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"In regard to a release date for the album itself, certain minor ?- and I do mean minor -- additions, as well as contract negotiations, need to be completed. Barring any unforeseen complications, these things have now been adequately scheduled. The band and I, along with our record company, feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotiona'

I read this line, and im wondering if he means studio time? or perhaps watching over the Mixing of the album??

it looks though as if everything has been scheduled ahead of time...If everything goes to plan, id guess theyed hand the album in sometime within the next 13days?

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If we go by the 2 letters from Axl and Merck it seems the additions are mainly Axl things. Who knows, it could be vocals, layers, production, mixing and what not. He said in Feb. that they had 6 more songs to finish up. I'm guessing that is still pretty much the case. The rest of the songs (26) seems to be all but ready. We know Better is mastered and ready to go.

32 songs? It would seem perhaps that GNR will stay on tour for the next couple of years and release a new cd each one??

The plan is to record 3 albums of material and release them with touring in between. I'm guessing the Chinese Democracy Project is loosely scheduled to endure for 3-4 years with 3 world tours and 3 albums.

If that were to come into fruition.....oh my :drool:


What he plans to do after that is anyones guess, even him. Reunion tour seems possible.

What Axl plans to do between now and next week is anyone's guess. I am sure things have changed since he wrote the letter. Could change for the good, could change for the bad. :-\ The contract renegotiation is a HUGE deal and will give you an idea of what will come after Chinese. : ok:

well, the negotiation wont start until axl hands in the master..


well, if studio time is set. I doubt that will change

as I already said I believe that master was handed beginning of December... they saw 3 weeks plan will not work and the letter came... minior additions could be credits, artwork changes etc. but I don't think they are going back to studio at this time. since all business industry is dead tlll Monday January 8th and 8 weeks is needed to the stuff right, they put out tenetive release date - March 6th.

just my thoughts!

velimir

Merck said the album still needed about 3 days of work until finished. That can only mean musical additions.

True, but Once again It could just be mixing, overwatching the mix etc. doesnt nececerally mean adding stuff to the album

Like I said in the Open letter discussion, maybe the reasons are really simple.

Maybe Frank played some drum section different than the version Brain did and the band feels better with it, maybe the changed intro to the song Chinese Democracy should be done again, maybe some solos from other songs should be mixed different. We don't know what exactly is happening, and that should be that way, I don't want to know when someone is going to the toilet or if a cup of coffee has fallen down. Those are meaningless "facts".

I want the CD in a store. And I want that every member of Guns N' Roses can say: "Yes, that was the best that we could have done." If they need 3 days or 3 months to get that album recorded again, mixed or engineered, yeah, give them the time that they deserve. They ain't doing the record for none of us, they were doing it for themselves, and when they come out of the studio with the last piece of work done on the album, then they were releasing it for US, but untill then it is THEIR album and they know what they have to do to make it complete.

We don't know what things have been handed over to the record company. I know some people will say: "But Mr. XY called the company and they told him that they don't have anything" or "Magazine XYZ wrote that the company does not have a clue". LOL Sure the company will tell a random guy what the situation is like. Yeah!!! And that bad news are selling ones is also clear.

Just relax and enjoy the future with GN'R. You will get more than you expect. :yes:

theyve been working on it for 7years plus. I think thats enough time...

I have to disagree.

I prefer having a 100% song and if some of the possibilities I mentioned in my post above make a 100% out of a 95% song, then it should be worth the wait. That's my point of view.

Btw, are you sure that they were working 7 seven years in a row? Maybe Buckethead's action forced them to go back to an earlier stage of work again.

here we go again... :hihi:

From what Merk's letter stated, I was under the assumption that Axl himself had some more work to do...retouching vocals, perhaps?  Then again, given that the project is Axl's baby in every respect, having "more work to do" could mean in any aspect of the album...

Hujiko, You have to chuckle at these comments-same shit different year. The only difference is Axl gave an exact "tentative" release date. Tentative being the key word in the document. It doesn't mean he will actually be able to meet his deadline-just like "fall 2006". Not one shred of evidence shows that the album is complete. Thus, in the end, no different than anytime before. ::)

[quote author=polluxlm link=topic=41746.. We know Better is mastered and ready to go.


Sorry but how do u know better is mastered and ready to go??

I wouldent think there would be too much.l.is hes played the CD to Baz..them that must have been so close to complete.. :peace:

I'm guessing since they handed a copy to Harley Davidson. That clip was obviously not a demo.

is it really? ive never really gotten my hopes up until this fall. but even that seemed dismal as November came.

Axlls NEVER given a date tentative or not. seems this time Like he wants to meet his deadline as he told us hell do anything he can to meet it. so Id say it is coming this time... Might not be March 6, but it sounds like axl plans to get it out? ???

You know that on one of the new Smashing Pumpkins songs, there is a 7 guitar symphony. Maybe Axl is adding on and combining all the guitars together to create a sound that will kill the pumpkins?

i think the guitars on the leaks already kill the pumpkins  :yes:

Probably pointless stuff like the way he changed The Blues. Keeping the guitar out until, "So now I stumble through my days" when in 2002 the guitar came in at the beginning of the song - i think the fact that he keeps making "minor" changes like that to every song are what constantly delay this album. He always hears one tiny little minor thing that he thinks isn't perfect.

this is slowly turning to beating another dead horse... pointless in your eyes only  :o

by minor additions i'm hoping he means just mixing, mastering and maybe like final artwork. But who knows i hope thats all done already :beer:

When I read Axl and Merchs (not on this site of course) letters I thought they needed a few more days in the studio, not necisarily just Axls parts

2-3days to be exact : ok:

Like I said before - I do not consider it being nonsense or useless. If you would have the chance to make something better - would you make it? I would.
We do not know what is going on - so why don't we just stop accusing one single person for being responsible for a delay. Maybe Zildijan is not able to get Frank's drumkit the way he wants it, who knows. I am really annoyed by so much intolerance and gossip spreading all over the net.
If you are a real fan, you will accept the things the band and/or the members of the band tell you. Of course you should not take everything without thinking, but starting to analyse each and every word is simply stupid.
Just a word to the tiny little minor thing:
If you have written a song that maybe means more than anything else to you and you find an intro or a new rhythm part or whatever that expresses exactly what you wanted to have expressed by that - I bet you would have the wish to make it perfect. So without having a clue what is going on behind the scenes, we should stop moaning and bitching.

I hope that I am not the only one who is thinking this way.

I hope to God they're not putting more actual music on, they've had 10+ years to do that, plus it means that certain musical aspects will just be sort of thrown together at the end.  However, i'm sure axl is way smarter than this... i defiently think it's artwork/promotional shit they're working on.

In the words of Michael Jackson of all people, "You are not alone."  (seriously, I agree with you)  You can't force or rush genius.

BBF playin' the grinch theme kills the pumpkins...

anyway, additions, prolly frank and BBF maybe some other stuff : ok:

Probably just the lyrics. : ok:

i hope not and i doubt it. wouldn't be fair to the new band, if that were to happen i would want the current line-up to stay together as the true guns n' roses and the old members just fill in at a few shows for the fans to experience. but i much prefer the new band to the old. and besides, with slash' and duff's history of lying about axl i have very little respect for them and i would like to see the new line-up succeed without them and i believe that will happen in a major way.

yeah. that really made the song "better"...
not!
it's still the same old song it was 6 years ago. nothing better.
if he wants it to be november rain, then he needs to rewrite it completely, not just change a detail here and there....

anyhow...

it's always been one step forward, 2 steps back.

I still hope we havent heard the big guns yet, because, better, twat, IRS are not that ahead of madagascar, blues, cd, as I tought they'd be after the 2002 statement.

the problem is your hyping up the cd to be something Mythical and ahead of expectations. thats the probelm with axl keep delaying it. it blows it out of proportions with the hype that he cant match. he needs to just get it out and move on.

Just look at it as a good rock record and you can look at it better :hihi:

I mean if you think of IRS as they took 10years to create this? youll be disapointed. but if you just look at it as a rock song. its a damn good rock song

I didn't even know there was a new Pumpkins CD out?  Who cares if GN'R tops them or not, they are NOBODYS now.  Don't get me wrong they were good in there day, but Chinese Democracy is on an entirely different level than ANY pumpkins CD.  I think he just means mixing/mastering as the minor changes IM HOPING!!

It's pretty clear that the minor additions he's talking about in his letter are small parts to be recorded by Frank and Ron and some new liner notes.

I don't understand how that is so clear? ?He doesn't mention anything about the new members or recording ANY material? ?So really we DON'T know what Axl is referring too. ?I recall a new article stating that he couldn't put time into his music because of all the lawsuits he had to face in the last 10 years. ?Maybe hes sorting the last of these lawsuits out, and then its time for the album and FULL promotion. ?Seems logical to me.

i think axl will deliver this time. minor additions maybe a few hooks hes just tryin to nail or a little section of a solo who knows? we'll get the album im not worried. as for what as been produced so far, i love all of it especially The Blues, IRS and Better. the album will go great guns

I'm curious, what makes you guys so sure that by contract negotiations Axl's referring to Geffen / the record deal?

edit: Nevermind, I've found an answer to that question.



The album is not complete that last we've heard. No-one's telling you different.

What makes this date significant is that now Axl must respond by March 6th one way or the other. The last time he took the time to mention the delays, he avoided mentioning any dates, he only 'hoped' to announce one within a 'few months'. We all know how that went, but he didn't have to say anything afterwards, as he had not promised jack shit on that department. Now he has a date and he's pretty much obligated to either deliver the album or step up saying; "Sorry, we didn't make it. Plan B goes like this..."

In any case, we'll know more on CD's status by or on March 6th. I don't know about you, but I'll gladly take it over any 13 Tuesdays crap they've been selling us for the past months (does anyone notice a resemblance to the RIR4 date note there?  :hihi:).

I agree completely! It's their music, their art, after all. If they want to make it perfect, let's let them. I'm sure the end product will be that much better when we hear it that the wait won't matter.

Where is the interview that Axl says this?? I thought it was in the Loder interview in 1999 or the RS article from 2000, but I don't see it in either of those... unless I missed it. I think it's the same interview where Axl mentions that the current fans "would probably hate" the 3rd album if it came out now, or something along those lines. He said that based on the industrial feel of the songs that were GOING to be used for that album.

I just hope that whatever it is, it's REALLY minor.

He has talked about it several times. In 2000 (Kurt Loder interview) he said they had 2 albums worth of material, in 2002 (On stage in Leeds) he said we would get 3 albums and this year he said they had 32 songs (Korn party).

He did say in 2000 that the second album would consist of a little bit more experimental stuff, while the first one would be more classic rock. I don't think he said hate, I think he meant alot of fans wouldn't be ready for all the stuff that they've made yet.

I'm guessing CD will be the album that is supposed to get him back on the map, while the next 2 albums will explore some new ground.

If all of this comes through, like I said, oh my...... :drool:

The Minor details probaly mean just setting up what songs they want to put on a special DVD that comes with Chinese Democracy not saying that its offical but I mean it could be a suprise I hope that would be real cool.

I myself wonder if the drum tracks will be re-recorded with Frank Ferrer.

According to Frank some will, but not all. It still remains to be seen what type of work he's actually done.

i wonder why all the speculation....so many people are trying to decipher what axl means whenever he speaks.  i think we should all wait patiently, stop looking at every word axl says through a microscope and we'll all get our new gnr music in a few short months!!  the cold hard facts are this:  we dont know when the album will be out - we cant trust a word that is uttered from axl rose's mouth, we've been burned too many times !  i know some of you will say i'm gnr bashing, but beleive me, i love this band as much as anyone.  i'm 32 yrs old and gnr has been my favorite band for 20 yrs now.  i've lived through it all, and yes nowadays i take every press release or interview with a grain of salt.  bring on CD , we've been waiting!

Maybe Frank and Ron had to re-record a song or two?

Add some harp? :hihi: