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I don't think that this album is going to sell nearly as much as their other albums in the US, the anticipation just isn't there amongst the general public and the music scene is so much different than the last time Guns N Roses had an album come out.  But GnR is still huge worldwide.  I think it'll sell about 2-3 million in the US with an additional 7-8 million worldwide.  Not shabby at all but not what they used to sell.  Out of the new songs they've played so far The Blues has hit written all over it but it's not a Sweet Child O' Mine, Don't Cry, November Rain type of hit. 

3-5 million in the usa about 10m world wide.

depends, if it is a good to great album with 3 or 4 kick ass singles 2 to 3 million in the US 8-10 worldwide

if its a classic album that transcends and really crosses over maybe 4-5 to million in the US and 10 -12 worldwide

it will definitely turn a profit i can almost guarantee that much!

Id say if it sells more thn 2million in the States, it can be considered a success - upwards of that a big success. I think it will sell very well in Europe and other markets as well, likely due to the name GN'R and peoples perceived notions of what that name represents

US:sells close close to 1mil first week or so, then dosen't sell as much after that, but sells steady, comming to a US total of around 4mil.
Worldwide:sells better than US, selling 8-10mil.

either way its really going to depend on good singles, and promotion

You guys are so negative...

83 millions of copies in the US...


and 248 millions world wide ! :rofl:

I think if VR can land about 2 million off Contraband... Chinese Democracy could maybe reach 4-5 million, if it's as good as it's *supposed* to be.

Will sell a couple of million just from curiosity. Should the singles are good and the promotions/reviews are good.. over 6 million worldwide I'd say.

0 copies ... because it would have to be released in order to sell any copies  ;)

in first 3-4 wekks about milion in usa,after madagascar singl 10 milion in next couple months in usa.

Maybe,new gnr cd will be killer album

IMO it will sell 2-3 million copies in the US and about 10 million copies worldwide.I wonder how many copies of CD sould be sold so that geffen makes a profit out of it(since they have invested 10+ million dollars in it and they will spend even more when CD is out in order to promote it... )???

The "greatest hits" album is selling very well: 8 month after its released, it has already sold over 6.5 million copies worldwide (1.2 million in the US), so in march 2005 (wich would mean 1 year after its released date), it will probably be around 8 million copies worldwide and 1.5 million in the US. Not bad for just a greatest hits!
Don't forget it sells way better worldwide than just in the US, don't forget that the album went to #1 in the UK (the 1st time since 1991) and many european countries and in south america (#1 in Ireland during 6 weeks for exemple). don't forget the promotion wasnt that big, and that there was no single, no videoclip, not tour, almost no real big promotion.

So for "chinese democracy": with a killer first single wich could appeal to everyone (like "the blues", the FIRST IMPRESSION is very important, the blues could have a phenomenal impact in its studio version), with a videoclip on MTV, then with 2 or 3 others as good singles with videoclips on MTV (Madagascar etc...), with a Tour and a huge promotion like Eminem or Beyonce or just like during the Illusion Days where GN'R was everywhere, it could sell over 15 million copies worldwide (5 million in the US).

"The Eminem show" sold over 17 million copies worldwide in 2002. "Chinese Democracy" can be even bigger if the album is really great. People are hungry for Rock Music.

if CD is ever released, thats a big if, I think CD could go 2 to 3 times platinum in the US and sell anywhere from 7 to 9 million units in the rest of the world, the succes of this album is totally goiong to depend on the strength of the material

10 Mill world wide!!!

I have just re-listened to the small studio extract of "the blues" (boston promo). The production really seems huge. if it is ever released as a single, the record sales could totally exploded...

It's likely that it sells more than GH, so we'll see
I heard the old newsongs not endng up as singles, maybe not on cd (axl in  London02)

axl said that the songs they play (The Blues,Madagascar,....) wont be released as singles, so i hope we`ll see even better stuff like these as singles.

One wonders if u have nothing positive to say about the album, who post at all?

The anticipation isn't there?!? O K then *backing away slowly*

I'll say it will open with a sale week of 400,000 and it will go platinum 3-4 times in the usa.. I know it will be number one everywhere but it will be on n the charts longer outside of the states...

It also dpends on how it's released ,the time period before it comes out to give the sleeping fans a heads up.. Solid single and a video a few weeks before the release and some interviews, [possibly closing or performing at a big music show..

It has the chance to do better then I mentioned above, it's just all how it's brought to the world..

The anticipation compared to say the Illusions albums doesn't exist.  It will still sell well, just not as well as AFD and the UYI albums

I would agree with that in that record stores won't be opening up at Midnight to sell CD. Anticipation is higher among the fan base, but in the musical landscape as a whole it is not what it was when the Illusions came out.

A quick note about Greastest Hits as well. I think the reason that has consistently sold so well on top of the fact people love the old GNR songs is that it sells for like 8 bucks. I see the thing for like 7,8.99 every where I go. A fringe fan is more willing to spend 8 bucks on an album they know alot of the songs on than they are for a 15-17 dollar CD they aren't sure about. So in that regard I don't use the old GNR greatest hits as a barometer for a new band's album will sell.

I predict it moves between 450 and 550 thousand copies first week, and will fall off after that like VR did. As a band even though the music may be better, they will have the same problem getting to the masses that VR does as no matter how good CD is MTV doesn't play music videos anymore and Kiss FM won't play a hardrock act like GNR. They will do well within the Mainstream and Modern rock formats like VR, but top 40 hits will be hard to come by. I also think they will have fantastic over-seas sales which will make the record company their money back on the album. US sales won't be what they should be considering it cost 13 million dollars for the project.

 

US: first week 200000, first month 300000. After  a year 1 million

I think after the first week Chinese Democracy will sell 300- 450 thousand units, word of mouth may be able to carry this album further though. Depending on the strength of the first single and how the public percieves this album, it may do very well. If the public looks at what Axl has to offer as new and imaginitive and not something way out in left field, the album can build momentum. I know when reading the reviews for Contraband, there were always remarks towards the fact that it was a return to the "Guns N' Roses/Hard Rock In General" sound. I think from what I have heard of Chinese Democracy, Axl doesn't want to tread on old ground, but move forward in a musical sense. If fans and the public are willing to hear this sound even though the name "Guns N' Roses" is tied to the album and not have a bias opinion because of that name, Chinese Democracy could become a landmark album for 2005.

As for Chinese Democracy equalling the anticipation of the Illusion albums, I truthfully believe not many albums generally have that kind of buzz anymore. Jay Z's Black Album sold 400-450 thousand units in its first week even with the hype of Jay Z's retirement and the anticipation behind Eminem's Encore album was mostly built around controversy, many fans think the album is pretty bad music wise. So an album built solely upon anticipation for the music (Metallica's Black Album, Gn'R's Illusion Albums) is pretty rare. I mean Usher's Confessions albums built momentum and word of mouth carried the sales, not necesarily the buzz or anticipation beforehand.

That's my opinion anyways

I think 4 or 5 millions. I think it's goin' to do good due to all the time we've been waiting for an album and because it's goin to have the Guns n' roses name on it

come on what do you think?

Maybe 200K in the first week.. Maybe.

it should do as well or better than vr's "contraband" imo   : ok:

I'm counting down the seconds its going to take before this gets moved to Dead Horse..

at this point, isn't just about every post a dead horse topic?

how many times can you talk about the same fucking thing

It'll sell way more then that in the first week because of curiosity alone.

I doubt that. Thats basically the average for rock bands with selling power now a days. Maybe 300K but I wouldnt bet on it.. A lot of people dislike this version and Axl Rose. Plus its not a record buying market anymore.. It will be downloaded as soon as it arrives..

how do you know this?!

1 to 2 mil. most of the built in GnR adience has long given up on Axl. 10 or even 5 years ago it would have sold 5 to7 mil. He may have just waited too long for anyone other then message board whores(relax I'm including myself here ;D) to really give a shit

about 500,000 copies the first yr.   1.5 million in 2 yrs of release.   People hate this new band with a passion.  i think people are going to refuse to give Axl their money  and just download it off the net . They blame him for GNR's demise  and that will never change  no matter how good this album is.   I am going to buy the album  and if it's good I really don't care if it goes platinum or not . 

200k in the first week...and thats just members of this forum  :hihi:

On a slightly diffrent topic, having heard the diffrent versions of IRS and TWAT, I'd quite happily buy 2-3 diffrent copies of the same album, with diffrent mixes of the same songs

its gonna get to number 1 in at least 11 countries..... ;D     i dont know how many copies that would be but its a good start

It sell around the same as "Contraband" which is pretty decent.

I'm sure someone in the area can tell you better than I can but South America still love Axl a lot just watch RIR3, I don't know if that's a big market or not tbh but GNR is still a huge name there and they seem willing to accept the new band so sales there may be big.

Overall it really depends on the quality of the album, some may buy out of curiosity but most will wait for critics reviews, if Axl produces an album the critics think is worthy of the GNR name then the album could go places, otherwise it could nose dive very fast.

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safe to say to it will go platnium!

being it'll be labeled as first new gnr music in 15 years it'll get the dead fans out there too.. I say it open at about 3-4k finish about 3 million

Now how good the music is compared to how the past helps it sell is another factor..

That is utter nonsense. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Your yearly sales figure will likely be surpassed the first day of release. This album is mythical. People have waited for a new GNR album since 1993. Its not going to take a year for 500,000 people to buy it. ::) You have the hardcore fans, all the casual GNR fans over the years, and all the people who are just curious about what its like. It will sell at least a million its first couple days of release. you mean YOU hate them with a passion.

Hahaha not it won't.
Has there ever been an album to go platnium within two days?

I doubt it.
GN'R should be aiming at number a bit higher then what Contraband got.

I don't hate this band. ?I just think ?the least amount of expectations ?we put on ?this album ?the less ?we will be disappointed. ?I hear some ?people saying that this album will sell 5 million or more , that is just ridiculous . ?

Seeing as how GH sold several million, I'd say about ten million.

....... BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.

Ha...ha... wow. Wow. ha.

 :no:

Ok, I don't think so. He may have lots fans, but they'll probably be gained right back if they like the music, plus the tons of teens that have never heard of them will probably like them.

 :o Umm... probably not. Unless you mean over like 30 years...

It will sell well initially due to hype/myth but then will level out. Obviously, this all depends on the music as well.

If the music is on par with the leaks or better than them, I'd say they will sell well.

If it's good, I think it could easily do ten million worldwide. With three to four million in the US.

I have to agree ?:hihi:

GnR were at the hight of their popularity during the Illusion albums release. And after combined sales of both albums and touring for nearly 3 years, they just pushed passed 30 million, and that was 15 million for one Illusion and 15 million for the other.

And you really think now in the year 2006 (if it is released) that it's going to sell 10 million copies, ain't going to happen at all imo.

10 mil. is not what it used to be, check out all the crap that sells 5-6 million. Most good albums sell 10 mil now in two years.

Let me hear it first and then I'll give you my answer. I would say 3-4 million based off what we've heard so far.

Actually, a long term goal of 5 million isn't too ridiculous, although I wouldnt bet money on that figure. I believe that most of this album's sales will occur in the first week of its release, and sales will quickly decline. Unless of course there are a few big hits on the album. But even that is no guarantee of huge long term sales. Look at U2 as an example. Vertigo was a huge craze. Even babies and grandmas were rocking out to it. That album only sold a few million. But the curiousity factor of Chinese Democracy guarantees huge first week sales.

Do you think "Chinese Democracy" will get on this list...?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0151020.html

Go Eagles!  :beer:

It only sold a few million, because there was Vertigo and like 15 other filler songs.

the last rock record to sell 10 000 000 was Nirvana's "Nevermind" and that took quite a long time.
It took Appitite 'till like what... 1999(?) to achive that. It is not happening. There is no possible way in hell it could happen.

CD sales haven't gone up, they've plummeted since downloading started.

 :rofl: Ha.... Ten million... Haha. :rofl:

Come On Over, Shania Twain (Mercury Nashville)
 20 million!!!!!

speachless!!!!! :o

if linkin park could sell 10 millions, then i guess Chinese Democracy could sell 15  : ok:

Yeah, I think Guns can match the Dixie Chicks. :)
For some reason people always have a tendancy to think that things that were successful in the past are going to flop now. Everybody said people would watch star wars ep1 the first weekend out of curiosity and then it wouldn't do anything. It went on to be the number 2 movie of all time. If this cd is at all good, it's going to be huge. Better and The Blues alone will push it to five million.

God, you guys are so naive.

4 million is a very VERY genrous figure.

Those records are for the U.S. alone. World numbers are quite a bit higher. Appetite hit ten million a looong time ago.

I just worked it out.

6 billion people on the planet. Eagles sold 30 mil.

That means 0.5% of the world population owns that Eagles record.  :peace:

Now figure in all the people that bought and wore out 5 LPs, then 5 tapes, and then bought 2 CDs.

I have to agree ?:hihi:

GnR were at the hight of their popularity during the Illusion albums release. And after combined sales of both albums and touring for nearly 3 years, they just pushed passed 30 million, and that was 15 million for one Illusion and 15 million for the other.

And you really think now in the year 2006 (if it is released) that it's going to sell 10 million copies, ain't going to happen at all imo.

30 million copies?  Are you on another planet?  neither sold 15 million,  that would be more than AFD,   where are those numbers coming from?

It may be 15 million combined,  not each

Use Your Illusion volume I & II, sold 2 million copies the first week the albums were out. Volume II totally sold 7 million copies in USA, and probably a bit more than 15 million copies totally.

Also there is a interview with Matt talkin in about 1999, where he says the band hit 32 Million sales worldwide and Axl wanted to try and push it to 35 but they couldn't go on.

If they really promote this album a month before it comes out and put out a killer single that people really enjoy before it comes out, I could easily see it doing around 600k.  Think Im crazy?  Nope... it'll be promoted as the first GNR album in forever, there seems to be a genuine interest in GNR in 2006 for some strange reason, and a great song is a great song that can only lead to success.  It's not so far fetched to hit 600k.

In the US, I see it doing 3.5 mil. Over seas...who knows. But I know I will be buying at least four of those puppies.

i think it will sell better than greatest hits and contraband.  i see it selling around 5 million which would be a smashing success in this day and age.

i know there was talk of that but i am with jamesloften29 when he said that axl should put all the biggest guns on one lp and tour the piss out of it through 2007. i also think a reunion would be the smartest choice after chinese democracy but who knows.  ???

If I had to give a figure it would be around 2-3 mill in the US. But Worldwide is a whole different total.

It is a fact that a lot of people hate the New Lineup for some reason.  Maybe it is because it is real music and nothing like the stuff they hear on the radio now.

Maybe it's because there imposters. : ok:

Id say it can be considered a big success if it hits 2 mill in the US and a huge success if it hits 3 mill

any more than that and i'll be very surprised especially given the nature of the material we've heard so far and Axls description that it is 'complex'

Make that 32 million in the US alone.... its around the 80 millionish range worldwide.  AFD has sold around 15 million alone in the US, add that to 2-3 million for Lies, about 15 for UYI, and 2 million for Spaghetti and Live Era combined.  Plus, these are old numbers.  I think AFD is around 18-19 million now.

If this was the old lineup  then that would be a totally different story, but this is the new lineup and not many people have warmed up to them . So I think if they sold 100,000 worldwide  it wouldn't surprise me.

Thats just way too pessimistic.  I say that in the US, it sells no less than 2 million and no more than 4 million.  We already know this album has 2 good singles, Better and The Blues.  That and curiousity should sell this album.

K thats way too low.
100,000 is less then Snakepit.

Now, i dont know numbers records usually get but i can say this... Chinese Democracy is going to be huge..and 15 years after it is out..it willl have sold more than AFD, i can almost guarentee this people, i am a physcic.. though it wouldnt take a physcic to realize this.

we'll have to wait and see..

the day CD is released, will be the second happiest moment of my 15 year life.
 8)

It will be bigger than skeptics think, but smaller than us fans hope.

There are a lot of dormant GnR fans of old out there who will pick it up I think. That is contigent on a decent advertising campaign though.

There's a lot of dormant rock fans out there too who may not have bought a CD in years.  Chinese Democracy has the potential to catch those people and make them say, "hey, this could be interesting."

To not get a figure of at least 2 million, Axl would have to fuck something up royally.  The man has never put out subpar original product before, no reason to now.

I dont think it will even require alot of advertising. The release date announcement itself will cause major media attention. I think CD is the perfect example of an album that can sell itself.

Agree with you there - when this comes out it will be mentioned in news bulletins and stuff. But everything helps.

It will sell a bit more than Contraband, because of the name "GNR"...

3-4 million, 5 at most. It's an incredibly different musical climate out there right now, but with strong singles and the right promotion, I think 3-4mil is very likely.


If Contraband can manage 2 million, then judging by what we've heard, CD should have no problem exceeding that album's sales.

My prediction from a few years ago stands for the most part.  I'd up the US sales though, I think it sells at least 3 million in the US.  The Blues is still a big hit song, Better is a hit too, and who knows what else they have up their sleeves

I think it goes without saying there are all number of factors to take into consideration when attempting to predict how well Chinese Democracy will sell. Since Chinese Democracy has the name Guns & Roses attached to it, that in itself should help it sell a few million copies.

At the present moment in time only Guns & Roses fans will know about the album, have an interest and probably buy a copy. Although thanks to the internet, I should imagine for the first time ever Guns & Roses are faced with the threat of mass downloading, especially in poorer countries.

The biggest hope for Chinese Democracy is for the album to be genuinely great and open up the flood gates for a whole new wave of  followers. If this happens then sales of  their previous albums should also pick up.

Was the most happy moment when you first realised it's not just for pissing?

It  will sell more than Contraband because it won't just be AFD with a crappy frontman

Axl isn't crappy.

That,       i believe is a dig at Scott Weiland.

I'd say around 200,000 first week. If it doesnt leak it will do better, but that isnt going to happen, it WILL leak, and all those "curious" semi-fans will just download it. Sad as it is. This will be a holy grail for internet pirate album release groups.

Indeed  ;D

the album will probably sell several million copies worldwide, even if it doesn't do well in the states.

internationally, people seem to be a lot more enthusiastic about iconic musicians, regardless of the aesthetic content of that musician's new product. (that's not saying anything about whether or not CD is great or not, many people will buy it no matter what, like me for instance)

for example, michael jackson can't even book a tour in the USA anymore, and his last few albums have been what can arguably be considered worthless shit, but he still sells millions of records and concert tickets.

Scott isn't crappy either. Contraband is great. If CD is as good as Contraband I will be satisfied, but it won't be easy. :)

ok first off, your right about Scott is not crappy but Axl has proven he is much better. Contraband is not GREAT, it is just ok, nothing special. And all Axl has to do is put the 4 leaks on CD and it will already be a better album than Contraband. thats my take.

never under estimate the power of axl rose- i think it will sell 10 million or more in usa. worldwide i dont have a guess probably a hell of a lot.

The funny thing with people like you is that when a newspaper says something wrong about Axl, you'll spend all your energy in undermining the credibility of that newspaper, and even of journalists in general.

But when another journalist says something nice, it becomes the only acceptable truth, those nice words are quoted 1000 times, people adopt them as their signature... ::)

The demos are OK, but saying they are better than Contraband is very exaggerated, and probably meant to get an interview or something...

Link?  :P

Oh jesus, not the boston promo again. Whatever it is you people think you are hearing in the roughly 1.5 second snippets of "new" material, I'd love to know. Or I'd at least like some of whatever you are smoking. There is nothing, I repeat nothing objective to be gained about Chinese Democracy from that promo. You are just drinking the kool aid.

Oh, and CD will do around 1 to 1.5 million, maybe 2 if a single catches on in the first year.

                   Its gonna be interesting to see Greatest Hits #2 does when its released June 6th. Also take into account a lot of the big bands have released thier albums early so G'n'R's could be the most awaited album of the fall.

                    The work behind making the albumk sell must be " Touring , hit single and advertising ". When Greatest Hits #1 was released it had a commercial that advertised it well on cable/TV.

                     If the album comes out in October I'd say: Line up appearances on David Letterman , Saturday Night Live , and MTV. Have a scheduled " Making the Video " documentry with Rose and band sharing thoughts on album for MTV. Have them host Headbangers Ball on MTV 2 to promote single/album/Tour.

                        The hype is already behind Guns n Roses. Thier playing hot sold out shows , kickin ass and all they need is the single/tour and futher drive to sell it. With a good approach they could move at least 600,000 copies thier 1st week of release .
 
                     

I don't think contraband that bad. I enjoyed it for a few weeks.

However we don't need the Rolling Stone to tell that they are already better than whatever. :smoking:
Just open your ears and heart.

IRS, for instance, alone will represent the pinnacle of hard rock music.

I'm not very interested in sales figures. Ideally it will sale so so in the first week, which should be ok, considering and keep selling and in the long run it will become a monumental record. And the succeeding albums will do the same.


that's about it, I think.  : ok: well unsure about the coherent bit.


Some people and some fans may be hating this band with passion but they are rather in the minority.

Not even the Illusions sold that many copies.  But I do think CD will sell between 500,000 and 750,000 copies the first week and around 3 million US, 10 million worldwide within a few years of its release

Assuming it is released and the euro tour doesn't implode-that's a good ballpark Shotgun. I agree. At least 500,000 the first week-about 3 million after a year and a half or so. Could reach 4 million if he can string 3 quality singles together. :beer:

I have high hopes for my man. lol

High hope's set you up for dissapointment.

11,257,047

bank on it

Low hopes set you up for disbelief.

Really?  Hmmm.  Where'd he say that ?

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even if they released just 1 copy, it would sell more then it already has

3-4 Million US...but like over a year or two to get there & about 2-3 Million For the rest of the world.

Well, figure that Velvet Revolver, which doesn't have the GNR name or the quality, sold about 3 million copy or so.

You would have to figure that the band with the name,more hype,more money put into the album,higher quality music, and with the main mind of the original band that they would sell at least around 4 million. Geffen is not gonna let the album fail. They've waited long enough.

I wanted to make sure I read this whole thread before making a post, that being said, I think  many people including myself are goin to be totally mindboggled at how succesful this album really will be.

And I want to point to other discussions over the years concerning this. (and Im not tryng to accesss old thread but jsut recap from memorie things I remember)

    There was discusion concerning "promotion ", and  how to regain the american audience after 2002 fiaso

 many points were brought up, one of which was tour europe first. Well in a sencce thats what is happening.BUT!!!!!!!!!

TO our  colective surpirse, myself included , they decided to throw 4 !!!! Warm up shows here in the US in NYC!. NOw follow me here, what that estentially did and rather in great way, was remind THE US of GNR(and as much as I wished GH wasnt, and Axl and the old band fought it) frankly it turned out to be something  of a gift.

GH closing in on 4 mil now. Has anyone check billboard, this album as it stands as far as I know is one of the longest to stay in billboards top 200, Pink Floyds Dark Side of the Moon holds that distinction with being in the chart for something like 16yrs! OK I just checked GNR , GH's is at # 75 http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+200&pageNumber=Top+51-100&g=Albums and 114 week, over 2 yrs. NOw put some perspective on this, alot of people already know now that this is a whole new line up, hell the MTV gen know, and the people are getting this  are new fans of NEW GNR , but want to know the old stuff . Its not your over 35 crowd , driving the sales I can guarenfuckintee that!

So another thing of interest, how many of you subscribe to say Google alerts for GNR. I have been inundated with items for all over including the US. So again follow me and my logic, and the first thing I pointed out about GNR doin 4 shows in NY, what that did not only became just a New York thing, but look now you have the rolling stone review (and very complimentary, you have even news outlets as CNN, and Fox news that reported on the goin ons.(older fans who may have forgot those times of debautary) And then you had Tommy Hillfiger, and Axl in bar brawl. Now this i stuff that has reached even the smallest midwest towns where they crave celebrity knowlege , People magazine. And then you had AOL!, you know how many fucking people are surbcribed to that, and bet your ass, there were a few million kids in the heartland, claiming to be tired and were just gonna retire to bed that night, just so they could see Axl Rose and what this GNR is all about.

So, with all thing s considered, and the fact that the man himself said CD WILL be out this YR, and as far as I can see GNR are storming Europe and taking names, as they stormed Hammerstein a few weeks back, little by little , and the internet I suspect Axl sees now isnt really a garbage can anymore. Honestly I dont even want to wager a guess on how well CD will do.

BUT with all I just mentioned and I was there when Illusions came out, (well I had it 2 weeks before the actual release, :hihi:.

So long as things keep rolling  well and naysayers keep get shut down, fuck, how many already crawled away because all these shows have happned!. BUt no doubt they lurch and sit there waiting to pounce on anything they can to say , YES I WIN< HAHAHA, GNR ARE NOTHING!.lol :rofl: BUT thing is I see way to many gulloms in the future!!!!!!!! :peace: :beer:


So again, IM excited and frightened by how well this album will do, and if you think otherwise, jsut remeber what happens to bitter , poisoned people. :yes:

Ill throw my estimate,  , 1 million plus first week  US, where it ends, MUSIC will ahve to do the talking!  : ok: :peace:

Great post, jaz. I think you had some good points there.

I think hes indeed making a comeback to the media too, and that says a lot.

No way, that is so far from realiity is scary, NO band/artist could do that in this day and age.

that's just not going to happen - sorry.

If it were 1994 perhaps, but not with this lineup and not in this age of consumer behaviour and DLing etc..

My guess for first week US sales? 200- 300K debuting at #1 then dropping the next week to 3 then it will depend totally on the quality of the album and how well it's marketed/toured behind

I think it will do over 500,000 it's 1st week. For the U.S. it will do over 5 million and World wide over 10 million.

I think 2-3 million in the US.

Definately no less than 650,000 copies sold in the album's first week out...

3.5 - 4 million copies sold in North America alone by at least the album's first whole year on store shelves... : ok:

i tjink in usa 5-7 million copies

yea... i'd say about 3 million copies in the first year... 5-7 million copies within 3 or 4 years (within the U.S.A.)

around 10 million worldwide. But if Slash was still there, probably around 20 million copies.

I hope it sells really well, Im guessing there will be an initial rush for everyone to buy it, but then level off.  I think what will make the difference in the US will be the haters and old fans coming around and seeing that the music is awesome in a different way.  Just wondering ... if they plan on releasing another album a year, year and a half after CD, how would that affect CD sales in the long haul?

I'd say 3-5 million depending on word of mouth

I'd say about 1 to 1.5 million US.  A whole lot more though worldwide.  Most people here in the US are still very bitter about the breakup of the old group.

Thorazine, it will sell at least as much as Velvet and will be platinum within a month. First week sales should at least match Tool's 550,000 as well. Curiousity alone will push the record over 2 million(US) within a year or so . Hard to tell where it will go after that. ???

so whydid slash snakepit and vrevolver don't sell 20 milions
I emailed billboard about great selling of ghits (more than 3 milions copyin usa),and said theydidn't remember whensome albumtake soo many weeks on chart

That's a possibility.  But if Axl pulls this attitude of showing up late to shows and not allowing the press to interview him enough then I can't see an opening week of over 250k.  US fans are very unforgiving.  Still, 250k is very impressive in one week.

Us fans are unforgiving???
Well,i would buy new album to hear a good music,not for better selling!!!
So i don't understand youre point

US=United States.

i know that,but i want to tell that you would buy new album because it have a good music,so whetever if you are mad on axl or not you should buy ticket

I watched gnr in budapest,driving 7 hours from belgrade,and axl was lating and show started at 11.45,but who care i had a great time

sorry for bad english

I have over 1800 posts on a GNR board, I think that qualifies me as a fan of GNR don't you think? :P

I'm referring to the average U.S. fan.? that doesn't know much about the new band, or who remembers the old band fondly.  Anyone here will tell you I'm a fan of GNR.

I know you're a big gnr fan,as many people here...

Sorry, but you didn't understand my point,because ,my english sucks

btw you have much much posts then me and you're living in us,so your opinion are more valid then mine

I made prediction about billboard list

He's been a cool guy so far. 8)

Not only does GNR have loyal fans like tool does, but there are old fans and new fans that will be curious to buy.  Multiple generations here are interested.  Optimistically the comeback could be somewhat similar to Aerosmith's back in the day.

I say at least 3 million in the U.S, worldwide I have no idea.

If it doesn't outsell contraband in the u.s I think it will considered a failure by many. Personally I don't give a flying fuck... I just want new music.

CD won't outsell Contraband. For one, VR had the hype machine on overdrive before they released the album. They wre everywhere, and on two soundtracks.

I feel like CD will be far too complex for most people to really grasp on to, and sales will probably reflect that. Seriously, expecting more than a couple million in the first year is probably wishing for the stars.

I think CD will sell better in Europe / Japan than here in the states as there will be the benefit of a full slate of concert dates rather than 4 shows in NYC, as good as they were.  Perhaps if they were to release a single in the summer that may help wet people's appetite hear in the states

It all depends on how they go about promoting Chinese Democracy.. obviously us hardcore GNR fans will go pick it up when it comes out but all the skeptical fans who dislike this new GNR won't want to give it a chance. As many people have speculated they could play at the VMA's in August, play a few of the new songs and maybe announce the release date of CD(if they hadn't by then already)

IMO it will sell pretty well when it first comes out, and as they tour the country and play more shows to get exposure and show how great the music is more and more people will go pick the CD up... this is probably one of the more anticipated albums ever and i'm sure the sales will prove that :yes:

itll sell a few copies, its the most anticipated album yet to be released!!

i think itl sell around 8 million worldwide

I think you people are nuts with some of these numbers...

I think it will sell better then AFD  :peace:

its a hard question.... i think it will sell alot more than contraband did ..., Specially here in Europe...most of the shows here are sold out ... they play 2 dates on the same venue ..... and i think many people that arent guns fans also will by it becuse to see how it sounds like ...

Now i do realize that the music world changes often, but i was just looking at some first week album sales.  Red Hot Chili Peppers Stadium Arcadium, something over 400,000 units sold in the first week.  Thats pretty good, but then i remembered hearing this insane amount of albums sold by this other crappy artist and just checked it out.  Usher r&b artist sold over 1 million in the first week, and one of eminems albums sold nearly 2 million in its first week.  I know that was in their heyday and probably wont sell even half as much on any of their future albums but still.  Any rock album released has a huge disadvantage with todays market and listeners.  How do you think Chinese Democracy will sell in the first week? 

I am hoping for them beating the Chili Peppers but i honestly dont know at this point.  If they get alot of advertising which they probably will soon hopefully, maybe even more.  I know i would be very very happy with something like 700,000 units sold in first week but thats wishful thinking.

I would say somewhere between 300K and 800K. But they need to release a single first.
Outside USA, based on the Greatest Hits sales, I think ChiDEm will be very successfull, especially in the UK and in Northern European countries.
The most important will be the music though. If it's great, it could stay on the Charts for a long, long time (like the GH) but if it's not, it will probably fade away and deseapear quickly like Contraband.

I think the name and the buzz are good for 'round 350.000 in the states alone. Anything above that will depent on the succes of the first single. If that is a smash hit than 700K or 800K is possible.

If they are aiming for a late november release, then a single has to surface within the next few weeks. You better damn well believe that the record company will do anything to boost record sales so what do we have right now....

- The band has a few weeks off, so my guess is they are probably rehearsing new tunes (the single) and shooting a video.
- The record company wants to profite from christmas and thanksgiving sales to the max, you don't have to be a genuis to figure that out. So the album has to come out 'round the 21st of nov at the latest, that leaves us with 5 or 6 weeks and that is bassically the remaining time for a single to create the buzz, and getting everybody ready and warmed up for the album.

I'm going to say between 300K-400K for the US. I think regardless of if a single is put out before the album release, the fans with buy the CD first, and the skeptics will wait to hear it from them on whether or not it's any good.

If GNR sells as much as RHCP do these days then maybe Axl will be satisfied

what do you think??? I think it will go platinum fairly quickly, maybe within 2 weeks...

yea probably alot , but even more torrents will be downloaded.

It'll be a moderate success.  I think it'll most likely be like The Fragile by Nine Inch Nails... go straight to number one the first week, but disappear without a trace the second.  It'll no doubt be an amazing album... but I can't think of many people outside of the internet that will be buying it.

I know I?m talking from Captain Obvious? position but this is something impossible to know untill the record is out. I think it has more to do with our wishes for GNR/Axl to succeed :love: with this record.

I aggree with mrredfield... it will probably debut huge and then fall off the charts

2 copies

 can sell 5 million of what really amounts to only a solid and respectable rock album, the upside for Chinese Democracy, in my opinion, is huge.  When consideration is given to the fact that an entire new generation will be exposed to the GNR, in addition to all the existent fans, this may just really be something bigger than any of us have anticipated. 

Who the fuck on here finds anything by Nickelback "solid and respectable"? Nickelback plays to all those puss-ass Wal-Mart-Rockers. GN'R don't want or need that. Chinese Democracy will reign supreme over such tepid crap.

Nickelback has had years of supposedly good albums to build up a reputation. GN'R doesn't. Besides, what does Nicke;back's sales mean to CD anyway? Another competitor, maybe, but not a gage. I see CD making 2-3 mil.

If Nickelsuck can sell that much, GNR should do 8 easily.

Yep. Regardless of people's opinions of the music, they're already a proven brand-name.

The following article from Variety should persuade others that "CD" shouldn't be judged as a failure by the number of units sold. Those that want? 4, 5, 10 million units, should sober up after reading this article. It just isn't realistic.


If you are interested read the rest here: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117956655.html?categoryid=16&cs=1

The music industry has changed since 1991. Judge the music. That's all that really matters. Forget album sales.

even if CD sells badly doesnt make it a bad record either..

Thanks for posting this, Yeah regardless what happens CD is ultimately going to be judged on how much it sells because, hell if I had been funding Axl all these years, wouldn't you want to see it sell good? but I think that none of us hardcore gunners will regard it in that fashion, it should to us be and is the pride symbol of achievement and satisfaction as fans of guns n' roses, this album, my friends symbolizes much more than sales or the bottom dollar but the re-emergence of one of if not the greatest rock band in the past 15 years into the public musical relm.

Yeah, but it might hurt chances for more albums.

Well, one things for certain, it will make the record company hesitate to pay that much money for any future GNR projects.

Well i'm sure, with the lineup of guys they've got now, as long as they've got the inspiration, they'll be putting out albums, even if Axl solely has to produce them, and they are released independently.

But the $13+mil for CD, really is the last of it's breed. At a time, record companies were willing to sink whatever it took to get a potentially successful album out. But with the advent of computers, and the technology that can be found in the simplest laptop, record companies make it on the cheap now, and that's the way it's gonna stay. CD will make it's money back over and over, guaranteed, but i'm sure the record company would've much rather had it been a $3mil pricetag, instead of $13mil.

Most people like the old band right,how bout a quote by an old member...Duff once talked about how people made such a big deal about record sales and didnt take the time to look at the music behind it n went  on to say that most of his favorite albums only sold 10 k copies.

   I think it'll probably be a good album regardless of what the media n naysayers might say.

     Peace,Love,Guns N' Roses

That's exactly right. Usually the best acts are the underground ones. Mainsteam success doesn't always = good. Guys like Guns N' Roses are the rare exception.

   

  haha thats right man.I don't know about anybody else,but i normally prefer to listen to their songs that wern't huge hits,cause huge hits get played out n become boring..a couple of my favorite GN'R songs are get in the ring,back off bitch and dont damn me...because they're more fesh than tracks like paradise city that were big n everybody who likes gnr listens to.


  Who cares really how much it sells..as long as the musics good,..thats all that matters  :)


    Peace,Love,Guns N' Roses

Look at 'Coma'. One of the best, if not THE best GN'R song ever made, and it wasn't a radio single or a video.

That's why, with bands like this, a GH collection will look entirely different made by a diehard fan vs. a casual fan.