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Do we have a source?

It is possible, but, no offense to anyone, lets just wait for an official annoucement. Until that it is just another rumor.

velimir

I guess sladdi's source is the same as when he talked about a UK tour way before the official announce...

Why don't they come to South America? :(

Or Asia?

Another European tour?

Where and why isn't the important issue here.

If they are starting to schedule new dates already it could only mean...

Didn't Richard say they had plans for Asia in March?

Anyway, comin back to UK (maybe) would be great  : ok:

it is a dead season until Monday, 8th of January (at least in Europe). I am sure there are plans, but things can only get finalized (promotion, new tour dates, single...) after that date. and I am talking from my personal experience, not that I have any other info.

edit: and what's up with all the 'cold' tour dates... go to SA, you'll be fu*king freezing in Russia in February  :hihi:

Russia is Asia, not Europe.

Russia is Europe AND Asia. The country si quite big mate.

The part of Russia they are likely to play is Europe.

Eurasia ?:hihi:... depends where they will play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia

since they didn't play russia at the europeean tour it's likely that they start the asain tour in maybe moscow then head east maybe

i think it`s the asian tour....  another european tour that soon doesn`t make sense to me...

if this true they never played in Russia before , and of course they will play european part of Russia , cities like Moscow or ST. Petersburg .

It will be great for russians fans .

I just thought the same: weather in Northern, Central and Eastern Europe at that time is pretty much the same... It's fuckin' WINTER here

Which means only indoor, not too big gigs? ::)

Guys come to Europe for the summer festivals and open air gigs ?: ok:

The best music festival in Poland is taking place in Gdynia 29.06. - 1.07.2007 (seaside, good music and fully recomended promoter: Alter Art, BTW Live Nation here in Poland sucks!)

http://www.opener.pl/index2_en.html

We already notice in the not far future tha NEWGNR.COM has good "insider"...

Why don't we just wait n'see....


February is behind the corner

I think it makes perfect sense, at least more sense than playing somewhere in Siberia. I think they'll play in western Russia and then either tour Europe, or they'll go to Dubai (as was rumored) and China, Japan, maybe go to Australia and New Zealand, maybe even going north to Singapore or something.

If it starts in Feb. I only see them touring for a little over a month before returning to the US and Europe for album promotion.

Thats what doesn't make sense, why would they be in Russia just a couple weeks before the big release?  :-\

Great.I hope  GNR will also play in in germany : ok:

They'll freeze their asses off!

Would imagine that it would take place as part of an Asian tour. Only my opinion obviously but would mean they could feasibly play China around the launch date and could fix in with that festival in Mrach in Dubai that still doesn't have a headliner for the last day. Then Australia (didn't Seb Bach say something about being there with GN'R in 2007?), so covering Asia and Australasia (if other countries in these continents are covered) in the first part of the year?
Then South America and back to Europe if things are in order?

Logical but obviously GN'R don't always do things in that manner!  ;)

the weather in Moscwa right now the same as in NY  :P

I think it's a bad plan to come back to europe so soon, ALL big festivals take place around June through-August
and we had a lot of rumours thanks to Richie and BBF that Gnr was coming to Asia and Australia!

Well the drawback with touring asia is that there will hardly be any updaters.

Is anyone on here even remotely close to that region ?

I think I know one person on the board that lives in Hong Kong.

You know there are loads of GN'R fans around those parts so I guess we will get the setlists and so on..


Maybe GN'R will go for a tour in China.  :hihi:

the weather in moscow are very cold in february,don't forget hitler and napoleon didn't won russian winter

^ if they will be there , they not going to fight , they will stay in best hotels  :smoking:

and they have a lot fans in Russia  :yes:

Guns n roses should play a free gig as RHCP did it years ago!

If GN'R have want to do it right, they'll do the red square in febuary, asia/oceania in spring (march/april) and then tour Europe... The lucrative festival season in europe doesn't start untill may! Obviously, there is no sence in touring the US untill winter 2007, GN'R do no business there...

I would think they'd need to release the new album before starting a new tour.

apsolutelly agree,without new album gnr tour ineurope in 2007 haven't point

Why does everyone want GNR at festivals so much?
Wouldn't it be better seeing them in a stadium where the only people there are GNR fans?

Perhaps it is because more people will see the new band who otherwise would not. Personally I would rather see a GNR only concert, but introducing the band and new music to thousands of new people has its merits.

Business wise it makes sense, but yeah, I would much rather see Gn'R, or any band for that matter, at their own show. I don't like festivals in general...of course I'll go see Gn'R no matter where they are close to me, but living in Vegas I don't have to worry about festivals I guess.

Where in Russia though?  Moscow or St. Pete?

I can definitely see them going east from that point.  Or south to Dubai for that festival. 

The Rolling Stones played in China, so I don't see why GN'R can't play there.

Well, except for this one song during the encore.

GUNS N' ROSES To Kick Off European Tour In Russia? - Dec. 26, 2006 
 
According to NewGNR.com, GUNS N' ROSES is planning another European tour beginning on February 24 in Russia. No further details are currently available.

Rose announced two weeks ago on GUNS N' ROSES' official web site a "tentative" March 6 release date for the band's eternally delayed new album, "Chinese Democracy". In the posting, Rose also revealed he has split with longtime manager Merck Mercuriadis due to disagreements over the set up for the album release.

In order to properly plan for the release, GNR has canceled four January shows in Sacramento, Calif., Bakersfield, Calif., Reno, Nev., and San Diego.

"Chinese Democracy" is the first GUNS N' ROSES album since the 1993 covers collection "The Spaghetti Incident". In the ensuing decade, the group has lost every original member besides Rose and burned through a reported $13 million in recording expenses. 
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I wonder if Sebastian is going with them?

Don't know how many people know this but he was the First Heavy Metal
to Swear on a Russian stage

Quote "Check this out Mother Fuckers"

the played hongkng allready...  and they played chinese democracy as well : ok:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=41708.0  : ok:

yeah, this has been posted  : ok:

interesting rumor but I think that the band would be in the US while the album is released and then start touring shortly afterward....

Airplanes are a wonderful advancement!  :D

if this is true and they are starting a tour at the end of febuary this could only be good news in my eyes that the album is on schedule

wwell man trust me,if 6 march excist like realising day chinese democracy is finished

They should play in Russia and in Europe in general when it's a little warmer then now. They can't play outdoor in Europe now, otherwise there's no such enthusiasm. My opinion though...

i want them to come in summer for european festivals, although id be chuffed if they came back to the UK any time.  Just wanna see GNR again soon!

but realistically it would seem more likely that this would turn into a tour of Asia and Australasia

Although I'm not sure of Axl's intentions of spreading Chinese democracy, I'm convinced that he and his guns are not aiming to dethrone Putin ... :beer:

How hard could it be for him to do?  :hihi:

It doesn't matter when they start touring, as long as the album is turned in and ready to be released.  I hope they're in the US for the summer though

True...

But a new single could be out by 24th feb. And if 5-6 march still is the release date I see no problem with starting a new tour...

...and Newgnr.com have been right before...  :yes:

seems right because it was rumoured that they would be in Asia in March

i don't think they need it, if they go to places they haven't played yet, like russia they haven't been there.. and then 6 march is just days away from the 24th feb.. and as someone said by the 24 feb a single is prolly out and on the radio.. starting a tour in february and then maybe head east would be cool, the only thing is that i wold think that they would tour the states when the album is released 'cuz that's what i know of there biggest market, then europe for the summer cuz of the festivals, then south ameica and asia, but that's just specualation of course : ok:

Didn't Baz say awhile back that he'd see Australian fans soon?

It'll most likely be an Asia/Australia tour kicking off in Dubai, U.A.E., with a couple European shows, but mostly it'll be elsewhere.

They need to get the album out first though. Or simutaniously kick off a new leg with the album's worldwide release. They know that though, that's why they are going to prep after the holidays.

It's happening folks!  : ok: :peace:

I just hope the It's happening folks line actually COMES TRUE.  I've just seen it so many times, its hard to believe.  I guess cancelling shows actually benefits the fans more than it hurts them for once.  Bring on the album then worry about the tour...

don't even go there, somebody may poison Pittman.

OMG, we'll have a live album,
Radioactive Democracy!!!!

The DJ on Hair Nation/Sirius (Tawn Mastery) just put out the tour starting up again in Russia as a statement of fact.  Of course, she's just going on rumors, like she did with the Rolling Stone release date in November.  IF it is in fact true what do you think that means exactly?  Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but they had a very successful European tour over the summer and while their North American tour was also successful they definitely hit more bumps in the road and cancelled dates here and there.  The tours start was pushed back and their was supposed to be a second leg of the tour, which now doesn't look likely.  You think they feel more comfortable playing overseas at this point?  Do they get a little better response?  Not as much criticism from media/fans?  Or is it all just a coincidence?

I think so too.  I also think they need to make some shows up here to the fans that got slighted due to the cancellations. 

When is this festival in Dubai?  I suppose I could see them doing it and then playing some dates in the area since it has not been covered on the tour thus far.

its March 9 and 10:

http://www.desertrockfestival.com/

i think it only has to do with the album release....

I swear to god I don't want them to go anywhere before getting this album out !!!! :confused:

They'll be rehearsing new setlists and shit, all the planning that goes along with a tour you know they aren't going to do it small...it will all just distract them from the most important thing right now which is the album.

  Axl could call me up and offer to play my back yard and I'd say to him only if the album is done and 100% coming out on March 6th !!

If you come by and read this Axl.... if you offer I'll turn you down like an ol'bitch  :rofl:

Thanks!  That actually looks very cool, too bad I don't live anywhere near Dubai!!!


You lie!!! ;D

But I think the fact that we haven't heard anything is a good sign they are indeed working on the record and the release.  The next time I see them live I would really have like to have heard CD in it's entirety.

That Dubai festival looks intensely cool! Wish they would do more things like this in the States. We usually get a couple metal shows in the summer with big line-ups but I hate the venues they play and will actually not attend because of the venue. True metal is sorely lacking here...

I think it would be a great start to open the tour. Don't think it will interfere with the CD. How much more time can they spend on it anyway? It has to be pretty much 95% done. Maybe Axl wants to play with the mix but I can't believe they won't have something done and ready to be released before they start touring again. It would be stupid to do that. It's impossible to work on a CD and tour.

they won't play that festival because they already have the headline acts announced, Iron Maiden & Incubus.

I can see Incubus @ Prodigy's place on the day two  : ok:

A couple of months ago there was some rumors about some spanish dates in April. It was even listed on there homepage.

Maybe that could fit to this rumor?

Anyone remember that??

The message has changed:

According to my informants, another EUROPEAN TOUR is 'in the making' for February,
starting on the 24th in Moscow, Russia.
Please keep in mind that this is nowhere near confirmed and plans can still change.

If this is the case, I just don't get why Axl would choose to drop the album while there on tour in Russia or somewhere in Europe, versus back home in the United States.. :-\

Although, the 24th of February is still 10 days off from March 6th..

Yeah, no offense, but the Europeans also think they're going to get the album first.

Uhh... yeah right.

It'll be US first, and everyone else later. The US market is the music business & their target crowd, and it's gonna happen their first.

I say the album drops in the US first, everyone else a day or so later, at the same time a new tour leg kicks off in Asia. But then again, they also might decide to add more dates to the US leg, before heading back east.

It's a wellknown fact that albums are released on Mondays in most of Europe and on Tuesdays in North America.

Monday is the weekday before Tuesday, that's why many people assume the album will be out in Europe before USA/Canada.



/jarmo

not on guns n roses official site, gunsnroses.com right?

Hmmm, well I was thinking more along the lines of avoiding piracy. But then again, if they release it in the U.S. on a Tuesday, then wait for the following Monday, nearly a week later, and release it in Europe, they'll set up the possibility of the same thing happening.

Any chances of it being released on the same day? Like, Tuesday in the U.S., and Wednesday in Europe, because of the time difference?

no, why would that help? ::), just beacuse US is the main market doesn't mean they should get it before european fans, you guys aren't more fans or more important, it seems like some of you think you are

That would put the album being released same day, to avoid piracy. It has nothing to do with the U.S. market (even though that's more important).

Piracy is overrated. A couple of days isn't going to make a difference. The release of a GN'R album these days is not going to be some big event. Everything will occur pretty normally.

And to say the US is their most important market is doubtfull to say the least. The summer tour should be evidence that Europeans are more acceptive of Axls new incarnation than the US.

Exactly what it is, the american fans think they are the more important GnR fans than anyone else around the globe..... and think that CD will be released there before anywhere else...

I also find it funny that GnR CHOSE to tour europe before the USA   dont u ? :p

CJ

ok, but it's no anyway, 'cuz you can't avoid piracy i think, it's always gonna happen that some does it, and as Polluxl said, yeah piracy is a bit overrated ad doesn't affect the album sales that much, most of the time an artists album leaks before it's released it's the diehard fans that finds and downloads it and they are going to buy the record anyway

and BTW no wednesday in europe isn't tuesday in the US :hihi: ;)

Erm.... albums are released mondays in the UK and tuesdays in the USA ,   get over yourself ...

CJ

Well if you Euro's think the music biz lies in your backyard, you're severely mistaken.

Enjoy David Hasselhoff!  : ok:  :peace:

Typical...

Get over yourself already. You were proven wrong since albums are usually released earlier in Europe.




/jarmo

You are the typical big headded yank who thinks that everything in the world revolves around them....

Fisrt thing that proves your argument wrong....

Guns n Roses toured europe FIRST.... Hmm Maybe because we accept Guns n Roses for who they are, not for what they were...

second,

In a comment made by a GnR official outlet stated that CD would DEFINATELY be released in europe on the monday and then USA on the tuesday....

Thirdly

Stop being such a big headed c**t thinking that everything in the world revolves around YOU ! (sorry for my swearing jarmo, just that these kind of people get on my nerves)

Ill give you a $10 bet that CD is released in Europe on the Monday, then USA the following day (tuesday) and i bet most people on here will agree that will happen...

CJ

At this point I will be glad to get it...Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.  And I don't care who gets it first, as long as I get it. : ok:

i prefer to enjoy led zep, sabbath, pink floyd, clapton, the beatles etc thanks.

I'm not really taking anyone's side here, but I'd like to direct this post to your first statement about Gn'R touring Europe first. That was most likely due to the fact that there are a LOT more festivals in Europe than in North America, and also that Gn'R had to earn back some credibility with U.S. promoters. Most of Gn'R's big riots and cancellations have occurred in North America. It's understandable then, especially with the whole 2002 tour blowup, that Gn'R would choose to tour overseas first to gain back some credibility and get some good PR working.

Couple that with the fact that they were planning to release the CD this year, during their tour through North America mind you, and it makes sense why they toured Europe first. I'm sure the warmer winter climate of many North American locations played a small part in it as well.

Raven

Thanks for answering my question.? ::)


Me either. I just want to get it. I made one comment about America getting it first, and they came of the shadows guns blazin'. Jeezus...


It does. Get over it.


That's because of when the fesitvals were scheduled. Or they would've picked up where they left off in 2002.


Absolutely man. Guns N' Roses 2007! I totally agree.? : ok:


Source? Not calling you out, just curious. Because if that was stated to begin with, we wouldn't even be discussing it.


Name calling. Nice, how mature.


...what a kissass


$10, well if that's how little you're gonna bet, I like my odds.


Yep, exactly. I don't know why some of these European fans think they have some sort of preference. Guns N' Roses love their fans all over the world, not just Europe. Stop thinking the world revolves around YOU!


Me too!  : ok:

There's no issue about the European music market. There's only you trying to turn this into a "USA! USA! USA!" thread. The fact that albums are out on Mondays in Europe hardly has anything to do with David Hasselhoff.


Now, either stay on topic or fuck off.  :P




/jarmo

No more info about this actual "tour", now that we're in 2007?

Well, to be honest, America accounts for 40% of cd sales worldwide. Considering we are only one country, that is a pretty big slice of the pie. However, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with when the record is released in Euroope. ?:hihi:

Maybe CD will be released in Moscow on February 24th so Russia gets it first... and then Europe & then USA...  :smoking:

If Axl has managed to do what he hoped he would, it's going to be any day now.

We got some exciting weeks ahead of us, hopefully (that's mandatory :hihi:).

Are you saying it's time for the "Will GN'R play at Superbowl 2008" thread? Or "Will they play at the VMAs?"....

 :hihi:





/jarmo

yeah yeah yeah, USA rocks, woo-hoo, yeee-hawww!!! you are the bestest country in lyk da whole wide world and we all know it :confused:

I doubt that very much. If I remember correctly I read sometime ago that the annual CD sales in the US are about 650 million, it was compared to the UK with about 250 million and Germany with about 150 million. Thats already 400 million without mayor markets in Europe like France, Spain, Scandinavia, etc.

i heard your country also plays a big role in pollution and stuff....  considering you`re only one country..... ;)

no seriously...   if america accounts for 40% of cd sales worldwide... and the rest of the world for 60%, isn`t it only logical to release CD on a monday worldwide and then on a tuesday in america?

and since when is america only one country by the way?

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=84690&hl=

Merck, when he was managing GnR.

So can we put the argument to bed now and move on?

Even if the album drops on a Monday in Europe, I'll still be waiting until the next day to purchase my copy from my local record store.

I don't need anymore "sneak peaks" or "leaked demos", quite frankly, I just want the real deal : ok:

You guys are quite sensitive. ::)....United States of America....for a comment which was just stating facts and NOT ?talking about how good or bad our country is. Of course it is logical to release the record on whatever day the country normally releases new records. Europe is on Monday. Great! : ok: I don't know what day Japan releases records or Chile or anywhere else for that matter.

I honestly hope Axl drops the album worldwide, on the sameday, just like Eminem did with Encore in order to prevent a mass leak.

That way, no one here can brag about being the first to hold it, blah, blah :)

MOnday Tuesday or when ever as long as the album comes out.

Europe/ Asia tour first then USA in summertime would be great! As long as they make it back to Northern California to play the canceled shows i do not care where they start.

I do think that EUROPE is a bigger market for Metal Music than the USA. Just look at all the festivals there are in EUROPE vs USA.

Well, with the internet, it would still be a global release, because everyone would have it in a few hours, regardless if it was for retail sale or not.

it isn't posible to stop piracy???

and aids
and hunger
and cancer?

No I wasn't. I presented a question, that no one answered. All I got were these 'they are released on Mondays, and that's just the way it is'. One guy attempted to debate my theory.

I wasn't looking for an argument. I made the Hasselhoff comment, because everyone turned this into a USA vs. Europe contest.

The music business. The business itself, and what revolves around it, is firmly based in the U.S. Always has been. This is fact. I'm not trying to say USA, USA, USA man, i'm really not. I'm just saying record execs look at what stuff does in the states alot more seriously than anything else.

I thought, that maybe they might want to release it worldwide, same day, to avoid piracy. I don't get a flyin' fuck if Europe gets it first, as long as we get it.

 :peace:

rumors!
 :crying:

newgnr.com

In regard to the supposed European Tour... I was glad to have been able to share that little piece of information with you. However, I haven't heard back since. I fully believe it was, possibly still is, in the plans.

to end the discussion who got the biggest and most important music market once and for all and yes CDs are usually released EARLIER in the EU then in the US...in Germany mostly even the FRIDAY BEFORE THE US RELEASE ON TUESDAY. This is a fact and has nothing to do with David Hasselhoff or some bullshit that some markets are more liked then others. It is also possible though that it will be released the same day worldwide which happens sometimes but it is very uncommon!The reason for the friday release is that the CD can appear in the charts, starting on the monday of the following week. CDs are released on fridays in Germany since Sept. 23rd 2005 (http://www.cdstarts.de/nachrichten/CDs%20kommen%20zuk%FCnftig%20Freitags%20auf%20den%20Markt.html)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_music_market

Both music markets are ABOUT THE SAME SIZE in USD!

GnR most likely toured Europe first because of the festivals that bring a lot of money....and maybe a they did not have a tour promoter for the US back then

Forgot: EMI (EMI GROUP PLC, UK) and UMG (VIVENDI SA, France) belong to European based companys. Sony BMG Music Entertainment is about half European (Bertelsmann AG, Germany) and half Japanese (Sony). The only american controlled major label is Warner with a market share of about 15%. Maybe that`ll end the discussion about the European and American market importance ;D

merck said the tour would start around march in dubai.....  so these plans are probably quite old...(as merck isn`t quite in the loop for some months now as well...)

what you're saying makes sense...they have to be around come release time for promotion, interviews, appearances etc.

maybe they'll do a couple of shows (warm-up's?) in Asia, Dubai, Russia before the album is released then head to Europe for a brief tour and some press. Once the album is out they will tour, that's obvious!

Lets just hope that another tour isn't about raising money to complete the CD!