great Song! The blues reminds the Illusion era . I love it , maybe it was written in late 90's .who knows?  ???

Oh, man! I love these "The Blues" threads!!!!

Despite of what Axl said in Docklands, I wish it could be a single, with faster and slower studio versions, plus Rio, Osaka and New York live (fixed) and a instrumental one. Would Rock!!!

The Blues!  :love:
From first listen to The Blues at the HOB I was in awe.
I love everything about this song... Its just great
Beautiful, powerful, emotional... the lyrics... the guitars and piano...
the vocals  :drool:
Studio version is going to be breathtaking
and yes I agree... to imagine that this song isn't one of the 'big guns'..? ? ?
my god
can you imagine?

hehehe well... guess we have no choice at this point but to imagine

i want the new music!  :crying:

for me madagascar lyrics is the best and deepest axl lyrics,but that song is something like estranged.
and the blues have bigger commercialpotencional

Madagascar is the best new song.  The Blues does come in a close second.  Believe it or not Silk Worms ROCKS live, one of the top five songs by the new band when your right up with them.

The Blues Is A Killer Song, It's Like A Mix Of November Rain & Estranged With A Tuch Of Happiness & Warm!  :)

for me the blues is mix of sweet child of mine,november rain and estranged

It's a quality song. but remember people it's:

"Stardust on my feet" not "Starburst on my teeth"

Some idiots at another forum insist that that makes more sense.  :hihi:

"Stardust on my feet" not "Starburst on my teeth"

Some idiots at another forum insist that that makes more sense.

Wow. I'm speechless...

The Blues and Madagascar are fuckin brilliant!! They are proof that CD will be GNR and the ultimate argument that the new gnr should ba indeed called GNR

Blues is great....I like maddy as well but i like the Rio 3 vers....with the rockin BH solo....I love the MTV awards part but i hear later versions of maddy and i hear where the guitar solo would be and dont like it.. :smoking:

i still like rio the best, MSG was to slow

the blues is more of a "breakdown" type song, great song, very moving but not really a single

Agreed...the Rio version is beautiful.  I think the solos in later performances might be better, so if they combined them with the Rio rendition for the album (meaning speed up the tempo and lose the sappy synths), I would be very happy.

i totally agree

MSG drags and drags, but rio is really powerful

some of the emotion feels lost in the msg performance

The Blues RIO version is the best one I've ever heard. The tempo is perfect. During the US tour, the tempo was too slow and it was boring. The blues is a blues/rock song and should have a blues/rock tempo, not a slow one in my opinion. a potencial Number 1 Hit if it is ever released as a single. General public  loves that kind of piano/blues-Rock songs.

the blues is without any doubt among the top5 songs by gnr for me

new gnr or old gnr

that song is simply amazing  , beautiful melody , heartbreaking lyrics , just beautiful

best version i heard was the boston 02 version

Vegas 01 (before RIRIII) is also a kick ass fast tempo... first time the song was played live.. Axl?s vocals were technicaly greater than Rio, but RIR emotion is really unique.

Some questions:
Has anyone heard the Vegas 02 versions (12/30/01 & 01/01/02)?? Don?t even know if they're in faster or slower tempo...
Has anyone been there? Are there bootlegs of those shows? Can I find these "The Blues" versions on the web?
 : ok:

I think I kinda like the slower version better. I'd like to hear the Rio version, but with Fortus's guitar and Pittman's synths...

Exactly like me...

I think that the Finck solo is very very very better in the slow version, it?s gets a lot of emotion. But the rest I prefer faster, exactcly lkike you said, with Fortus's guitar and Pittman's synths.

Well I know I'll get flamed here...but I never could get into this song. It's not bad, but it (to me) doesn't capture anything that November Rain or Estranged did. It's just an ok song to me.

Maybe the studio version (when I'm in the retirement home) will change my mind. :P

The Blues and Madagascar are rubbish.

If this was Axl's vision for GNR than he can stick it. In comparison to Don't Cry and Estranged, The Blues and Mad fall well short in my opinion.

Both VR and Axl's band have on the whole been dissapointing so far, i don't envisage either will be successful particularly the circus that is GNR.

ok I've just listened once again to "The Blues" RIO VERSION (the best tempo, the best version ever) and if this song is one day released as a single it could absolutely become a huge success. I don't speak about the boring American US tour version, with a slow tempo and exessive keyboard effect, but about the Rio 3 version, a very blues-rock version, light and wonderfull to listen to. Perfect voice, perfect tempo, perfect song.
In my opinion, Axl should release it one day as a single with a nice video-clip, Axl sitting in front a white piano, with champagne, wite vine etc... a video-clip with a piano-bar ambiance, something like that. Have you ever seen the video of "imagine" of john lennon? yeah something like... :peace:

"The Blues" is really wonderfull.

The Rio version is one of the worst versions of "The Blues", at least for Axl's vocals. It is cool at a faster tempo, but I think the slower tempo works too, and I like the slower version more actually. Its a ballad, it should be filled with a lot of keyboards and in my opinion, the American Tour version is better. Axl's vocals are so much better there than at Rio. There's a lot more feeling in the way he sings it on that tour then at Rio. I say keep the slower version, it has better vocals, like I said, and it has a better feel for a ballad.

For me it is not a ballad ans should not be. It is a blues-Rock song, with a blues-rock tempo. Endly I prefer much more Axl vocals on Rio version that on any US Tour bootlegs.

I love the Blues, but whatever he releases as his first single better be something better than that. To be honest, the song sounds like nothing we wouldn't have heard during the Illusions, and if its going to take 13 or so years to release an album of new material and take about 10 different line-ups to get there, I am expecting a more revolutionary product than the Blues, regardless of how good a song it is. I would think at this point every GNR fan on this board feels the same.

the blues is an excellent song but its not single material. Escpecially for the comeback. the blues,maddy and cd are all excellent songs but they are songs that help make an album great. They are the little gems that arent supposed to be hits, yet they are so great. Taht is why i do not worry about the material on cd. Its gonan be a special album. I just wish gnr could shut everyone up already. But for whatver reason its nto out yet...

gnr single, especially the first one has to be an all out rocker thats catchy. Something that can appeal to everyone.

I couldn't disagree with you more.  If Chinese Democracy had 16 tracks comparable to the quality of The Blues, it would be the greatest album ever, just my opinion Naupis.
So no, not every fan at this site feels like you do.

In terms of Rio or '02 Tour tempo...tempo I don't mind either way...just give me feelings and emotion.  I personally prefer The Blues from the later '02 Tour shows...to me it is a 10 out of 10.  Rio version is 9.9 out of 10 for me.
They all kick ass!!!!!!!!!   :love:

I think the first single should be as strong as Welcome To The Jungle or Paradise City: a song you cannot forget. Even people who don't like the band anymore or listen to other musical genres still remember the lyrics to those songs today. To me that's pretty amazing.

me too...

I dont like the Rio Version coz i had to listen to other boots for along time to get that god damn part where he said  "Ok Never Mind" out of my head and stop thinking it was part of the song.....

The first time I heard this song was on video, and I always thought "Ok never mind" was part of the song. It didn't sound too bad! ;D

Anyway the version they play in Toronto kicks ass!

i love the tempo at rio but the oh-oh-oh parts at the end are pretty poor whereas on the 02 tour they were fantastic so a best of both worlds version on cd would have me hooked but i do agree the 1st single needs to be catchy,explosive and hard hitting

me too...

I dont like the Rio Version coz i had to listen to other boots for along time to get that god damn part where he said  "Ok Never Mind" out of my head and stop thinking it was part of the song.....

Hey, I have always wonder about that "Ok, Nevermind" part on the RIR version of "The Bluse". Does anyone know what happened?? Why did Axl say "Ok. Nevermind" in the middle of "The Bluse"?? Did Axl mess up?? That's what I alway thought happened. Does anyone know for sure what happened??

And by the way, "The Bluse" is my favorite "new GNR" song. It has a very UYI feel to it.

Ben  

I dont know what was wrong. Maybe he was talking to someone in the back, or maybe he thought the band was playing the wrong part of the song or something.

But I think the 1st single should be a rocker that is heavy, and very catchy.

He was trying to get one of his stage hands to come out and attach his Wireless Earpice reciver to his pants and help him string up his back so he could put it in his ear... The stage hand wasnt coming to help even when Axl motioned for him to come help him... so he just told the guy "Ok Never mind!"  watch Dizzy you can see him laughing...

It would make a super-great single, but with all the anticipation, people will hard a hard rocker. I prefer the newer version of it, for a few reasons: Fortus on the guitar is just soamazing, Pittman's synths take it to the next leve, and Finck's solo is nothing short of brilliant. Also, with a slower tempo, the entire song seems more souful and heartfelt.

Ive never heard the blues but I'm really bored so I felt like writing here. any one want to talk to me? Im me please. I'm so bored.

you have never heard "The Blues"??  you have to hear this song!!!! Its an amazing song and if its not one of axls "Big Guns" i cant wait to hear the music he has locked up just waiting to kick ass!!!

you must download the blues...

it has to be a single, eventually after they release all the singles of CD they'll say fuck it, one more quick single, THE BLUES!!!
We are suppost to be used to the slow version n' when we hear it live it'll be slightly faster IMO.

Slower version works all the way

Take a better look at the video:
..the earpice thing was when he sang the "you know I've tried so hard to make you" part..
..after the "..that?s bittersweet that's called the blues" part he started pointing to the piano asking his crew to turn its volume down... no one seemed to understand him... he got pissed of and said "Ok never mind!"... Dizzy laughs...

Anyway... OK Never mind!

Im pretty sure "The Blues" was about Stephanie Seymour, and hoping this song wins her back (Rolling Stone article in 2000 said Axl believes they have 15 past lives together, and still likes her). But the interesting part of the song is when Axl says "and i didnt mean to beat you" then the long drawn out cry, is that Axl always publicly denied beating Stephanie or anyone else.

I think its a standup thing for Axl to do. "The Blues" has alot of heart which is missing from alot of music today. But im not sure if Axl plans on ever releasing this song, mostly because some people might think it is desperate of him singing about a relationship that ended one decade ago. Also because Stephanie has been married to a billionare since 95. Im curious what she thinks of Axl after hearing this..maybe its got her reconsidering??

he never says that in the song...

I just searched the lyrics on google, and it says "i only wanna be you" But i swear in the live bootleg i have, he didnt say that. Maybe live he said "i didnt mean to be you" but he clearly said "i didnt mean to" something. Oh well. I still think its about Stephanie Seymour.

its sang "I wouldnt want to be you"....ohhhh "Coz thats a hell i cant describe".......hahah(Never Mind)...

Well another website says the lyric is "You know I didn't want to meet you". So that sounds much closer to what i am hearing. Im pretty sure he says "i didnt mean to beat you" in the live bootleg i got.

2 different websites. 2 different lyrics for the note in question. Everything else the same. Conspiracy?

I belive these are the official lyrics to 'The Blues"

The Blues

All the love in the world couldn't save you
All the innocence inside
You know I tried so hard to make you
To make you change your mind

And it hurts too much to see you
and how you left yourself behind
You know I only wanna be you
Now thats a hell I cant describe

So now I wander through my days
And try to find my ways
To the feelings that I felt
I saved for you and no one else

And though as long as this road seems
I know its called the street of dreams
But thats not stardust on my feet
it leaves a taste thats bittersweet
thats called the blues

I dont know
Just what I should do
Everywhere I go
I see you

Although its what we planned
this much is true, oh oh
What I thought was beautiful
Dont live inside of you
Anymore, oh oh

I dont know just what I should do
everywhere I go
I see you
Its what we planned
this much is true, oh oh
What I thought was beautiful
Dont live inside of you
Anymore

What this means to me is more
than I know you believe
What I thought was you now
has cost more than it should for me
What I thought was true before
were lies I couldn't see
What I thought was beautiful
Is only memories, oh oh oh

there are no offical lyrics
and those lyrics are wrong

these are what I have for the lyrics


The Blues

All the love in the world couldn't save you
or the innocence inside
You know I tried so hard to make you
To make you change your mind

And it hurts too much to see you
and how you left yourself behind
You know I wouldnt want to be you
Now thats a hell I cant describe

So now I wander through my daze
And try to find my ways
To the feelings that I felt
I saved for you and no one else

And though as long as this road seems
I know its called the street of dreams
But thats not stardust on my feet
it leaves a taste thats bittersweet
thats called the blues

I dont know
Just what I should do
Everywhere I go I see you

Although its what we planned
this much is true
What I thought was beautiful
Dont live inside of you
Anymore

I dont know just what I should do
everywhere I go I see you
although Its what we planned
this much is true
What I thought was beautiful
Dont live inside of you
Anymore

What this means to me is more than I know you'll believe
What I thought of you now
has cost more than it should for me
What I thought was true before
were lies I couldn't see
What I thought was beautiful
was only memories

yes sir! I belive Daves are correct.. these are the same ones that were copied from the monitor in Vegas late 01..... remember gnrx. com??  :yes:

haha Never mind!!

In Rock in Rio 3 he sang "You know I didn't wanna be you"...

I dont know what was on the montior but that is just what i hear.
and i always thought it was Daze since it makes more sense than Days.

But either would fit.

Which one is it?  Can't have both.


--pjv

I listened to a bootleg of that songs a few years back and wow theres so much emotion in them lyrics. Now after relistening to it I can't wait to hear a studio cut.

u know i didnt wanna beat u :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:


hahahahah thats hilarious!

it is definitely about stephanie seymour

he said most of the album was about that so her son could discover it and know what happened

he's a teenager by now

maybe axl was prolonging the cd till dylan is old enough to buy it and understand it

How can  you not have both?
Something cannot be offical, and it can be wrong.
So I dont understand what you are saying?

 : ok: Malcolm is right...and Davegnfnr2k is right.  Axl changed it a little in Rio 3.  In every other show from 2002 it's, "You know I wouldn't want to be you..."  I have absolutely never heard a rendition with "beat you" in it.
Sorry Jabba.  Please don't freeze me in carbonite now. :)

-Axl4Prez

hahahahahahah this one was very funny...

u know i didnt wanna beat u :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Yeah, that's about Stephanie Seymour...

didnt stephanie put up a restraint order against axl so axl cant see dylan? but i think dylan can remove the restraint order if he wants once he's 18.. so maybe axl's waiting til dylan's 18 to release the album?

You disagreed with jabba?? Unwise foolish one!! lol. Well i have 2 different live versions of the Blues, and it very much sounds like hes saying "beat" instead of "be". To each his own oppinion, but "be" would make no sense at all in the lyrics when "beat" most definately would, since its a love song about Stephanie, and of course he used to beat her (but now we know he didnt want to).  :peace:

How old is the damn kid today?  ;D

jabba2,

is English your first language?

and which versions of the song have you listened to?

Jabba,

  Please tell us where the 2 boots you heard of The Blues are from.  I hope one of them is not the Cantina on Tattooine.   ::)   I think your mind is elswhere...possibly staring at Princess Leia's gold breastplates. :)  

-Axl4Prez

This one is Rock in Rio 3, i have 2 different bit rates, so it sounds different. Its the same concert though. At least i think so. And yes, English is my first language. You actually think Axl is saying the word "be"?  I dont think so.

it sounds nothing like "beat you" ...nothing..

of course "i wouldnt want to be you" makes sense... there is NO WAY he would ever say anything about beating his chicks up in a song.. thats just common sense....

I'll never understand how some of you hear what you do. I've listened to just about every version of all the new songs very, very extensively and closely, and I'm about 99.5% sure I know the correct lyrics (of course, Axl tends to change a word or two up every now and then, but these are the most common):

All the love in the world couldn't save you,
All the innocence inside.
You know I tried so hard to make you,
oh, to make you change your mind.
And it hurts too much to see you
and how you left yourself behind.
You know I wouldn't wanna be you,
there's a hell I can't describe.

So now I wonder through my daze
and try to find my ways to the feelings that I felt
I saved for you and no one else
and though as long as this road seems
I know it's called the street of dreams,
but that's not stardust on my feet,
it leaves a taste that's bittersweet
that's called the blues...

I don't know just what I should do,
everywhere I go I see you.
And though it's what we planned
this much is true, uh-oh,
what I thought was beautiful don't
live inside of you anymore, oh-oh...

(solo)

I don't know just what I should do,
everywhere I go I see you.
I know it's what we planned,
this much is true, uh-oh,
what I thought was beautiful don't
live inside of you anymore (oh-oh's)...

What this means to me is more than I know you believe.
What I thought of you now, has cost more than it should for me.
What I thought was true before were lies I couldn't see.
What I thought was beautiful is all in memories!

(lots of "woah-oh's")

I would almost bet my life these are the right lyrics. Hell, I have the official lyrics to 'Oh My God', but no one ever believes me when I've posted them...

I have a copy of the bootleg and all I know is that the song really sucks,one of the worse that I've ever heard,ofcourse I think on the song Axl is trying to copy Elton Johns singing and that really is not a good thing to do,sice Elton John is a bad singer anyways,just my opinion :smoking:

How can you say he's trying to sing like Elton and Elton Sucks. You cant say a song sucks from a bootleg. Who is a great singer then ROD JACKSON?

I don't know where the bootleg was recorded,maybe it's just a bad boot,hell I don't know,all I meant was that to me it sounded like Axl was copying Elton Johns singing style which I think is awful,I hope the studio version sounds better,well if CD ever comes out,which I hope it does,I'll buy it no matter what. :peace:

 :confused: :confused: :o :o

Did I miss something? Dose Axl have a kid?? Someone please fill me in on how this Dylan kid is related to Axl.

Thanks

Ben

I still think its OR the innocence inside.
It sounds like that and makes more sense.
All just does not fit.
Axl is saying all the love in the word could not save her or her innoence

that is the only diff that we have on our versions

As for oh my god
what are your offical lyrics
id like to read them

I haven't listened to it in a while but could the words be:

"You know I wouldn't want to see you...
Now that's a hell I can't describe"

Then they would make more sense (to me anyway)

It's Stephanie's kid, from a marriage / relationship before she got together with Axl. IIRC Axl seemed to take the whole 'stepfather' business quite seriously and things subsequently got pretty bad as during his stormy breakup with Seymour, he was handed a restraining order, making it impossible to see Dylan anymore.

Stephanie isn't getting back with Axl.  :hihi: She is a kept woman, with 3 or 4 kids living on an estate in Greenwich Connecticut. Though word around town is that she is known to cheat on Brandt (he is quite repulsive looking), she has a fancy high society life here in NY/Connecticut that i don't see her giving up. She's quite different than she was when she was with Axl.
Dylan attends (i believe) an exclusive private school in Greenwich and i think he is probably around high school age or fast approaching.

Thx for the info badgirl. I saw her once in 94, but didnt know she dated Axl until later. We didnt talk though.  

Axl is saying all the love in the word could not save her or her innoence

Possible, but he could be saying "all the innocence inside" couldn't save her, either. It's really up to the context you use. We shall find out soon. But here are the lyrics to 'Oh My God', at first they might not sound right, but I guarantee you they are legit, they I got them off the 'End of Days' DVD:

Oh My God

It's not how you're thinking
As you've been mine
You been living a dream now
Believe you're a bad jump
Believe you're in favor
And drain out your soul
And what can I do
when there's so many liars
that crawl through your veins
like millions of spiders
and seek out their victims
and who is the wiser

watch out
gotcha

Oh my God, I can't deny this
I've been taught just to kill and fight this
don't bury it deeper
where nobody can find it
like nobody wanted to know

so give it away like they're not gonna fuck you
how long can you beg them
to come back and haunt you
to run past your demons
and carry you to some place
you're startin' to bleed
and they don't just give up
before it's too late
what will you offer in ways of healing
oh, I'm so confused

confused
misused

Oh my God, I can't deny this
I've been taught just to kill and fight this
don't bury it deeper
where nobody can find it
'cause nobody wanted to know

ooh, if it opens your eyes
well, just don't bet on a strong compromise
I was willing to be lost in the shuffle
if only you had let me know

ooh, if it opens your eyes
well, then just bet on a little less compromise
I was willing to be lost in the shadows
if only you had let me know

and they won't give in
'cause they know what they're after
I'll give you them days
like it's all that would matter

Oh my God, I can't deny this
I've been taught just to murder and fight this
don't bury it deeper
where nobody can find it
cause, nobody wanted to know

ooh, if it opens your eyes
well, then you can bet
on a little good compromise
I was willing to be lost in the shuffle
if only you had let me know

ooh, when they're done with the show
like the tide out on the ocean
the wave's already set in motion
the only one in the game who's lost is you!

Now these might not be 110% official, but they are the most legit lyrics that can be found, seeing as they were put on the DVD by the people working on the movie/soundtrack/etc.

Those are closed caption and that doesnt mean they are right at all.
Its just what some one thinks they are.

This is the OFFICAL first verse of oh my god.

IT'S NOT AS YOU'RE THINKING
OR AS YOU'VE IMAGINED
TO LIVE IN THE SHADE
OF BELIEFS THAT WERE FASHIONED
TO LEAVE YOU IN SLAVERY
AND DRAIN OUT YOUR SOUL
BUT WHAT CAN I DO WHEN
THERE'S SO MANY LIARS
THAT CRAWL THROUGH YOUR VEINS
LIKE MILLIONS OF SPIDERS
THAT SEEK OUT THEIR VICTIMS
AND WHO IS THE WISER
WATCH OUT
GOTCHA -

(SQUEAL) -

Now you ask how they are offcial? Its because they are from axl himself.
These were given to Sal i believe at the vegas show by del james.
The teleprompter lost the lyrics to oh my god and they had to go to axl and have him write them down, so they can be put back in.
So axl on three pieces of paper wrote the lyrics.
Sal got the first verse and he even scaned the paper back when he got it. I also think Axl signed the paper too if i am not mistaken. Two other fans got the other sheets.

So that is how we know there are 100% correct for the first verse.

  Davegnfnr2k, I respect you very much, and I was actually just about to reply that you might have something there, because the "or" really could fit...but as luck would have it, my wife just walked in (she's neutral, not a big music fan) and she's 99% sure it's "all."  She's usually right. :)  Getting really semantic here, the "all" is very much like an "or" and moreso like an "and" in this usage.  
  I'll be interested to see the answer upon release of Chinese Democracy later this year.  My $$$'s with TiedHands on this one.  :yes:

-Axl4Prez2004

its cool either way
and axl could change it at diff shows, its just one word

  I think the wait is driving us all a little nutty...but I don't care!  I'll show up at the next show in a straight-jacket screamin' my head off as usual at a great Guns show!!!

-Axl4Prez :)

Over 4 years ago (RIR 2001) I listened to "the blues" for the first time. When I heard it, something magic happened. I listened to it 1 week non-stop. I knew the first time I heard it that it was destinied to be become an instant classic. I'd like to know if it's the same for you, instand classic yes or no? I vote yes.

Agreed. The Blues is awesome. A studio version of that song and 11 tracks of Axl taking a dump (re-mixed by Moby) would be sufficient to put CD high on the charts.

I love this song!!!!!

Agreed, The Blues is far and away the best of the new songs we've heard IMO.
The most 'complete' sounding and a real haunting song to boot.
I also like the fact that it's not too long - this could have easily turned into a 10 min epic, but it manages to sound epic in a short period of time

Cant wait for a studio version of this  :drool:

I too like The Blues alot, I also can't wait for a studio version of this : ok:

i did the same thing lisening to it over and over.i have the columbus dvd.awesome but it's a shame it is a dvd not the real thing.i guess that is good enough for now till something happens.
 :beer: :smoking:
show em my moto'
peace and chicken grease !

I agree with you guys, the song is amazing? : ok:
'The Blues' and 'Madagascar' are my 2 fav new gnr songs, studio versions will be unreal! I also love the outro with Axl and Fortus, makes the hairs on my neck stand up! I have an mp3 of it live in Pittsburgh which I think is the best of the versions i've heard, especially the outro, it's simply perfect on this (I think its from Pitts, the one where Axl's talking bout meeting a girl in a 'restaurant bar' after it). I also really like the lyrics in The Blues, especially 'What I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore' and 'What I thought was true before were lies I couldn't see', that's classic Axl right there, stuff you can relate too.
I think songs like The Blues and Maddy will become Guns classics if studio versions are released because they have that lasting power like classic Guns tracks do. 4 Years on and i'm still playing these songs all the time and feeling them.

Pretty cool song but...  there is something missing

we just need the studio version, that's the only thing missing. Live versions can't explore the full potencial of a song. That's why the studio version could be absolutely amazing.

The Blues fuckin' speaks to me

(putting on flame proof suit)

I am sorry, but I just can't get into this song.

I thought the bit I heard of IRS was leeps and bounds ahead of the blues.

The blues was just...boring to me. :-\

What's it say?


"keep changing your name every two weeks"?

Or deeper than that?

It says, women can fuck you over....big time!!

I love this song.  I can't believe it's been 4 years since I first heard this.  My Fav. "new" song.

I heard RIO first, i like it slower but!!

I love the guitar work in The Blues. Some made by Paul Tobias, but improved by Fortus... And the Robin's solo is just amazing!
I recorded this version with me playing guitars (a bit louder) along with the Pittsburgh version. Check it out:

http://kytec.com/view.php?fid=25519

It`s very beautiful song -  i don`t like very much live shows (i prefer to be there)  but The Blues is one of the live songs who i always put in my car cd-s. Second is Your Song - Elton John Live in Australia  :hihi:

It can still give me multiple eargasms.  Very good song.

I only heard it a while back and i remember my mate putting his head in his hands! it reminded him of a south park song or something!??? ??? but i quite liked it. it was freash different and kicked ass

it has really got me wanting C.D : ok:

This is the only Robin Finck Solo that I really like. But I haven't heard more solos by him in the new songs. I also like Sossego. He should just stop playin the old GNR solos.

The Blues, Maddy, and IRS are all insanely awesome.  Yep, I can listen to The Blues (and have) just about everyday.  That studio track is going to rock. 

It was a song I listened to for a little while but haven't for a long long time since.. I need an album ,I never listen to these songs anymore..

My thoughts exactly, The Blues is a beautiful song that you can relate to. In my opinion The Blues and Madagascar can be considered as "classics", songs that can take the test of time

I always wonder why if the song maddy is such an instant classic that would suck you right in as well as a newer fan base why nothing came of it after it played in front of so many millions at the vmas over month long periods.. You would think that the radio stations would have been flooded, or mtv with requests of that truly instant classic amazing song..? Not everyone feels this way, I'm sure some hear an amy lee song and think ow it's a beautifull song on the piano and her voice is angelic like we feel axl's is..

@ steve mckagan    robin is playing the first part of the chinese democracy solo and i think it rocks

i personnaly love all of the new songs except silkworms wich i think is only mediocre.  the blues isn`t my favourite of them, but a great song anyway.

i recommend the osaka versions of madagascar, the blues and rhiad and the vegas versions of all new songs+ rio madagascar. i don`t really like the soundboard versions of them and those of you who haven`t heard those versions shoould definitely hear them.   if you want i can upload them.

and i think we can only judge on the studio versions if they`ll be classics or not.

@mikegiuliana  did you expect anything like that???  first madagascar at the vma`s wasn`t that great and it was just a part of a medley

I didn't expect anything, but it was "gnr" back to the world and it was a new song that got good air time.. When neil young and pearl jam did their duet live it was always on and requested.. Many live performances from the vmas become staples in rotation outside of the show..  if you are a big gnr fan and might not be a big net person you would definetly inquire about it and request it as well..

Just let me add to the last post.. I say this because even though it was a shorter performance it was still enough for people to enjoy and form a good opinion.. To me that song was perfromed better then wttj, or PC singing wise.. Another reason is look at all the people on gnr forums that were able to take a IRS clip of 32 blurry shitty second of audio and want more and give3 it high ratings.. Not only that but say U-2 played a brief verison in a medley of a song, everyone would be trying to find out what it is and asking where can they hear it in itis entirety.. Now gnr coming back is a major thing, gnr was the biggest name in music for several years SO when a new gnr song is played at the end of a major award show and played over for several months there should be so many people being very curious about what it is and want to hear the entire thing.. Most new gnr fans love that song ,so if it's that good it should rub off onto the multi millions watching the vmas for those several months.. Hope that explained it better and why I said it.. ;)

The song itself should have cause a major flood for local rock stations and mtv to where it had to be adressed or replayed..

the Blues is amazing..A truly beautiful song that axl sings awsome..I think parts of it sounds similar to parts of IRS

Its my fav song from the new gn'r I cant get bored of this song to me its a masterpiece!

I enjoy "The Blues". Wasn't it one of the tracks that they had Brian May play on? I wonder if his parts will make the final cut.

yep. i h8 2 say this but i think he's betta than slash

Don't get me wrong I really like these songs [Blues and Maddy] but to say they are masterpieces, IMO I don't see how that can be determined from the live performances we have heard so far.  I am not begruding those that think they are instant classics or masterpieces, I just don't see how that can be judged until you hear the final studio product.  Who knows how much these songs could have changed, Axl could have completely changed things and we won't know that until we hear the studio versions.  JMO.

Someone had to be the first to get to know this. And the only one.

Back to the topic: I think that The Blues and Madagascar are really good songs, Axl is incredible in both of them, his vocal melodies are among his best works.  : ok:

That robin is talented, better then slash or should stop playing old gnr tunes?

Can't have a gnr concert without the old tunes.. Well I need at least 6 songs, wttj to open, scom, pc to close, nr somewhere in there, etc

If you think Robin is a better guitar player than Slash you need your head examined, I'm sure Robin and Axl would both agree.  He's alright but he ain't no Slash, not even fuckin' close.

That's ok. just never say you likre scott better then axl though :hihi:

I do like Scott, but he's no Axl, that's for sure : ok:

Nobody can be serious thinking that Finck is better than Slash. Period.

No more Slash/Finck talk, because the thought of someone saying Finck is even remotely close to Slash talent wise makes me want to put my head through this computer screen, but yes I think the blues and Maddy are good songs. But I think u guys are overlooking the fact that hes had so long to fix those songs up, I mean he was js playing them to see what they sounded like, they were still in the experimental stages.

Imagine them in their perfected stages, when they've fully taken that form that Axl meant for them. Imagine what Axl couldve done to those songs in 3 yrs, shit man they'll be so fuckin amazing when he does released em on cd, LOL they might even be orgasmic to some ppl. lol  :peace:

Yes, The BLues is a great song. Yes, so is Madagascar. Yes, OMG and CHinese Democracy are also great tunes. But do we have to praise them every few weeks??? Come on, we all get the picture, they're great, they give us hope for CD, we'd love to hear the studio versions. Why are threads like this repeating over and over again??

 because as much as I agree, there hasn't been anything new since years ago. Same as the same old sound boards get spoken of, to keep new gnr alive at all you have to speak about years past..

Yes..still love the blues but i prefer the slower guitar ending in the first few versions i heard like in rio3..Love the weaving of the guitar along with Axls weaving voice at the end....I dont like the later live versions as much with the faster playing at the end it u get what im trying to say.. : ok:

Same thing happened to me.  It was on my mind constantly for a long time after I first heard it.  It is by far and away the best of new songs that have been played live in my view.  A studio version would be worth a few bucks.

I disagree I love how Fortus added the outro to the blues. The orginal from hob and rio sounded empty but Fortus made it so much better

To tell you the truth, Fortus is the only new guitarist who has really conviced me. As you may know, I can't stand buckethead, and Robin Finck, although he is an ok guitar player, is absolutely nowhere near of Slash. He has never really convinced me. I know at least 2 guitarists (friends of mine) in Paris who totally blow Robin away and they are not professionals. One of them is going to enter Berklee music school in Boston (the best musical school in the world), he is only 19. and for me he is even better than Angus Young. He is probably close to Slash.
Fortus is the only one who can make justice to Slash among all the new guitarists. He always plays with the right vibe. He has a certain class when he plays.? I hope to hear more from him, I need more than my '02 bootlegs.

I am really tired of people claiming Robin doesnt do slashs song justice he plays SCOM just like slash but I guess that is not good enough. As for BH, BH blows slash away, its too bad BH left. I hope they can get someone as good as BH to replace him.

here is robin doing the scom solo, he plays it just like slash.
http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/finckscomny.wmv
here is another
http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/finckscomrio.wmv

The fact of the matter is you guys want to compare Slashs play on the studio albums while comparing the new guys playing live. Listen to slash playing live and he is all over the place .

If so much people claim that, it's because it may be true...don't you think?

No its because they want slash back and cant get over it. Read all the reviews for the shows, 90% of them say they sound just like the old band and if you closed your eyes you would not know the difference.

They just need to play their own materiel. that's it. When I listen to "the blues" or "madagascar" I don't think to Slash or to the old band.

classic yes

To be frank, of all the new songs, I like the blues the least, while admitting it's a good song. :-\

I missed that point. I'll answer you: Buckethead doesn't need to be replaced. No need a 3rd guitarist. Why? it is not necessary. Let's share the guitar parts between Richard and Robin. 50/50. On that point, I totally agree with Tommy (Stinson) when he said the band can continue with 2 guitarists. Don't forget there are also 2 keyboards behind, and, for the cohesion and image of the band, a cohesive pair of guitar players is way better than 3 individual musicians without connexion. Did you see the '02 bootlegs? Buckethead stayed on the right side of the stage all along, no connexion and no chemistry with the rest of the band, there was the band, and there was Buckethead, alone on his side. Is it what you want? a 3rd useless guitar player appart of the band? I don't think it would be a good idea at all. The cohesion of the band is more important than bringing a 3rd guitar player coming from nowhere.

This is one point some people just cannot see to comprehend, but Ill say this again. Yes you do not need a 3rd guitarists play the old gnr songs but the new gnr songs were written for 3 guitarist thus you will need a 3rd player to play those parts. How hard is that to understand?

Buckethead wasn't even onstage during "the blues" on some botlegs. He didn't play on it. And concerning the new matrial, nobody knows. But When I hear I.R.S. there is definitely no reason for bringing a 3rd guitarist. the guitar parts are quite basic and can easily be played by 2 guitarists.

How many new songs that are going to make CD? 3 tops. If they had three guitarists they all going to be on the album and will be needed for the tour. How do you know they dont need one? I think they need one because that is what they had before. Its like saying when Izzy quit, well they dont need to replace him they have slash and duff.

As for IRS its just a demo, you cant take anything from that. You really think that robin and fortus can shred like BH can? I dont think so, thus they will need a shredder for those parts on the new songs.

The thing to remember the blues, cd and madagascar were all written before BH joined the band.

In my opinion, the 3 guitarists thing was a "luxe" wich wasn't necessary and wich caused more damages for the image of the band than anything else.. Axl just wanted to say "look I have 3 guitar players now so forget Slash". Everybody who is a little bit observative can easily note the band didn't need 3 guitar players. Concerning the new material, if Tommy said the band can continue with 2 guitarists, it means the new songs can be played with 2 guys. Why shouldn't trust him?? As far as I know, He is an insider, he knows what he is talking about.

So you would rather not get to hear the songs on they appear on the album (with three guitars) and feel like something is missing? You can say or think what you want but if Axl is still looking, they are going to have three.

Nobody knows if Axl is still looking for a 3rd guitarist. Au contraire mon fr?re, I rather heard from different sources they might roll with Richard and Robin in the futur. Oh yeah and for the albums, the guitars are always doubled. On Oasis records, there are 4 guitar parts on the rockers, are they 4 guitarists? No, they are 2.

And what sources are those? I love how on this board people claim robin sucks yet say that they dont need anyone to replace BH.

Realistically, we don't know who played on which tracks so it's impossible for anyone to say that GNR MUST have 3 guitars on stage to replicate the album, it would just be an assumption.

Perhaps some of the tracks do rely on a complex interweaving of three distinct guitar parts but I find to be a little unlikely, and probably not the rule for the album as a whole.

Now, I am one of the people who'd like to see GNR pick up a replacement for BH - but not because I think there's a need to have 3 guitars just because that's what they had a few years ago. The reason I'd like to see GNR add a guitarist is simply because I think it was a very bold move to throw in a massively talented virtuoso with a broad stylistic range to compliment the new band's sound, especially one as unique as BH. Having him in the band seperated GNR from the standard popular rock band immediately and distinctly, it said volumes about the paths the band is willing to travel musically and their commitment to evolving beyond the cock-rock band cliche. If tomorrow GNR announced that they'd added another guitar and that it would be Dave Navarro or Zakk Wylde or even, god forbid, Slash himself it wouldn't excite me. I'd like to see them cast their net further and bring in another highly talented, unique individual who has the capacity to take GNR to a level beyond a rock-revival act. It's important not only to GNR but to music in general, a successful new GNR with an advanced musical scope would serve to broaden the discourse and challenge the boundaries of what is acceptable, or, ?if you like, "cool", for a commercial rock band to do, whereas a succesful new GNR limited to standard rock-fare may still be a revelation for GNR fans but would make no lasting impact, other than to perhaps spawn a number of lesser scenster rock bands as the old GNR did. ?

I think 'The Blues' is the only song we've heard so far that could possibly be classified as a "Big Gun". The song has been mentioned since 99 or 2000. Axl must have high hopes for the song.

Madagascar is a masterpiece IMO>

Yep, I agree. Both those could be considered 'Big Guns' i believe.

On a side note, about The Blues, it still cracks me up how some people on this board think the lyrics are about Slash! It is obviously a love song, do you really think Axl would write a piano ballad about Slash's departure??!!LOL!
'What I thought was beautiful don't live inside of you anymore'... You think he wrote that for Slash?!! Come on!!!!

The lyrics are pretty generic actually, and while I don't see how anyone could think that it's a serenade for Slash, I do think that it's pretty easy to read almost anything you like into the lyrics, which is probably the idea.

well, the song IS called the Blues, a possible connotation to a certain blues based guitar player. I don't think anyone can dismiss this as pertaining to Slash. As with many of Axl's new songs, the source of the heartback, anger, or disappointment is target non specific.

I do think they need another guitarist. Having heard Finck and Fortus butcher far too many solos (hear the Toyko/Osaka shows to really feel the burn) and even foul up their own solos (hear Finck's stumbling, off tempo Blues Pittsburgh SB solo for example) , I was more impressed with Buckethead's skills as a player of both old and new material. His absence will be felt.

I'm still hoping that Bucket comes back when this album nears release.

Indeed. Also everything he said in house of Blues before the song started ensures his expectations: "I think you'll like this one".
Anyway I prefer the Rio version, the slow one. Have you ever noticed in Rio version that there is an effect coming from the keyboards that sounds like a wind (during "a change that's bittersweet, that's called the blues...". It's nice.

By the way, a friend of mine once told me that this song is really cool, espcially the lyrics, but the solo seems to very epic and it doesn't fit there.
I think the solo describes exactly the desperation someone would feel in a situation like the song explains itself.

I think The Blues is Axl's interpretation of his obsession with Stephanie. Its probably the only song we've heard that is almost guaranteed to be on CD. I love the feel of this song. Someone said this song has generic lyrics. Bullshit!! You can just feel Axl's desperation in this song.

Im not a fan of the first 15 secs or so, and wish the song had a bassier feel, and the guitars were a lil more looser  (say radioheadish).

But im being fussy.

Great song.

maybe the treble is dominant because of Axl's voice , doesnt need to be though.

P.S...way prefer the quicker tempo.....dont need any slow piano ballads thanks......and if they do, just piano n acoustic guitar, keep it simple n pure.

+madagascar I think.
Could it be Erin?

IMO the blues is about steph while madagascar is about the old band.

Hold the front page.

Dave n I agree.

Blues is about steph (beutiful song, espec if uve ever had a relationship that broke up)......Mad, about the old band and the situation he finds himsel in now.

Madagascar being an island that drifted from the mainland.

I dont think Madagascar is about Erin. I think its about the people who Axl thinks are not on his side(media,pissed fans,ex-bandmembers).

I think he knows more people than Erin, steph and the ex members.

agreed...but i feel those songs are about those situations.

Rhiad...isnt
CD...isnt
Silkworms...maybe steph...dunno
Oh my God....predominantly ...emotional issues

You have to admit that Steph and the demise of GNR are dominat in his thoughts, and no doubt thematic in his songs. Even he said he hopes steph's son dylan can hear CD so u can assume Steph is a recurring theme.

Actually I said Erin for the Blues not for Madagascar because I thought that Erin was his biggest love in his life or something.
I agree about Madagascar. But it's not that he wants the old members back too.

I think axl has issues with alot more people other than erin, steph, and the old band. I think it's a bit myopic to attribute the new songs just to those people.

Vector, no one is saying that every song on CD is going to be about Erin, Stephanie, and ex-band members. But those people had a major impact not just on his life in general, but also on his state of mind. Its a safe bet to say that part of the album will deal with these issues.

 I have a question. Its off topic but I didnt want to start a new thread about it. What do you think the song 'Chinese Democracy' is about?

so why is it that every new song discussed here from blues to maddie to silkworms is about......erin....stephanie.....and the old band....

Just a hint, axl's mom died back in the late 90s, i'm sure he is working out some issues with her plus he has dated other women since steph.

Didn't Axl's sister die too? Might be a song about that. I also wouldnt be surprised if there's an anti-drug song about Shannon Hoon. There could also be a song about West Arkeen.

I agree that Madagascar is about the demise of the old band and in some parts about the start of the new band. People were saying that it couldn't be done without Slash and were saying Axl's a washed up has been etc and I think the following lyrics relate to that and how Axl chose to continue GNR (I won't be told anymore that I've been brought down in this storm/Forgive them that tear down my soul/It's never too late). I'm almost sure the samples at the end relate to how Axl felt the need to seperate from the other members due to them not sharing his creative vision (I had a dream/Free at last etc) and also how important Chinese Democracy is to him and his career (Maybe we gotta be extra careful cos maybe it matters more than you even know). I'm sure most of you figured that stuff out for yourselves but I thought i'd point out my interpetation of the song.

I think many of us have a suspicion the title 'Chinese Democracy' could be a metaphor/inside joke for an album that's taking an incredibly long time and I think some of the lyrics also have double meanings too. 'It don't really matter, maybe i'll keep this to myself, no it don't really matter, this time i'll leave this thing to somebody else' every time I hear Axl sing that I have this feeling it's like him saying 'Fuck you, I dont have to release this shit,i'll release it on my own time, be patient, I could just keep this album to myself and leave you with the shit that's in the charts now'. Obviously I could be completely wrong, again just something i've been thinking bout.

the members left so long ago, do you think axl is still carryin gthe different parts of the 90's over to his new album? He may rant and rave on stage but who cares anymore about his feelings towards the ex members in song..

I've always thought if Axl would make a song about hating the ex-members, he would do something like Double Talkin' Jive, Get In The Ring or Right Next Door To Hell.

GNFNR, nice interpretation. I agree it can have several different meanings. The best thing about the material we've heard is the style of lyrics that are used. Each song we've heard could have different meanings. CD is definitely just a metaphor. The song or album have nothing to do with China.

I think "Chinese Democracy" is definitely a metaphor. Otherwise, Axl better be damn sure that he's done a ton of in-depth research on Chinese history, politics, economics and sociology before releasing an album based on Chinese democracy movements. The press (and academia) will have a fuckin' field day if Axl tries to make CD some political statement (a la early U2), and he doesn't have his sh1t down cold. :nervous:

Like I said, I think the title is a metaphor, and plus, it lends itself to certain cover art work and themes (i.e. chinese characteristics, etc.) that both look "cool" and yet do not make one immediately think of the old band as any fonts and art work similar to AFD and UYI would.   

best of the new songs

It is no metaphor.  However, I think CD will be the only overtly political song.  Axl doesn't want this to become the album to be a mouthpeice for some political movement, he wants it to reflect him.  I mean, he said he picked the name because it sounded cool.  I think some of you overthink these things way too much.  But what the heck do I know?

Funnily enough, I just got into listening to The Blues again, great lyrics, vocals and music. I love the Vegas/Rio version, not so keen on the 02 version.

I don't think it is about the body politic of China either.

I think the song "Chinese Democracy" is about any dimensions of change/ transition/conversion of the established system. Or of any politic where the dominator and the ruled are from social system to an individual level.

I read the lyrics as it stands:
After failed action and reaction, there's been much impotent feeling and inertia. But the change is the inevitable current which you're going against but is soon staring you in the face. The longer you put off dealing with the reality, the further you get behind. It goes beyond your control. One day it does the worst.

The name is symbolic of Axl's wry sense of humor.  There is no such thing a democracy in the nation of China so one conclusion would be that there is no such thing as this new GNR cd.  HA HA HA the jokes on us!!!

CD a political song? I dont think so. There is only 2 small references to china. I dont even know why those words are in the song, it doesnt go with the rest of the lyrics. He probably just added those china references because china is in the name of the song."chinese stew" and "falun gong" could easily be taken out of the song and it not ruin the mood of the song.

I seriously doubt Axl would just include the lyrics for those reasons.

"Hm... gee nothing fits.  Hey! This song's called Chinese Democracy! And.. I'm hungry.. wow chinese stew!"


Uh.. Nuh?

somehow everytime i listen to the new songs i have to think about axl writing the lyrics about the album itself and how the public is thinking about it. For example the lyrics GNFNR talked about or some parts of the IRS lyrics.

The song called "Chinese Democracy" is almost guaranteed to be on CD, too...
And the other new "songs" played in 2001 and 2002 had to be probably on CD too... If not, why Axl would have played them ?


Madagascar and The Blues are great. These are the only new songs I can listen to. Great but not better than the UYI material (Breakdown, Civil War, Estranged, etc.) and definitely worse than AFD songs like Sweet Child or Rocket Queen !

Isn't it something to do with the Falun Gong documentary Axl spoke about ages and ages ago?

I for one am very interested to hear what he has to say about the old members and his side of the story.

I agree that Madagascar is about the old band, listen to the lyrics, sure they could be about a million different things but it is very easy to relate that to the old band.

The Blues is certainly about Stephanie.

Madagascar and the blues hit me on an emotional level similiar to Estranged

Estranged wasnt a big hit but one of the top GNR songs ever made.

Maddy and The Blues hit that level overwhelmingly to me.

The Blues certainly proves that Axl still has that amazing song writing ability and the ability to make the music really convey his emotions well.

If you listen to the clips in the middle IMO  you can tell madagascar is about the old band.

I realy hope "the blues" will be released as a 2nd or 3rd single. I know Axl said it won't be a single in back in 2002, but I hope the very positive feedbacks might make him change his mind. It could be a very radio friendly single. I'm sure the studio version will be giant. The few seconds I heard in the boston promo (studio extract) sound GREAT  :peace:

I took new songs played in 02 as the messages for the fans.


The Politic doesn't necessary means politics of government.
The politic I meant earlier was the human relations that involve the pecking order of the ruler/ supremacy and the ruled/ inferiority.
That has relevance to the society/ community of any dimensions, such as an industry, a group, a company, or a family. This system sometimes exists within an individual mindset.

I love the blues.

I think it'll be amazing when the studio version comes out. Cause toward the end in the live 2002 version u cant really hear what he's saying cause his voice kinda gives out. Plus it was 3 yrs ago still in the "experimental" stage. With all this time to work on it, I know Axl's gonna have something great cooked up for us as far as Maddy and The Blues go  :peace:

Its sad that this song was the best I've heard from new GN'R so far.  Its not a bad song, but its not great.  It puts shit like Silk Worms and Oh My God to shame, but compared to old GN'R stuff its not even close.  It impresses me that it doesn't absolutely suck, but its not that great.

If Axl wasn't a NIN fan, we wouldn't have these songs. Unfortunately he is. That's why we have these songs. Someone should have sent him an Oasis record instead  8)

I'm pretty sure Axl already has all the Beatles albums in his collection, so hearing an Oasis record wouldn't give him a lot of new ideas  :hihi:

Oasis are better than the beattles (et toc!) ;D
I saw them yesterday at Olympia, 2 words: fucking brillant.  :peace:

Well NIN has absolutely nothing to do with Silk Worms. Besides NIN is not the first.

Nes you sound like my granny who calls everything except Cliff Richard "Beatles". :hihi:

really? does your mummy wears tutu? :hihi:

It might give him the idea to rip off other hugley successful artists

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Maybe the song's gonna turn out to be a bolt from the blue.  :P

She used to. She was in a ballet.   ;)

1st of all, let me explain why I think Silkworms and Oh My God are terrible (Silkworms) and below average (Oh My God).  There is no flow to these songs.  Cacophonous would be my adjective.  It is difficult to find the rhythym in these 2 songs.  The transitions are choppy...but...maybe, just maybe, the studio version of Silkworms (if it exists) could work on these problems. :)

2nd of all, The Blues is an amazing song.  There's rhythym, emotion, it works!  We are in for a treat when we finally hear the studio version.   :love:   The Blues, yeah, it's probably about Stephanie.  But Maddy about the old band?  I'm not sold on that one. 

The blues is just as good if not better than dont cry or patience.

Axl4Prez is right on with his criticism of Silk Worms and Oh My God.  Its like Axl just through some random parts together into one song...especially in Silk Worms.


No its not.  Or at least not any version I've heard of it.  Perhaps the studio version will be better, but even if it is it doesn't touch Don't Cry and it damn sure doesn't touch Patience.

agree on Don't Cry but Patience is another story. Lets wait for a studio version where hopefully Axl will be able to do a nice even job on the vocals.

I wonder if 'The Blues' will even be called 'The Blues'? Axl said it was a working title. Remember, the working title for 'Estranged' was 'Without You'.

The blues lyrics are better and the solo is on par. The blues lyrics are some of the best ballad lyrics axl has ever written with the exception of estranged.

Neither of these prove Robin is as good as Slash.  Stop fooling yourself boy.

Robin is ok.  Simple.  I'm sure Axl didn't 'hire' Robin for his skills anyway.  He probably hired him because he liked him.

Which are no WAY near the best GnR tunes.

And since The Blues is easily the best new GnR tune we've heard, that means Axl's not shown anything near the quality of old GnR.

We wait...

I'm sorry?  The solo is NO WAY NEAR as good as the Don't Cry solo!  Fucking hell Dave... I've heard it all... you're so fucking blinded!

Don't Cry is awful in almost every generic hair metal way. :rant: Elementary lyrics, cheesy solo and that god awful ayyyaaayyaayyyaayyyaayyyyaa at the end. But, to each his own, I 'm sure all the Don't Cry fans out there don't have to worry about Chinese Democracy. All they have to do is dip down in to their record collection and pull out Trixter, Kix, Ratt, Poison, and Faster Pussycat for never ending hours upon hours of endless enjoyment. :-*

Don't cry is fantastic, so is The Blues, but as soon as we won't hear the studio version I'll prefer don't cry.
However, Don't cry guitar solo (Slash) is better than the blues one (Finck). But Fortus outro is better than Slash one.
Slash/Fortus would be the ultimate guitar duet in GN'R. That would be phenomenal? :drool:
add Axl, and it would be a nuclear explosion onstage. 200% energy.

Utterly a wise saw. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
How many times has the sentence similar to this one occurred to me while my reading some nagging posts.
Hey, I like Don't Cry. It's not that bad.... Yeah the lyrics are as elementary as Sweet Child... You'd feel the Simple spirit in these songs all the more for the simple bearing. well at least it's not cheap in the generic hair metal way that is simply awful IMHO.

I think you mean deaf juninor  :rofl:
And music is subjective get over yourself. And IMO its the blues solo is just as good as dont crys.

the two "new" songs who impress me most, is The Blues and Madagascar... i like them better now them back when i first heard them!
And thats a proof of GNR making qualitymusic! More u liste, then better it gets!

I pull out the Trixter, Ratt, and Poison all the time.  Does that make my opinion less valid?  You can have you're NIN and Nirvana, or whoever else most of the people on this board like.  I'll take hair metal over all the shit that's come out since it died anyday.

Good for you, mate. the good old days are all yours. : ok:

I say yes !
Is a pretty good song... love it

Hold on there johnny boy - while I agree Trixter, Poison, & to a lesser extent, Ratt & FP were all pretty lame, especially Trixter, I always thought Kix were a cut above - 2 excellent guitar players & really well-crafted tunes. They were/are/ great live, also. i saw them numerous times in the late 80s.? Midnight Dynamite was an excellent album, IMO.

 ??? i never knew that!

Some storyteller never opens his mouth without telling a story or two that are empty n slow of wit. :smoking:

The Blues has the best lyrics of any GnR love song besides Estranged and its really well composed.  I think it's better than Don't Cry.  Not as good as Patience, November Rain or Estranged but a great song and the studio version will be amazing. 

everyone blames Axl and his liking NIN for Oh My God and Silkworms, but arent they the two new songs he had the least to do with? i was under the impression he only did the lyrics/vocals on those.

as for The Blues i think it's a great song, as good as Dont Cry or Patience, but not SCOM and not November Rain - its not one of the 'big guns' (i assume there will be better rockers, and at least one better ballad) because we won't hear any of them until the first single.

pardon? >:( it's not everyone. I love Oh My God better than you like The Blues.

haha, i just meant a lot of people.
i love Oh My God too.

I love "the blues", I'm the one who created that topic, but I think "don't cry" is a better song. Don't forget it's one of the most famous GN'R song ever, "Don't cry" is a classic and was a big success in the early 90's.
The blues is as good as patience, but not as good as don't cry. And I don't even compare with November Rain wich is more than a song, it's art, it's genius, it's a Classic. It's one of the most impressive song ever written in Rock music. Nothing will touch November Rain. You MUST be a genius to write a song like that.

Patience is as good or better than Don't Cry and they are both better that NR, in my opinion. The Blues is as good as NR

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Izzy, November Rain is more than a song, it's almost a symphony. I talk about the studio version, the construction of the song, the 3 guitar solos and..the end, the 2nd part of the song, the orchestra, it's phenomenal. Everything is perfect. Perfect. Also the videoclip is great.
November Rain is more than a song, it's a masterpiece.

Each to his own? :)
I just find it abit boring the end is cool though

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Agreed 100%  :)

I respect the song for being as artistic and genuine as it is, but to me that song just emphasizes the self-indulgent attitude Axl could very well have had during the UYI days. Over the top ballads were so far from what GnR originally stood for and kicked ass doing that even still a song like NR is still a surprise for me. To me Slash, and the boys were missing on this song spiritually as it was Axl, and Axl alone churning out these overproduced epics.

There is nothing wrong with being self indulgent.
Bohemian rhapsody   is self indulgent and its one of the best songs ever written.

i think a lot of the new songs get a bad wrap because the sound quality of the recordings is so shitty...if you try to just listen to the music and imagine how the studio version would sound, i think the new stuff will sound pretty great...the live recording of the blues is probably the only recording of a new song that actually sounds good enough to judge...i think the studio versions of madagascar, chinese democracy, and rhiad will sound great if the album ever comes out...

Please man, dont compare the blues, with DONT CRY.. that is blasphemy!!!

sure, don't cry is better. I re-listened to it, it's a wonderfull song.

Now, I had a listen to the Osaka version and I changed my mind. It's a Beautiful piece.

On the cleaner version, Pittsburgh was it?, I didn't like the intro piano.
I'd prefer it if it was a woodwind e.g. flute instead.

I think The Blues is much better than Dont Cry. Dont Cry is just a cheesy love song. Lyrically, The Blues is much deeper.

English is not my native language so I really don't care of lyrics. The important is the melody.

Dont cry is a classic and js happens to be my favorite GnR song next to Coma. The Blues will be nice when the studio version comes out, but its still in the experimental stage, and the final result is up in the air. So will the blues be better than dont cry?

That remains to be seen.  :peace:

I'm addicted to that song!  8)

the blues version of toronto '02 is one of my favorite gn'r songs.
i think it's beautiful. i've spent a lot of 4am sleeplessness listening to the blues.

The Blues and CD are my two favorite 'new' songs. Whenever I listen to GNR, these are the two songs I listen to.

I think the studio version will be up there with the best GNR songs ever.

Spuddy, I completely agree. I have always thought that The Blues will be a major highlight of the album.

The Blues is a timeless classic, admit it everyone :yes: : ok:

Ye, when its released  :-\
both great songs though. alternative Don't Cry is even better.

The Blues is so fucking great. Its up there with the greatest Ballades ever made!

That version is amazing! The Fortus outro is the best I have ever heard for that song. The man is technically very skilled. This outro recalls me the Slash one in "give in to me", with a KILLER Gibson sound. However I just have a crappy bootlegs sound quality, do you have this version with a good sound? can you upload it?
thanks.

Nes. Could you please PM me the song! Would be very happy if you could...

if someone uploads it no problem, but I have a very crappy sound version for the momment.

I cant wait to hear a studio version of The Blues!!!! : ok:

Yeah the blues is great. First I liked maddy more than the blues but after all these years  :hihi: my mind has changed.

Isn't it strange to know such a beautiful song and rest rest of the world doesn't. At least until it's officially released only a minority has heard it.

The Blues is great, and in the Slash/Finck thing, i gotta say Fincks Solos on the new songs (Played live) are much better than anything i heard on Contraband. and the Big Daddy SCOM Solo was IMO much better than the original Appetite one, but thats just my opinion

SilkWorms was Pittmans and Dizzys song.

I think SIlkworms gets bashed way too much. Is it a life changing song lyrically? Of course not. But I love the idea of the osng. Its like a new kind of a punk song. Musically I think it kicks major ass. As some1 said earlier the lyrical flow doesnt flow but musically it will kick ur ass. Especially when the band jams on it.

I think the weakest of the new songs is RHiad. I dont like/understand the vocals. I like it musically though. But thta is the only song I dont listen to as much.

All the other songs are very good some great. If we get stuff liek this I will be more than happy. Cantw ait for the studios that Boston Promo teases us way too much. Axl sounds great on those tiny clips.

Whoa, wait a minute.  Are we talking about the same Silkworms?  That song is atrocious.  The transitions are terrible, the song is all over the place, the music is bad.  That song is an embarasment to the GN'R name.  Axl should be ashamed of himself for allowing such a piece of shit to exist with his name attached to it.

rather with the "Guns N' Roses" name in fact. I totally agree, and this point of vue is also valid for all of those horrible weirdo industrial songs that will ever see the light of the day under the "Guns N' Roses" name.

you know what i think axl would say to people who say it has to be this, or it has to be that? Fuck you.

And that fuck you is more "GUNS N' ROSES" than the album you're trying to put together piece by piece in your mind to be exactly what you think it should be.

I know axl would say a "fuck you" to that, but sometimes it's good to listen to the others. I think the audience reaction when those industrial songs were played said it all...most of people really don't want that.

the one i have is from gnrworld.com, just go to the main site then click on MP3s
the sound quality is quite good. the only sucky thing about that recording is that it's not just the song but axl's ranting before and after the song, so you can't just put it on your playlist really. i mean it's amusing at first, but after awhile you just wanna hear the damn song. still though, the version is so amazing i could care less, really.

whoah, hold up there
youre talkin one of the most memorable, classic guitar solos in history

Ive nothing against Finck, but man he butchered that

Hey Spacebrain, I tried dl'ing The Blues from Toronto, but the page is down apparently.  I haven't heard that version, but I'm partial to Boston, with Pittsburgh a close 2nd.  Boston is cleaner, with Pittsburgh being more emotional, IMO. 

...and yes, 4 years later it's still an awesome song.  I'm curious to see what happens when we as a community have to share this gem with the whole world.  It will be interesting.

 :love:  The Blues

i'll upload the thing myself if anyone has any suggestions of good uploading sites...
you really gotta hear it though, it's an incredible listen.

It was played live a few times, you have no idea how the studio version is. Plus Axl said he didnt like how some of the songs sounded live, that might be why silkworms was only played a few times and not on the us tour or eurotour after rio.

i'm also dying for the studio version of The Blues. even so, i can't get enough of the live version that i've been listenin to

Yes, it will be a HUGE song one day and will go down as a classic in the GNR history books. It's so genuine and heartfelt. Finck's solo is what dreams are made of...

for those of you who don't have the toronto '02 version:

http://s56.yousendit.com/d.php?id=1NB2JK553IQSS13GFO6H22UU8O


 :peace:

Spacebrain, thank you so much, that rocked!

It reminded me more of Pittsburgh than Boston.  I'm a Blues junkie!  Every version has its plus side.  It will be like I'm finding the Holy Grail when I get my hands on the studio version. 

"I was watching tv and there was a riot, and I thought I was late."   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Axl rules.  8)

I was listening to the studio clip promo the other day and I just heard a guitar part for The Blues on it. It was only for a second or 2 but I never realized it before. The tone of it sounded cool. Has the feel of the Bucket IRS SOLO.

Axl4Prez, that is a really shitty comment by Axl. It shows how much of a megalomaniac he really is.

Why does it bother you though. You know what your getting with Axl. Hes not an angel. hes not gonna be on time. Hes gonna rub you and others the wrong way. Case Closed. But you have to realize thats also what makes him great. Its appealing to others.

Axl and GNR werent and never will be one of these nice and neat, orgainzed, "professional" bands.

Youngunner, the reason it "bothers me", is because Axl's state of mind will come into play when/if he makes his comeback. This 'universe revolves around me' mentality that Axl has will more than likely kill 'new' GNR. Every time the band tries something, Rio, VMA's, 2002 tour, its always Axl's mindset that causes the GNR train to wreck. The new generation of music fans will quickly lose interest if he keeps using his same tactics. A few thousand forum members will not be able to sustain CD's success. He has to open his mind and broaden his horizons. If he refuses to do that, look for CD to be an immense failure. Regardless of how great the album is.

   Jameslofton, sorry, I really disagree with you here. ?It's a joke. ?A rather funny one at that! ?...I tried posting this when I saw your reply.  Honestly, I don't believe this humorous aside was an example of megalomania.  The whole future success of Chinese Democracy is based on Axl being true to himself, and being himself.
 Every time the band tries something, Rio, VMA's, 2002 tour, its always Axl's mindset that causes the GNR train to wreck.   ...I also disagree with you here.  How the heck do we know it was Axl's mindset that caused the GNR train to wreck? (I prefer to call them "night"train delays :)  This seems to be a very big assumption, and you know what happens when you assume... ;)

   I respect Axl because he doesn't give a fuck what people think, and probably laughs when he sees people making these preposterous conclusions, when they really have no basis whatsoever.  Let's face it, all we know is rumor.

 8)     
 ?

I dont think its a preposterous conclusion to say the blame for the derailment rests on Axl's shoulders. Forget about the rumours. Walking off stage in mid performance of a song is insane. Making comments like the one you mentioned, although mildly amusing, is also insane. Making cryptic statements like 'Round 1' and then not backing it up is truly insane. Not showing up in Philly so thousands of paying fans could see him is insane. Saying BH's departure will take his album to "the next level" is absurd. He has to change his state of mind before 'Round 2'. If he cant, then he should just release the album with zero promotion. It would have a better chance of success. Trust me, if he continues his current track record, the public would quickly move on and new GNR will just be a small footnote in the GNR legacy. He needs to bring a new attitude with the new songs. 

GHs sold something like 3m albums in the USA alone, CD will sell atleast that much without even trying. CD could sell close to 5-8m in the usa if its really as good as people say it is.

"without even trying?" What does that mean? So with no promotion or any advertisement the album  will go multiple  platinum? Really?

And which people are you referring to, the ones  who worked with him 7-8 years ago?

Krispy Kreme is right, and his name is delicious.

But, all this talk depends on whether Axl wants CD to be monetarily successful.  You can still be critically acclaimed without selling tons of albums.   ;)

To some extent, marketing is a necessary evil if you're looking for album sales.  Done correctly, this really could be huge.  It'll all hinge on what Captain Axl decides to do.  Stay tuned. 
 :peace:

Krispy Kreme this is in no way trying to offend you.. lemme just say something about the "without even trying?" What does that mean? So with no promotion or any advertisement the album  will go multiple  platinum? Really? statement...

just remember.. the Greatest Hits album sold 3 mil with out any real promotion or advertisement. People bought it cuz it was GN'R. At the very LEAST C.D. will sell half of what Greatest Hits did just because people are bound to be curious. That leaves it at a solid platinum status. And like I said.. I believe thats the <b>minimum</b> it will sell.

Only my opinion but I think its based off some good numbers.

   -jack

the hits sold so well because its OLD material. It didnt need promotion. Most of the people who bought it probably just wanted their favorite songs on one cd. Yeah, CD can have critical acclaim and sell 500,00 to a million copies. But what's that going to accomplish? I'm sure that Interscope and Sanctuary are banking on more than critical acclaim. Old GNR releases were major events. GNR is one of the only bands in history that could cause people to stand in huge lines to buy their albums. It will be very interesting to see if that happens this time. Chances aren't good for that happening. Axl has burnt alot of bridges, including the bridge to the GNR fanbase over the years. The bridge that really needs to be rebuilt is to the fans. He needs to start embracing his remaining fans instead of ignoring them and driving them away.

you just dont get it.
Axl doesnt care about what you or any1 thinks. Hes got his goals and plans and thats it. When the bell rings and your on board great...if not o well...he doesnt care....stop worrying about what people think. Peopel will not deny great music. SO if CD is great no matter what they think they will begin to love Axl and gnr again.

Without even trying means the guns n roses name will sell ?a few mllions copies on the name alone. The GHs album sold with none new songs at all. And you really think anyone is going to care if slash is not on the new album? CD will sell 3m copies easily. When its all said and done it will sell at very least 10m copies world wide.

Come on, don't even bring up the lines of people waiting for the UYI's to come out. ?That was the absolute prime of GnR, not even the biggest die hard can expect that.

What we can expect are a few radio friendly hits to keep this record high on the charts for the long run. ?Couple that with solid songs rounding out the album. ?That should get him some critical acclaim, if critics go into this with somewhat of an open mind, which may not happen.

Again it all comes back to solid material. ?Thats all Axl can do. ?No matter how you market it, you can't market a crappy product. ?However you can market a quality product, and increase sales with a few strategic moves.

Quality songs is what we should all be clamoring for, not long lines at record stores on the opening day.

Look at it this way, if bands like good charlotte and puddle of mudd can sell 3m albums with their crappy albums you really dont think that guns n roses with a long awaited album cannot do at least that?

Those bands, and yes I agree they are crappy, have radio hits on their albums.  If Axl doesn't have those, he won't sell more than a million.  Thats just the way it goes.

IRS is very  catchy and could be a radio hit. Just go back to when it was played on trunk, trunk claimed he was flooded with calls to play it again or ask if it was really gnr.

You're nuts, Davegnfnr2k1662.  No way in hell this sells 5 mm in the US. None. I'd be surprised if it sold more than 2 million.  And yes, Slash not being on the album will hurt sales. As will the absence of Duff and Izzy and the other original members. Face it, the people on this board are in the minority.  Most fans from the 80s and early 90s have moved on. They still remember GnR as they were and have no clue what's going on now.  The original line up would sell 3-5 mm.  Axl solo under the GnR name won't.

How am I nuts? Just because you are all pissy slash is not in the band anymore does not mean it cant be done. Also did I not say 3 million? The range is 3-5 with 5m being the most. You dont think it can sell 10m world wide? If the first single is strong, the album before its all said and done will sell around 5m copies.? I know you think slash is the main reason people liked gnr but you are in the minority. Just look at gnr in the early 90s, it was all about Axl. Look at the AFD videos, esp. the PC video, and the banners for Axl. Slash and Duff always got jealous when they would walk through the airport and Axl would get asked for an autograph but they would not.? Most people liked gnr for Axls voice and songs.

When CD drops most people wont even care that slash is not in the band if the songs are good.
Another thing you forget is, sure gnr will lose a few fans but they are? going to gain a ton also that were not old enough to see them in the 80s and 90s. There are a lot of kids who are 16-24 that are just getting into gnr, and when CD comes out, you really dont think they are going to? buy it?

If it holds  true what Tommy said about CD that there are many types of songs on the album, a few rockers, a few ballads, a few pop songs etc etc. I think the pop songs will be the singles to get people to by the album, then the other tracks will make it a classic.

The only way CD sells more than 2 million copies if internet downloading is curbed forever and somehow Axl gets millions of 14 year old girls to buy his CD. Thats who buys CD's now, 14 year old girls. Puddle of Mudd, Coldplay, Good Charlotte, Usher, etc, all get those people to buy albums. 14 year old girls bought GH cause of SCOM and Paradise City.

~KYI

I think you are completley wrong. All the old fans who you say have moved on will buy the album the second it comes out just out of curiosity. Then you have got the millions of hardcore fans from round the world who will buy the album. I think that this album has taken so long to come out and has created such mystery in the music world that it will sell like a mother fucker. I have a question for you as well. Your name on this board shows who you think was the main force behind the original band. Yet you are on a website for the new band regularly. So GNRisSLASH will you buy the album? If your answer is yes then I think that shows quite many people who may still want the old band, still want to buy Chinese Democracy and are still amazed by Axl Rose and his music. If your answer is no, then me thinks your wasting your time on this site? Cheers Mike

P.S In answer to the dude who started this thread, yeh I agree 4 years on and the Blues still sounds fucking wicked and I for one cant wait to hear the studion version on the album!

+1
To a certain extent, Axl will start from scratch when the album is out. Without Slash, he will start from sratch. I hope the album is amazing because exept Axl, don't count on a guy like Robin Finck to make GN'R popular again. I don't see much potential in that guy. He is not a Superstar like Slash, and he will never be. He will never interest people on his own, he is not talented/solid and charismatic enough. Tommy and Richard can be popular, but as soon as Robin will be the lead guitar player, this new band won't be the best it could be.
Fortus should take the lead. Really. He is much more talented...and credible.

As much as I like Richard I gotta disagree with that statement. Robin's been in GnR since what? 96/97. That shows a huge loyalty and commitment this man must have to seeing this project through (see latest press release to fans). I think in a way he would be spitting on what he so depserately wants to shine if he became the weakest promotional link in GnR so that could be primarily why he looks like John from RHCP. Scruffy/unshaven is more "marketable" in rock than goth..but thats entirely off topic..

Four years later, yes Boston, RIR, and Pittsburgh bootlegs of The Blues still get to me..amazing song :)

are you kiddin? you are fuckin crazy do you think that cuz robin dressed goth... gnr wont be huge again!... he talented, more or same talented than slash but in different way... im sure that a lot of people will like robin... a lot of new fans

You people have no idea what kinda curiosity this album have made for all new/old fans, most of people will buy it only for curiosity, and thats a LOT of people.

Something found on mygnr... listen to that? http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
PLEASE, don't tell me now Robin is the right lead guitar player for GN'R. WTF is that? Within a few month (2002 tour) the man fucked up more solos than Slash in 7 years. Even in the worst Slash days with 2Kg of coke and 5 bottles of Jack Daniels, Slash never fucked up like that. And it has nothing to do with his look, it's a question of talent and skills. Robin is just not talented enough, face it. It's not to "bash" him to say that, it's just to see (and hear) a reality. I have nothing against the man, I'm sure he is a nice guy, but I'm sorry, I don't think the band will be credible again with him on Lead.

Cant you see it, or should i say hear it! It is Robins way to play. And i think its pretty fucking intresting way to play! I trust Axls judgement on what he want!

Yeah, BH's solid guitar gives the sound credibility, and Robins unstable waver expands it into the incredibility. Shame the two leads would exhibit an exquisite balance between reason and lyricism.

And lets trust our own ears! :beer:

Do you realize how many albums 5 mm is?  Do you realize the Eminem, who is infinitely more popular than GnR these days, sold 3.5 mm of his album Encore in 2004. And that was only the 3rd best selling album of 2004. Only 1 artist sold more than 5 mm, Usher.  I'm no fan of Usher but in popularity, it isn't even close.

You seem to make this into a Slash vs Axl thread when it isn't at all but that's always your cop out, like you playing the race card or something.  The fact is, in the last 10 years, music has changed. Hip hop and rap rule the sales now, not hard rock.  Throw in the fact that GnR is completely different than it was, makes it even more difficult.  And, you constantly speak about a single. Where would that single be played? On modern rock stations, like KROQ or WXRK in LA and NY, respectively? Could be, but I doubt it.  On hip hop stations? There just aren't that many good hard rock stations left to drive a hard rock single from GnR.  VR got play but not b/c of Slash. Much of it was because of Weiland who is still thought of as a modern rock guy because of STP.  I liked The Blues a lot. I can't think of many stations in LA where it would fit, unfortunately.

Well at the same time, Evanescence sold over 10 million copies worldwide of their album within 1 year and a half. NORAH JONES sold over 30 million albums within 3 years (2002-2005). So...music still sells a lot if it's quality.

Yes I know how many it is, and learn to read. I said 5m is the high end and it will sell 3m at the low end. So you are doing your typical thing and just focusing on one minor thing and not looking at the big picture. As for me making this a Axl vs. slash thing, I was not the one who was crying slash isn?t on the album so it wont sell as well as if it was the original gnr making a new album. So you should point your finger at the person. Who was that again?

As for where would the single be played, if you knew anything you would know that modern rock stations are failing and that station after station are adding classic rock back into those programming. ?If IRS were the first single it would get heavy airplay. In Boston one of the biggest markets in the country, Gnr is played on both rock stations WAAF and WBCN a lot. They both also don't just play the hits, you will hear? songs like my michelle and used to love her also. You failed to realized that modern rock stations are on their way out, and its going back to classic rock and modern rock mix.? WBCN over the past year had to change formats from just modern rock to both? because the were losing ratings.? There are more stations? now that play both than just modern rock. Also, the newer style of gnr is a mix of modern rock with classic rock so why wouldnt it get airplay on modern rock stations? How do songs like Cd, IRS and madagascar not fit in with modern rock?
CD is kinda like pearl jam, madagascar is kinda like? a mix of radio head and floyd.

Also Eminems last album sucked, thats why it did not sell. So like I said CD will sell atleast 3m with 5m ?being tops, and like I also said world wide it will sell around 10m

All these guesses about how many copies it could sell are kinda funny.

It seems like nobody has really understood how the record buying public works. One album that's really great sells maybe one million while another album with one hit and 13 filler tracks sells two million.

There's no logic.


People don't buy albums based on how great the album is. They buy albums based on hits. If the song is on the radio and video is on MTV, it'll sell more.

How many people are gonna buy a new GN'R album because they'll know all tracks on it are great and how many are gonna buy it because they heard one song on the radio that they liked?


These days it seems like it's all about marketing and convincing people they really need to buy this album.



/jarmo

Jarmo, Norah Jones has never had a big promotion, I've never seen her on MTV, her concerts are small (small clubs), almost "private", nothing like the big business, I don't even think she has ever made a Video. And she has sold over 30 million albums since 2002, more than Beyonce, Britney Spears or Eminem. How can you explain that? Plus, her music is...Jazz. Absolutely not trendy nowadays...absolutely not "marketable".

i think that has to do with the fact that there's still a marketable cd-buying music audience, with the 'older' music crowd that were around before downloading and don't download music. i personally think CD is gonna sell a shitload of copies because of that, and the fact that if they have a good hit, then newer younger fans will eat it up.
and this cd is a fuckin' legend at this point, 10 years of hype, i don't understand how people think it won't do well. what the fuck, man?
although i agree with jarmo that a lot of times, it's totally unpredictable what the record buying public will like.

Like I also said CD will sell a few million on the name guns n roses alone.

Yes I know how many it is, and learn to read. I said 5m is the high end and it will sell 3m at the low end. So you are doing your typical thing and just focusing on one minor thing and not looking at the big picture. As for me making this a Axl vs. slash thing, I was not the one who was crying slash isn?t on the album so it wont sell as well as if it was the original gnr making a new album. So you should point your finger at the person. Who was that again?

As for where would the single be played, if you knew anything you would know that modern rock stations are failing and that station after station are adding classic rock back into those programming.  If IRS were the first single it would get heavy airplay. In Boston one of the biggest markets in the country, Gnr is played on both rock stations WAAF and WBCN a lot. They both also don't just play the hits, you will hear  songs like my michelle and used to love her also. You failed to realized that modern rock stations are on their way out, and its going back to classic rock and modern rock mix.  WBCN over the past year had to change formats from just modern rock to both  because the were losing ratings.  There are more stations  now that play both than just modern rock. Also, the newer style of gnr is a mix of modern rock with classic rock so why wouldnt it get airplay on modern rock stations? How do songs like Cd, IRS and madagascar not fit in with modern rock?
CD is kinda like pearl jam, madagascar is kinda like  a mix of radio head and floyd.

Also Eminems last album sucked, thats why it did not sell. So like I said CD will sell atleast 3m with 5m  being tops, and like I also said world wide it will sell around 10m

Boy you really take things personally ,DaveGnfnr2kVII.  I quoted facts about radio and album sales.  You reply with typical comments like "...and learn to read."; "you are doing your typical thing and just focusing on one minor thing"; "I was not the one who was crying slash isn?t on the album"; "if you knew anything"; and "You failed to realized".  Instead of sticking to a debate about album sales, you try to attack me instead of the issue at hand.  Time to grow up, Dave.

What did I take pesonally? Once again you try and get off topic, you are doing it now and you have been with buddah. If? you want to get personal then take it to PMs and we will deal with it there. The board does not want to read this BS.? Thank you. If you want to stay on topic then do it and ill reply, if not then either dont post or PM me . I made a ton of points that  you did not even adress so try and talk about those in your next post.

I seem to remember seeing her album being mentioned on tv.....





What's your problem?

Seems like all of your posts are nothing but whining about other posters.

Maybe you'll feel more at home on a VR or Slash board considering you have Slash in your username....



Same goes for you.




/jarmo

GNRisSlash, you make a really good point about radio and GNR not really fitting in to that equation. Radio is on the way down. Here in my area, there's one rock station that MIGHT play them. But considering the fact that they never play their old stuff, I highly doubt they will be jumping for joy over CD. The only realistic option for Axl if he wants CD to be huge is for GNR to go Top 40. I've said this before, but I seriously think Axl HAS to have a 'Vertigo' style song on the album to really get the world's attention. A song that will be played on Top 40 like U2, Green Day, Britney,etc. A song that your grandma will be singing with your little cousin. If he only relies on hard rock/classic rock stations, CD wont be talked about for very long.

Nesquick,
 ?Norah gets a ton of airplay on soft-rock radio stations here in the U.S. ?Where I work, when her song was hot, she had a song playing every 3 or 4 hours, trust me, it sticks in your head. ?Chicks dig it. ?
 ?I also agree with the people who mentioned music pirates, a.k.a. scum-bags. ?Until it's stopped or curbed, album sales will suck. ?What music acts need is something that makes the buyer need the real c.d. ?Whether it be artwork, encryption that makes it difficult to copy, flooding file-sharing communities with fake versions, etc. ?Until then, teen girls not as computer savvy as the boys will buy the most albums.
 ?Maybe Axl can do a duet with Britney or Christina! ? ;D
 ?Axl is a smart man. ?I would love to bet anyone on this board CD sells at least 3 million albums in its first year...at least! ?The Blues would fucking kick ass as a pop tune similar to Patience or Don't Cry. ?Trust me. ? :peace:
 ?

You guys/girls have obviously never touched a guitar, as a guitar player i must say that really sucked ass. it's not a way of playing, it's screwing up. believe me, those screw ups were not intentional and it doe's NOT sound cool.

I've met and played with several guitar players who put Robin on shame. And they are not even professionals. One of them is only 19? and is currently at the Beerkley Music School...He destroys Robin on guitar.

The blues is a popish top 40 hit. Tommy even said gnr have a few pop songs planned for CD. If the songs are hits, the stations will play them, its that simple.  A lot of rock stations play gnr now, just because they dont in your area does not mean they are not played on others. Like I pointed out earlier,a lot of modern rock stations are dying out and changing over to a mix of classic and modern rock. 

Dave, there is a classic rock station here, and they dont play GNR. If they do play GNR, they play them when I have the radio off. I agree with you about The Blues. Out of the songs we've heard so far, it has the most potential to be a mainstream hit.

Dave, two of the biggest markets in the US - LA and NY do NOT have hard rock stations that drive album sales.  LA has 95.5 KLSX, which plays some GnR but nothing really from new bands at all.  The station doens't drive album sales.  KROQ, which plays bands like The Killers, drives sales.  Power 106, a hip hop station, drives sales.  In NY, KLSX, plays the same music as KROQ in LA.   What no one has mentioned is satellite.  XM has The Boneyard, channell 41 and they play all hard rock.  Sirius has a hard rock station too.  But hard rock albums, by and large, have not sold well in the last 5 years in the US.  Bands like Franz Ferdinand, The White Stripes, The Killers are not in the same vein as GnR.  They are more modern rock and contrary to what you claim, are not dying.  Did you watch the MTV Awards? Which bands dominated the show? Green Day. Killers.  They are modern rock bands, not hard rock bands.  Maybe in Boston modern rock stations are failing but that is absolutlely NOT the norm in the US. 

krock here in Ny went from a striclly modern format to a classic/hard rock format. Now they play gnr everyday whereas in the past they never did.

Late 80's early/mid 90's rock is where its at. AInt no denying. As long as the new material is good GNR will have no problem getting on Krock here in ny. The ballads will get on q104.3 as well another major station.

Same here in Milwaukee.  Lazer 103, which was trying to be somewhat modern rock has given away to a classic/current format.  Classic rock really is the dominant genre in the Milwaukee market.

Plus in Madison, the biggest rock station is JJO, a mostly modern rock station...however GnR gets airplay on there.

So the state of Wisconsin is in the bag for ya Axl.    :beer:

KROQ plays gnr now. And this years mtv VMAs was the worst awards show ever. Everyone bashed it and said how boring it was. The FACT is GIS like I said more and more stations are going away from the strictly modern rock, how much more proof do you need?

Was KROQ the station that Falcon said wouldn't touch GnR?

http://www.kroq.com/music/mostrequested.html

KROQ does NOT play GNR in normal rotation. Maybe late night or if requested at an odd hour or during their 80s flash back hours.  And I think the VMAs sucked too.  but the FACT, as you like to say, is that hard rock was conspicuously absent.  We are in the minority. Hard Rock records don't sell like they used to. That is inarguable.

Oh so because people hear gnr played on kroq but you think they dont means they dont? Nice one there. Who cares what the most requested bands are, I dont see U2 on there but they play them, I dont see Linken Park on that list but they play them .So what is  your point again?

Ye something to that effect

this is possibly the best explanation of why fans like myself get frustrated and criticise Axl. you hit the nail on the head there James, it is indeed sad that Axl hasn't even offered a modicum of respect to those who have supported him for such a long time.

KROQ does not play GnR in regular rotation. DOES NOT. What is YOUR point?

I've lived in L.A. all my life.. and while I don't listen to KROQ much anymore (xept for Loveline  :hihi:) I can tell you IF they do play GN'R they play it EXTREAMLY rarely... because I've NEVER heard them on it.

O and on KROQ.com you can't even request a GN'R song.. they aren't listed  :rofl:. What a crap station.

    -jack

You have no point since people that listen to Kroq heard gnr songs. Do you even live close enough to ny to hear kroq?

I live in Jersey and they play GN'R on KROQ all the time since they changed formats.  Its usually the same few songs, but they get pretty heavy rotation.

I believe they're talking KROQ in LA, which have never had GNR in rotation. 

We were talking about Kroq in NY.

Isn't that KROCK, Sterns flagship radio station?

The KROQ I've spoke about before and Vasoline73 mentioned is based in LA, they 've never given GNR any regular airplay. 

I don't think GNR will lack airplay by any means, they will get tons of spins by stations that play a mix of old and new and the classic rock stations will play the hell out them.   

Stern is out of NY NOT cali.

Thats what Falcon said.  WXRK ("K-Rock") is Sterns station.  You mistakenly called it "KROQ," which is the L.A. station. 

So Sterns station is K-Rock, NOT KROQ.  : ok:

Well as you know spell is my weakness  :rofl:

so are you admitting that the gnr name alone will sell cd regaredless of the songs..?

It wont hurt. CD will sell a few million on the name  alone because they wanted to see what Axl has been up to all these years. If its a greally great album like I said it will sell closer to 5m.

Ive never criticized your spelling, but this in this instance spelling isnt the problem because one station is K-Rock, the other is KROQ, and theyre being confused.

They are said the same thus my spelling joke. I didnt know the NY K Rock was spelled but that was the one I was talking about the whole time.

Dont you know anything about radio stations in the US, Dave? K is West. W is East.  WXRK is K-rock, 92.3 in NY. KROQ, 106.7 is LA. I have consistenly said KROQ does not play GnR and they dont.  They played Oh My God when it first came out and it got no requests and thus was quickly removed from rotation.

I could totally see The Blues on top 40 rotation.  Out of all the new songs that one would make the best single imo.  : ok:

Top 40? I see it easily in the Top 10, probably at #1.

my bad  : ok:

Its definitely the only song we've heard so far that could go to the top of the charts.

Madagascar could make a #1 also. Chinese Democracy could make a Top 20, Rhiad a Top 40, Silkworms would be massively rejected I think. People would hate it. Even the hardcore fans hate it so...zero potencial in that one.

I thing everything industrial (in the sense of silkworms, oh my god and my world) would be rejected, because it sucks. Good music is good music and bad music is bad music. That's not very complicated to understand. Let's hope Chinese Democracy will be a Rock record with some modern touch, but still be a Rock record.

I talk about the real Charts, the only one valid for me: The Top 40. "modern rock" charts and "trendy rock charts" or whatever you call it don't count. There's just one valid Charts for me.? The real one. For exemple, VR never topped the single charts. They never had a single in the Top 40.

I think you're overrating Madagascar. Maybe top 20, but not #1. I think the song CD has a better chance on the charts than madagascar. It will be very interesting to see how Axl approaches the topic of what to release as singles. The Blues has the most potential, but I cant imagine him releasing that as the first single.

IRS would do great also.

The 1st single should be an intense Rocker ala "Welcome to the Jungle". It should thrill the world music. Short and intense. Something with guitar riff and guitar solos. Something energetic. Something like "smells like teen spirit" in 1991. Those kind of songs you see? a furious single.
The Blues could be the second one or the third one.

first single----> Prostitute? IRS?

Chinese Democracy?

Chinese Democracy is not good enough to be the 1st single. Plus it has an industrial edge and I don't think the general public would "love" it.
The 1st single should be something both raw and modern. But not industrial.
IRS would be amazing. Change the BH shredd guitar solo, call Fortus and ask him to put a Classic Rock n' Roll guitar solo, something furious with a typical Gibson sound (I love his guitar tone), and the song would be #1.

The 1st single should be "dirty", brutal and melodious at the same time. IRS seems perfect.

Nesquick, intersting pick as IRS for a first single. But that wont work either. I think he needs a pop song as the first single. Something that people of all ages will like. Like U2's 'Vertigo'. Something the whole world will be listening to.

Well "the Blues" seems to be the perfect one... it could make as great as "Don't Cry". Would appeal to the whole planet.
But I still thing the 1st one should be a Rocker. Currently, The world needs raw and dirty rock. With guitar riffs and solos.

That BH part shouldn't be blusy. It's supposed to pep up the tone. Otherwise it would ruin the song completely.

I agree that The Blues would top the charts. It's as orthodox as "MY Way". IMO.

a bluesy based guitar solo has never ruined a song. never. In the entire Music History.  It's very simple to explain: It's based on feeling.

I agree with you about The Blues. It has huge potential. The music is good, and the lyrics are beautiful. One of Axl's best songs EVER. A very dark song, like an anti-love song. ALOT of people will relate to it. I can imagine this is one of the songs that Axl keeps adding "finishing touches" to. A vocal performance on this song anything less than haunting ?will be a disappointment. I have a feeling it will be a classic. It will be new GNR's 'November Rain'.

November Rain is November Rain. It may be the greatest song of all time. It's a symphony. It's equal to Beethoven for me.
The blues is amazing but it's not November Rain. The Blues is more like Don't Cry. Don't Cry is a classic, so will be The Blues. But November Rain is more than a song, it changed the face of Rock music. It's like Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway To Heaven. Even better.

With November Rain, Axl shows he is a musical genius.

These tones of guitar riffs have implied meanings in the song. You just can't put them at randam.
A Blusy tone should be in the middle of the song not towards the end.

I dont think I could see CD being a single, I guess you never know, but I have a feeling there are other rockers that would be a bit more radio friendly

with that said, I think CD would make the perfect intro song for the album.  or a kick ass way to start the show.

You can put it whenever you want. Have you heard "give in to me"?

No not for IRS and whose song is that?

Just look at the structure of the song carefully.  : ok:


I must admit My hands refuse to learn the F chord. :-\ But I'm very good at tuning.
I believe my ears. Tah!

Isn't it boring to just listning to the mainstreams or the 80s. ???

The songs we have heard will not be singles.

The 1st single should be the bands best all out, anthem type rocker. with guitars,drums,chorus and great vocals. Their best song basically in terms of rockers.

In terms of the songs we have alreayd heard. I think CD,The Blues and IRS can all be singles. But being the situation is what it is GNR need to put out something even better. The songs we have heard would be great down the line when the band is already established with the new material.

If there wasnt a build up and anticipation for the album like it is, the 3 songs mentioned would be excellent singles. Maddy is a great song but not a single. Just like Estranged, Locomotive, etc

Nesquick, I admire your enthusiasm although I doubt any objective music fan on the planet shares your opinion.

 

I think the closest GNR have to a song of that stature in their canon, is undoubtedly SCOM, in fact I'd say in terms of a timelessly popular rock classic, it's right up there.

Case in point, I was in a club with some colleagues Friday just been having an after work drink, and SCOM came on amidst mainly top 40 R&B songs etc... The dancefloor just went nuts, I was amazed to watch it, everyone singing along to every word - including people in their early 20's who wouldnt remember when it came out.

It just illustrated to me again, not only what a great song it is, but also what a genre classic it is. Absolutley in the same league as Stairway and Rhapsody

Yep, it's definately the signature song of the band.?

Easily the most memorable of their entire catalog.

Paradise City is very memorable in it's own right, but I see how SCOM would be spun over it in some places

Welcome to the jungle is the gnr timeless classic and the Sig song of gnr. Its still played in every sporting arena atleast in the USA not sure about the world.

it's a hard rock classic alright, but SCOM is the biggest of the lot - it transcendes all genres

For sure, for mass appeal it's SCOM.

yea its great song right after madagascar

I was thinking about something concerning "the blues". It would be cool to have all the band members singing the last part in chorus at the end of the song "ooh ooooh ooooooh" like in Don't cry where the old band sang all together the last part in chorus? after the Slash solo. Do you see what I mean?
the last part, in chorus all together. It would be even more amazing on "The Blues".

I heard they changed the title of the Blues to "Yesterday's Rain." Any truth to the rumor?? ;D

I thought it was changed to Eugloy of a broken heart.

[Young Darth Vader]Nooooooooooooo![/Young Darth Vader]

Just leave the song the way it is (well, at least the way it was back in 2002). ;)

Here is a cool version of the blues, thanks goes to bloodyroses
http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=386871AS4TA8N3SI6E6QSWJ118

na. Sorry but it doesn't sound good to me. Way too much effects. Axl sounds like a cosmonaut on that one.

This is the best "new" Guns N' Roses song. Madagascar is very good too but The Blues actually makes the hairs on my neck stand up. It's amazing. The outro (as others have mentioned) is amazing.

I'd buy CD just for a studio version.

As for the guy who thinks it's "boring"...there's no accounting for taste!  ;D

the blues is the most amazing song EVER.  i dont' care if you don't agree with me, but that song means everything to me.

The Blues is very good. But.. I would definitly want a version different than the 02 one.. the song could be a bit more defined. But I do love it. Im just saying.. for it to be a single.. it would have to be easier for the public to digest... especally because most people attribute GN'R to harder rock. Axl himself said that the new songs played during the '02 tour wouldn't be singles.. but I guess theres a chance that that changed. And here we are.. in '05 STILL waiting for the "big guns"

 ::)

I think Madagascar could be great... but to me.. its the definition of an overbloated ballad. And I do like ballads.. so don't say I can't understand something "deep"... its just boring and overdramatic.

    -jack

It's a good song. Classic? We'll have to wait to see about that.

Three years later, and this song is still held in very high regard. This thread is the most positive thread on here that mentions the new material. If any of the "new" songs is guaranteed to be on the album, its this one. To not include it on CD would cause a backlash. Even though its only on crappy bootleg recordings, the song has special meaning to alot of people, which shows the power of the song.

Listen to that http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JXPUOVBZ6CA83PRV4FJKSDM8M
Robin's solo is really great on that song.

And yeah just kinda funny Axl's voice kinda sounds like Towley from South Park. Yeah that is all
:peace:

Great song though, love it
:peace:

"Don't forget to bring a towel" :rofl:

What show is the version you are listening to from?

Maybe there is a better performance available. I stopped listening to virtually all GnR for the time being. I WANT A NEW ALBUM DAMMIT!!!! :rant: . The studio tracks will be so much better than the live performances. Axl is a wayy better studio singer IMO. I loved them live but I love Studio sound better : ok:

"I WANT A NEW ALBUM DAMMIT!!!!"

And you are going to get it? 

Surely you're not getting it?  :confused:

On topic, although the song is not my cup, it's a good song, I must admit.

Doesn't look good for this year. Maybe by the time my B-Day rolls around in 2006 (I hope :peace: )

ppbebe, if you dont really like The Blues, I find it hard to see what your musical attraction to the new band is perhaps outside of Madagascar.

To me, The Blues would have fit like a glove on the UYI records, yet I think it sounds like a modern ballad that could do wonders if released on the radio. By the way, Albany or Boston are the best performances. Boston takes the cake though, watch that bootleg and your in a trance :drool:

not another song like that on the illusions.. One song like NR or estranged per album.. Way to much soft shit

I think this the best version of The Blues.. its the pitt show remastered
http://www.thenewguns.com/MetaBB/viewtopic.php?t=2236

this was already  posted in the collection section http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=23928.0  sorry for dupe

Agreed...maybe one, possibly two if the second is more of an acousticy track like you ain't the first, patience, cornchucker etc

At the end of the day I don't want GN'R to become Elton John or anything like that - Axl has a superb voice and it works brilliantly on top of hard rock songs, something that a lot of other singers struggle with

Pittsburgh is unbelieveable, but that slightly tighter paced "ok, nevermind" version from Rio 2001 is very nice too. Well Pittsburgh is probably the best sounding version out there, Axl sounds very good there and you can even hear these little flutes (Chris Pitman?) towards the end there when on other soudboards they are hardly audible. I think on Boston you can hear Dizzy a bit better and what he plays sounds great.

20 friggin pages about the appreciation for that one song alone - and still no studio version in sight...  :-\

Do you have a copy you'd like to share with the rest of the class Conny? :P Ive only heard Jungle and Maddy from Pittsburgh and those songs were done unbelievably well.

Check your PM

To me,
IRS, OMG, Chinese Democracy and Riyadh and the Bedouins > maddy, blues, and the most of good songs off UYI.

These four new era songs work on me. Obviously they stimulate the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus of my brains to secrete Β endorphin and enkephalin or dopamine, healthily without bad side effect. Talk about trance! :headbanger:

With these four songs, Fitting on UYI in modern way is not enough anymore.
BTW, I prefer locomotive to NR. Just a matter of taste.

Now you see what my musical attraction to the new band is. :D

Ta, ppbebe, I do indeed see your musical attraction to them, except you kinda lost me on your brain glands rant  :hihi:

IRS is the strongest "rock" track so far I think with CD only being a close second behind it. Rhiad and OMG are promising and catchy but I dont see them making the cut. To me they have "2000 intentions era" written all over them. You forgot Silkworms! How could you :rant:

Obviously that track stimulates the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus of my brains... :rofl:

Ill take Breakdown over Locomotive or NR any day of the week : ok:


Thanks Conny, you are a goddess : ok:

Yeah...but  the track has some nasty side effects, I tell ya.

STUDIO VERSION! would be nice...wouldn't it...

Riyadh and the Bedouins, IRS, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar and yes, even Silk Worms seem to me to kinda go together, like they all have a similar 'feel' to them.

The Blues is almost like a throwback to the 90's version of GnR. I like it but it doesn't really go with the new band IMO (and before 10 people post about it. I know Robin apparently wrote the music for it) I wouldn't be surprised in the very least if that song was written pre-Y2K.

Agreed neemo.
yes, there's the certain 'feel' that indicates something spanking new....somehow I feel that we haven't heard the complete versions of the songs from the shows yet but just the parts of raw ore by way of introduction to the coming bran new GNR sound.

the blues, On the other hand, sounds finished n refined.
I agree with AxlsMainMan that it would make a good radio hit easy.

Silk Worms,  strange lyrics...

i've been listening to the fast version and the slow version of the blues and personally, i think there's no comparison between the two.  the faster (rock in rio) version better make the album.

your thoughts?

The brief studio clip of the song from the Boston promo was slow in tempo.

Most of the songs at Rock In Rio III were played fast for whatever reason.

But yeah, The Blues sounded better at a fast pace.

I preferred the more up-tempo version a while back, but I've heard the current version for so long that I barely remember the faster one.

I like the slower version.  The mood of the lyrics is better suited to the slower pace.  That and the best version of The Blues to me is the Pittsburgh one, good sound, good vocals, and Finck nails the final part of the solo perfectly

I agree with what you said about the slower tempo version. It fits better slower.
But I disagree about the best version. When it comes to great audio quality I think Boston is the way to go. Performance wise,I'd take either Toronto or Albany.

Yeah I agree with you on this,I can't wait to hear the album version :peace:

I've listened to 4 or 5 different live versions of The Blues, and while they are all good, I definitely prefer the Rio version over the others. Axl's voice still gives me chills in that one.

I like the 02 version better, except for one huge detail -

They ruined the end of the song. The way Axl sang it during the faster Rio version was just amazing and catchy, but he switched it up a little, and it just sounds labored.

its an awesome song.. one of the better ones.. i?ll sure hope this one is on cd!!

Theres a slower version?

the version played in 2002 was at a slower tempo than it was played in 2001 at Rock in Rio.

I'd go the HOB/RIR version. Imagine the broken vocals like Nov Rain and Better on The Blues  :drool:  They might be cool with a slower tempo  : ok:

wow just think of what it would be like if Guns reunited. ( .000001% chance of ever happening )

if Slash DUff n Axl where in the same room it would make head lines. but maybe it happened. axl was suppose to be in europe.  :o. but who knows. and if someone had a copy of Chinese Dem. then that person would not shut there mouth. word would get out fast. i say almost most sertain not true. but who knows. through out the corse of slash duff and axls life there bound to cross paths.

I love the blues.

It spoke to me while I recovering from my best friends suicide and it has a special place in my heart.

As usual Axl has the simplest lyrics, but because they are so genuinelly heartfelt, they have tremendous power and they sum up emotions that other struggle to express.

I may be alone in this but I still miss when AXL goes "ok , nevermind!" from RIR version blues.  :peace:

haha yea, he should include that in the studio version ;)

I didnt like that version of The Blues. I havent listened to it in years. I prefer the 'newer' ones from 2002. Specifically Tokyo and Boston.

No, you are not alone. I feel exactly the same.

It sounds to me like a part of the song already. Everytime I hear a different version, I sing the "Ok, nevermind" part.  :hihi:

me too. I think it's forever engraved into my mind now.  :yes:

i can't wait to hear it either. that song is amazing, blows away everything out there today easily. only madagascar beats it. : ok:

edit: and catcher in the rye! beats everything!!! ;D

pure bliss. 8)

Just to make sure I'm current, can someone please clarify for me:

Is there a demo version of "The Blues" floating around, or are all comments based on the live versions?  Thanks in advance...

Just live..

Wow.  That was fast.  Thank you!

The Blues is an awesome song.  The studio version will stand neck and neck with the classics.  I love that track  :beer:

i think the live version is already a masterpiece so i'm all about the studio version :drool:

The Blues would make an awesome video too.  Axl walking the streets of LA alone with a blue filter, seeing images of the girl appearing and disappearing from the crowd during the "Everywhere I go I see you" parts

there is a cleaned up live version floating around but thats all.thats where the rumour started about the studio version of the blues leaking  :peace:

"What I thought was true before were lies I couldn't see
What I thought was beautiful was only memories"

Great fuckin line

I still think it's better than the recent leaks.

I've heard a few different versions, but none have sounded particularly "cleaned up." - is the one you're referring to on any of the GnR sites?

Cool, do you remember Lennon took 5 years to rest and be with his family? Well Axl has taken his time as you know...  :-X   Axl Lennon?  :peace:

I have been listening different versions of The Blues trying to find the best live version (my favourite so far is Pittsburgh 2002, better than Boston 2002 overall IMHO).

What I really miss from the 2002 version is the fantastic vocal bend Axl's doing (and guitar bend) before the last verse/chorus. I wish it's on the final studio version. But probably it isn't because they haven't done it in 2006 anymore.  :(

Anyway, I definately like this slower (compared to Rio 2001) tempo version more. And lyrics are very strong. Just waiting for the right moment in my life to give them even more meaning.  :D

And as somebody already said Lennon's Imagine type video would be perfect for The Blues.   :love:

cant beat the boston 1, theres a good rant afterwards aswel

It's great, live in the recent tour, esp Glasgow it was great. Think Axl jumping on the piano as the music gains momentum made it even better!
Stuck between that and Better as two favs of 'new' songs, although they are very different.

Funny,the moment Axl jump into the piano, reminds me the november rain clip. when Slash jump in to the piano when Axl still plays and Slash do the solos.
Also The Blues is more hard to sing it than november rain and estranged.

i saw gnr back in 02 and have a bootleg from the same tour. When they played the blues back then there was a quick guitar riff at the beginning just before axl started singing. Now it's just piano. i feel the song suffers as a result. just wondering if anyone else noticed this.

I miss that riff too... but it still sounds good nonetheless.

of course i noticed it, it sucks without it. it shows how awsome buckethead was. Ron is just walking the line drawn by buckethead. thats what axl gets for pissing BH off.

First of all, that intro wasn't a BH part.

Secondly, BH is hardly showcased in The Blues.

your screen name is unnecessary.

i like the new blues intro, and your screenname.

Hahaha dude the guittar riff at the beginning just before axl started singing, was Robin not BH,bucket was on the accustic guittar..

The song now is more piano oriented and at the ending we have the amazing solo by Fortus. : ok:

hey Garry, your right, that aboy, hope your summer went well, I'm going ta Vegas, I'll try ta get some good pics. 

It doesn't bother me as much as some people. I think on one hand the guitar riff in the beginning made it sound a bit more like an average "pop rock" song (don't get me wrong, it was still brilliant) and the piano-only intro makes it seem more like a ballad now. But it really depends what mood I'm in. Sometimes I want the faster-paced, more aggressive Blues (Boston '02) and sometimes the more ballad-y version fits my mood (NovaRock '06).

I think on the studio album it'll sound better with piano only and a very light underscore of guitar work, but not as heavy a blast as they used in '02.

 frankly i don't care who played it. ?it was awsome b4, no guitar made it worst. i think it shows the band is lacking since BH left. axl is just mucking his thru now.

I used to hate Buckethead, but after hearing the leaks and his solo on TWAT, I realized he was really a great twist for the new band. I do miss his presence now, which is strange.

I agree with this statement. nuff said. ....thanks Russian.

So the band suffers even though he didn't play the intro on The Blues? Wow, yo make as much sense as AxlRoseVen.

Bucket was not audible on 'The Blues' when he was in the band...

First of all i don't know your butt buddy Axlroseven, and i really don't care what you think. fact is the song has changed, not necessarily for the better. it lacks the "boom" it used to have. it just shows the song has changed, since BH, the whole band has changed since BH. Are you some kinda BH hater? But i shouldn't be suprised Axl does what he wants regardless if it's for the better or not.

BTW: who does play the solo on "the Blues '02"?

Robin played the guitar intro for the blues not BH

It didn't change because Bucketfuck left. He didn't even have much of a part in the song, and if you read the thread, you'd know that, along with the answer to your question. And yes, I hate Bucketfuck.

im glad that riff is gone, i thought it kinda sucked.

I miss the opening riff - Gave the song a nice jumping-off point... now it sounds kinda limp.

I like The Blues right now as it is. A lot of Queen we have there. Beautiful intro and good guitar. I`m just wandering - is anybody know what melody Dizzy plays on the piano before The Blues? It`s very very beautiful melody...

Ooh, strike one for Dave. It was Fortus. Robin played the solo...

I'm pretty sure it's Finck.  ???

the blues without the intro riff is more intimate, but i still don't like the part where the drum kicks in. it's too poppy for some reason. the rest of the song is great though.

The Blues is one of "the big guns" and will be a classic GNR track. I personally love that song.. :love:

Yaa i noticed the different in the begining, but i like it and the song has going thru a lot of changes since 2001...

I like the way it sounds now, the all piano intro is cool.  The song starts off slow and builds up, I like that.  But did they take out that flute like synth they did in 02 because Im having a hard time hearing it. :confused:  That was such a beautiful sound. :love: :peace:

I dig the old one more.

The new beginning is much better - the old beginning sounded dated..

LP

to 31 illusions:

clearly you are pro bh, thats fine by me. but saying a song is crap now because he's not playing on it anymore is crazy, especially when he does nothing during the song..

he could walk off stage and grab a beer and the song would've sounded no different! i liked bh's playing on other songs, but you my friend are just jumping on the bh comeback wagon. sad. it aint gonna happen.

this band has finally sorted its image (like it or not image sells records too!) and they have the right attitude and it looks like whatever held them back before they are now free to release the album and tour.

bh is gone, get over ot!!

and fink played the solo to the blues. least he did at glasgow and hammersmith if i remember right

Agreed. The 2006 version sounds empty near the begining. The 2001/2002 Rio version is still my favourite mix? :beer:

During the intro to the 2001/2002 Rio version of the Blues, the guitar adds a level anxiety of the track  :peace:

My favourite was Leeds 2002, although the sound quality is pretty lame, it's such an amazing version.

The new version is ABSOLUTELY better...musically. The piano part in the beginning fits the song and the meaning of it MUCH better. Much more intimate....And it was Fink who did the old guitar part.....not the goofball with the KFC hat.

I miss that riff too ...  :'(

It was Fortus (and Paul Tobias before, even if it sounded weaker, it was almost the same riff). He also played the outro solo.

I love this song with or without the riff... still a great song :yes:

Love it better without the intro riff. At first I didnt, but now it makes the song more beautiful. I love it, its probably my favorite new song, or at least favorite new ballad. This song is gonna be a masterpiece on the record. Cant wait.  :drool:

The Blues and Madagascar studio recordings are what I am looking foward to the most.

What ever it still was not Buckethead.

yeah i've noticed that there is no guitar in the intro now.. but it's still one of the best songs ever by gn'r IMO  : ok:

How anyone can want the 02 abortion back is beyond me.

Go to a show if you are in the States and you will see : ok:

What he said...

First off, I am a buckethead fan and was? before he was ever associated with gnr, but how do you know for fact that Bucket is even on the leaks? to my knowledge it's never been confirmed. Sure, it sounds like something bucket would play, but it very well could've been Fortus (i doubt it was Finck,but who knows). When Better was first leaked everyone was so sure that it was a Bucket tune, and then at Hammerstein Axl made it a point to let everyone know it was a Robin tune.

i don't miss Bucket in gnr. he never should've been there to begin with, and i knew it wouldn't last. He's better off on his own, and Axl & co are better off without him. Bumblefoot does a fine job, but to me he's just this incarnation's Gilby Clarke-except more talented.


I like the 2006 version of The Blues best. I'm sure the studio version will be amazing.

Yes, we know BH was on the leaks. The 1999 versions did NOT have Buckethead and both the IRS and TWAT solos are missing.

Axl said Better was a Robin song because Robin wrote/created it. He plays the intro and some of the other stuff. But Bucket did the main solo for Better (the one before the twirly-whirly effect).

You can tell which Solo's are bucketheads because its really fast/shredding work. Robin's solo's are less extravagent and more melodic without the shredding.

I like the "new" Blues.  The guitar lick they took out wasn't terribly melodic and didn't fit the song.  Interestingly enough, I remember one review of the "leaks" also reviewed a live clip of the Blues from 2002 and totally trashed that guitar lick as well.  I know it's highly unlikely, but I wonder if Axl was reading....

As for BH, I'm 99.9% sure he's on the 2002 leaks.  The guitar solo in Better, for instance, uses a kill switch effect at the end, which is what BH has built into his guitar if I'm not mistaken.

BH is on the leaks its def him on better and twat. He is not on CITR tho.

Yes Buckethead is on the leaks (exept catcher in the Rye).  For me the best guitar solos are the Robin's ones. Especially the 1st TWAT solo, the new IRS solo (only live) and the Better outro solo. Also Richard will play some leads on the album but we still haven't heard his contribution for the moment. So there is still another weapon on guitar to come... the NYC guy...could be the best one? : ok:

exactly.. agree fully

I respect the points made here, I love the 02 version, haven't had a decent 06 version to listen to (high Quality)  nd who knows what the version will be like on CD but I was just thinking if there are so many oponions with good and bad points made.

Now...

Can you guy's imagine the Shit storm on this message board the day of release and the following days, It's gonna be insane.


Who knows they could release completly different versions from the versions we have been accustomed to, I wouldn't be suprised at all. One thing for sure all the versions are and will be AWSOME! : ?:smoking: ? ?

I remember 4tus sounded killer at the Paris show, his guitar tone was really powerfull when he played leads. He sounded like ZZ Top :peace:

Anyway, I like the new version of "the blues" way better than the 2002 version (boooooooring), it's better without the keyboards all along the song (just in the outro), it sounds more natural, less overproduced, but it's still not as great as the Rio 2001 version (best tempo ever). The Rio 2001 version is a masterpiece.
However, the last part is fantastic. I was blown away when I heard the last part live. Powerfull. "the Blues" would make a very successfull single.

did you guys notice that they added some acoustic guitars to the intro?

Yes, and it sounds good. 8)

yeah it's much better than without..shame you cant here them in the sounboard from RockamRing

Electric Tears is more melodic than anything Robin Finck has ever done.

I agree Finck did a good job on the TWAT solo. And I'm starting to like some of his parts on songs better now. But I still don't like the way he plays "erratically" or whatever - it's like he hits notes, hesitates, hits some more notes, kind of pauses, bends some more notes... and coupled with his reactions on stage it looks and sounds like he's blowing his load as he's playing them. You know how when you come it's in spurts - that's what Robin's playing is like. I think it's deliberate on his behalf.

of course, he didn't play on that song He was just sleeping near his amp, or playing with his muppets like a clown on the right side of the stage, doing nothing. Just waiting for the next song (just to shred a few seconds - and waiting for the next one to shred again like if he was programmed like a computer on every song). Sometimes he wasn't even onstage during that song.

Axl got him do do what he did. That was his role.

Honnestly, exept on "nightrain", I think BH was useless in Guns N' Roses. In french we call that "de la poudre aux yeux". It means that in his whole pure technical shred demonstration (his role?), there was nothing musically interesting behind. it was superficial. Not memorable.
I learnt to know Robin through the demos and I think he is a much more interesting guitar player for GN'R. So is Richard.

What a load of bullshit.. He played following the bass line in the song, I can hear and SEE this on boots.

FUCK Buckethead......thank you....he didn't even play during MOST of Jungle......he can play fast but he is about as good as 5,000 other guitarists. He doesn't suck, but definitely and ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS in GNR.....HE PLAYS WITH PUPPETS FOR  FUCK'S SAKE!!!! *!@^*$(#&@^$....... THIS TOPIC BBBBLLLOOOOWWWWSSS!!!! :rant: now have a beautiful day my friends.

I'm sorry guys but i'm just not feeling this song !

to me is has'nt got any better since we first heard it .  Axl's voice sounds really weak on this song and it breaks up the set cos the crowd are like "hmm what ???"

It never gets a good response , when i was watching the live feed the other night i went out for a smoke when they played the blues cos it makes me cringe !

hopefully it will sound better on the album (if its on there)

I just think they could play something new i a bit harder to get the crowd rockin or throw in an illusion song ?? i don't know what do you guys thionk ??

I feel it very much, no weakness in it

it's taste matter

I show the song to my friend and to others who didn't like Guns N' roses. and they like it.
maybe there's something wrong about your feelings :hihi:.

i love the pittsburgh version of The Blues.

I love this song to death, one of my favourite of the new tracks. Can't wait for the studio version.

i feel it untill the drum kicks in, i only love the intro part with axl and piano

The critics seems to like it. It usually gets the best (or least bad) reviews of all the new songs. This was especially the case in the 2002 era.

the blues is like don't cry. a nice song, but nothing special. (hence both tracks were the first songs written with each band).

one of my favourites..

one of the best GNR songs ever written.   Love the solo.

Same here :yes: totally awesome song, it's terrific for a video :drool: :love:

Shiryu.

I'm feeling it all the way down my fucking spine, this song has potential!

I LOVE THE BLUES !! CAN'T wait to hear the final version !!

I agree 100%. A lyrical masterpiece on Axl's part, and one of Finck's shining moments. The Blues could quite possibly end up being the best song on the album.

I used to like the blues... but now I think its a very boring and long song, the lyrics arent special,  and the music is not that good.

I have to admit I'm tired of hearing it live, along with Madagascar and I.R.S.

I'm still very hyped for the studio version.  I think there will be definite magic there.

Never been in love?  I can't think of any other reason to dislike it unless you just genuinely don't like the sound, which is hard to imagine unless you hate NR and Estranged also

Sorry but the lyrics in the beginning and at the end of the song hit home with me...and I have NEVER been in love....this song is amazing and I prefer the piano only version in the intro.....very cool song and the lyrics are genius... :peace:

Yeah its my favourite of the new songs. Sung with a lot of emotion, and the lyrics are great. Hope the studio version is mind blowing!

I KNOW that both The Blues AND Madagascar will be mind blowing.....believe me.. :peace:

I loved this song from the first second on! It's so filled with emotions and feelings and one more time I just adore Axl for putting his thoughts down in such wonderful songs! THE BLUES for 1st CD-Single!! : ok:

I love NR,'s slash's solos, especially after Axl sings... "I know its hard.... uuuu uuu ooooooo" and then Slash.
Anyway let's wait and download the studio version  :hihi: :hihi:

It should be pretty kickass, imo... Hopefully we know soon  :peace:

I love all 3 incarnations of this song, and would looove to hear studio versions of all 3.  (B-sides/bonus tracks, Uncle Axl?  Please?).  That being said, on the soundboard from Inland Invasion you can hear a backing track of orchestral strings playing at the end and it is excellent.  The studio version is going to be an emotional knockout.

Sooo I don't feel like reading 20+ pages of this thread... so here's a question...

Does anyone else have the version where Axl says OKAY NEVERMIND in the middle of it?
What is that?!

it's from rock in rio 2001 when axl calls for a soundguy but he never comes and then ax fix the fuck-up, something like that

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jxo31QR388k

somebody beat me to it!  I was gonna say, that's Rock in Rio.   :beer:

Thanks.  : ok:

...Um. What the hell is he doing?! lol.

I always dug this song but last night it officially grew on me and now it's a classic in my book.

Holy crap what a great song. Great words, great solo/key change, great epic ending. If all the tracks on the record are as good as this, Better, and I.R.S.....wow.

Axl's '2006' voice in particular sounds fantastic on this one. Perhaps that's why it grew on me?

I absolutely love this song as well.  My only problem with it is that the guitar that comes down over the piano in the intro of the '02 version was taken out.  Other than that, I still love it! :beer:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=36136.0  ;)

i prefer the 2002 version

haha hey buddy - but that's not the 'Official Appreciation Thread'  ;)

I also found 'cleaned up live version discussion' and '2002 vs. 2006 discussion', but no 'appreciation thread'  :peace:

EDIT - I guess Jarmo has declared you the winner, congratulations

Yeah EFISH - what were you thinking? that ones not OFFICIAL.

out of the not so hard & heavy section of CHINESE DEMOCRACY i prefer the Nov. 24 2002 version of Madagascar :yes: i love the ending which sounds like a church organ its so bad ass. The blues has great potensial as a new guns song. I think it will be one on the 2012 version of the greatest hits from G'n'R ?8)

the version they played at the may 12th 2006 gig was hands down the best version they have ever played. axl's voice is so perfect.

There's a decent YouTube video from the 12/17 Gibson Amp show that is a pretty flawless performance. It was especially flawless/hard to top for me cause I was in the second row  8)

lucky bastard 8) : ok:

the studio version should be just as Rio 2001.. its my favourite!  :peace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5Q9O-UHxA

I have to agree with you, Axl's voice is spot on there, great performance.

Pitman owns that song.

I definitely envy you because I would have loved to have been at this show. I will be in LA for my first time in late April. Unfortunately, it looks very unlikely Guns will be playing in the area at the time. I am optimistic though that I will be able to play my copy of Chinese Democracy on the rental car's cd player as soon as my flight arrives.   8)

They'll be back, stick around a while.

Keep in mind, they've done 'warm up' style shows in small venues in NY, LV and SF but not LA yet...I get the feeling we're in for a treat sooner or later.

as time goes by... i have finally come to accept that "new" blues live version... with (midi?) acoustics added and the guitars in the intro left out... axl's "raspy" voice - as some of you call it in contrast to the 02 versions - gives the song a more grounded feeling. the end, though, i still think is better on the o1/02 versions.

I always hated the old 01/02 intro to The Blues. Hated it. I used to think "Man, this song would be much better if they changed the intro.  :hihi:

The new, stripped down intro is much, much better.

I just really loved the 02 version with the little synth part in the verse's reminded me of Dr Dre and Snoop !
but with that being said, I still really love the new version too, so i guess what im saying, is that im not saying much of anything.

Wow, people make heaps of sense on these boards  :o

Anyways, I like the blues, no matter what version, though, the high (01/02 ) version even though it sounded good, you can't here the words that axl's singing/saying, wheres as the 06 version you can, which is why I rekon 06 versions better



kudos.

That was my favorite part, too. Are you saying its gone now?  ???

Yeah, unfortunately it's gone. In place are some cliche'd string sections. Those hip-hop whistling synths were really, really fantastic and were actually my favorite part of the song. I really like the new version with the acoustic guitar in the intro, but I can't help but miss that roaring guitar intro and Richards little guitar melodies. Still a great song no matter which way you cut it...

Yeah, I REALLY hope this will stay on the final mix for the album. Those synths fits the song perfectly!

Damn :(

Yeah, it really was a good part of the flow. Shit, losing those synths would be just as devestating to me as losing Bucketheads TWAT solo.

thatd be horrible :o

I hate Axl's 2002 voice on every song but "The blues"


For some reason the raspy voice just doesnt do the song justice.

The high clean sound really elevates that song to a NR type level.


The slower, raspy version in my opinion is not good at all.


2001 The Blues is on a NR level

2002-2006 its on the level of You Aint The First,So Fine


I broke out a GNR mix Cd the other night and I have the MSG version back to back with RIR3 and I made it through about half of the MSG version and I had to flip to the RIR3 which as always brings chills to me everytime.

the 06 versions arent as powerful.

I miss those synths too. :'(

I will be happy as long as I hear "O.K. Nevermind!" in the final cut.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I wish..

It's really grown on me. It adds something to the song.

I think the final studio version of this song will be better then anything we've heard live.

yeah... ahahah

Doesn't that go without saying? :hihi:

i think the studio version of this song could potentially be the best song on CD, period.

Its by far my favorite lyrically and I relate to it the most out of all of em so far.

ok....nevermind.....

what if like if it happens like knockin on heaven's door ritz 88 I never heard anything as great as that, and when I heard the studio version the magic was gone.