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They fucking left GN'R out!

Bullshit crappy bands that WERE included:

W.A.S.P., Poison, Ratt, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, Skid Row, Quiet Riot, hell KISS sucks too!

I'm sure some would disagree with me on the likes of KISS and Def Leppard, but I don't consider either of them to be metal and NONE of the above mentioned bands are real metal at all. GN'R wasn't either, but their music was heavier AND better than crap like the above mentioned bands. The only one I agreed with on the list was Metallica at #1. They put AC/DC on there. I love AC/DC, but they are hard rock (even moreso than GN'R) and NOT metal. If you include AC/DC, then you MUST include the likes of Led Zeppelin (which they did not).

i don't consider gnr metal i consider them hard rock so im not pissed about this

Do you consider AC/DC metal? LMFAO if you do. Their excuse for putting AC/DC in there was that they had one of the top 5 selling metal albums ever. If we're basing this on album sales, then GN'R should EASILY be in the top 5 on any list about hard rock/metal. Quiet Riot? One hit wonder. Ratt? One hit wonder. Skid Row? POP metal crap. Poison? POP metal crap. Motley Crue? Posers. W.A.S.P.? Posers. The only real metal bands they had on the list were Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer. The rest were either good bands but not metal (AC/DC), or just utter crap (the likes of Twisted Sister).

I don't consider GNR or AC/DC metal.

lol, I guess I never really gave a shit what some guys at VH1 think, I can form my own opinions

great, for once media is right about gn'r not being a metal band, ?: ok:

Who the hell cares about some crappy VH1 list ???? GN'R is kinda difficult to label anyway... ?But yeah Hard Rock is probably the most accurate term to describe them.

i don't consider gnr or acdc metal

people on vh1 always like to classify things as "heavy metal" when classify gnr, led zeppelin and acdc as hard rock

Well the funny thing about this is that they are running a commercial about "countdown week" and they play a clip of the WTTJ video during that commercial, suggesting I guess that GN'R is on a countdown this week. I think they have 20 best songs of the 80s or something also this week. They'll probably be on that one.

Yeah, in iTunes and on my iPod, I have GN'R, Led Zeppelin, and AC/DC classified as hard rock. I even have the later Metallica albums as hard rock too b/c they went from metal to mainstream hard rock on the Load album.

didn't vh1 name wttj to best heavy metal song ever or something like that and SCOM on top20 too?

 :rofl:



EDIT: post #2200  ;D :bow:

actually all those bands you listed ARE metal.. metallica, megadeth, slayer are THRASH metal

theres not ONE type of metal.. stop being such a close minded Fuck!

VH1 knows jack dick about metal.  VH1 is an authority on what is popular and what was popular.  Metal: not popular. 

No, thats MTV

Metal does always have to mean "dududududududududududuudud *double pedal* dududududududududuudud *solo* "

WTF is "real metal" those bands didnt class themselves as metal (other than skid row), they either classed themselves as glam or rock n roll.

gnr are a hard rock band, everyone knows that.

ac/dc blues rock

led zeppelin...err everything.

You DO know that Randy Rhoads got his start in Quiet Riot, right? They were formed in the mid 70's and had albums out in the late 70's, so they're an important band in the development of American heavy metal. They were before the NWOBHM, which few metal bands can claim.


I agree. Ratt was never that great.


No way! Skid Row were one of the heaviest of the glam metal bands. They had some pop songs and ballads, but they were a lot ballsier than Cinderella, Poison, Warrant, etc. Skid Row was a more aggressive band than people think.



Yep.


Their first 2 albums cement their place in history as one of the most important metal bands in the early 80's. Everything after those are pure cheese, but were still very influential and are really just guilty pleasures. They are actually underrated, because most people think of the poseur albums, without considering the merits of the first 2.


BULLSHIT. WASP backed up their image with both lifestyle and music, and they didn't sell out the way Crue did. The Crimson Idol is probably the greatest glam concept album ever made; the band was both intelligent and brutal. They are probably the heaviest glam band of all time.


Twisted Sister was one of the first, if not the first, glam metal bands. Earlier glam was rock/punk based. Twisted Sister also wrote Burn In Hell, one of the heaviest songs ever written by a glam band. Plus, they were popular, iconic, and generally good.

You should be more upset that they didn't include Bathory, Burzum, and Suffocation. ;)

Finally, GnR was never a metal band, except in the very early pre-Appetite days, and perhaps the middle section of the song Crash Diet. That's about it.

Any time MTV or VH1 mention "metal" they generally mean "hair metal," which isn't metal.  The idiocy of their list is proven by the inclusion of AC/DC, which belongs near the top of ANY best of hard rock list, but the argument that AC/DC is metal is even weaker than the same argument for GNR. 

well, it is metal. theres ALL different types of metal.

Judas Priest, Hatebreed, Motley Crue and Megadeth are ALL metal... but theres nothing really similar about them...its a broad genre.

You do realise MOST people form their opinions on music from the media etc. I never really listened to the media. so I listened to Motley Crue, Pearl Jam, GNR, Ac/DC new rock and classic rock without really caring..

Some people need to open their minds abit.. no use in disowning a music before you hear it just based on some image the media feeds you..

guns n motley,

It's not the media that tells me hair metal sucks. It's listening to the music BEFORE hearing the likes of Zeppelin, Hendrix, GN'R, Bob Dylan, Metallica, The Beatles, etc. that makes me think hair metal sucks. You see, back when I first really started getting into music about 10 years ago, one of the first genres I got into really quickly was hair metal by accident of course. And I thought it was great, but then I discovered what hair metal WISHES it could be: Guns N' Roses. And then I discovered Led Zeppelin and so many other Classic Rock artists that blow the fuck out of craptastic hair metal.

They're a hell of a lot closer to metal than Poison and Ratt in my opinion. Appetite rocks just as hard as anything Metallica ever put out. My definition of metal is basically how much ass do you kick although there are obviously a ton of "cliches" about the genre to look for when trying to classify a band's sound. I consider GN'R straight-up kickass hard rock, but if you're going to include AC/DC on a list like that, then you should probably include GN'R because they (particularly on one landmark album) kick the living shit out of a vast majority of VH1's top 20 metal bands.

GnR may not have made this list but they were #9 on the Top Best Rock Bands of All Time list.

VH1 suck my wee wee

How the hell can you call Motley Crue Posers!!!!!  Shout at the devil is an amazing metal album start to finish.  Almost as good as appetite in my book.

Exactly......VH1 has an extremely loose definition of metal and normally just include hair metal groups to make fun of them.  As GNR fans we should be glad they aren't included on this list. It just pisses me off when they're lumped in with the Poisons and Whitesnakes of the world.

VH1 also did a four hour program called "Heavy: The Story of Metal" (I think).  And it began with a bunch of artists, some metal, some hard rock, debating the definition of metal.  Anyway, here's my best summary, from memory, of the show:

Hour One---The Roots of Metal
Black Sabbath
Led Zeppelin
Alice Cooper
KISS

Hour Two---NWOBHM
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Def Leppard

Hour Three---LA Scene/glam/hair
Van Halen
Motley Crue
Poison

Hour Four---
Metallica & thrash
Guns N' Roses
Marilyn Manson
Nu-Metal

Interwoven in all of this is some actual history about the rise and fall of disco and punk and how metal survived through it all.  It's actually a very cool show.  The only problem is that most of the bands featured are NOT metal!  I see four confirmed metal bands on there: Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, and Metallica.  I'm not sure how to categorize Manson, so I won't try.  A lot of the other bands DID have important impacts on metal.  Kiss and Alice Cooper really upped the showmanship, Van Halen helped to create a legitimate American scene, and, obviously, GNR helped to make music about the music again, and not about make up and platform heels.  But, most of these bands belong to various genres of hard rock.  And, their attempt to focus on current metal by looking at bands like Slipknot is just sad.  There are so many incredible metal bands around today, who aren't corporate nu-metal mallcore garbage.

Anyway, still worth watching if you're a hard rock and/or metal fan.

what is "NWOBHM" ?

New Wave of British Heavy Metal

The first 2 episodes are actually very good. The early metal episode worked out, and the NWOBHM episode was also well made. After that, it degraded into garbage, as usual. The best documentary of metal is Metal: A Headbanger's Journey.

Most of the "hair metal" bands aren't really metal. They're closer to rock than anything else. The most notable hair metal bands that are actually metal are Lizzy Borden, Motley Crue, WASP, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Skid Row, Def Leppard (first album only), Dokken, Racer X, Scorpions (really predate hair metal, but still rather glammy), and Nitro.

Listen to Angel Witch, Diamond Head, Saxon, Samson, and Tygers of Pan Tang. Those are some of the most notable NWOBHM bands.

The problem is that, because hard rock and metal are so close, there are hard rock bands who'll make a metal song or album and metal bands who'll make hard rock songs or albums.  Sabbath are the fathers of metal, yet they have a number of very bluesy hard rock tracks (The Wizard, for example).  Metallica's "Load" is mostly a hard rock album.  Some former "hair" bands have made some great metal tracks.  "Waking the Dead" from LA Guns is one example.  Skid Row has been on that borderline with a number of tracks.  It really makes it hard to classify, though if you only like something for a label, then you're not really much of a true music fan (that comment isn't targeted at anyone...just a thought).

You do know dave coverdal the singer of whitesnake was in Deep purple in the 70s, and also did an album with jimmy page in the early 80s dont you???

dont diss a rock god like him..

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not dissing any of the bands discussed here.  I'm just saying there's a difference between metal (Slayer, Death, Emperor, and thousands of others) and hair metal (Poison, Warrant, etc.), and that GNR is neither metal nor hair metal.  They're best categorized as hard rock or sleaze. 

number 9? they should of been in the top 5, personal opinion.

80s glam metal is some of the best music from the 80s, thats including van halen, as they made way for it, even ozzy did it.

sure, thrash had some good stuff, but half of it sounded the same and was a mess, to me, only metallica and megadeth really got it right, i like slayer but they are way too repetative, anthrax i like but they are different from the usual thrash style to me.

whoever said "hair metal" tries to be like guns n roses and led zeppelin is bollocks, complete, because many of them, if not all were around before guns n roses, and i dont know bout you, but i dont think ive ever heard antoher band that sound like led zeppelin.

I agree, the list is crap in terms of what its ment to represent, but i think motley crue deserved to be there.

Slayer isn't repetitive at all. Reign in Blood just gets that reputation because it's so fast. Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits, and South of Heaven are composed much better.

As for other thrash bands, check out Exodus, Vio-Lence, Sepultura, Sodom, Mekong Delta, and of course Dark Angel. The big 4 are somewhat overrated.

which ones are exodus...were they the ones that had a a sole person for singing, rather than the more usual thrash line up  of instrument/singer for a frontman?

and with slayer, lyrically they can get a bit repetative too.

ive heard reign in blood (which i do like), seasons of the abyss and the new album which was ok.

hey i agree with you on the being pissed they left out G'n'R (i watched it last weekend and i''m like WTF) but saying that W.A.S.P., Poison, Ratt, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, Skid Row, Quiet Riot, all suck then saying "hell KISS sucks too!". i'm sry but that pissed me off i try to go along with the karma thing but dude fuck you :rant:

Who cares...GNR is Rock N Roll not metal anyways...Metal is Slayer and bands like that...Rock N Roll imo is bands that have slow songs as well..November Rain,Stairway,Diamonds & Rust...Andbesides,VH1,Billboard,Rolling Stone....they always have different bands on there lists...One might have Nirvana as the top band, one might not even have them on there...Big deal

If pace is the sole qualifier, then doom metal would be doom rock n' roll.  Black Sabbath's self-titled track "Black Sabbath" is slow, but definitely metal.  My main criterion is that rock n' roll is still blues based, whereas in a lot of metal you can't find the blues.  Earlier metal bands tend to have bluesy hard rock/rock songs and seem to have also stumbled upon this very powerful, non-blues "metal" sound.  Sabbath, in particular, but also Deep Purple and others.


Agreed...GNR is the salvation of a bloated, overly commercialized, hollywood glam scene.


Sepultura fucking rules, and are a good band to get into for thrash, because they aren't a pure thrash band, IMO.  They aren't quite as fast, tend to be heavier, and do some very cool Brazilian stuff, too.


To some extent, I can agree with this, and metal certainly seeks this image, but I think it's faulty in some areas.  Power metal, for example, is probably both the least "heavy" and the least "ass-kicking" (from a pure violent perspective, as opposed to a technical perspective, where power metal excels), and I think you can make an argument that hard rock bands like GNR have a much more aggressive and dangerous image than do a lot of power metal bands.  The line between GNR's attitude and some metal bands comes with things like satanic imagery, etc., which is often just for effect and doesn't truly reflect the band's beliefs. 

Get Bonded by Blood. Enough said. Yes, Baloff was just a singer.


They're far more creative than 99% of thrash bands. Metal lyrics are generally terrible, anyway, since the focus is on the music.


You've missed their best albums, then. Slayer's first 2 albums, Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits (which contains the Haunting The Chapel EP these days), are both amazing, and South of Heaven has a peculiar subtlety that grows on you after a while. Seasons in the Abyss was more commercial, and Slayer's latest is decent, but they're not as good as the classics I just mentioned.

As for Sepultura, a lot of people consider them to be very early death metal. Death and thrash metal were much closer in the 80's than today. The band Possessed can be seen as both death and thrash. Even if they were the "first" death metal band, I still give Death credit for making true, solid death metal and establishing the genre. Death isn't as thrashy as the earlier bands.

As for blues, I'll give you Diamond Head as an example of bluesy metal. Having some blues elements doesn't make metal more rockish at all. I can't really explain well what makes metal what it is. You just have to hear it. GnR is not a metal band.

To each his own. I just think most glam and pop/hair metal acts are a complete joke when compared with those that inspired them: Led Zeppelin for instance. KISS is one of the most overrated bands ever. Do I like them? Yeah, but do I think they're all that great? Nope. When looks become just as important or even more important than the music, a band has its priorities out of whack in my opinion.

Just because they left GnR off the list doesn't mean that the bands on the list are not metal. Most of the bands on the list have inspired A LOT of new metal bands and other bands. Motley Crue, Kiss, Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Ratt, Def Leppard and W.A.S.P are all excellant METAL bands and desreve to be on the list.

And hair metal what the fuck is that bands with big hair and make-up who ever came up with that name is an idot. It is all just metal in the end; if anything it should be referred to as dudes who got a lot of tail for playing music. I really hate the term HAIR METAL probably because i grew up with all of those bands and still listen to them ALL because they kick ASS.

So just because one of the best METAL BANDS GnR was not on the list don't get your panty's in a bunch and cry because they where beat out by the likes of KISS and Iron Maiden.

those bands were more about the look they were about music as well. In the sence that it was a change from punk. Metal was dead for a lil while but those bands brought it back in the early 80s. As for KISS they are categorized as being "overrated" because they capitolized on there act, music, look, everything- hell they got everything from KISS Kondoms to KISS Kaskets. Do i think they over do it a bit by putting there name on allmost any thing and everthing, Yes, But that shouldn't get in the way of any one liking there music. If you dont like them or there music any more because they "sold out" then that proves that your a farewether fan and only liked them because they were popular in the publics eye.

No, there's a few songs by KISS that I do enjoy and I like their music overall, but I don't think they compare with gods of music like Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, etc...catch my drift? Guns N' Roses, however, kicks total ass in my opinion and if it weren't for their own appetite for destruction, they WOULD have been the next Rolling Stones.

I agree.  KISS is ok, but not great musicianship.  They're really about the live show, and doing something larger than life, which is fine.  I think someone needs to fill that role, and it's KISS.

And GNR is not a metal band. 

KISS stands for Keep It Simple Stupid meaning that there music was good and simple. Yes they are better live even though i've never been to a show  :crying: which really pisses me off. but i got KISSology so it works out. I think that no one in particular will be able to agree on the same list why dont we all make our own :beer:

heres mine-
1 (i gotta say) KISS
2 G'n'R
3 Led Zeppelin
4 Black Sabbeth
5 OZZY
6 Motley Crue
7 Dio
8 AC/DC
9 IRON MAIDEN
10 Poisen
11 Def Leppard
12 Twisted Sister
13 Skid Row
14 Warrent
15  Alice Cooper
16 Quiet Riot
17 W.A.S.P.
18 Ratt
19 Jackly
20 Accept

not in that order though i'm sure i'll change it but its just a rough sketch.

some cool bands...but warrant?

why not warrent man :) they sang Cherry Pie  :hihi:

The original line up of Warrant was really good. I remember seeing them before the made it big time and they really rocked.

Dirty rotten Filthy Stinking Rich is a great album.

i dunno, warrant for me were one of those bands who took the glam thing and gave it a bad name.

"look so good ,make a grown man cry, sweet cherry pieeeeeahhh"

Here is my top 20

1) Iron Maiden
2) Judas Priest
3)Kiss
4) Motley Crue
5) Accept
6) Saxon
7) Guns N Roses
8) Anthrax
9) Slayer
10) Ozzy Osbourne pre Zack Wilde
11) Badlands
12) Twisted Sister
13) Poison
14) Def Leppard
15) Black Sabbath
16) Warrant
17) Ratt
18) W.A.S.P
19) Dokken
20) Alice Cooper
21) AC/DC (almost forgot about them so i had to make it the top 21)

This is in no peticular order except for the top 5 those are my all time favs.

The 10 Greatest Metal Bands and Pre-Metal Pioneers:           
1. Black Sabbath                                                                     
2. Alice Cooper                                                                         
3. Deep Purple                                                                         
4. Iron Maiden                                                                     
5. Metallica                                                                         
6. Opeth                                                                     
7. Death                                                                           
8. Dark Tranquillity                                                               
9. Slayer                                                                               
10. Bathory                                                             

The 10 Greatest Bands that are Borderline/Confused with Metal:
1. Guns N' Roses
2. AC/DC
3. Nine Inch Nails
4. Rage Against the Machine
5. Motley Crue
6. Alice in Chains
7. White Zombie
8. Skid Row
9. L.A. Guns
10. KISS

zman freedom78 nice lists : ok: ya know this should be its own thread "Make your own top 20(fuck VH1)"  : ok: :peace:

was this the show where baz was the host? if so it's on swedish MTV right now

no your thinking of the 40 best metal songs or somthing like that. That was VH1 last may for there Metal Month. the we are discusing now was on VH1 classic and some chick was the host of it dont know her name but she was pretty hot :yes: :beer:

The chick that hosted the show is Sue Hoffman (I think).

No offense, but how can you make a list of pre-metal pioneers and not have Zeppelin? They were just as important, if not more important, than Deep Purple.

Um, because Deep Purple KILLS Led Zeppelin? Listen to the high, operatic vocals on "Child In Time". Look at the guitar/synth work and awesome solos. Just about every power metal band that has ever existed owes something to Deep Purple. Or Rainbow, more specifically, but Ritchie Blackmore refined much of Rainbow's elements while he was in Deep Purple.

There are also bands like Sir Lord Baltimore, Budgie, Blue Cheer, and Iron Butterfly to consider. Of all the important pre-metal and proto-metal bands, Led Zeppelin would barely make the top 20, if even that.

Freedom's list is good, but Dark Tranquillity and Opeth aren't that great, at least compared to those other bands. Judas Priest should be there for helping fire up the NWOBHM with the album Killing Machine and the leather look, and perhaps Mayhem, for its importance in 2nd wave black metal history.

Ah, screw it, I'll make my own list.  ;D This list has both influence, and personal slant going into consideration.

#1- Iron Maiden. A controversial choice, I know. There were so damn many stoner bands that approached Sabbath's heaviness, but few NWOBHM bands had Maiden's quality and importance.

#2- Judas Priest. Another NWOBHM band of importance, that loses the #1 spot due to falling quality in the 80's, even though their 70's work more or less saved metal from the punk rock explosion (and Sabbath's late Ozzy period suckiness) later in the decade.

#3- Black Sabbath. Duh.

#4- Death. One of the first death metal bands (Possessed was first). One of the few bands that was able to evolve from punkish early death/thrash to true death metal. Possessed, Slaughter (NOT the glam band) and Master never could take it as far as Death did.

#5- Bathory. This is the Death of black metal. They didn't create it (Venom did), but they defined it. And by they, I mean Quorthon. His influence in viking metal is also huge.

#6- Deep Purple. Reasons listed above.

#7- Morbid Angel. Altars of Madness is a classic, but Blessed are the Sick proved that slow, doomy death metal could be just as heavy. That album is probably the South of Heaven of death metal. They're also one of the most popular, influential bands in the death metal genre.

#8- Manilla Road. Just a consistently great, old school metal band that never really sold out. Over a dozen albums worth owning there. Even "classic" bands like Metallica and Slayer can only boast 3 or 4.

#9- Manowar. These guys are metal personified. And, unexpectedly, their first 4 albums are actually artistically relevant, no matter how cheesy they eventually got. They made some of the finest early American power metal. They are, unfortunately, often overshadowed by overrated thrash bands you have probably heard of.

#10- Mayhem. They pushed metal's ideology to the limit.

That's all I feel like listing. Just be assured that you'll have a good starting education in metal from just hearing these 10 bands.  :D

id much rather go for black dog over smoke on the water anyday.  Led Zeppelin should make the top 20, because they influenced nearly every style of rock and metal there is.

It was a conscience decision, really, about whether Zep qualified, and not about the quality of their work.  Did they influence metal bands?  Sure.  But they have so much material that is SO far from metal, that I chose to not count them as part of the group.  It was a subjective choice, so I'm sure some will disagree.  Had I included them, they would have been quite high on the list.     


I was trying to hit on some heavyweights in a few different styles...obviously Priest can be on any list, but I like Maiden more (simple as that) and didn't want it to be too NWOBHM heavy.  I think Opeth is an amazing current metal band.  Dark Tranquillity is on there for the melodic death though, now that I think about it,  there were better choices...though they're still incredible.

At The Gates is a more important Gothenburg band than Dark Tranquillity, anyway. Judas Priest is often seen as an NWOBHM band, but their earlier material puts them in a different category than Maiden. Opeth is a fine band, but not good enough for an all time list. Edge of Sanity, maybe.

Lol wtf? Edge of Sanity are brilliant, for sure, and they were before Opeth, but Opeth has just taken the music to such new levels and directions that EoS remains nothing but a marginal band in comparison. Furthermore, if you're talking about an all time list, it helps if the band is at least somewhat known - people actually know Opeth, and in my opinion they've had more influence than EoS ever will.

Yes, but Crimson destroys every album Opeth has ever done, put together. People mostly know Edge of Sanity because Dan Swan? was in it (and 532432 other bands ;)), but it's still well known enough. As for influence, not too many bands can emulate Edge of Sanity; Opeth's forumula is a little easier. It's apples:oranges there. Edge of Sanity is mostly better just on musical quality. Opeth is great; Edge of Sanity is greater.

I'm not too familiar with Edge of Sanity, so I'll give them a listen.  I do agree that At the Gates would be a better choice for a Melodic death band than DT.  But, that's what happens when you throw a list together and post it without any serious review/revision.


I have trouble taking Mayhem seriously.  Maybe Emperor would be a better black metal choice?  I personally prefer Immortal WAY more than either of them.

Check out Crimson, it's one 40 minute song/album. If you like Opeth (as I assume you do), there's a 90% chance you'll dig EoS too :)

Nah, more like a 110% chance, since Edge of Sanity is better than Opeth.  ;D And yes, their epic Crimson albums take a lot of influence from classical music (and jazz, and damn near everything else), with one point being long compositions instead of short songs. It's not too avant-garde though. It's not excessively experimental or pretentious, but it's not ordinary, either. It's just simply great, creative music.

Emperor is no way more important than Mayhem. They're good, but not that good. Immortal, perhaps, since they put out some fine albums before Mayhem, and were consistently great for their whole career. I've even heard they've reunited, as well. For Mayhem, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is the only studio album that's worth getting.

However, Mayhem's infamy was not only influential for the black metal scene, and metal as a whole. It was influential to the whole world. No band was as insane before or since Mayhem. Lots of bands, church burners, and internet amateur quasi-philosophers have been influenced by Mayhem. Their importance is holistic, while other black metal bands were only important to "the scene". Plus, Mayhem gave birth to Burzum, the best black metal solo project since Bathory; only Graveland comes close to what Burzum was.

For all that, I still think Mayhem deserves all the credit they get. Or, at least the drummer, Hellhammer, since all the others are either dead or in prison now.  :rofl:

Yeah I agree Priest should def. be on any metal list. They are very important to metal.

Ok now i will have to look into EoS i was not that big a fan of Opeth but will give EoS a shot.

If you are going to talk about influential black metal bands then you should include Venom. They are the best and when i saw them in the 80's they l scared me but kicked ass and have been a huge fan since. As for Mayhem i only have one album (Mysteris) and it is pretty good. I do have to agree with Walk they where an INSANE band and had a big hand in influencing the death metal scene.     

Deep Purple kills Led Zeppelin? That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Why the hell would I care about power ballads? Power ballads suck, except for those by GN'R like "Don't Cry."

I'll take "Heartbreaker," "Immigrant Song," "Communication Breakdown," "Whole Lotta Love," and a slew of others over everything Deep Purple did with regards to metal. Do I like Deep Purple? Hell yeah. They kick ass. But do they come close to kicking Zeppelin's ass in my opinion? Hell no. Zeppelin is up there with the Beatles and the Stones as one of the best bands ever.

I'd take Zep over Deep Purple any day of the week. But Zeppelin shouldn't be named on any metal list.

Child in Time a power ballad?  ??? You must be thinking about the wrong band here. Deep Purple began to use neoclassical influences in their music, while Led Zeppelin never went beyond blues-rock.

what are you talking about. led zeppelin did all crazy styles, i mean they even had celtic music incoporated into some songs.

listen to the last song on zep 4, "when the levee breaks" that song is so ahead of its time.

I think both bands played a HUGE role in influencing metal. If you had to compare them both it would be hard since they are totally 2 differnt bands. The one thing that Deep Purple had going for them to make them so-called more metal was Ritchie Blackmore and Ronnie James Dio. As for musicians i think Led Zepplin would blow Deep Purple out of the water. But everone has there own oppinion on the bands they like and how the y think they where influential.
Just like the Beatles people tell me they are THE greatest band ever and I listen to them and think this stuff is shit how can you listen them. And I think why did so many people go crazy for there music. 

They were still a blues-rock band at heart, though. They were good, but Deep Purple was better. When The Levee Breaks is standard blues-rock. A better example would be In The Light, which went beyond most rock at the time, being one of the heaviest songs the band did. The "Celtic" elements of Led Zeppelin were interesting, but never had the importance, influence, or even song impact of Deep Purple's experimentation.

Oh, come on. John Bonham was the only Led Zeppelin member who could compete, musically, with Deep Purple. The rest sounded decent in the studio, but live performances exposed their hack natures. They were terribly sloppy at times, admittedly due to drug abuse. They weren't terrible, but they never had the pure, technical skill of Deep Purple.

The Beatles were a moderately sophisticated pop band in the last part of their careers. They got credit for advancing pop music to its limits, which isn't really saying much, since pop is such a limited form of music.

personally id have to say led zeppelin live during 69 to 71 lets say, were a perfect live group.

after that plants voice isnt as good live.

It all depends on how you feel for each band it is apple and oranges.  i like both bands and favor one over the other.

Yes i would agree with you on 69-71 was there better years.

As for Deep Purple there new line up is Awesome. Steve Morse is still in the band yeah? I know he is playing with the Dixie Dreggs right now.

I tried getting anything by EoS, but failed.  I found a few songs, but couldn't get anything close to a complete album.  :'(

Arr, all fine pirates today use Soulseek, Matey! Those who listen to mere songs instead of whole albums should walk the plank! Arr!

Or better yet, don't be cheap and pay for it. ;) It's worth it.