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Title: If the Band...
Post by: Dead N' Bloated on January 07, 2007, 11:42:03 PM
If the original band had stayed together, do u think they would be viewed as a dignified classic rock group like Kiss, AC/DC ect. Or viewed like more of a warrent and Poison and should just give up?
I like warrent N' Poison but they dont seem to be as respected as GN'R.


 :peace:


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: Robman? on January 08, 2007, 12:02:03 AM
If the original band had stayed together, do u think they would be viewed as a dignified classic rock group like Kiss, AC/DC ect. Or viewed like more of a warrent and Poison and should just give up?
I like warrent N' Poison but they dont seem to be as respected as GN'R.


 :peace:

dignified and Kiss in the same sentence? Get Outa Town  :hihi:


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: freedom78 on January 08, 2007, 01:59:50 AM
If the original band had stayed together, do u think they would be viewed as a dignified classic rock group like Kiss, AC/DC ect. Or viewed like more of a warrent and Poison and should just give up?
I like warrent N' Poison but they dont seem to be as respected as GN'R.
 :peace:

Just because GNR came out of the same scene as Warrant and Poison doesn't mean they're at all similar.  There are so many thing that separate GNR from some of the other bands of that scene:

1. Musicianship
2. Songwriting
3. Attitude
4. Look
...and so on.  So, I don't think they'd be viewed like those bands, because Appetite is a "must have" classic album...something that neither Poison nor Warrant created.  If the original band was still together, they'd be viewed very highly, because they did great things.  Doing something great, buys you a lot of credibility.   


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: supaplex on January 08, 2007, 02:02:19 AM
gnr were considered the new rolling stone at the time so them being viewed as a band like warrant and poison is out of the question i guess ;D


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: The Legend on January 08, 2007, 03:44:06 AM
If the original band had stayed together, do u think they would be viewed as a dignified classic rock group like Kiss, AC/DC ect. Or viewed like more of a warrent and Poison and should just give up?
I like warrent N' Poison but they dont seem to be as respected as GN'R.


 :peace:

No, they would've been even bigger. Had the original lineup stayed together, they would've been viewed as their generation's Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin.


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: CheapJon on January 08, 2007, 06:35:29 AM
If the original band had stayed together, do u think they would be viewed as a dignified classic rock group like Kiss, AC/DC ect. Or viewed like more of a warrent and Poison and should just give up?
I like warrent N' Poison but they dont seem to be as respected as GN'R.


 :peace:

dignified and Kiss in the same sentence? Get Outa Town? :hihi:

LMAO

i'd say they would have been like rolling stones and not kiss


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: bazgnr on January 08, 2007, 06:52:54 AM
They certainly wouldn't have faded out like Warrant or Poison did, as they were far from the cheese-glam metal that those other bands embodied.  Definintely more of a "timeless" rock, like the Stones...


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: Dead N' Bloated on January 09, 2007, 07:33:27 PM
I'm glad most of you told me how u feel about Kiss and poison LOL.


 :peace:


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: faldor on January 09, 2007, 10:21:33 PM
I think the band is still highly respected.  Maybe not at the rate of the Rolling Stones and the likes but their music stands by itself.  I went with 8 people who could care less about the NEW members of the group to the MSG show this year.  They loved the show, a few missed Slash, but they loved hearing the classic tunes anyway.  That's why the tour was successful despite no new album and only a handful of new material.  As for comparisons to Warrant and Poison, I think there's a big difference between why these bands became obsolete in the 90's.  They weren't relevant anymore.  I THINK GNR could've survived, but who knows, maybe it was time to take a break.  If The Spaghetti Incident was any indication of things to come (even though I'm in the minority of liking that compilation).   Unfortunately GNR is kind of looked at as a joke in some sense these days due to the lack of Chinese Democracy.  If it ever comes out though and is as good as what we've already heard, I think they can gain back some of that respect.  There will always be those who refuse to give any credence to the new members though, I don't think that's going away.  And for those people, there's Velvet Revolver.


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: The Legend on January 10, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
I think the band is still highly respected.? Maybe not at the rate of the Rolling Stones and the likes but their music stands by itself.? I went with 8 people who could care less about the NEW members of the group to the MSG show this year.? They loved the show, a few missed Slash, but they loved hearing the classic tunes anyway.? That's why the tour was successful despite no new album and only a handful of new material.? As for comparisons to Warrant and Poison, I think there's a big difference between why these bands became obsolete in the 90's.? They weren't relevant anymore.? I THINK GNR could've survived, but who knows, maybe it was time to take a break.? If The Spaghetti Incident was any indication of things to come (even though I'm in the minority of liking that compilation).? ?Unfortunately GNR is kind of looked at as a joke in some sense these days due to the lack of Chinese Democracy.? If it ever comes out though and is as good as what we've already heard, I think they can gain back some of that respect.? There will always be those who refuse to give any credence to the new members though, I don't think that's going away.? And for those people, there's Velvet Revolver.

TSI was simply a hate it or love it kind of album. Most people balk at cover albums anyways. I think more fans would've been interested in hearing a covers album with some of rock's classics, and GN'R doing studio cuts of songs like Jumpin' Jack Flash, Train Kept A Rollin', Whole Lotta Rosie, Salt of the Earth, Dead Flowers, and official album release of Sympathy For The Devil, Pinball Wizard, Imagine, etc.

They did a punk-covers album, and it was hit or miss. We got some great tracks out of it like Down On The Farm, Human Being, Hair of the Dog, Attitude, You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory and Black Leather.

I don't think TSI was a sign of things to come. If anything My World was a sign of things to come. Personally I think had they put out an album in say 1995, it would've very much been a new Guns N' Roses sound in the like of NIN or Rage Against The Machine.

GN'R would've survived, like their bro's Metallica did, however like with Metallica, changes were bound to happen. BOUND to happen. So all of these people that think another AFD would've been released like 1997 would've been 1987-revisted, it would've never happened.


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: faldor on January 10, 2007, 10:30:34 AM
I think the band is still highly respected.? Maybe not at the rate of the Rolling Stones and the likes but their music stands by itself.? I went with 8 people who could care less about the NEW members of the group to the MSG show this year.? They loved the show, a few missed Slash, but they loved hearing the classic tunes anyway.? That's why the tour was successful despite no new album and only a handful of new material.? As for comparisons to Warrant and Poison, I think there's a big difference between why these bands became obsolete in the 90's.? They weren't relevant anymore.? I THINK GNR could've survived, but who knows, maybe it was time to take a break.? If The Spaghetti Incident was any indication of things to come (even though I'm in the minority of liking that compilation).? ?Unfortunately GNR is kind of looked at as a joke in some sense these days due to the lack of Chinese Democracy.? If it ever comes out though and is as good as what we've already heard, I think they can gain back some of that respect.? There will always be those who refuse to give any credence to the new members though, I don't think that's going away.? And for those people, there's Velvet Revolver.

TSI was simply a hate it or love it kind of album. Most people balk at cover albums anyways. I think more fans would've been interested in hearing a covers album with some of rock's classics, and GN'R doing studio cuts of songs like Jumpin' Jack Flash, Train Kept A Rollin', Whole Lotta Rosie, Salt of the Earth, Dead Flowers, and official album release of Sympathy For The Devil, Pinball Wizard, Imagine, etc.

They did a punk-covers album, and it was hit or miss. We got some great tracks out of it like Down On The Farm, Human Being, Hair of the Dog, Attitude, You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory and Black Leather.

I don't think TSI was a sign of things to come. If anything My World was a sign of things to come. Personally I think had they put out an album in say 1995, it would've very much been a new Guns N' Roses sound in the like of NIN or Rage Against The Machine.

GN'R would've survived, like their bro's Metallica did, however like with Metallica, changes were bound to happen. BOUND to happen. So all of these people that think another AFD would've been released like 1997 would've been 1987-revisted, it would've never happened.
That's a good point with the comparison to Metallica.  They DID survive, but I don't know about you or anyone else but I think they've gone downhill since the black album.  Hardcore fans would say the black album was the start of it, I personally loved that album.  I bought Load and thought it had some good tracks but I didn't bother with Re-Load, or their cover CD.  Not a fan of the Saint Anger disc either.  Who knows what GNR would've released if the old group stayed together, if they followed Metallica's path maybe it's a good thing they broke up.  I love the newer tracks we've heard from the new band.  No offense to any hard core Metallica fans out there.  I still think they're a great band, just not a fan of their latest releases.


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: BlowUpYourVideo on January 10, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
It depends what they would have done in the time after TSI. Maybe they would have released an album that flopped or gone in a new direction that wasn't popular. Then again, maybe not. We'll never know.? :no:


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: Bodhi on January 10, 2007, 05:04:35 PM
Disappearing was a great move...it really was...there was so much negativity towards bands from the 80's back then...they could have made another Appetite for Destruction and it would have still gotten panned.....they would have been dragged through the mud with the rest of the bands, because they disappeared it gave people a break and then they realized how awesome a band they were....there is a such thing as OVER-exposure...and by the end of 1993 early 1994 I think people were sick of them, at least in my school they were...


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: The Legend on January 10, 2007, 05:06:17 PM
I think the band is still highly respected.? Maybe not at the rate of the Rolling Stones and the likes but their music stands by itself.? I went with 8 people who could care less about the NEW members of the group to the MSG show this year.? They loved the show, a few missed Slash, but they loved hearing the classic tunes anyway.? That's why the tour was successful despite no new album and only a handful of new material.? As for comparisons to Warrant and Poison, I think there's a big difference between why these bands became obsolete in the 90's.? They weren't relevant anymore.? I THINK GNR could've survived, but who knows, maybe it was time to take a break.? If The Spaghetti Incident was any indication of things to come (even though I'm in the minority of liking that compilation).? ?Unfortunately GNR is kind of looked at as a joke in some sense these days due to the lack of Chinese Democracy.? If it ever comes out though and is as good as what we've already heard, I think they can gain back some of that respect.? There will always be those who refuse to give any credence to the new members though, I don't think that's going away.? And for those people, there's Velvet Revolver.

TSI was simply a hate it or love it kind of album. Most people balk at cover albums anyways. I think more fans would've been interested in hearing a covers album with some of rock's classics, and GN'R doing studio cuts of songs like Jumpin' Jack Flash, Train Kept A Rollin', Whole Lotta Rosie, Salt of the Earth, Dead Flowers, and official album release of Sympathy For The Devil, Pinball Wizard, Imagine, etc.

They did a punk-covers album, and it was hit or miss. We got some great tracks out of it like Down On The Farm, Human Being, Hair of the Dog, Attitude, You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory and Black Leather.

I don't think TSI was a sign of things to come. If anything My World was a sign of things to come. Personally I think had they put out an album in say 1995, it would've very much been a new Guns N' Roses sound in the like of NIN or Rage Against The Machine.

GN'R would've survived, like their bro's Metallica did, however like with Metallica, changes were bound to happen. BOUND to happen. So all of these people that think another AFD would've been released like 1997 would've been 1987-revisted, it would've never happened.
That's a good point with the comparison to Metallica.? They DID survive, but I don't know about you or anyone else but I think they've gone downhill since the black album.? Hardcore fans would say the black album was the start of it, I personally loved that album.? I bought Load and thought it had some good tracks but I didn't bother with Re-Load, or their cover CD.? Not a fan of the Saint Anger disc either.? Who knows what GNR would've released if the old group stayed together, if they followed Metallica's path maybe it's a good thing they broke up.? I love the newer tracks we've heard from the new band.? No offense to any hard core Metallica fans out there.? I still think they're a great band, just not a fan of their latest releases.

Be careful... the off-topic police might be lurking.

I personally think Metallica went downhill after the Black album. But keep in mind, they lost old fans, but gained new ones with the Black album, Load & Re-Load. If anything, it was the lawsuit against their own fans that really hurt Metallica. It was a ballsy thing to do, but I still think that is the most definitive sign of selling out. When a group like Metallica becomes apart of 'the man', they've lost their spirit.

Disappearing was a great move...it really was...there was so much negativity towards bands from the 80's back then...they could have made another Appetite for Destruction and it would have still gotten panned.....they would have been dragged through the mud with the rest of the bands, because they disappeared it gave people a break and then they realized how awesome a band they were....there is a such thing as OVER-exposure...and by the end of 1993 early 1994 I think people were sick of them, at least in my school they were...

I agree. Alot of the reason there's so much mystery around Axl Rose and the goings on with Guns N' Roses, because at the height of their popularity, 1993, they simply just... vanished. He basically walked away when he was on top. That puzzled EVERYONE.


Title: Re: If the Band...
Post by: novemberparadise23 on January 10, 2007, 08:35:36 PM
i would put the guns n roses in the lines of aerosmith, rolling stones and acdc

just my opinion though