Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok, we have 8 weeks until March 6th.  That is the exact timeframe in which Axl himself said that the album needed to be turned over to the record company for proper promotion.  How many people here think that GNR wrapped up all their loose ends and submitted the albnum by today at some point?  I think with the holidays, the answers got to be "unlikely".  I just hope they let us know asap if the album will be delayed.

8 weeks give or take, it doesn't necessarily have to be today they hand the album in.

they will man dont worry in the mean time have beer :beer: or a cig ?:smoking:

march 6 is a tentative date.  that means its not for sure supposed to come out then.  it doesn't really matter if it was submitted today imo, because we know the ball is rolling and the album will be out soon one way or another.  besides, he said he would let us know as soon as possible if there are any more delays.  i'm cool with all that.

We're most likely already looking at a later date than the 6th.

I wouldn't doubt if it's a week or 2 later than the first date we've been given.  But I can handle that.  Atleast we know for sure it's just around the corner this time.  :beer:

I think that "tentative release date" is the key words here, so if we are looking at a later date...let's just hope its not too much later. : ok:

You're right - "tentative" is the word.  I'm as hopeful as the next fan, but the last thing I want to see are "'x' weeks/days left" threads popping up constantly between now and March.  The waiting itself is hard enough, you know?

we know nothing for sure :-\ we dont even know if the album is finished :-\ i hope it is...but until we get some official word we cant assume anything. to do so would just set us up for disappointment again. :(

i think the 8 weeks is so that they can get all the pressing printing, ordering and shipping sorted out....not sure though.


we've waited this long what is another few months....now more than ever we just gotta have patience

I guess my point was that we should start to hear things now if its on schedule.  They have stated they want the proper promotion.  That means a single about 4-6 weeks before the album debuts.  That's possibly 2 weeks from now!

Sometime in March is my hope. :yes:

If they get it done this week/early next week, they'd probably? be OK, but I think any release in March or April is fine anyway. Come on. It's this close, what's a little longer. At least we know they're wrapping it up. If this drags on to May, though, I'm really gonna get worried. Shades of 2003.

This is why Axl's letter doesn't make complete sense if you were take him literally as he has explained matters.

In his 'open' letter, Axl outlines how the final four remaining shows are to be canceled for the sake of Chinese Democracy.  He then says that it takes 8 weeks for an album to be given a proper launch.  But if you look at when the last concert was to be played, it's Jan. 16th, a full week after the needed date to hand in the album for it to be out for March 6th.  Why would they cancel the remaining four shows if most of the loose ends were going to be done by Jan 9th?  Of course, this is all under the assumption that it takes a full eight weeks from album submission to retail sale. 

My gut feeling is that the March 6th date was something given by the band to appease the fans.  The album was suppose to come out in 2006.  Unable to deliver, Axl gave the next best thing: a tentative release date.  I'm thinking that come late feb or early march, we'll get an annoucement from the band and record label for a concrete date; one that is much farther away from March 6th.  My guess is late April to early June.  If you can't deliver what's promised, the obvious course of action is to give the next best thing.  We will all get to our destination, but not when the ticket says so.

Again, all of this is assumption and guess work on my part from an uninformed fan just spewing his thoughts.  I have no doubts in Axl's ability to create some amazing music and perform like no other, but after 10 years of this, the pattern becomes a little more apparent.

Cheers,

Andrew

i think the tour dates were cancelled to finish the album like axl said

because if there in the studio going over final mixes and taking care of artwork and promotional things like we think they are there  would be no time to practice foer the gigs

A tentative date is a tentative date. By March 6th you should expect at least the promotion to have started.

On a side note - The audio manager for HMV Canada has not heard anything new from their Universal rep. Still no album from Axl.

Being on tour can be rough enough.


Any artist will tell you it's not the optimal thing to be on the road and finishing your new album.

It might work for something recorded for fun, like artists sometimes do ("The Spaghetti Incident?" is one example), but I don't think this album is one of those.



With that in mind, read what Axl said:


With that being said, this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Others have made up all the other dates for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.


As soon as they have more news, we'll know.

All this speculation about what's going on and if they're already missed the tentative date is nothing more than uninformed speculation.

Now relax.  : ok:




/jarmo

It would be cool if they acknowledged that everything is going well, maybe it would settle down the Doom N Gloomers... But it is great that they will let us know as soon as possible too.... That is the kind of acknowledgment us fans have been craving.

He said its coming and we've waited this long already, so who cares?  I think Axl likes to build suspense.  So just wait because it will eventually be here.

The 06 of March are date attempt, not confirmed.

hbk *
 8)

IDEM

hbk *
 8)

Because some of you assume things aren't going well?

All the fucking time.....





/jarmo

When have I ever said or assumed things are not going well?...

if 10 years is not enough finishin a fuckin album ( its not the great wall of china for fucks sake) its not a 2 month tour that will make any difference....

Yeah, there's a lot of negativity with regards to this album getting out.

I can sort of understand why but then I tell myself that Axl's only human and the album is just an album.

Albeit, probably the best fucking album ever made in human history!!! : ok:

Some people should just chill the fuck out and live their lives like Axl said to do.

What do you know about it?

What is it that you know of the making of this album that makes you an expert on the matter?

Enlighten us please.


Personally I think it's the old case of "I think I know, and if I keep posting about it, others will think I know too and I'll feel important! I'll be somebody online!"



/jarmo

Im sure the next thing we will here from them is either the album has been turned in and probaly will release a single and a video for what they are gonna do OR they will say its delayed again.  I have a feeling there gonna go with my first idea.


P.S. I don't know anything its just my opinion

Since none of us know anything, perhaps we should all stop talking about what we don't know.  When the time comes, we'll get official news.      :beer:

remember november when you were saying the exactly the same thing about 2006 release?

Yes.

But now things are looking even brighter as far as I'm concerned.

So, since things are looking brighter, I should be negative because the 2006 release didn't happen?





/jarmo

Time to take a breath, I think.? HellHole's statement is a reasonable one - if an update came out about the progress, it would likely calm down / quiet the people around here who are always expecting the worst.? I can't say I agree, but it's reasonable enough.  He's not complaining himself, just seeing updates from the band as having a calming effect on negative or skeptical fans.

That said, I don't think the band owes anybody much of anything at this point in terms of a fan communication, and that Axl's last letter pretty much said all it needed to say.? Like I said before...relax.? The best is yet to come.?

Then again, if I were in control, I'd delete all these "when is the album coming out" threads...I'm axious enough as is.

what do i know about it all?? nofuckinthing..i should admit. but i actually dont see anythin positive about this whole situation. he fired his manager;wich i dont give a fuck..he cancelled the end of the tour; wich reminds me some times ago..he seems so fuckin evasive in his letter; wich has been writin by beta probably( just kiddin but not really) i just dont feel the vibe but i hope from all my heart that im wrong. i dont want to get into that kind of talkinshit again but theres somethin you souldnt forget. we have all different opinions about it. some are negative, some are positive but we got all somethin in commun...you know what im talkin' about right?? i think you know...

ps: sorry for my poor english once again"""

I agree. Why would Axl update us every step of the way? Don't you think he has better things to worry about than a few posters on Internet forums who read things so literally that today had to be the day to turn in the album or else March 6 is out the door?  What if he turns it in tomorrow or Friday or next Monday. A few days isn't gonna matter much. Get worried when it's a few weeks or months actually.

ans i can take shit from you...i owe you more than you owe me... : ok:

i agree with bibbri i mean this isnt school your not gonna get 10 points off if the album was due on jan 9th and you hand it to the label on the 10th

How about a:

-European Tour
-North American Tour
-Leaked Tracks From the album
-An open letter from axl telling us everything we need to know
-a tentative release date for the album

I think that some fans get scared when there isn't information coming out twice a week. It is the negativity that these fans produce, that feeds the asshole media. I not saying be good little drones...  I just dont understand why people have no patience. This isn't Taco Bell or some fast food thing...  I think what I am trying to say is that it might be good if something kind of mid point comes out to shut these morons up or something that says shut your fucking mouth and stop shitting your selfs when there is silence because everything is fine.

I am really taking Axl at his word this time, If it doesnt come out March  6th I am actually confident we will at least get information.

hey dudes....I was reading and was thinking do you  think it was because all the fans were getting negative so...like internet wise that he got to writing that letter ?Like he felt our fustration

the tour was a complete success. No doubt about it..but in regard of chinese democracy makin process and the leaks and the famous letter that i cant actually understand,( i must be a fuckin mongoloid) that seems so fucked up to me"!!the merk's letter makes more sense to me than axl' s.

I think it was just because he knew he wasn't going to make the deadline he imposed on himself by saying in the media that it would be out before the end of the year. When we realized it wasn't happening too, we also got frustrated. The two things happened simultaneously. He was just correcting himself, and at the same time appeasing us.

I agree with that.  I don't think March 6th is going to be it though.  Nothing negative or anything like that, I just don't see it happening, more a feeling then anything else.  I don't see Axl as the kind of guy to work with deadlines and what not - hes on his own schedule.  if he sets a date and can't keep it, he'll just push it back.  more power to him, its his album.  i can wait another year if it means it'll be 1,000 times better.  I think he has a vision and he won't say "its done" until his vision becomes 100% reality.

Also, it is possible that after it is handed in, it will be ready to be released in less than 8 weeks.  So basically anything's possible but i think around march should be the release date.

when axl said tenative i took it as him meaning he is gonna try his best to get it out march 6th but if not it would only be pushed back like a week or to


and now that we are confirmed by the las vegas journal that the band is in the studio im confident axl isn't fooling around

Axl is more Worried about drinking Beer and Liquor on Stage during a Concert than trying to get an Album out. Once March 6th comes and goes, how many of you will Stick with the "Dead Bandwagon"?

Some people on this board need to do their daily affirmations:

"I'm good enough
I'm smart enough
And dog gone it, people like me.
And no news from Axl doesn't mean anything bad is happening."

I nominate you for inconsequential post of the day. Thanks for playing.

what the?
who let this guy in here?

lol

I agree 100 percent.  I don't believe the word we should be looking at is "tentative."  I believe the phrase you have highlighted is the the phrase we should be looking at.  As far as I am concerned, the date we are given is the actual release date and they are working hard to get it to us by then.  I dont feel the 6th of March is a random day selected by pulling it out of a hat.  Whats important to me is that we have a date, something we have never ever had before.  If something unforseen does happen, I dont except it to be delayed by more than a couple of weeks.  And like what was said before, this could also mean we get the album before said "tentative" date.

Axl mentioned we will be notified of any delay, not of any non-delay  ;) So guess there's no delay, since we were not notified of anything...

I hope you are right and history doesn't repeat itself like it has over and over, time after time

Before becoming a teacher, I worked at a record store for seven years, and I will say something would have to happen soon for a March release to be possible.  I buy concert tickets far more more in advance than this timeline we all hang onto to see a release. - And those concert tickets include opening nights.

1. The original intention was the have the album out before the end of the 2006, and management assured him everything was in place to make that happen, and it didn't manifest. This was the reason for the new year cancellations. Going on your theory, even if everything had been in place, there would've been no need for the cancellations because we'd have the album in our hand.

2. I'm sure reasons for the tentative release date are indeed rooted in getting away from all of this 'mystery', however... keep in mind, to make this successful they know they are on a time clock also, and despite what some people think, I truely do not feel that Guns N' Roses will intentionally mislead their fans.

3. CD has been in the works for 10 years, but it's 'release' has not. Only the last few.

God only knows the problems Axl incountered with the release of this album.

Ive now stopped listening to the leaked tracks and just looking forward to March and any updates that are given before hand.

Just trying to forget about it and one of these days just turn on the radio or MTV and get the surprise of my life :)

I think some people would not be happy unless there was hourly updates from Axl on the state of the album  ;)

March 6th was tentative. It might be out then, it might not. We don't know when it will be out until the band tells us. There is little point in asking for updates to confirm that March 6th is still perhaps the day when perhaps the album will be out. Lets all just relax and wait for Axl to tell us if there is any material change either way. A material change would be if the album was out before then, or if it was going to be delayed by a futher few months. I think it is a little unrealistic and unreasonble to expect more than that.

Just my opinion though.

i agree w/ jarmo.  relax, it's coming.  we still have to go to work everyday, pay bills, feed the cat, etc......

nah. I'm not saying that. I feel exactly the same about the release, and I was quite confident as well that it would be out in 2006, and I'm quite sure it will be out by summer 2007, but after you have been proven wrong I thought you would understand the reluctance some people might have concerning the issue, and stop preaching to them so vigorously.



P.S. and whoever is deleting my posts all the time, STOP IT!

>>> I'll be somebody online!"



/jarmo
<<<

 Indeed...
Dude,? you've been pretty cranky lately. Perhaps YOU ought to fucking relax. This is is a Guns N' Roses message board. For fans to post Guns N' Roses messages. Are you the moderator or the judge, jury and executioner?
 I don't see any need to snip at people for speculating.? We get it. You're the MIGHTY JARMO.
I challenge you to go back and review your last 100 posts. Your 'tone' (if that applies to typed messages) has been easy to percieve as fucking rude. It's a rock band, goddamn it.
 And even though you are the king, the fans and posters here are all people too who deserve the same respect that you wish to be treated with.

I think, if the band works as hard as they can, the album might be out in May.

an approximate time frame is not exactly exact.  :P

Haha!

Cranky?

You haven't seen me cranky. Trust me.

To be honest, you haven't seen me. Period.

So how would you know anything about me?





Why are you're telling me this?



No, I'm more like the admin....



Of course you don't.

It's not you people are speculating about and attacking.


Assume you had a bunch of friends who did nothing more than tell you how wrong you are, how you owe them explanations about where you've been and what you're doing and on top of that spread shit about you.

I guess you'd be happy in that situation....

This place isn't here so that a few of you can bring everybody else down. All the time.

If you think it is, get the fuck out of here.



If you think I'm cranky, it just shows how little you know.






I only have less respect for people who have no respect for this place and the band it supports.


There's no evidence that all you "this sucks, it's not coming out" people are right. In fact, it seems like things are moving forward, just like they're supposed to.

Yet you're the ones preaching that the rest of us are wrong.

When I react to that, I get labeled cranky.  ::)




/jarmo

That's obvious. He's been doing that for years. What he doesn't apparently like to do is release albums named Chinese Democracy.  ;)

Seriously, I'm excited. At least he committed to letting us know as soon as possible a more concrete date.

That would be nice! :hihi:

I know I am new here and you all probbly think my opinion means nothing.  As far as Axls letter goes he stated that he will let us know if their is a delay.  As there has been no update we must assume everything is on track.  Just because their is no date on Universals website and some spokesman in Canada has no info doesnt mean that axl hasnt submitted CD to Universal for all we know he may have already.

This is actually a pretty good and fair point and observation. :yes: : ok:

Perhaps /jarmo needs a self-induced banning/vacation for a week or two??? :nervous: :o :confused:

You know, get some sun, drink some beer and live your life.

Forget about this shit for a bit and come back here fully re-charged. :yes: : ok: :beer: :smoking:

 

I don't know why... but I have a feeling that it will be turned in today...

maybe yesterday maybe tomorrow


I doubt it.  I can see those people still finding something to whine about in the content of each update.

I bet they are happy to moan.

I run a GN'R fan site because I enjoy doing it.

Most of the time, it's fun. It's just certain moments that's not as fun as the rest. I don't like banning people. But I know I have to in order to keep some kind of order.

If I didn't enjoy doing this, I'd stop.

Simple as that.


I went to North America in November and had the time of my life. Last year was amazing and it's all because of this site and the band it's dedicated to. I saw new places, new faces, old friends and had a great time.

I don't really think I want a break from all that....  :P




/jarmo

Axl does what he likes to do, and most of the times, it doesn?t match with what other people likes..

If Axl wanna jump down in the crowd and punch a guy..He does it

If Axl wanna ?wait a little moore to finish the album, he does it...

When it comes, it comes...And i really hope that they cnacelled the tour to work on the album, and i hope they made good progress..Because the reason the tour stopped was lame..When your?e going on a tour...Don?t make other plans while beeing on the road !

Here, here.  As far as I'm concerned, activity on the boards supports the other activities you do regarding the band - Going to show's, enjoying the music, meeting other fans etc etc.  I think some people have the priorities in the other direction  :hihi:

2006 was amazing and full of positive things for GNR and us too. : ok:

Toronto was a kickass show for sure. :beer:

And, I'm sure that you don't like banning people as it must suck the dog-bone pretty badly. :crying:

All I've been trying to say to you and everyone on here is that it's really not worth getting bent out of shape over any of this shit man. :no:

You are included in that sentiment /jarmo, even though it's a necessary evil for you to have to maintain law and order around here. :-*

I just wish everyone would calm down a bit and relax as Axl said what he said and all we can do is believe the guy and wait and see what happens. :yes:

Like fuck man, if Axl doesn't live up to what his letter stated (and who really gives a flying fuck if Beta drafted it up for him anyway??? ??? That's her fucking job, as Axl's aide. :rant:) there'll be plenty of time afterwards for all the lame-ass negative fucks to complain and complain and bitch and whine and moan. Right???

I must admit this last two months has been painful and slow and i predict another month before the activity starts up, what i am looking forward to is a packed out summer and actually being out following the band again whereever thay may be this time

How could the last two months, dec and nov of 2006, of the shows and the news including the axl letter be painful and slow for a fan who had gone through 2003 to 2005?

"We do hope you can hold on just a bit longer, and if not, please take a break and we?ll be more than glad -- if you so choose -- to see you again later."

because i had just come off a big high with everything and then i knew i wouldnt be seein them live again for 6 months see for me my little tour started 7th June and Ended 13th November with obvious breaks between but knowing i would see them very soon, now its a wating game again

ah fuck it i know what i mean  :P

You mean you're spoiled.  :hihi:

Actually, it does make sense.  Just because an album is finished doesn't mean it's finished.  Once the album is handed over ot the label, a lot of other things need to be done like artwork (for the album and publicity shots), promotion photography, video, singles and b-sides.  Axl will more than likely want to sign off on everything, hence the extended availibility to do so.

What because i spent my hard earned money to follow a band i have loved since the eighties and through my childhood past all the silent years to be treated to what happend last year. Err No  :P

To me, as a current GNR fan the last year was the most fruitful one ever. What more wonderful is that the more beautiful things are ahead of us.  : ok:

Adler_Sorum_Brain, People tend to think everything is on axl but I think otherwise. I guess the record company whatever label it might be, has its own agenda that can oppose that of axl/the band.

I wonder when Bach said " I know when Chinese Democracy is coming out",  if he also was told that 3/6/07 is the "tentative day".

If I were a bettin man I'd have to go w/ closer to June, possibly right around the beginning of summer. Maybe a single in late March/early April.  But, that is just my opinion, guess, or hypothesis. I, along w/ the rest of you, really have no clue.

But, here's to praying that 3/6/07 is really the day !!!

WoW, what a bunch of tools we all are to this man... he says a date and everyone here automatically says "but it will probly be another 2 weeks after this date". If the man says something he should stick by his word.

This is what I was thinking dude. :beer:

Pretty pathetic and I have the right to say that, because I've been a GNR fan since they first came out. :rant: >:(

So, everyone, can suck on that!!! :nervous: :puke:


Edit:-This post wasn't me being negative either.

I think we all should just wait. Axl himself said that if something goes wrong and the album has to be delayed, we would be notified. He said that only in case of trouble or when the album has an official release date they were going to announce something, bad or good. The truth for now is: no news is a good signal (it means nothing going wrong). They still don't need to anounce a final release date (they have a couple more weeks for that), so we don't have to wait for this kinda news too. At least for now... ?;) :beer:

I think some of us me included wont be happy until we have a daily blog from axl  (checks myspace) but there wont be one. I trust him that we will be informed when its done and then in the hands of promoters and officials. I have two worries.

Firstly if the rumor is true that Axl is putting finishing vocals on in Vegas was it? then damn thats pretty late stuff, I thought if March 6 was the date then finishing touches would involve signing papers and ticking boxes. but how should I know iv never written the most mystical album in the history of the world, and obviously this is Axl.

My next concern, but hopefully utter crap is that was it a rumor or true that axl has previously handed in the album and it was rejected? because at the mo we are expecting him to hand it in and them say lovely just give us 8 weeks to sell this monstrosity.

Whatever im very excited now, its going to be near perfect and what an epic journey everyone has been on. hope we get to hear all the details along the line

One thing that I am curious about :

Axl stated in his open letter to his fans that he and Merck's original intentions were to have the album released at the latest by 12/26. Axl went on to make it sound as if he wanted it released (my opinion) but Merck failed to get it out in time and that is why Axl fired him (supposedly).

Merck answered back by saying that the reason the album is not out yet is because ?it is not complete or "the muse did not show (referring to Axl's artistic inspirations)" or whatever.

The fact that Axl is in some recording studio in Vegas sure makes it seem as though Ol Merck may have been telling the truth. Right ?

Now, b4 anybody feels as though they need to jump my a-s because maybe we read something different or interpretted something differently... just hold on. I am not saying this cos I think Axl is a liar or because I think it should have been out as promised in 2006. I would just like for someone to clear this up for me if I am in fact looking at it wrong.

I personaly believe that in 2006, Axl felt as though the album was done and that's why he began touring. Afterwards, I think he started second guessing some songs that were going to make the final cut or various mixes or whatever. Not to mention the fact of possibly Bumblefoot & Ferrar being added to his magnum opus.

One thing that I do believe is that Merck did in fact issue that whole"one Tuesday this year" thing in an attempt to sell more tickets. He is responsible for taking care of the band not our needs. But anyway, Here's to Chinese Democracy in 2007 !!!

Read this:

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year. Although many things went extremely well and were very exciting, there were, in our opinion, unnecessary and avoidable complications on our tour having to do with the tour routing, scheduling and album and video plans that wreaked havoc on all involved. This was compounded by an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual's particular expertise that has resulted, unfortunately, in the end of both Guns? and my managerial involvement with Merck Mercuriadis.


The band went on tour because they thought the album was gonna be released before Christmas.

Then it seems like they found out it wasn't possible.


Getting an album out isn't just about getting it recorded and then it'll magically appear in the stores. You need to get the promotion going, it helps to have a video done, artwork needs to be created and sometimes cleared etc.

It's a big process involving a lot of people.

If one or more of these things aren't in place, then the whole release plan is kinda pointless.




/jarmo

I'm sorry to say, but that sounds like a rooky mistake.
I guess "they" in "they just tought I'd know better, better" part are the fans,
since we were the ones that tought he'd know better than to let it get screwed up :D

lol

i dunno something is wrong with that jarmo....if it was ready to be out before xmas then why is (or was) there still recording to do?

I'll piggy back on what Jarmo said...sadly, Axl and the band are merely a cog in the machine that is GNR. ?Once the album is turned over to the label...the label will have majority control over a release date and subject promotion. ?They may choose to hold on to the album for 3 to 6 months before releasing it. ?They may want to get a single in heavy rotation on radio before getting a proper release. ?And on top of that, they may have ridiculous demands for Axl about what needs to be turned in musically (how many tracks for an album and extra tracks for b-sides, soundtracks)...or what kind of demands would come in new contracts.

Basically, we have no idea what is going on...or what will transpire. ?We can speculate all we want. ?And sometimes entertaining as that might be...in the end it is nothing more than wild guesses. ?We just have to be patient. ?

The band has come through with their promises. ?Before the end of 2006 they gave us news we wanted to hear and a tentative release date. ?I guarantee you, before March 6th, we will hear official word from the band about what is to come.

All we need is a little Patience....yeah...yeah.

totally man i agree 100% but we gotta post about something :hihi:

you can answer that question yourself......  the muse didn`t show up :hihi:

i doubt there`s a lot of recording left to be done anyways.....  as axl said "some minor - and i do mean minor - additions"...

or as merck said, there are two days of work left to be done...



this is right....

As I said, the recording is just one part of the big puzzle.



Example: If you're working on a big project and you find out it's not gonna be done because other peoples' work isn't gonna be done on time, then maybe you don't need to finish your part before the deadline either? So you decide there's no need to hurry and finish your part, you can do it later.




/jarmo

I just wish that they wouldn't keep 'finding new inspiration' each time they try to finish the album.

Also, the minor recordings may have nothing to do with completing the album. ?Maybe it has to do with remixing the first single...or even a second single since the band will probably be on tour and not around to do that. ?The could re-recording something for a soundtrack or compilation. ?Maybe Axl's recording something for the next GTA. ?It could be anything...

Speculation is fine...but getting mad at the band based on the speculation is a tad bit idiotic.

Good god, of course the minor work is on the album, they are not going to delay CD because Axl is doing recordings for the next GTA. He probably has finishing vocals to put on 1 or 2 tracks on the album, which hopefully are about complete now.

How long you have been a fan doesnt mean you have the right to say that. Being right (which you are) gives you the right to say that.

In sum, I can see how some of this could eat away at the mind, and I get it. All I'm saying, man is it appears to me that there is nothing you can do (short of banning everyone who speaks of W. Axl Christ poorly) to keep the pessimists out. Look at the pretense of GNR for example. If there aren't too many songs on the records about kittens, rainbows, flowers, and chocolate chip cookies then why would everything be happy and sunny on the board for the band? It's about example and appliance.
 I believe that the record will come out. I believe it will be killer. Do I know when it will be released? No? Do I care if it is released in 2 months, 4 months, or two years? Not really. I'd like to see it sooner than later but my life will continue regardless. Let the people say what they will. It's just a record.
 I like Guns N Roses. I like this board. I just hate seeing people being run down for having an opinion. You have yours. Cool. I have mine. Cool. My wife has hers. Cool. Etc...it's only rock n' roll. Let's enjoy it.

If we don't hear something by the end of January, we can assume it's gonna get pushed back.  :'(

Since non of us have any contact with axl , and company , what constitutes as " going along exactly as planned" ,  Jarmo ?

Play.com is showing Chinese Democracy's release date as 3/5/07. Not that play.com has any firmer news than the rest of the world. I'm sure that they are probably just going off of Axl's  "open letter to the fans". Just figured I'd pass it along in case anyone cared.

"Tentative date" is better than "soon".

i agree with all three of you, when axl gives a date, he should stick by his word.  and guess what?  even if the album comes out in september, he'll be sticking by his word.  what part of "tentative" don't you understand?  have you read the letter?  they're doing everything in their power to get it out on the 6th.  that might not be possible.  thats why people "automatically" start talking about dates farther back, and thats why its called a "tentative" release date.  the point of the letter is that all the cards are on the table from now on.  they're doing their best to meet the date and they'll keep us posted on any developments/changes.

Well, there were reports that Axl was working on it in some newspaper a few days ago. Axl himself said ther were minor additions that needed to be done.

To me it looks like things are moving along.


As soon as there's more news, I'm sure we'll hear it. Just like Axl said.


For the people out there who are upset that there's no updates: Just relax. If you can't bear with this, take a break. Come back at the beginning of March and see what's going on.

That way the rest of us don't have to read your complaints every week until the album's released.  : ok:



/jarmo

Exactly because I sure as hell don't need to read about it.? I think to be honest with you, a tour announcement is more important then any CD updates, I'm pretty happy when I read about the band touring ! 

I say that because while the band is touring, we can see them, we know what's going on.  But behind the scenes, we see nothing, and know nothing.

That's probably the best advice out there. Looking at the poll results on HTGTH's main page, some of you seriously need to take a step back. Listening to GN'R daily?? :nervous:

Don't worry about when it's gonna be released. Walk away, move on with your lives, and when it is released, just drop in to your local record store and buy it.

Don't dwell on when it's coming out or not coming out.

haha I know isn't that insane? 3100 out of 3700 people listen to GnR every single day? that is fucking scary shit :hihi: :nervous:

i cant help listening to Gnr Daily its my ringtone for my mobile plus here in England they seem to be on radio once a day again

I should just say that the above post from me no longer applies as it was a misguided way of trying to say that people shouldnt whine if the release is later than the tentative date axl gave, and i (wrongly?) assumed the poster before me to be saying the same thing.

 I am sorry I am not complaining , but it seems that 75% posters on this board are ...so when you refer to " WE" that is the minority. And you should address the 75%

Attention everyone, especially you negative-minded posters....... :nervous: :o :nervous:

Axl said the album would be out so therefore, the album will be out. :yes:

That being said, shut the fuck up and just live your lives until said album is out. :rant: >:(

Thank you very fucking much for your co-operation in this matter!!! :hihi: :beer:

This is only mid-early-January.  And the release would be about eight weeks away.  I know that's the time-frame that Axl gave...but just because we haven't had an update doesn't mean that nothing is going on.  Most of the labels were all on vacation until this week.  this is the point they are sitting down and figuring out what is going to be happening in the next few months.  Even if everything went exactly as planned, I doubt we would hear anything until early Feb.

Im thinking a June-July release date would make more sense. Either way im pretty confident that the album will be out this year, if not, we will definatly hear something official from axl.

jarmo doesnt know more shit than the rest of us!!! and you could upate your site a lil bit by changin the download  :hihi:

"We" the ones who aren't complaining. I don't think we're in the minority. There's a lot of people who don't complain at all, they just don't post that much.

But there's a little group who are posting and are more than happy to keep complaining week after week.




/jarmo

i dont think people mean updates as in "we're still working on it hang in there" since the letter states that if things go wrong as in a delay or something we will be notified. i think most people believe that if things really are going as planned we should be seeing promotion soon as well as rumors abouit the single and filming of the video etc. but theres still time.

You know whats a good idea is for people to order Chinese food for the album release party, and have just an awesome time eating chinese food while listening to the album.

Cause honestly who is going to get invited to an album release party by the band?

That way you can be like oh this album is killer pass the chicken balls or give me the teriyaki chicken awesome...

 :beer:

Hmmmmm.............          :nervous:   

I've been noticing this current trend too, oh wise one.   ;)   :hihi:   :-*

Perhaps, in your infinite wisdom, "this little group" should be banished to the trash can permanently.   :o   :nervous:   :confused:   :beer:   :rofl:

whatever happens, dont forget that GNR cancelled their last few dates.  i think from that point on nobody should have to worry about CD not coming out  :peace:

Hey guys ?

Happier than shit I posted a thread about Axl working on the album in LV. The response the thread got you'd think I posted that he said he gave up and threw all the masters in the trash.

So I'm gonna let loose. Crucify me if you want. ?Whatever... fuck you.

 ?People shit all over the thread "what! not done yet" "more recording?" fuck this, fuck that" "what's your source?" "it will never come out march 6th"... till a mod (I'm assuming Jarmo pulled the plug, he was online at the time and I don't blame him). A few times I posted "come guy's this great news just what Axl wrote..."things are going on" fuck awsome but time after time the thread was just shit on.

I spend a lot of time here but don't post that much and hardly ever a new thread I'm definatley not a high profile poster....but I'd like to know.

"What the fuck are most of you thinking ?"

Axl is a fuckin Rockstar!

 ? You think he gets up, eats his fuckin Cheerios in the morning thinking "Holy Fuck I better e-mail Jarmo at HTGTH and tell tell those fuckers what's going or they will rip me a new virtual asshole". (Yeah they are threatening to not buy the album when it comes out) - Fat fuckin chance I say.

The guy has everything he has (which is a fuckin lot) rolling on this album man. He seems to be fuckin cool as a witch's tit....don't you think he has other things to worry about than us/this message board?

 ? He's releasing the most expensive album ever, trying to recreate or reform (for lack of a better word) one of the biggest bands ever. The pressure must incredible....Let's see some other high profile singer try what Axls doing. They would say "I wouldn't do it out of respect of my former band members". ?But honestly it's because they don't have the balls Axl does.

 ? Now re-negotiating probably the most important deal of his career(with the record company) he is looking for Managment.... yeah it's his own fault he canned Merk, but don't you think he had his reasons? Don't you think it was with the best intentions for CD and the new band? do you think it was to fuck himself in the knee?

There is probably more tour planning going on.

Have any of you guys seen a picture of his woman? If I was going out with her (Sasha) I know I'd be here less.

A fuckin' Fire is close to engulfing his house. ?

 ?Not that he doesn't care his letter showed us that he does. But fuck it seems like everyone wants an update breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Get a fuckin' grip on reality. It's gonna be a great GNR Year.

You've been "banished to the trash can" quite a few times yourself, but always manage to sneak back in. Before you know it, you'll be back to your little bitchfests about me and mikegiuliana in every post. Please take Axl's advice.


As far as the discussion in this thread goes, I dont see why anyone would go into panic mode yet. We knew it wasn't finished yet. Axl said so himself. So the fact that there are a few things left to do isn't really shocking or a sign of the apocalypse.

So why *do* we have to read these complaints? ?Can't any threads that focus on "what's the band doing RIGHT NOW?," and "The album will be out ___" be deleted altogether, or merged with the main thread that exists in Dead Horse? ?Surely, there's not enough news or legitimate information at this point to warrant anymore asinine threads on the subject...

Jarmo - I'm far from implying you need to justify your actions as to how threads are established or altered - I'm just genuinely curious as to why these threads keep popping up and staying in place.

great. Perfect.  : ok:

Right on. Sometimes it's much better to just observe.....I've found it to be less time and energy consuming, more healthy overall, and actually more fun at times.... ;D

Also, I met a couple of people repeatedly on the shows I went to throughout the US, which in my opinion were some of the coolest and most dedicated gn'r fans I've ever seen. Despite being members here and on other boards, these people very rarely post, let alone complain. Made me re-evaluate my view of and behaviour on the boards..... ;)

Sorry for the off-topic.

 ?
Not that he doesn't care his letter showed us that he does. But fuck it seems like everyone wants an update breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Get a fuckin' grip on reality. It's gonna be a great GNR Year.


I think it must be newer Guns fans that are getting impatient and complaining. I'm new to this board but have been waiting for this album for about 10 years.  So for someone like me, the recent flurry of activity (touring, announcements, etc.) is exciting as hell and there's nothing at all to complain about.  Just think how far things have come from about a year ago.

It will be out sometime this spring or summer, that's good enough for me.

No offense, but do you really think a post telling everyone to shut the f--- up is really the way to get everyone to chill out who has been whining ? How about a simple shhhhhhhh !!!

Didn't I hear somewhere that February is Chinese New Year. Seems like the perfect time to get the promotion rolling... but we'll see ....


"Tentative" sounds better than "soon".

tentative sounds like a cop out. but i hope im wrong!!!

100% agreed.  Sounds like he finally buckeled in under the presure to set a date.

Or maybe the album is almost finished : ok:

It looks like Harley-Davidson has pulled the "check back soon for the upcoming song Better" from their Black Sheep Ad on the website.

I wonder if GNR have a new marketing plan and it does not include this ad.

I quess we will have to wait and see... ;D

Axl said in the Letter, that they would drop the january dates because they wanted to concentrate on the promoting of Guns N Roses next album.
So? Does people know what that mean? Like tings is right now, it will be out in March, coz we still havent heard anything else.. They are planning the release as we speak, so i dont get why some people think that the album still isnt finished.

Wow this album has been almost finished for a long time now, hasn't it!?  : ok:
Lets guess how "soon" the next "tentative" release date will be announced and how many more times Axl can lay down the "Final Vocals" before the end of 2006!!!  Oh wait!!! We're in 2007 already?? Wow, time really does fly when you're having fun, counting down the tuesdays that Chinese Democracy has not been released, that is  :rofl: ) But everything must be going okay now since Axl, oh excuse me - Beta, wrote us a letter telling us how sorry Axl really is!! Guys lets just stay positive about this whole situation because evidence clearly supports the idea that the album is done and it's just Managements fault for not promoting it!! I mean it really shouldn't matter that Universal doesn't have the cd yet because it's always a smart marketing plan to promote a product you don't have  ;D For all you negative nancy's on here, don't complain!!! The album is "coming soon". Sorry that one was used back in 2002  :P I'll try again. The album is done and "there are only 13 tuesday's left in the year"!!! Wait, sorry!! Did I screw up again??
Last try, I promise  ;D "March 6"!!!

Hmm... In regards to all of Jarmo's complaining about being "negative". I completely understand his rationale that after being let down year after year, with Axl's word being broken year after year, it's not at all in human nature to complain  ;D
Keep your heads up guys and don't you dare voice your opinion!!! 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and now 2007 is finally the year of Chinese Democracy!!!

I think some of the concern for some is the whole eight weeks thing specified by Axl (hence the title and purpose of the thread).  To some, it doesn't make much sense to cancel the four remaining dates if the album was suppose to be in last week to make the tentative date of March 6.  Generally, and I do emphasis the word generally, the release of a single marks the beginning of eight week period Axl was speaking of.  There are exceptions, and perhaps when Axl said eight weeks he was including the inital marketing plans and meetings concerning the single. 

Who really knows.  The point of the thread is just exactly that: it's eight weeks from March 6th and some would like to hear something by now.

Cheers,

Andrew

How many times in the past did you have a tentative release date?



Keep comparing apples and oranges. You're very good at it.

So, let's play your "everything is just like it was in the past  :crying: " game:

In January 2007 we have: A tentative release date in March. The band finished touring in December after playing in Europe and North America with several sold out shows.

January 2006 we had: No tentative release date and no tours.
January 2005 we had: No tentative release date and no tours.
January 2004 we had: No tentative release date and no tours.
January 2003 we had: No tentative release date and in the previous year a few shows in Asia and Europe plus a tour that ended too early.
January 2002 we had: No tentative release date and no tours. Rcok In Rio 3 was a year ago.





/jarmo

Dont forget from 1994 till early 2001 we had ALMOST NO INFORMATION AT ALL..(with the exception of a short Rolling Stone interview, and the phone interview with Kurt Loder)..let alone a tentative release date....Every date that has come and gone between 1994 and now was pure speculation by someone other than the band...this is the first ever date the band has given us...how come so many people have trouble understanding that?

I'm happy for a tentative release date, but is it unfounded to be just a little weary considering this is Guns N' Roses we're talking about?  You even said yourself Jarmo when the album failed to materialize in 2006.  I do think that Axl believes in the March 6th date, and that's a good thing.  In the end, I suppose a release date that Axl believes in is the best he can give the fans right now.  It's not like he could have said, "March 6th, but realistically, June 5th."  But anyone who's followed this band as much and as long as some of us know it's hard to take their word without some level of cynicism.

Cheers,

Andrew

To me, tentative means that, if things go as planned, that IS the expected release date.  But it isn't set in stone, because there were (at the time of the letter) still things to be done (which Axl said were "minor").  I don't think it's a cop out.  Maybe by setting a tentative date, Axl is hoping to pressure himself to keep up with a timeline, so that there aren't further delays?  No matter what, a release date, albeit tentative, is good news to me.  They announced it about 12 weeks before that date.  They could miss it by 20% and still release in March.  To announce a March date equates with little enough to do that, should things go smoothly, it can be done by then.  Things may not go smoothly, but we do know there isn't that much more to be done.  Cheer up, doomsayers!  : ok:

LISTEN ITS GONA COME OUTTT..DONT WORRY..JUS STOP TALKIN ABOUT IT!

So what would you have us do at a message board?

Let's compare then.
January 2007 we had: No album
January 2006 we had: No album
January 2005 we had: No album
January 2004 we had: No album
January 2003 we had: No album
January 2002 we had: No album

Everything looks the same to me  : ok:

I think it's different and I've been here since 99. 

One big difference is Axl.  He's in the public eye, before it was like a bigfoot sighting if you saw him.

I guess 2002 was just one long Bigfoot sighting then...

he occasionally played some shows.... that was it...    not quite the way it is now dude : ok:

That would be because you appear to be entirely blind.

Now? As in right now. Right now there are no shows. Here's why: The album isn't finished. Guess what!! In 2002 the album wasn't finished either, and that's exactly "the way it is now dude"  : ok:.

Oh really?? Please send me a copy of Chinese Democracy then...
Oh My God!!! You don't have one either?? Wait so if i'm blind, and my statement above is false. Where's the album buddy?  :peace:

Being wrapped up so it's released within the next 11 months. "Buddy".

I wonder what "insider" told you this reliable piece of information.
Heyyy!!! Wait a minute, Axl told us the same thing in 2006!
And wow, so did Jarmo!!!
So this must be true  ;D

in 2001 the manager was fired, and in 2006 the manager was fired.
5 years after 2001, we still dont have the album, does that mean that in 2011 we wont have the album.
I hope not.

enough with the mind games.
nobody here will change their mind with simple logic.
the believers will believe, and the unbelievers wont believe.

there's nothing else to do but to wait.

the truth is, this is the closest we ever got to this album, at this point, there's not many things that could go wrong.
even in the worst case scenario, we'd get the album this summer.
also, if Axl decided not to take mercks advice, and anounce a tentative release date for march 20th, but chose a closer date, march 6th, only tells us how confident he is in this years release.
maybe it's not march, 6th, but it wont be the end of the world if it ends up being april 6th or may 6th.

relax...

He is (was last year) waaaaaay more in the public eye than in 2002.  THAT was different.  : ok:

oh ya and IZZY    : ok:

You're absolutely right! An appearance on National Television in 2002 was completely different.

You must be pretty thick if you can't see the difference.

Did you notice that a year ago there were leaks? That alone is a big difference to any other period.

But no, not to you. You're just stuck in your "it's the same because I say so  :crying: " act.


Even when you have the album, you won't be happy because it's not the album you want.

Why not admit it? You'll never be happy....


So keep it up and I'm sure your posting career will be a long one. You'll be "traded" to another league before you can say Beckham.   : ok:






/jarmo

Listen jackass I'm as frustrated/pissed as you. Aside from that particular "appearence" he was way more visable. 

it seams to me that some people on this board are used to read books, without getting the plot!
well, i feel sorry for them.

To not see the different between 2002 (2003, 4, 5) and now, is just like reading your homework, and still dont know shit!

I'm speaking of the album my friend. Why can't you not understand that there is no album in stores right now? Where is the difference between that and 2-0-0-InsertNumberHere  ;D


The only reason this would be relevant to the release of the album, would be if managment leaked those songs. Which has not been confirmed by management, so therefore the leaks have no real point in this discussion.


I'm saying it's the same because just like last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before, (Do you want me to keep going?) nobody, except for W. Axl Rose, has a copy of Chinese Democracy in their hands.


Oh believe me, I want the album. I will gladly take anything Axl gives any of us, and enjoy every second of it. But that act of "giving" has been quite rare the past few years.


I'm very happy right now actually. I have a very nice life outside of this forum. My career isn't based around kissing Axl ass on a daily basis, hoping he will throw me a bone. In fact I'm putting to good use the most legitamate thing Axl has said in a while. I'm living my life.



Good news for the MLS...

You must be pretty thick if you can't see the difference.

Did you notice that a year ago there were leaks? That alone is a big difference to any other period.

But no, not to you. You're just stuck in your "it's the same because I say so? :crying: " act.



Who was the first person to explicitly suggest that the leaks were "official", ad got a new asrsehole ripped for themself :hihi:? And now we are seeing posts which seem to take it as read that thats what happenned.

Sorry to go a bit off topic  : ok: :peace:

For somebody who's "living his life", the album sure does mean a lot to you.

It mean so much to you that you keep coming here to complain that it's not out when the rest of us are excited to have an active band....  ::)


I think most of us here want to hear the album, but we also understand that it'll be out when it's done. There's really no use going on and on about there not being an album out like all these people "living their lives".






/jarmo

You are one to exaggerate aren't you??
"The rest of us"!?!?  :rofl: Who exactly are "the rest of us". Are they the other forum members?? The ones who were banned for speaking out against you or had their posts deleted because they voiced the fact that we don't have an album? Or the ones posting in this thread for the same reasons? "The rest of us" want Chinese Democracy Jarmo, and I'm sorry we are upset that we were led to believe it was coming and that we all don't have the great attitude you are able to keep through all this.
And in regards to the part about I "keep coming here to complain", where are the other threads that I've posted in "complaining" Jarmo?? They don't exist because this is the only one.
And if you think i'm not living my life, compare my number of posts to time registered. I think there's enough time between each of those posts for me to live, don't you  :peace:

This is going nowhere at all. I'm done with this discussion. I feel like i've defended my opinion, expressed that i'm upset that there isn't an album out right now, and shown that it can be done in a way that doesn't require "1337 t41k" or excessive swearing. I respect the opinion of Jarmo and everyone else who feels the same. It doesn't mean I feel like it's okay to excuse all the lies by Axl and managment and kiss Axl's ass because his personal assistant wrote us a letter. It's not Axl's fault that Chinese Democracy hasn't been finished yet. Just remember guys, the album isn't out yet because "the muse" just wasn't there  :P

You really are something "special".

First you're against the "lies" and then you make shit up yourself.

You can't both have the cake and eat it....




That's the kind of people I've been talking about all along.

The so called fans who'll make shit up just to make their side of the story seem "right". The fans who assume they're being lied to and ripped off all the time. So in order to back up their theory about all the lies, they'll even make up shit about the letter Axl put out.

Why exactly do you think they lie to you all the time? Do you honestly think that or does it just make you feel good to be able to point fingers?


I just finished reading a book about U2 and in it Larry, the drummer, makes an interesting point. He talks about how
certain fans were accusing the band of ripping their fans off. He couldn't understand why anybody would think the band would want to rip off their fans.

Seems like these fans are everywhere.


The funny thing is that you don't seem to react to all the lies you spread yourself or the lies coming from newspapers, radio, TV and various other media outlets. No, you're only upset because Axl "lies" to you.

You're really naive if you believe that people who have no involvement with the band know what's going on. Yet, these people are writing the articles you and others like you quote as the "truth", while you claim the ones in the band are liars....  ::)




/jarmo

I know I said I was done but this was just to hypocrytical for me to let it stand. Would you like me to dig up your posts from 3-4 months ago Jarmo? I thought it was coming in November? If we want to talk about people who have no involvment with the band yet speak as if it's the truth, you're a prime example  ;D

I'm done. I know i'm a "liar". But at least one thing I said was true. It's 2007, and we still don't have Chinese Democracy  :peace:

the kind of people!!! what kind of people?? im that kind of people youre talkin' 'bout?? its not 'cause we are skeptic about axl's honesty and the release of chinese democracy that we belong to ''that kind of people''.

You can't both have the cake and eat it....






You're really naive if you believe that people who have no involvement with the band know what's going on.




/jarmo
you are right on this one.Even the people involved in that project doesnt whats goin on!! lolll includin the bands members...thats really sad!!

Come on guys, I know Axl was a little bigger in 2002, but that's no reason to call him bigfoot!  :hihi:

For all you guys who are skeptical - yes the album did NOT come out last year even though Axl said...."it is this year". ?He also hinted in previous years it would come out....it never did. ?But you have to realize there is ONE thing different now from all those previous years (last year included). ?There is an actual release date! ?Did you ever bother to read Axl's "open letter"???? ?He said... "this is the first time we have done this publicly for this album". ?THE FIRST TIME! ?Never before was an actual release date revealed. ?So forget about all those other years and deal with it! ?Stop crying and bitching here accusing Axl and the band "liars" or people who can't speak the truth.

Who said it is "2007 and we don't have Chinese Democracy"?? ?It's January 11th for fucks sake. ?It's not March 6th, is it???

This thread was started to remind us that March 6th is 8 weeks away! ?NOT that "Chinese..." ?isn't out yet, or Axl and band has screwed us over again. ?::)

cybercurves

Actually, it's Robin who looks more like bigfoot now ? ;D ?Hope he never changes.

You know I'm willing to leave the past behind and look to the future. ?Looks like we left GNR hell far behind. ?Not that we're a smooth sailing ship but what's the fun in that? ?As interesting as the peeks behind the stage has been, we're the fans. ?We belong out front cheering the band on and not spying on them, second guessing their every move or telling them how to do it. ?If anybody can do it better, have at it.

(No, I didn't promiss anything--lol--but I'll try not to get caught)

You are correct everyday that passes. Axl did state when there is news we will hear it.

I have feeling Axl is no hurry to get this album out.

Really? You think?  :rofl: :hihi:

I might not know what's going on, but at least I don't make shit up in order to make myself feel better like you seem to do.

 : ok:



/jarmo

At this point I disagree. I believe putting everything aside in order to personally oversee the albums final stages would qualify as being "in a hurry".

I have feeling Axl is in no hurry to get this album out.

I strongly disagree with you man and I don't give a shit how you or any of the other negative, useless fuckos feel about that either.      :rant:       :rofl:

At this point I disagree. I believe putting everything aside in order to personally oversee the albums final stages would qualify as being "in a hurry".


I also think that this qualifies as Axl wanting this album to finally get released and see the light of day.    :yes:      :beer:        : ok:

I might not know what's going on, but at least I don't make shit up in order to make myself feel better like you seem to do.
 
 : ok:

/jarmo

And, /jarmo's fucking hilarious!!!!!    :nervous:     :yes:      :hihi:            :rofl:               :beer:

So it wasn't only GNR that had those pains in the ass among its fans.
sorta relief.
It sometimes was almost depressing to think of the tough luck to have those illogical, self-important and uninvited guests?because of them the EQ level of the whole fandom as well as the IQ level would remarkably drop?although they are just the noisy minority. Yep, If you look at the thread carefully, there're not really many individual posters complaining. The rest of us are happy bustards knowing the band is doing their best to make us even happier.

Still people tend to focus on negativity that those bitchy few attract peoples attention (and they know it.)

I just can't understand why would anyone want to complain? Guns N' Roses are finally back and better than ever! They had a very successful tour and the album is right around the corner. I've waited 13 years for this band to come back. Now it's finally happening and they are better than I ever even hoped for. It's great to be a Guns N' Roses fan!

I wish more people thought (or at least posted) like us. I have "Better" playing on my myspace page and was asked by a co-worker yesterday why he'd never heard the song. I explained everything from the last year and said from my guess that was going to be the first single. He said that song was incredible and he couldn't get it out of his head.

He's now looking forward to the album. If more people would go at this whole situation with an unbiased and open mind we'd have alot more positive people posting on this board.

That's how I feel too.    ;D

Last night, as I was driving home, I was blasting CITR with my window down and some dude was walking his dog and heard it playing.

He honestly had that  'What the fuck is that tune and where can I get it because it's good.....'  look on his face.   :beer:

I just chuckled and thought to myself; - Soon, dude, you to will be hearing this stuff all over the place!!!  :hihi:

I love it.  : ok:   :yes:

As I said earlier, my bet is that they just love to complain. to moan just about everything.
Their happiness lies on how unhappy they can make themselves out to be.

Why would anyone want to be unhappy and sullen in life?  ???

I say Fuck That.  :beer:   :peace:

most of the people ppbebe is talking about aren?t posting on this message board though...  thanks to jarmo...   if you want to see obsessed idiots slagging off axl go to mygnr.com or blabbermouth....

i mean....   why do people post comments in regards to gnr news, just to say how much they hate axl rose and how much he sucks???    it`s because they care for him, they`re obsessed.. just in a negative way. and it shows what a shitty life they have...

Hoorays for jarmo. :yes:


Yea, perverted affection, I guess. like sadomasochism, you know. No I don't really want to know. :nervous:

I look at the tour and the album as too different entities....I mean dont get me wrong its fucking awesome that GNR and axl are back in the public eye, and (as i did in 2002) i got my hopes up for a album release. there were very few bumps in the tour this time which is in itself a step forward, and the band seems tighter than ever, and its great to hear new news of Axl and crew everyday, BBF is a great addition to the band, their look as a band has finally solidified, and an official website has been launched. IT HAS BEEN A GREAT YEAR FOR GUNS N ROSES!!!

but.....

in 1999:


in 2000


In 2001


In 2002



2003 - no word

2004


2005



early 2006


Late 2006


I find it funny how all you "LONG TIME" fans can conveneiently forget this chain of events, and say that we have never received promises from Axl or the band or management before....and excuse me if, to me, it looks like history is repeating itself.

Let me reiterate, this has been a great year for GnR, and I'l love as much as anyone for the album to be out yesterday....but until i get a release date from Geffen i'm not believing shit from anybody. :P suck on that :peace:

and crowebar i find it amazing that you can kiss both Jarmo's and axl asses at the same time so proficiently, tahts quite a feat my freind : ok:

well neemo.....   none of these quotes, except for merck`s in 2005 and axl?s 2006 quotes sound really convincing do they? a tentative release date is a little more precise and promising.....

nicely said . and as Axl himself said, "dont hold your breath, I hear waiting for gods arrival has greater payoff." .well something like that anyone. the Man himself is not certain of the date. .. He's a perfectionist, and WILL deliver the BEST....i know i CANT wait, but am waiting patiently...why beat a dead horse and wonder about what we already know...... :peace:

i dunno if its only "Tentative" its not really promising, many people have stated that tentaive only means ballpark date, whats the difference between that and definately this year or Summer 2000 or crap like that....i dunno i guess its hard to explain how i'm torn on this subject.......those sound(ed) pretty solid to me....like i said...as a band GnR has had a great year and it was the best time to be a GnR fan since slash left....on the album release front its still the same old shit... :-\

sorry to appear negative....i'm not really....i just get so frustrated hearing the same thing over and over and some of you people are blind to it...its very puzzling :confused:

and crowebar i find it amazing that you can kiss both Jarmo's and axl asses at the same time so proficiently, tahts quite a feat my freind : ok:

Since you've decided to take a cheap shot at me (not sure why...) I'll respond.  :beer:

First off, thanks very much for observing and respecting my apparent ass - kissing abilities.   :yes:   : ok:

I suppose since I deleted my account a couple of times, which has resulted in me not having over 4000 posts like you, I'm substandard.  :D

Actually, on second thought, you know what?   ???       I've changed my mind.   >:(

I'm not sure what to say to you, as it seems you're just looking to start a fight with me as you've chosen to single me out so effectively.  :rant:

Therefore, at the risk of getting banned (sorry mods) or negative karma points I'll say this to you: - FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!!!   :rant:    :confused:

P.S: - I ain't blind to anything.   :no:   I'm just a fan who's still waiting for new material :yes:   :beer:

excuse me crowebar, if i find it offensive that you tell people to "fuck off if they dont like it" every other post

How convincing did this sound?


"There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that ?Okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff of the previous list,? but it?s time to stop that now and wrap up the baby.  It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things.  We?ve sorted it down to what songs are on the record.  What the sequence of the songs is.  The album cover art is ready.? ? Axl Rose (August, 2002) You didnt delete accounts. You were banned. Multiple times. You should learn a different posting style that doesn't give you away each time you come crawling back.

You're the first person I've told to fuck off on this board in a very long time man.

Go dig up all my posts and show me. Which is probably what you're doing right now super-quoter.

You should learn a different posting style that doesn't give you away each time you come crawling back.

Do you know for a fact that I've come crawling back? No, you don't. You know nothing of my reasons or the events in my life so why are you jumping at the chance to defend neemo man. neemo chose to single me out as an Axl/Jarmo ass-kisser and I chose to respond in turn. Why do you feel a need to join in on this anyway? Was I engaging you in a conversation?

A lot of "hope to" and "plan to" with no exact date given.

That's the difference.



None of us know what's been going on behind the scenes during all these years.





No he wasn't.


/jarmo

so am I man, so am i.... but i also remember what has transpired in years past :peace:



hmm look a few pages back....i think you said something like


seems like a big fuck you to alot of people to me...there are more....i really have no prob with you man but those types of posts piss me off....and on top of that its obvious you are being annoyingly ?super nice to jarmo for some reason ::)

with all this being said I'm gonna do my best to stay out of this section for a while....i dont wanna bring this place down....its never been my intent :'(

Not that I want to stir up anything but what's the real difference between "hope to", "plan to" and "tentative"?   Is another way off not committing just this time with a month, day and year date.

Thank you for clearing that up /jarmo.

I may have been spanked a few times over the last ten years but I've never been banned.

Not sure where you get you're info from but perhaps you need to check your source out before you decide to slander me.

Also, I guess because I appreciate /jarmo for having this GNR site and running it I'm being too nice to him and that makes me an ass-kisser?

Unbelievable.

If you call us the ass kisser of jarmo or axl, then you're the ass kisser of the haters.  :yes:

A fan is supposed to support the band they like, aren't they? :confused:

I don't know about you, but when somebody gives me a tentative date when something's supposed to happen, I kinda assume something will happen around that date.

If somebody says "I hope to do this in the summer" or "I plan to do that next summer", I'm thinking "well, maybe it'll happen in the summer".


But that's just me.




/jarmo

 
If the record company doesn't confirm having the finished album in it's hands right now, there is no conceivable way it will be in stores on March 6th. ?Why do people on this board have such trouble with comprehending that? ?It's just common sense. ?

nope, it's not just you.  ;D

Something will happen.

I think the point of Neemo's posts, and for that matter, the point of this thread, is the debate of whether you and I believe Axl in his letter about March 6th.   It all boils down to the fact that Axl said it takes eight weeks, it's now eight weeks before March 6th, do you think he'll make it?  Some around here will believe Axl regardless of what has happened or will happened.  Others refute whatever the man has to say.  In the end, it's probably best to take the wait and see approach.  As Neemo has pointed out in his post on the last page, there's plenty of evidence to warrant scepticism.  Granted, nothing as particular as an actual date has been given before, but there was plenty of insinuation and indication from the band and management that lead a lot of us to believe in a release date a long time ago. 

Like I said earlier, Axl finally giving a tentative release date served many purposes.  First, it absorbed much of the anger that was expected to come over the missed 2006 promises.  Second, it keeps everyone aboard the bandwagon for a little longer.  Third, it gets everyone involved in the project, Axl included, a bit of a kick in the ass to get things done and delivered.  Perhaps the whole process was stuck in third gear and putting a deadline on the project would get things into fourth.  Whether it comes out exactly on March 6 isn't the most pressing issue in my opinion so long as it accomplishes those purposes outlined. 

I do think you're right Jarmo in that when there's news, we'll know about it.  Whether it comes out March 6th or not, most would agree that the band and the fans alike are in the home stretch.

Furthermore, I do not think it's being overtly negative or critical to say I doubt the arrival of Chinese Democracy so long as any statements of mine shy away from any imflamatory muck.  To say, "Based on what Axl has said, did say in his letter, and where we are now, I'm inclined to believe that we won't be seeing the new album by March 6th," is not the same as saying, "Axl's a douche, there's no way the album is coming out in March, this band drives me up the wall."  There's being critical, and there's being negative.   Seems to me that there's times on this message board that people will express their skepticism and be labeled as negative.  Cynicism and skepticism are two different things.  Perhaps it's unfair or unjustified, but if there was ever a band to be skeptical about at times, it's Guns N' Roses.  That's part of the band's appeal in my opinion; no one really knows what's going to happen next.  So we talk about it.  Some agree, some disagree, but that's cool. 

Anyway, that's my two cents

Cheers,

Andrew

I honestly believe that no news so far is good news. If it isn't March 6, it should at least be right around then.

I too believe in Axl Rose !   : ok:

Well, we're splitting hairs around here. If Axl has to push it back to March 13th, 20th, the 27th or, hell, even the first week of April, I'm not gonna cry and call Axl a liar. It is a "tentative" date and anything around that time should be fair game. He has said nothing definite, really, about the release. I will say, if we get to the end of April, into May, then I think we've got real reason to cry, because then they'd be way off the mark. But, I think we'll know before we get too far from March 6th what's up. He said he'd keep us informed of delays. I'm in a calm state of mind right now, knowing that Axl has at least seen our concern as the end of 2006 came. I think the same would happen if March 6th flies by with no news. I think he'd be writing us again.

Rememeber when Axl made the statement at last January's Korn party :

"We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album.

Well just some speculation & wishful thinking but wouldn't it be badass to find out that last year's intentions were to only release the one album by the end of 2006 but then maybe Axl re-thought it and figured if he had just an extra few months he could wrap up all the songs and as a reward for our patience he would deliver a double album or possibly triple to us.

Like I said, I'm not trying to start a rumor. This is just something that I thought would be too cool. Then again, at this point one album would kick ass !

I am as big an Axlite as there is on this site. I originally got in to GNR because of Axl and a little bit Izzy. However, honestly, I really don't trust anything Axl says in regards to the album. You can spin the shit anyway you like-read what you want to read. He has led his fans down the primrose path since 2000 with multiple well documented references to imminent release of the album. Tentative is tentative and is no different to normal people than saying the album will be out in Fall 2006-"definitely". Definitely is more positive than tentative-correct? So, you guys can continue to spin spin away, but reality is, there is no release date set. :-*

Well, here's to hoping that you are wrong.    :no:

No, here is to hoping that he does what he says he's going to do. It has nothing to do with me. : ok:

That remains to be seen.

The reason why I think it's "just" a tentative release date and not a definite one is because, if you read the letter again, it mentions various things that need to be sorted out before the release.

When the letter was written, those things weren't done.

So when he says: "With that being said, this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Others have made up all the other dates for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that everything in our power will be done to meet this date.", I think he means it.

March 6th isn't a promise, but they're gonna do everything possible to get it out then.


Obviously if it's out on March 7th, some will call him a liar....



/jarmo

what we should be sure is that they are doing their best to stick to the date.
If you don't feel the determination, you're not a fan but a denier, I'm afraid.

Just my $0.02, I think we're looking at April-May. I'd like to see it in March but the time frame is just too tight at this point.

At least I definitely know '07 is "the year". I'd love to say why but that would probably just start another shit storm on here.  :confused:

i think everyone needs to relax. things are obviously in motion, Axl said we would be notified if theres any delays. when march comes and we havent heard anything, then we should start bitching.

Why does anyone think March is impossible at this point? It's not even February yet, there's still all sorts of time for a single and whatnot.

What a fan can do is to hope for the smooth progress for the band. : ok: Yeah all the best!

I don't think it's impossible.. but this album has been a long time in the making and they're still working on it. Combine that with the need to actually (physically) produce the final product and the fact that we're already under the 8 week mark... doesn't look good.

Also, I'd hope that we're going to get a spectacular final cut and not just a release that is 'so-so' and dictated by the need to get it out ASAP.

Let's not forget the fact that a tentative release date is still much better than "it could just show up in the stores one day".

You're so right Jarmo!!! Just read my posts and you'll see that everything I said was one big lie!!!  :rofl:
Sorry for lying to everybody here, Chinese Democracy is in stores right now!! Jarmo's right, I just said we don't have the album so that I could feel better about myself  ;D Axl did not lie to us and Beta/Merck did not help Axl draft the letter he gave us.
And on the topic of feeling better about ourselves by making stuff up; I bet you felt amazing after November came and went  :peace:

And where did jarmo say Chinese Democracy is in stores right now? ::)


Well To me, who's a sort that would try the best till the very last minute... and guess what, Id ever get better marks than those who stop writing and leave the exam room early, it just looks good. :yes:

Counting back 8 weeks from March 6th, in order to determine an intermediate deadline in which to extract yet another press release from Axl is f*cking unreasonable.

We got our tenative release date . . . and sometime between now and then Axl will say something - "It's coming" or "it's not coming". You are not going to get daily updates.

Anyone that can't deal with that, should take a vacation from GNR.

 

I dont think you have to worry about us getting a "so-so" final cut ??

My point is that if there is something that Axl wants to do he should do it (and not worry about meeting that early March date). A few more months won't kill anyone. :) 

Funny, last time you didn't use the word "draft". You said the letter was written by his assistant:




You can't even keep up with your own bullshit anymore.





November was one of the highlights of the year for me. So yes....  :peace:




/jarmo

I'd rather it will kill some stalkers. :P

so when did Axl Management or anyone associated with the band say that the album will be out in November because i sure as hell missed that bombshell

Which is why I think that even if they lose a few weeks of promotion to get to March 6th, I think they'd want to keep that date because it'd look real good to get it out on that very date he announced. So, even if we get an announcement in 3 weeks, I think unless it's impossible to get it out then.....March 6th will be the day.  :beer:

I used draft as verb Jarmo, meaning to write. Which in that case would mean exactly what I posted before. You are really an extremely intelligent person!!!
Before you refute something I say, next time learn the difference between a verb and a noun ?:P Seems like you're the one who can't keep up with my "bullshit" ?:peace:



/vince  :rofl:

The PITA strikes again.... but that just proves the fact that you're the bad loser :D

well......  as convincing as the quotes from neemo. i still prefer a tentative release date over this vague comment. you can dig up any quote you want, there was never a date like the one we have at the moment (don`t get me wrong james.... i don`t trust axl on that one, but i do trust him on the promise to do a lot to get it out soon thereafter. i don?t think he`ll do everything he possibly can to get it out though :hihi:)

i guess it`s a matter of weeks until we get the release date. i said the same in 2006, but everything points to it being done or almost done now. we`ll see, i definitely won`t beliebe anything until we hear from universal...

They'd say the same if its before the 6th too!

Just another thought to the 8 weeks thing (and don't forget thats APPROX 8 WEEKS) is that the? :peace: normal :peace: way an album is delivered.

eg that the master, art-work and everything else associated with producing an album from a nothing at the record company at all to appearing in some muses office, then it takes 8 weeks from a standing start.?

Or would it take 8 weeks having already submitted say the artwork, albums credits, lyrics etc...

Would suspect the former in which case that possibly that the master may only require 6 weeks from hand in to release date.?

Whatever happens not interested in any leaks before release date and just want to enjoy a non-stop CD orgy fest for a few days once its in my hands...

Well he said Fall too and that didn't happen and said it a couple times and seemed very firm about it.  I'd take that as tentative too but that didn't happen, I don't take a date here to hold that much value as far as anything different he has said in the past....that's me.

But all's fair, we'll see what happens.

I cant believe we had this freaking awesome letter, and I really thought it was coming out March 6 and now all these "fans" are pissing on my parade  :crying:

Well just be thankful  they aren't pissing on you.

I'll be absolutely shocked if the cd comes out in March. If we're lucky, maybe on/around March 6th, Axl will give us another statement telling us that now the cd will be out on X date.

True. But when somebody says a date, I just assume it's a bit more than just "next year", "in the fall" or something similar....



You changed "wrote us a letter" to "helped draft".

There's a difference in writing a whole letter and helping to draft one.

Either way, you have absolutely no fucking proof that what you're saying is right.


Oh, and you promised to leave this thread, I still see you posting. More bullshit from you. But it's expected.

I don't expect somebody like you to be able to keep your word.  :peace:





/jarmo

Are you ever in a good mood? Do you only come to your website to vent or something?

jarmo...lock it plz you're goin nowhere??oops sorry this thread goin nowhere : ok: : ok:

Ha...ha...ha. Really funny there, ace.

In not a single one of those quotes did he ever once give a DATE.

Once again, this is the FIRST TIME this has ever happened!  : ok:

I'm not sure why all the Axl hate because he lied about a March 6th deadline that has yet to happen?  I mean it is still January, right?  I didn't Rip Van Winkle a couple months away, did I?  On March 7th...if we haven't heard one word about the album...then I can understand the angst.  Until then...relax.

Hey Jarmo, can you create a "whiner and complainer" section for all these haters to go to so they can run their mouths without bothering us fans?

Either that or banish them to the Fall Out Boy message board with all the other teenage drama queens. 

"With that being said, this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6." - W. Axl Rose

The important parts are highlighted for the retards. ?::)

which means he has room to blow the date off again. : ok:

No, what it means to those who are 'thick', is that if for whatever reason something doesn't happen, and this date is pushed back, he was upfront & honest, and told you from the start that it was NOT set in stone.

Anyone who goes around saying "Axl promised CD on March 6th, and didn't deliver", is now a complete liar, and should be sued for defamation of character.

 : ok:

Somehow I knew a thread would get started about how "Axl's not telling the truth" even though he was up-front and honest that this is a tentative release-date.

I hope it is released then or shortly after, but that's of course up to him, the band, the management, the record label, the cd pressers, etc.. etc..

I still think something will happen though, and if it doesn't, it's not like he lied to us..

On another board I wrote a thread that said "Enough already" and the body said "release the damn thing" but that was only cuz I was pissed it hadn't come out yet and it was before Axl explained what was going on, so before anyone brings that up, I'm not being a hypocrite.

-Dave

I think the ONLY thing holding this album up at this point is Axl trying to decide : Do I use Buckethead's solo on T.W.A.T. or do I use Finck's ?   ;D

I prefer your second option.  :hihi:




/jarmo

Hmm..... I always took you as a Fall Out Boy kinda guy.

 :hihi:

hostility....i never understand it...or all the speculation...relax people.   enjoy gnr ruling the world this year!!

Fucking Christ, can't some of you wait until March 6 or 8 or whatever the hell it is before you start busting on the CD. I mean - fuck - you're not for anything. If Axl walked CD to your house, you'd be pissed because he didn't run.
Go hang out on the New Kids on the Block Web site (or whatever the hell constitutes dusche-bag music nowadays).

We'd know well before March 6th if it's coming out then or not. But I think by the time we could say for definate if March 6h could be written off we'll have a statement regarding the album be it good or bad.

Wow, that's quite intelligent, isn't it?

Look, some people choose not to believe Axl on March 6th.  That's their choice.  If you disagree with them, that's fine, but calling them retards help no one and only serves to make this a bitter place to come.  To label anyone who's skeptical over the album coming out in March a retard is moronic.  Saying, I'm skeptical isn't being a hater or a whiner, they're just really unsure of whether the band will deliver or not.  Some have even argued that since we're already in the eight week period and nothing seems to be brewing from the outside looking in, there's reason to wonder.  Better question, how could anyone not be skeptical about this date, as it is tentative. 

If you want to have a discussion about it, that's cool, but everyone should drop the name calling (retards, whiners, haters).  To me, this is the only interesting topic right now as we don't have much else to talk about.  How great 2006 was has been done to death.  What's wrong with a little speculation?

Cheers,

Andrew

Ok, here's some specualation for you:

The album will be out later this year and the band will tour around the world.


See, that's positive. And not "the album won't be out on March 6th and Axl's a liar. They never play my home town and they refuse to play the songs I picked! :crying: "

 :hihi:



/jarmo

That must be because your word means soooo much more than mine!!! I mean we have no reason not to believe anything you say Jarmo. Basically everything you have said has been right, especially on the subject of the Chinese Democracy release date  : ok: You're 100% correct all the time and your "inside" information that makes you so much better than me is extremely reliable!!! Why question anything on this forum anymore? I mean if Jarmo says it, then it must be true  ;D

There are currently 8 Tuesdays til March 6.

 :beer:

Look, I don't drink the Axl Kool-Aid (a lot ofyou young fuckers probably don't even know what that measn), but keep the faith for Christs' sake. Don't bitch until after early March.
Ya' never know.

Exactly. It's P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E! It hasn't even been a year since GNR's return and people are already getting greedy. Last time I checked we waited eight years to see them again, they came, short-lived, we waited another four years, and they are back again, and this time they are here to stay!  : ok:

I haven't forgotton the wait, to just see them again, let alone a new album. 2006 has been the best year in GNR-history since 1993. I can't believe all of these people, because a few dates were cancelled, are comparing this to 2002! 2006 has been NOTHING like 2002, and I can't believe anyone truely believes that.

Guys, "Round 2" is finally here. Frankie sez - "Relax"!

Has Axl ever given you a shout out at a show? So shut your god damn fuckin' mouth. :rant:

Exactly! I wonder how many people that compare this to 2002 actually experienced 2002 as a fan or maybe they just heard things about GNR that year. I dunno. Either way, to me 2006 was awesome and 2007 looks even better at this point.

What I say is usually based on facts.

As you get older, hopefully you'll understand the difference between fact and fiction.  : ok:




/jarmo

Maybe we'll hear from Axl or his management this week to let us know that the Cd's been turned in to the label and the March 6 release is now firm.  : ok:

Or maybe we'll hear otherwise.  :P  And even then I'll be happy to hear the news and a new date.


Unfortunately, some people just go gaga before starting to distinguish fact and fiction.  :P

Not to be rude to you, but it's expectations like these that cause people to be let down.

Why can't we just wait for communication to come when it does instead of setting our own time lines?

i dont want become old and running a has-been band's site and constantly defending a guy so fucked up in the head than he cant tell difference between his dick and a ponytail!!!thats a point!!

Who are you talking about? Surely you're not posting the site as a fan of the guy?

Now you don't have to worry about posting on a "has-been band"'s site either. Bye bye. :wave:

That's the thing with many of these so called "objective fans". Once they admit what they really think, it's obvious they don't belong here.



/jarmo

I'm not sure if facist, pissy, crybaby webmasters who kiss ass so they in turn can have their ass kissed bewlongs anywhere./

does anyone post things about the band anymore or is it all just insult hurling around here now??? ???


assholes!!!? (sorry just wanted to join in)? ? lol :hihi:

I guess I'll tolerate and be supportive even if it's a 3-4 months delay.
but anything after july would be an insult to my intelligence.

Well one good thing comes out of all this, we're getting rid off some "real supportive fans"....

 : ok:

By the way, if you're gonna use big words, learn how to spell them first. It's "fascist".

I guess that'll be covered in history class in a few years time.  :)




/jarmo

was that directed at me jarmo ???

Yeah, thats why fan comes from fanatic

fa?nat?ic ?(f-ntk)
n.
A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.
adj.
Fanatical.

 

Here's a fact for you. It's 2007 and Chinese Democracy isn't in stores!!! A 2 year old could tell you that  :P
And here's another fact. As you got older, you should have understood that there is way more to life than living it through an internet forum with your lips firmly planted on Axl's ass  :peace:

Everyone who is getting all bent out of shape just because there has been silence since mid -December needs to seriously relax. We will be hearing something soon. Axl's probably just fine tuning ' Prostitute ' ! ? ?: ok:

I always thought this album would be released in the summer time for some reason.  I just don't think March is going to work out...July/August time frame seems more reasonable.

That seems to me to be a very, very excellent idea man!!!  : ok:    :beer:

How about it jarmo?   ???

Some of you people really make yourselves look pretty fuckin' petty and stupid. I have three kids that don't whine and complain as much as most of you. I swear, get a grip. Axl is not gonna update us every frickin' inch of the way. Get real. He's not gonna hold your hand just because you don't have anything better to do than complain. Don't you think he's got better things to worry about than a few juvenile crybabies on a Web site. I mean, I don't understand it. I'm frustrated too, but don't act like a little bitch about it. And why take it out on Jarmo? You don't like the way he runs this site, well, there are a lot of others. I know, because I'm registered at most of them.

Get laid for christ's sake.

(steps off the soapbox)

This comes from somebody who was two years old not too long ago.



Strike #3.

Have a nice life Mr "There's no album  :crying: "

There's now three "fans" who got banned after they showed their trueselves. Clueless people who think they know me, how this place works and still think they're above everybody else.


They'll never be positive, excited and/or happy. No way! That means you're an asskisser! It's not "rock n' roll" to be excited or happy. You should keep complaining and put the artist you're a fan of down, to show you're a real fan.



/jarmo

For some reason, I too, always seemed to see this as a summer release. Although, if the Cd does drop on March 6, we would likely be getting our second (maybe 3rd) single around this time frame. Possibly, ' The Blues '... that would be a killer summer single w/ video (any month of the year really).

Actually maybe ' T.W.A.T. ' would be the single cos " It was a bargain for the summer & I thought I had it all ."

It's really hard to say what we might be hearing around then but it's a perfect time to be optimistic about what's to come cos so far we haven't heard anything new yet and the last real news that we did hear was GREAT news !!   :beer:

As far as I know, it seems like major albums are often released in spring or fall. Rarely in the summer.





/jarmo

Hell no! I don?t want any more delays... and I don?t need information about what?s happening right now.... The letter was enough and too clear... I?ll just wait... all I want is the album out by the day it is meant to be released... Till then I dont need anything else... But if by the day and the month nothing happens... well that?s another thing... But now guys... I don?t think we have to worry about lack of information... Let?s just wait... once again... like just we can do... lol : ok:

Jarmo's takin' names and kickin' ass. Fuck yeah!  ;D

You know, I don't understand these so-called fans either. In a way, at least I respect some of the anti-new people, because they are upfront from the beginning how they feel about this revival. But the ones that say, "Guns N' Roses is still good, and I can't wait for an album, but Axl's really an asshole, he ruined this, he ruined that, and he's just an asshole, and you've gotta admit that!"

Huh?

Why do I have to admit something like that. He's never been an asshole to me. Why should I hate the guy, when he's never done anything to me?

I really don't understand some of these so-called "fans" logic.

Exactly how I feel. Legend, I have to say this - all of your posts are very good.  : ok:

Well, for those who kept on questioning as to why they cancelled those couple of shows, seems they were maybe anticipating things taking this long. ?Shows us that they do know what they are doing. ?

Thanks man!? : ok: Drinks are on me.? :beer:


And the thing is, those folks don't even understand cancellations are apart of the business. They happen. Every artist does them, for whatever reason. Guns did them back in the day, and they still have to do them. They are tough calls, because no fan hopes that rare cancellation is 'on them', but the band does not like this either. Not only do they want to come to your town and play for you, their "fans", but they also would like to make money, and keep the PR positive.

People comparing the 2002 cancellation of most of the NA tour, to a few shows at the tail end of the NA tour, in order to get the album prepped for release, are simply people who deep down inside want to see this band fail, so they can be RIGHT. So they can be RIGHT. Not because the music sucks, it's not about that, it's about keeping the screws down, because people have shot their mouths off and banked everything on the failure of this band, and right now are running fuckin' scared of being TOLD THE FUCK OFF.

Put those leather jackets on folks, hell freezes over this March!? : ok:

when we see the single we will now the cd will be just around the corner

Most definitely.  :smoking:

I for one was just watching the 2002 VMA performance all over again, and I think it's crazy that come this August, that performance will be 5 years...half a decade old.

"I don't know if soon is the word" indeed.. :-\

That's funny cos I was just thinking the same thing not long ago myself. I guess time flies by while you are eagerly waiting.  ;)

I for one always respected Axl being honest and saying "soon isn't the word". He was basically telling us to live our lives and do not wait.  I completely agree w/ Jarmo : If you can't see the difference between GN'R in 2002 and then in 2006 now into 2007 then there is something definitely wrong. I can't guarnatee that March 6 is the day but  ... I personally think that "soon" is now the word. That's the difference.

I know. It really doesn't seem like it's been that long.  :-\

My comments weren't meant to be negative, it was more of an observation that time may be passing us by, but with everyday we lose is another closer to holding CD in our hands.. ;)

I think there is a very good possibility we'll hear something this week.  :yes:  ;)  :hihi:  :D   :beer:

I think the possibility gets bigger each week towards the "release date" March 6th.
In the end we will hear something. It can be any day. Tomorrow. Or Two weeks..

Cant wait for that moment.. or, actually! I injoy this wait right now? : ok:

It depends on what you mean by "something." I don't think we'll get new music this week unless it's a leak. I guess we could hear from the GNR camp in some way. Maybe an announcement for the single or that the CD has been turned in to the label.

 I don't think a leak would be impossible this week, but I do think it is unlikely. I was  thinking maybe some news even if not from the management. Ya know, like you wake up and Google GN'R , and something GUNS related was reported w/in the past several hrs... I could see that tomorrow or Tuesday. Maybe a caption online or a spot on cable saying something to the effect of Life Just Got A Whole Lot "Better".

Well if everything is going to plan, they should be starting to shoot the video for the first single (cough cough,Better, cough cough :hihi:) within the next couple of weeks.  :drool:

You have "The Plan"?

Of course he does. Everyone does. What? Did Axl not pm you the plan or something?

shhhhhh, Communist China! >:(   Didn't he say it was between you and him and the bspost?

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