Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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Slash and Duff and Matt should just fire this Weiland guy and this Kushner guy and give a call to Izzy.
They could play GN'R, VR, Duff, Izzy and Slash's songs plus the ones that they wrote/recorded together but never released.
Izzy and Duff could share lead vocals.
That would be a dream come true.
Rock n' Roll, baby
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yeah a band without a front man...are you high?

yes :hihi:


not a bad idea

how about - NO.

I don't know why, but this idea is a bit silly.

I've thaught about this alot, duff and Izzy sing alot of the songs anyway

if they ever do this they should call the band:

"GUNS"

But for now i'm VERY happy with VR and i cant wait for the new CD

(Dave Kushner Rocks!!!)

A band with the Slash/Izzy/Duff combo with the latter two singing would be great for me.. not for the GN'R sound or whatever but because they'd deliver some awesome music. To bad the guys didn't take on Izzy's offer to go out and tour and release their cd.. Sure it probably wouldn't have lasted longer then 6 months before they'd move on onto other projects but atleast we'd have a great album 8)

Contraband dissapointed me big time.. and the new GN'R stuff doesn't do it for me either. Hopefully Libertad will be better to my taste ;)

I'll take VR just the way they are.. Scott is awesome.... I wouldn't mind maybe Izzy replacing Dave.. But Dave rocks too....

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No JohnSDMF, I am not high.
Did you know that Izzy is a frontman of his own band?
Did you know that Duff has been a frontman of Loaded, Neurotic Outsiders and of his own band?
Did you know that you can play guitar and sing at the same time? And that you can be the frontman playing guitar?
Did you know that people actually do it?
Are you high?
How old are you?


Yeah Robman?, if you don't like rock n' roll played by guys who wrote the best album ever, than you are right, this is a pretty silly idea.


I think the same way!


Same here!


I think Scott can be good. But sometimes it looks like he is trying too hard to be a rock n' roll guy. I like the way he (and the band) sounds on "Come on, Come in". Hopefully VR goes in that direction...

Luciano
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after thinking about your idea, I have to say its a good one  : ok:

now all we have to do is convince the guys to get rid of Scott  :hihi:

I'm not a big VR fan, but I'd rather things stay the way they are.  There is *no way* the band you suggest could pull off any GnR song that Axl recorded without it being embarrassing.  "Dust 'n Bones," "14 years," etc. would be about it.

ahhh, and now for my reaction....
You must either be high or have no knowledge of the music business...
Did you know that Izzy's solo records have sold shit?
Did you know that Duff's solo records and projects have also sold shit?
Neither of them are frontmen...they are great at what they do, but neither are frontmen
DId you know? alot? of Velvet Revolvers fans are actually just Stone Temple Pilot fans? So with your way of thinking VR should just throw away half of their fan base...yeah thats brilliant. I am glad you are not their manager...
Yes I could have sworn I have heard of people playing guitar and singing at the same time...but that doesnt apply here, VR is an established act already who sold over 2 million copies of their first album in the U.S..If you fire Scott Weiland the second record wont sell a quarter of that.....The reason VR worked to begin with is because it blended together a successful late 80's band with an alternative style 90's band...The reason they were selling out shows before the record even came out was because they took advantage of 2 bands fanbases...To tell half your audience to fuck off(which is what firing Scott would do) would be beyond stupid...Look I gave you the option of saying you were high and blaming one of the dumbest topics ever on this board on drugs....I guess you are just an idiot....which is cool, because drugs are bad for you....

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Rock n' roll is not about business.
It is about music.
It is about doing what you love.

If you like GNR because it sells a lot, then I have no business talking to you.

I don't care if Izzy and Duff solo stuff didn't sell much. They are great! I love them all. Those guys are killer songwriters and that's all that matters.

I am talking about a dream band. It is not about pleasing the audience, it is not about this fanbase or that fanbase.

It is about writing, recording and performing great music. Making money and pleasing the audience is what 99% of the bands are about today. If you like it, good for you!

Oh, and thanks a lot for calling me an idiot! That was soooooo cool, it reminded me when I was 11 years old. Those were good days!

Luciano

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nice point.I can care less about album sales, I am with you on that....however it was not just about album sales,,I thought Scott Weiland(as much as I dislike him personally) and Dave Kushner brought an updated sound to the other guys..if you just replace them with Izzy it will just be Guns N Roses minus Axl...I liked the new dimension that Scott Weiland added....

A dream band would be Slash, Duff, Matt, Izzy and AXL! Period!

Yeah! Maybe they should just change the drummer and bring "that Steven Adler guy" back  : ok:


Yeah, it is not about album sales, it is about music, I guess we can all agree on that.

Then again, I don't give a damn about having an "update sound". If I were looking for update stuff I wouldn't be in a Guns n' Roses forum. I am looking for great rock n' roll music and those guys can deliver it anytime they want it. What you call "Guns n' Roses minus Axl" is a totally different animal than "Guns n' Roses". A band can be good with a different kind of frontman. Just watch the "reunion" gig (when Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt played two songs - Jumpin' Jack Flash - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRcYHRDwHE0 and Mr. Brownstone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQWNKD2718) on that Camp Freddy show and you will understand HOW different that band would be from Guns n' Roses. Just listen to how Izzy sings - he is not trying to emulate Axl or to sing like him, but, instead, he is singing the song in a whole different way - HIS way. And that sounds just great.

In a perfect world, Axl would be in that band. Oh, and "that Steven Adler guy" too...

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I love Velvet Revolver! Leave them just the way they are, even though I wouldn't be sad at all if Izzy were to replace Dave Kushner, but I don't see that happening anytime this century. I love Scott Weiland. He's an excellent frontman. I don't see anyone else fronting that band!

So your saying pleasing the audience isnt important? ooooook then

^ You know what he meant ;)

I can't see Izzy/Slash/Duff/drummer play GN'R songs without Axl, and if they'll ever get together and play again I'm sure they won't with maybe an exception for Brownstone or Used To Love Her etc.

But if they ever get together again I'd like to see them record and play original material. No point in doing the same old stuff over and over again. And they're all better musicians now then years ago. I love Izzy's solo stuff... over the years I've began to even like it a little more then the GN'R stuff. Izzy's my favorite type of music. But put him in a room with Slash and Duff you'd get incredible music too, no going wrong there. 8) It would be interesting to hear the Slash/Izzy combo and sound again after all these years.. damn I hope Izzy will release some of that stuff one day. Maybe Slash will when he'll release his all-guests solo album after VR, he recorded some stuff with Izzy for it too.

Weiland aint that bad really

thats true, but I guess what people are trying to say, is they'd prefer izzy and duff

I'm not one of them.  Although Weiland isn't on my list of favorite front men, I'd take him over Izzy and Duff any day of the week...

really? and specific reason?

Why he isn't one of my favorite frontmen, or why I'd take him over Izzy or Duff?

If it's the first:

It's all subjective, I know, but to me, Weiland has rarely achieved his own sound and indentity that would really set him apart from other well-known/legandary frontmen.? When STP first came out, the Pearl Jam/AIC knock-off comparisons were flying all over the place, and - truth be told - I agreed with them.? Not to say I didn't like STP - I really did, especially on the later albums - but I thought their initial sound was very derivative, just like many other bands of that time.

Solo stuff aside, what has he done post-STP?? Joined a band that is essentially Guns 'n Roses without Axl.? Big shoes to fill, and again, it's difficult for me not to make comparisons - (GnR without Axl singing?? No thanks)? I know that's not necessarily fair, but it's how I feel...given how subjective music can be, I'm not sure there's much I can do about it (just like I can't listen to Muse at all, given how much they sound like Radiohead to me).

I also recently saw a VR concert that was recorded in 2005...they were playing in Texas.? I dug Weiland's moves and stage presence and appreciated his vocal abilities, but overall, I thought the songs just didn't match the caliber of talent VR has.? I loved it when they played STP songs, but it didn't seem right seeing Axl and Duff play them.? Same thing when they covered GnR...just not the same.

I'm hoping that Libertad (did I spell that correctly?) shows an evolved VR that is more comfortable in its own skin, allows the band to really flex their muscles, and find their own identity musically.? Then again, it could be the problem lies totally with me not being able to get past the GnR/STP comparisons...?

If it's the second, Weiland is a solid singer with great stage presence and a much better range than either Izzy or Duff - again - more engaging and entertaining to watch as well.? Again, just my opinion? :peace:

yeah, i was asking about the second one, and that is the reason i thought the idea was crazy at first, Izzy and  Duff probably couldn't front a band as effectively as Scott.

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It is impossible not to please the audience when you have Izzy, Duff and Slash on the same band sharing the stage. You don't need no pyro, you don't need no 20 additional musicians, and you don't need a tormented lead singer to please an audience. Great rock n' roll can please a lot of people.


Same here!!!!



Is there a Slash solo album on the making? I have never heard anything about it!

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Oops.  Ignore my long-winded answer to the first part, then.     :peace:

Weiland is a tool. Billy Idol would've been better.

I seem to recall seeing video of VR doing "It's So Easy" at some point.  Here's a few I dug up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGlDrviPSYg
---Band sounds good.  Scott can't do the vocals, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTEmoFYg3Q
---This one appears proshot, with good sound.  The band sounds tight...but Scott cannot pull off the vocals.  He doesn't even try for most of the high parts.  It's understandable, as in this vid, he's clearly confused as to whether he's Scott Weiland, Axl Rose, or Rob Halford.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Igcp636odM
---Nothing special about this one except he replaces "I see you standing there, you think you're so cool, why don't you just fuck off" with "I see you standing there, in an Axl Rose t shirt, why don't you just fuck off"...which raises another point.

Does it seem to anyone else that a decent amount of the animosity between Axl and the VR guys seems stirred up by Scott?  Why doesn't HE just fuck off, and get his nose out of GNR business?  I don't see the new GNR guys talking shit about Slash (despite the fact that they have to deal with MUCH more shit from the crowd, etc., in terms of "we want slash" chants). 

I just cant bring myself to like velvet revolver, no matter how hard i try and it kills me coz i love slash and duff.

Don't feel bad. I tried hard to like it too. And I was also a Stone Temple Pilots fan.  :(

I'm ok with it.  It's not the best thing I've heard, but it beats most of the crap MTV pushes at us by a long shot.  Though, I'd like to see Slash really tear it up on their next album.

Now that I definitely agree with. I'd rather listen to Slash & the boys with VR anyday of the week than that MTV crap.

Same here.  There's very little memorable or unique about Contraband, except for perhaps one or two tracks.  The songs sound very mediocre to me, and I would've expected far better from the talent VR has.  Maybe we'll see a different side on Libertad.

Speaking of Libertad, and I have no idea if this has been discussed before, but does anyone think/know that the title of that upcoming album is meant as a mockery of GNR and/or Chinese Democracy?  Libertad translates as "freedom", democracy is associated with freedom...you see where I'm going.  Probably a stretch...

no i dont think it is a stretch at all, just like the toyed with the idea of using hip hop producers, something they ridiculed
Axl for over 10 years ago when he brought it up

An excellent point.  I failed to realize that VR working with hip-hop producers directly goes against the problems/issues they had with Axl wanting to add new sounds to GnRs repertoire after UYI I & II.

Now all we need is for someone to say that this proves Slash & Co. are somehow extending the olive branch to Axl by doing this (admitting they were wrong back in the day), therefore making a reunion emminent...(heavy, heavy sarcasm).

Slash & Co. are extending the olive branch!  Reunion is imminent! 

There...I said it!  Doesn't make it true, though.  I need a beer.  :beer:

Hey, it had to be said.  I'm just glad it wasn't me that said it.

Good idea about that beer, by the way...    :beer:

Well see, that's the problem. Axl needs them to admit they were completely wrong, and Slash needs Axl to admit he was completely wrong, and they're no where close to that.

When they get 'broke' enough, they'll put their guns down.

No pun intended, right?    :hihi:

Hah, no. Izzy's gonna snatch them, and give them to the Guns for Guns N' Roses tickets fund.  : ok:

Id have to agree with luciano..who gives a shit how well something sells..some shit band could have one good filler n all fillers besides that n theyre album could sell well..does that make it good music no lol the world today is fucked..i wouldnt give to shits if i was the only one who bought the album that doesnt make it bad music