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What do you think? If the music was recored four years ago? How easily would it be to re-do the parts? They haven't gotten a replacement, so....


Mysteron???

I think that they would re-record Bucket's parts on the album,I mean who would want a former band member's guitar parts on a new album,but what the hell do I know,I'm just a crazy fan like everyone else here :beer:

Tommy said the music essentially done 4 years ago. The latest sessions were just tinkering apparently(Tommy mentioned that he went in some interlude filling) so I guese Bucket is still on the album.

something tells me that they are removing bucket's parts...i read somewhere a few weeks ago that tobias or somebody was back in the studio, as well as fortus or finck...probably to re-record bucket's parts or something....

Did brain say in dec of 2006 that some songs BH wrote will be on the album. I  think he will stay esp if he wrote some of the music for the song. If still gets royalties even if his parts are rerecorded.

Are you really Michael J. Fox Dave? Can you give us the year in review for music?

Yeah, I remember when he said that. Its only logical that BH would be on at least certain songs on the album. Hopefully him and Axl came to some sort of an agreement before his departure.

well  if i remember correctly brain didn`t know anything and just guessed.... are you talkin about the sp1at interview (i think it was sp1at) sp1at told him that there`d be 5 rockers on the record according to the ross halfin statement and suggested four ones (chidem, IRS, etc....) and then brain was like: "yeah i`m not sure. the fifth one could be one of the rockers bucket wrote."     so i don`t think what brain said was realy credible....

after hearing that there are only 32 songs i think it`s possible that they scrapped the songs that bucket mainly wrote.... and the solos and stuff he recorded for other ones will stay on the album.

I'm not exited to hear Buckethead on a GN'R album. Really, I'm not. Richard and Robin write much better solos, more melodic and with more feeling (and more bluesy!).

Thats a shocking statement coming from you. :hihi:

Right.  ::)

 :rant: I can't stand shit head!

I want to hear Buckethead on the album, but I doubt we will.

I want to hear BH on the albums and I think the odds are short.

Some of Richard mails sorta suggested it. Whether things changed since then or not,
We haven't heard otherwise from the members yet.

Unless they got Yngwie or Paul Gilbert, the parts will be on there because certainly nobody in this band can do the Bucket justice.

Yngwie? Gimme a break! Axl called Buckethead because of the bizarre sounds, not only because he was super-fast shredder.

buckethead has a unique sound,so to get rid of his parts would almost change the whole sound of what CD used to sound like.if they have got rid of his parts then it would take a lot of work to re record some stuff nomatter how good robin n richie are.but i cant see axl keeping the parts if buckethead is no longer with GNR.

I dont care one way or the other, im just happy he left and so it seems the rest of the band aswell.

My question is how can they not be there.. I don't think axl could do what he planned without him..

Wow, I cant believe this question costed a million dollars.  You must be very rich.

Mike, how could Axl depend on buckets work if hes so hard to work with, I just think bucket thought hay! here's my chance to get some exposure, I'll tour with these guys, get my name out there, get  free advertising and bail. I'm not gonna say the guy can't play cause we all know he can flat out tear it up. I never thought there was any chemistry with bucket and the rest of the band. Now that he's gone, things will be better for the whole band.

I'm sure Axl has changed alot of things since Buckets departure :yes:     

Axl and the band don't need Buckethead to make good music. Buckethead was not a vital member.

I agree 200% ;)

You have this weird fixation with Buckethead. It cant just be that you dont like him, because if that was the case, you wouldn't bring him up in every single one of your posts.

Just like his weird fixation with Richard. Its like hes in love. :yes:

A good friend of mine and Buckets , Syd Garron made a couple comments over at buckethead.tk that I found interesting ...

"I actually got to hear a little bit of it a couple years back. There were no vocals on it. I only heard one or two tracks and only once (and it was a while ago). If memory serves it sounded more like good regular hard rock album and less like BH. BH's riff was really good but it wasn't ultra heavy like Spokes or Deli Creeps."

Then I brought up Tommys comments about bucket being hard to work with , to which he replied ,

"Well Tommy can have his opinion but the simple fact of the matter is BH has played on about 170 different records with dozens of bands. Tommy has played in about two. So he probably can't be too difficult now can he?

I have no idea about BH's parts remaining on the album. After a decade of recording who knows? I bet the engineers and producers don't even know who recorded what anymore. My guess is that BH is so prolific that he must have recorded something they just can't live without. We might never know.-syd"

http://bucketheadland.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1137176972&page=2

 :peace:
   

Good find, Saul. But you know what still puzzles me about this? Everytime someone hears something from the album, there's never any vocals. Does Axl only hand out instrumentals for people to listen to? Or is it something more sinister? :hihi:

Well it was a couple years ago though and I think the band pretty much recorded most of the material without hearing any vocals beforehand , maybe if lucky sometimes a "scratch" vocal just to get a sence of the melody.

But what I like about Syd's quote is that it shows Buckethead could , can and will sometimes play in a different style to suit the song.  : ok:

And he really hit the nail on the head when saying buckethead has worked with dozens of bands and I've neve heard a bad word about him other then from Stinson.  ???

peace.

Ever think that maybe he was hard to work with the guys in guns? I mean most of the guys bucket has worked with arent really the same type of people that is in guns. And he did demand that a chicken coup be built in the studio for him afterall. Doesn't that seem weird to you? I know if I was Tommy I'd be thinking this guy is a fuckin nut job.

I really am confused as to why so many hardcore gunners can be so negative about bucket and so many bots can be so negative about Axl Rose. Personally, it was the perfect symbiosis of characters and talent. I will miss this relationship.

Well, Tommy is Axl's lap dog, isn't he? :hihi: If Axl told Tommy to go eat a Big Mac, not only would he do it, but he would dress up like Ronald Mcdonald while eating the big Mac. :rofl:

Ummm, if Axl Rose is your lead singer, I would think eccentric behavior would be embraced, not frowned upon.

Uh were talking about Tommy not Axl. We all know Axl loved bucket and did whatever he could to keep him in the band. But the fact remains the other members of the band didn't like/get along with the bucket. After all him and Robin couldn't even be in the same room together most of the time because they would tear each other apart if they were.

I would have to know specifically what the problems were in order to take a side.  But this issues, if they are what I think they are, probably should have been anticipated.

Did Robin and Bucket really not like each other? Or is that just a rumor?

Bucket is a KFC man, while Robin is a Popeye's Chicken and Biscuits man. Their personalities had to clash, for obvious reasons. :hihi:

im sick of nesquick saying the same thing....
but im so sure when cd drops you will love all the songs and in these songs Bh will have credit...
BH is great player and writer... one of the best in last 15 years, maybe you wont hear him in cd as a guitar player (i doubt it he will appear cuz he rules), but he was a seminal part of the writing in the project so after all you will hear his ideas...

 

isn?t the topic "gnr" kinda banned at buckethead.tk?

   wtf?

I think the million-dollar question is still:

"When is 'Chinese Democracy' coming out?"

:rofl:
nice joke!? : ok:

I doubt it since the admin of the site is saying that.

I guess you thought of the bucketheadland com. ;)

Like the rest of us I havent heard a single note.

but it wiould make sense to keep some of Buckets better stuff on there & let Fortus & finck re record some of BHs solos that sound out of place. From the live stuff Ive heard from 01 and 02 sometimes Bucket really brings a song to the next level, and sometimes it just doesnt fit with the rest of the song. List him as a guest musician & be done with it.

Laugh all you want but he couldnt play RIR4 without him. What does that say about his confidence in Finck and Fortus?

Axl seems to really want a 3 guitar lineup , be it buckethead or someone else as that 3rd player. It's kinda obvious. And you can bash Buckethead all you like to the point of annoyance , but the fact remains to anyone with open eye's and ears that Buckethead is worlds apart from a robin finck or a richard fortus in terms of guitar playing.

And between Fortus and Finck , Fortus seems like the obviously better player. IMHO Robin is the true weak link of new GNR , just trailing behind Pittman.

well i agree with you about rir4, but axl neither wants a 3 guitar line up at this point ( it seems so, but we`ll see what happens : ok:  perhaps he wants bucket back,  but bucket doesn`t...), nor is robin the weak line of gnr. i think robin was a very essential part of the song writing.


his chidem solo sucked REALLY ( in most cases...)

:beer:

I wouldnt be so sure , Richard recently commented that even he wasnt sure what was gunna happen with the sharing of "leads" live because there may be a 3rd guitarist added. As for Bucket , Axl probably wishes he never let him go , but I'm sure Bucket is glad he;s out and you wont see him back. There isnt a leatherface doll rare enough for him to rejoin the madness I dont think. (anythings possible I guess)

As much as I love BH, I can't imagine him in GNR without Robin.

A band is a team. Music is harmony.

Being asked an advice for the younger generation of musicians,
J P J said
"Think not just how you should sound... but how the band should sound and work towards that."

Why should you side against a part so much.

It's a fascinating conundrum. Buckethead was an integral part of New GN'R; probably the only member of the new band that had comparable image recognition to Slash (try looking at silhouettes of the band members old and new; which ones are instantly recognizable to someone who isn't a full-time GN'R fan? Bucket N' Slash...), an essential element of the band's sound, and far and away the most technically accomplished musician in the group. Now, whether or not you like the guy, you can't really argue with that.

With the best will in the world, I don't think Finck or Fortus are capable of playing Buckethead's parts (like, say, the Nightrain outro), but equally, getting a new guitarist would mean a lot of hassle, rehearsals and the like. Then there's the question of whether the new guy would rework Bucket's parts on the album, or just play them live (which is a bit insulting to the new guy, and doesn't make him feel like part of the band). I'd like to see an answer one way or the other, because they can't realistically talk about releasing the album or touring until they've settled this question...

SG

Bravo!!!!  : ok:


If a new guy had to play Bucketheads parts live then so be it. I'm sure he would be made well aware of that before accepting the gig. The band had to go out in 2002 and play slash & co. parts right? Damn well sure they will have to again on any new tours.

And I agree that Fortus or Finck just are NOT capable of playing anything that Buckethead records in which he puts his technical side into. Common blues phrases and simple pentatonic shit , sure ... but once we get into blistering chromatics and 8 finger tapping and wide stretch intervals , those guys just dont have the chops , hell there arent too many players the world over that does have his chops and utter mastery of the guitar.

his chidem solo sucked REALLY ( in most cases...)

almost all his own solo on the new songs trully sucked. That was weird, he did a massacre of Ryhad and The bedouins. I think it's a great song, but then you've got this bizaroide buckethead's solos, and the songs turns to shit. It sounds like a martian is playing, not a human beeing. Same for the song "Chinese Democracy", his solo is all but melodious. It's all you want, but it's not what I would calla melodic guitar solo. It's like a bizare noise, like E.T or fucking Rozwell picking up a guitar, but it's not human guitar solos. It's like a robot. I don't know what's his goal. I don't know why he voluntary did a massacre of the word "melody".

You kno what's a really good guitar player? It's a guy who can blow you away with just one note. Not 10 thousands, just one. The right note at the ryght time in the right song. Something terrific. Let me tell you that's "something" Buckethead is unable to do. That's why he never were famous, still is not famous, and probably never will. He is not able to thrill people. He just doesn't have "it". End of story.

Uhm.. Isn't it Robin Finck that plays the Chinese Democracy solo?

The first part is ok (hight notes), it's Robin and it's ok, then in a second part, Buckethead plays it...and it's a massacre.

Sorry, my bad.

They did that a few times on the 2002 tour, but is it really that bad?

Well, I don't think so, but everyone have their own opinion.

the first part is imo one of your "right note at the right time in the right song" experiences : ok:   

the second part isn?t necessarily bad....it just doesn?t fit

My opinion: Hope not.. It's not because Buckethead is Buckethead, but I think that it's not a good idea to keep his parts on CD since he left the group.

Well, like Dizzy said before, there's like 2 or 3 versions of each song. I'm sure some of the Buckethead's solo can be replaced by Richard or Robin... Even if Bucket parts would still make it on the album (wich I trully hope), they could play the solos with their own style (like they did with some of the Slash solos).

Afterall, blistering chromatics and 8 finger tapping and wide stretch interval are not needed in every song. I guess we will not see that much on the album anyways.

I have a sneaking suspicion that will be proven correct as well. Buckethead must have layed down at least one track or solo that is just beyond impressive that Axl must be hell bent to keep.

I have no idea if Buckethead's work will stay on the album completely, or just select works..but if he's been scrapped. it's been done quickly if onely 6 songs remain to be completed.

I think Ozzy had a few comments about Bucket last year when they tried to collaborate... :hihi:

anyway, i think buckets parts will be on the album, why? well the guy is a one of a kind guitar player with hundred times more caracter than fink or fortus combined and to drop his awsome work because he's not in the band anymore is just stupid. he can have his parts there just like brian may can or shaq or whatever axl thinks sound cool...

To answer the million dollar question... I really hope not. I, personally, never felt that Buckethead's playing contributed anything positive to GN'R's "new" sound. I was quite relieved when he left the band and I think they're a better band for it.

I believe that Finck and Fortus are more than capable of handling all guitar duties on Chinese Democracy and I am hoping they will replace any creative parts made and played by Buckethead.

You are so right. One day my wish is that Buckethead will become the prolific writer robin is , record as many albums as robin , tour as much as robin , become as well known as robin and work with as many people robin has.

Robn Finck , the greatest unknown of all time.  : ok:

Btw , have you ever heard the albums colma and/or electric tears? I only ask cause your talking about slow melodic playing , as if it's something Bucket is incapable of. Really though , have you heard anything off either of these albums? I dont usually make a point of asking someone to go steal Buckets music but since you wouldnt actually buy either album I beg you to go download some tracks off either album , electric tear or colma , then come back and say Buckethead cant play in a slow melodic way.

LMFAO.

I wish there was a topic about Buckethead without dissing Robin. :no:

I wish there was a topic about Robin without dissing Buckethead. It does work both way you know.

And I'll add this , both guitarists MUST have their strong points or axl would not have kept them around and/or hired them in the first place.  : ok:

 :peace:

No, most of the topics about Robin disses Robin, lol.
But I agree with you, both guitarists have strong and UNIQUE points. : ok:

really?? I'm thinking the exact opposite, i think bucket was the one that really brought something new to the whole gn'r circus, i mean, noone sounds like bucket... i don't think finck or fortus suck or anything like that, but they are nothing compared to bucket, nada!

i must say that brain is the second dude in the band to really add, or change if you will, something to the sound, he has some cool breaks, and the brownstone intro is just wicked! : ok:

I agree here, but what on earth did Axl mean when he said it presented them with the opportunity to "take the recording to the next level"?

I think alot of people overlook the more textural/ambient contributions that BH could add - we all know he shreds like a mother, but I think there is much more he offers CD that would be hard to simply replace

Let's put it this way:

If everyone in the band left at that point (minus Dizzy, of course), Axl would have said the turn of events presented them with the opportunity to take things to the next level.

No, I think Buckethead parts gettin erased was a big part of the latest delay...

really?, why?

Would it take two years to rerecord buckets parts? do you believe that fortus(he's the only one we know are back in the studio) is capable of handeling buckets empty spots and not just cover them?

With the amount of time they spend on the record i'm sure there were multiple solo's and guitar parts from each player. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no buckethead parts on the record.

Axl seems hell bent on making GNR a 'real' band, with equal contributions from everyone. If they haven't actually found a new guitar player yet i would assume they are not going to because judging from axl's recent comments the record is in the home stretch. If they had another guitar player axl would want his parts included on the record.

So i'm assuming very little if any buckethead parts are on the record.

Maybe Richard needed those 2 years to get as good as bucket and be able to mimic his style and be able to come up with stuff that he would've come up with.

After all, in one of his emails he said none of his own parts are on anything he's heard.

well i really like bucket and own most of his solo albums( well well well..), but i think his melodic, slow songs often get boring..... it`s a matter of taste i guess....

well....  now there?s the question whats better, playing with 130 bands on one record or with few bands on more stuff?.... well i don`t mean better...... but the fact that bucket worked on 130 records doesn?t really proove he`s easy to work with... but it doesn`t matter to me anyway. he`s a musician and there`s no reason he has to be a normal kind of guy and he doesn`t has to get aloing with anyone....it`s the music that counts : ok:

 I don't think BH's parts will feature on CD

When you check Buckethead's website in the FAQ it says:

16) What bands or artists has Buckethead recorded/performed with?

This ever increasing list includes Deli Creeps, Henry Kaiser, Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Praxis, Jonas Hellborg, Michael Shrieve, MCM and the Monster, Tony Williams (w/ Arcana), Giant Robot, Giant Robot 2, Primus, Zillatron, Painkiller, John Zorn, Company Week '91, Anton Fier, Julian Schnabel, Insvisibl Skratch Piklz, Michael Kamen, George S. Clinton, Pieces (Buckethead and Brain), Cobra Strike, Viggo Mortensen, El Stew, Ben Wa, Mike Keneally, Iggy Pop, Banyan, phonosychographDISK, DJ QBERT, William Ackerman, Jon Hassell and Bluescreen... There are several discographies available at Bucketheadland.com.

The site doesn't mention GN'R anywhere, but it used to mention GN'R there in that list as well, but that is gone now. So Buckethead just doesn't wanna be associated with GN'R? Or are there really no recordings with GN'R anymore? That would mean his parts were re-recorded or the arrangements were changed...

What do you think?

Hmm.
Hard to say... i guess time will tell. I really like Bucketsmeds parts.. It fuels everyting up...
It seams like dont wanne get associated with guns, just like u say..

We have no way of knowing. But the title of this tread is unfounded.

See? I hate that... I hope the parts don't get re-recorded... put a further delay on CD, why don't ya.  Release the damn thing, already Axl!!!

Even if they replaced Bucketheads parts he would still be on the list because he STILL recorded with them.

Buckethead just doesn't want to be associated with GN'R

Diz and Brain said his parts are staying. There is no point in taking out his parts esp if he helped write the songs, he still gets credit for writing the song even if they redo his parts

that would be horrible news< Bucket OWNS "Better" and I cant imagine his part not being on that song, what a total letdown it would be and id curse the day I heard the demo if his amazing guitar parts are cut out.

What I don't get is why Buckethead does not want to mentioned in the same breath as Guns N' Roses?

I mean parting is one thing, but it's not like you have to be ashamed of, huh? There's like a dozen guitar players as good or better than Buckethead who would be proud to be associated with Guns...

And when he acts like "I don't want to have anything to do with GN'R" I doubt Axl would leave his parts on the album, because it's a slap in the face not only for the band, but for the material.

So, from a logical point of view, his parts must be gone because he is gone. Or his parts stay because he never left.

But that "parts stay - player gone" doesn't make much sense to me.

It's not THAT hard to re-write guitar parts...

I guess with any luck, if Axl planned to have the parts re-done, the parts have already been re-done, so that we won't have to wait another 10 years for CD.  ::)

I don't think BH wants any association with GNR whatsoever, that's fairly evident. ?

I could care less if his parts stay at this point, I'd be fine with Robin doing every lead on the record.

Well - he didn't mention he played with GNR and we know he did - so the entry means nothing

I hope u are joking falcon.

Finck :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: every lead :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

Finck has been great on the demos. His solo on TWAT is amazing.

Finck is a great lead player, so is Richard.   GNR will be fine  :peace:

Nope, not joking. ?

I've always dug Robin, his involvement in GNR is what got me re-interested in the band. ?

I did think the 3 guitarist idea was a bad one and 2 lead players is also a bad idea in my opinion, so I think this will work out great for the band in the long run.


Im keepin an open mind with Robin and will reserve judgement till after the CD comes out.

I quite liked having solos from all three players on the 2002 tour.   They each have their own styles and it just mixes things up nicely.

That would be the best thing if Buckethead's parts were replaced.  He's no longer in the band  and he's mediocre.   

^^^ Agreed. Buckethead does not fit into Guns N' Roses and his playing consists of ''bloop'' over and over fast as he can. Finck has been excellent in the demos but he's sloppy live because he doesn't concentrate. So I hope Buckethead's parts are re-recorded because it will improve 'IRS' and 'Better' intensley.

well I think it's good if they are removed only if axl isn't getting a third fuitar player....

The news guys left aren't going to be playing the end or irs the way it was meant to be, and am sure there are other songs out there requiring the same talent... Remember axl couldn't play rio 3 without buckethead with a few months left to prepare for one show

we don't really know why buckethead left gnr and why he doesn't want to be associated with gnr.
but i think his parts should stay on cd if we want the album to have a fresh sound.
many people don't like him because he makes use of the new tehnology, uses a lot of effects on his guitar playing, and gnr fans would rather have a classic guitar player like slash.
we'll see if buckethead is still on cd when it's out : ok:

whitesnake recorded their 1987 album with john sykes on guitar, but he and coverdale parted ways before it was released.

 so when the videos and touring began i think it was adrian vanderberg and later steve vai who played the parts.

sykes was credited in the the liner notes with song writing and guitar playing on the rcord.

there's no reason why this can't happen again, although if axl wants a replacement i hope he has done so already........

Buckethead absolutely stole the show musically on IRS and TWAT.  Taking his solos out would hurt both of those songs tremendously.  One of the coolest moments on all the new songs is Axl's screaming "It's a crime you know it's truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue!" with Buckethead's solo kicking in at the same time on IRS.  And his outro on TWAT is magnificent

that's how I feel but why start off a new band with an album filled will killer solos that aren't going to be done by him? As much as I feel BH stole the vmas and did great work (saved irs) I feel if he's not in the band then why bother using his material ,why have the band shine without even being in it..? It's like you hear the solo in Cd and you know he's not playing because it's bad

can i also say from a musicians point of view technicall finck is utter shite at the guitar and could never pull anything that was remotely hard that either buckethead or slash for that matter played.

this probably means axl need a new guitarist, because with what he has, if the solos were redone, they would be missing that "wow" factor.

not that i don't like fink, i do, but i see him as strictly rythmn he don't wanna make it cry or sing  ;)

Buckethead maybe well be in the dark as to wheather his guirtar parts will stay intact on CD. If they do remain, then i guess he will had GnR to his site. If Buckethead is not on CD, then i will download the album and not buy it  ;D

Using BH's parts would be ridiculous since he left the band more than 2 years ago. If his parts are great, then everybody will miss him. If his parts are not that great, everybody will wonder why his work stayed on the album.

On the other hand, without BH, CD won't have any quality guitarist. I understand it's hard for Axl to decide...

Look - I really hope SOME of his stuff IS redone. Some of his licks are good, ie - that really fast, biting descending riff leading into the chorus on Better. But some is just terrible, ie - the fast, trademark Buckethead going nowhere main solo on Better, ehich is actually in a different key at one part, and just ruins the melody of the song. I really hope they take that shit off. And for me, this song highlights the strengths and weaknesses of Buckethead as a whole.

 (And another thing.....)

Anyone notice that Buckethead's best work is during Nightrain live and Paradise City at the VMAs?

The point I'm making is that he's not much of a songwriter, or much good at coming up with his own original melodies. Look at the recent GNR demos to see what I mean - his solos go nowhere. But when the melodies are already there to provide a skeleton or structure for him to do his wee fiddly solos round, it actually works fuckin good. see Nightrain - mindblowing solos.

This website has turned into a Buckethead fan club. ?" Buckethead rules " ? "Slash sucks" ?Axl better leave Buckethead guitars parts in ?or else the album will suck" ? " Buckethead is the greatest guitarist ever" Buckethead is God" ?Buckethead invented music" ? ? This place is becoming a joke. ?get this through your head ?Buckethead didn't write any of these new songs ?NONE!! ? . ? All he does is noodle ?on solos that aren't supposed to have it. ?And when he tries to play a melodic soulful solo ?it sucks . Many of you are saying that the other guitarists can't play BH solos. ?Why would they want to??? ?This is a Rock n' Roll band ? not a circus. ? Real guitarists don't hold puppets and wear masks while singing along to ODB.

You are saying the same thing over and over again, if you don't like it here, then go.

Let's be serious, I promize you not to bash Buckethead here, but just to speack about THE MUSIC.

So do you think there's just Buckethead who can play fast? Do you think it's that difficult to play fast? Have you ever played guitar? There are tons of guitar players (and amateurs ones) who play fast as hell. The real genius is in the feeling, the melody, the songwriting. None of the greatest guitar solo and mesmorizing ones are fast: Stairway to heaven Hey Joe, Sweet Child Of Mine, Hotel California Bohemian Rhapsody or guitar players like, Mark Knopfler, Eric Clapton, Santana, Page, Slash etc... it's all about the feeling, the melody, the vibe, that's where the real genious is.

Do you really think only Buckethead is able to play fast in this new band? ok, Listen to that Richard Fortus outro on the Blues (Toronto'02), and now tell me that guy can't play fast as hell too---> http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3Q4ZEC9GPP8WI2P55CAA9P2EFJ

He can. And I'm sure Robin can too. Do you think The Buckethead's solo are that difficult to play on "Better" or "There was a time"? Anything of Jazz is way more difficult to play. I think you are way too impressed by things that are not that impressive when you really practize music.

Fortus and Finck can do the job. I think A LOT of people on this board will be really surprised when they will hear Fortus taking the lead and doing crazy guitar solos. Who do you think this guy is? Do you think Axl chose to take him in the band if he wasn't a killer guitar player? Dudes, he is. and he can play fast as hell too.

I'm curious... was any of Izzy's stuff left on the Illusions?  He left the band before they were released.  If Izzy's stuff is there, then I can't see why Axl would insist that Bucket's parts be re-done (unless they already have been).

hey swingtrader,

i have no allegiance to any guitarist, but i favour slash as he is more to my taste. the things you say about bh could have been said in 1986/7/8 about slash. i.e whats with the top hat, this is supposed to be rock???? is that the mark of a "real guitarist"?

the fact remains, no one in gnr right now can play the bh solos, they just cant. no one is technically profficient (sp?) enough to do it.

i agree that bh didn't write any of the songs, although i don't think it is all axl either.

i think what probably happened is axl "borrrowed" some of the music at times from the collaborations he had
with the other people he jammed with brian may, wylde etc. this isn't a bad thing, he probably heard them play it and had an idea in his head of a twist or change to it.

axl is a talented guy, but i don't think everything is done by him....

izzys stuff was on illusions yes.

i also thought that izzy properly left afetr a few shows of the illusions tour and therefore afetr the cd's were out?

Izzy left after the UYIs came out. Not 2 years before.

Ah you're right on that one... Illusions came out in September, Izzy left in November. ?: ok:

Ole Mr.Buckethead ... never would I had thought another guitarist could leave GNR and cause almost as much conversation (good and bad) as our dearly beloved Slash!!

Guess that in itself says alot about Bucket right there and how he creates a love or hate relationship with gunners be it through his actual playing or for most gunners through vanity reasons because of his costume.

Why arent there new Paul Tobias threads daily?!

saul? that is a crazy statement, only we the message board fans care that BH is gone since we could see the potential and know what could have been.. We know his parts on those leaks were very interesting so we assume to say Cd will be the same, but will suck if his parts are out... But in relation to slash leaving gnr that was global, gnr loosing slash to many is like any great band loosing their top well known guitar player.. Not trying to down play BH but his mark in the gnr world is so small there's not even a comparison

Because Paul Tobias is boring..

The only part that I disagree with you is that the Better BH solo is the best thing they could put there... I can't imagine something to replace that amazing machine gun effect...
Although, on TWAT I don't think we have Buckethead there... The guitar style sounds like Fortus on the middle solo and Robin on the outro.

"16) What bands or artists has Buckethead recorded/performed with?

This ever increasing list includes Deli Creeps, Henry Kaiser, Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Praxis, Jonas Hellborg, Michael Shrieve, MCM and the Monster, Tony Williams (w/ Arcana), Giant Robot, Giant Robot 2, Primus, Zillatron, Painkiller, John Zorn, Company Week '91, Anton Fier, Julian Schnabel, Insvisibl Skratch Piklz, Michael Kamen, George S. Clinton, Pieces (Buckethead and Brain), Cobra Strike, Viggo Mortensen, El Stew, Ben Wa, Mike Keneally, Iggy Pop, Banyan, phonosychographDISK, DJ QBERT, William Ackerman, Jon Hassell and Bluescreen... There are several discographies available at Bucketheadland.com"

maybe 15 dates on a defunked tour doesn't count ????
I haven't gone in search of the demos (not interested in demos) but I don't believe that was any sort of official release either so, technically...maybe that doesn't count when your in the coop :hihi:
For me, I'm going to have to flip a coin when this CD drops and BH isn't on it...as much as I like Tommy Stinson...I don't know...have to wait and see

Are you saying your not interested in the demos because you want to wait for the cd, or you just dont generally care about the new songs? Cause if you're waiting for the record, I give you credit for waiting, but if you just dont care then you should really check them out cause they are really good.

when i got to see the new GnR back in 2002 Tobias was on stage (i think it was him) and he was putting a lot of effort it, although i could not work out what sound he was making. When Buckethead was playing i could tell, when Robin was playing i could tell, when Tobias was playing i wasn't hearing much.

"Are you saying your not interested in the demos because you want to wait for the cd, or you just dont generally care about the new songs?"

A -- waiting for some official release...(CD)

I didnt mention anything outside of the online fanbase .. infact thats exactly what I was talking about!  :peace:

Info from GnRonTour.com

08.31.91 - Wembley Stadium, London, England
opening acts: Nine Inch Nails, Skid Row
set: Perfect Crime, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Welcome To The Jungle, Live And Let Die, Dust N' Bones, Double Talkin' Jive, Civil War, I Was Only Joking [Intro] / Patience, You Could Be Mine, November Rain, Nightrain, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Sail Away Sweet Sister / Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, 14 Years, My Michelle, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Estranged, Paradise City
attendance: 76,000
audio/video recording?: audio, video
notes: Izzy's last show as a band member. Footage of 'Live And Let Die' is used on the '91 MTV Video Music Awards show. Axl dedicates DTJ to Kerrang Magazine. Before YCBM, Axl rhymes, "It ain't no crime to bounce a dime, buy our new single You Could Be Mine." Axl thanks the crowd for helping make the Paradise City video 3 years before at Donington.



12.05.91 -- Worcester Centrum Centre, Worcester, MA
opening act: Soundgarden
set: Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Attitude, Double Talkin' Jive, Civil War, Bad Obsession, Wild Horses [Intro] / Patience, You Could Be Mine, So Fine, It's So Easy, Move To The City, Don't Cry, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Piano Solo, November Rain, Rocket Queen [w/ It Tastes Good, Don't It?], Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door
encore 1: Estranged
encore 2: Mother [Intro] / Paradise City
audio/video recording?: audio
notes: This is the first show since the release of Use Your Illusion. It's also Gilby Clarke's first show with the band. Axl says that the 'Live And Let Die' video will be premiering next Sunday. The first live performances of 'Attitude,' 'So Fine' & 'Wild Horses.' Slash introduces 'Move To The City' as "It's So? not, I screwed up already, ok this is Move To The City!" 'Pretty Tied Up' is started after the 'Godfather Theme' but is stopped. During 'Rocket Queen,' Axl says he smells some marijuana. Slash says he doesn't like to discriminate against any particular city's rock n' roll crowd "but you guys kick some fuckin' ass!"

The only way they wouldn't use Bucketheads parts on the album is if it really is true that Slash is back in the band. Only then would the lead guitar be re-recorded (by Slash).

...but lets face it. This is not likely.

I don't think Axl will re-record Buckethead's parts.. I think Buckethead's playing style is too unique. Although him and Axl aren't on the best of terms right now, I'd assume Axl would have the respect enough of Bucket's talent and leave his work on the album.

The reason Buckethead doesn't mention Gnr on his website is because him and Axl Rose are "bitter enemies" at this point in time, and that is coming from someone in the Buckethead camp....

I thought Axl still likes BH but was pissed that he just up and quit. Also if BH wrote a lot of the guitar parts for the album, I dont see what the point of rerecording his parts would do since he still gets royalties for writing the song.

I believe the guy I talked too, I talked to him for about 15 minutes about Bh after the show in Detroit and bought the guy a couple drinks. I tried my best at prying C.D info, C.D tracks, and anything else gnr related from him. His quoute was that "Axl and Buckethead are bitter enemies, they only talk through attornys."

Oh I dont doubt that, but when I say Axl still likes BH, I wonder if BH wanted to come back if Axl would take him back. Because it seems that Tommy and Robin both hate the guy with  a passion.

People like to act like losing Buckethead wasn't a big deal... well, it was. I would really like to know the full story on how Bucket's relationship with the band broke down.... I'd love to see him come back. But, now I think that's next to impossible, the guy I was talking to from the BH camp had no reason to lie about it. All he kept talking about was Axl's scheduling demands, and how Axl wanted everything to be perfect, and how he'd make Bucket do like 3 solos for the same part of one song, stuff along the perfectionist lines... then maybe BH wouldn't show for recording sessions to piss off Axl... who knows what really happened.

Buckethead likes to record like 8 albums a year, I can see how it would  get bored and pissed off with how long it has taken Axl to put out this album. Thats the main reason why I think BH left, because BH joined in 1999 and it was 2002 and still no album, in that time BH must  have put out atleasts 15 solo albums.

I'll openly admit that I love Buckethead.. but I am sad to say that I don't think he was ever fully committed to Gnr, I think the biggest thing behind him joining the band was for him to show he played with a Mega-band and to get more exposure. I think when he was paid to work with Axl, he probably did some awesome guitar work... but I don't think his heart was ever really into guns, if it was.. SOMETHING had to happen that made it grow cold, I wish we'd get more of the story but neither Axl or Buckethead really likes to talk.. ha ha.

I think BH did it for the exposure and getting a better record deal. I think he was only it for the the three album thing. If you think about it, if they really dropped the first album in 2001, BH would have been out of gnr by now anyways. Because the albums would have dropped in 2001, 2003 and 2005 or something like that.

BH gets bored easily. He was only in primus for a short time, he did his thing with praxis got bored, he did his gnr gig and got bored. I think he likes doing his solo stuff the best.

Buckethead is a strange dude... no argument there. He was never in Primus.. he just did a few side projects with Les Claypool and toured with him. I'm hoping Buckethead got pissed because his guitar work was so good, that he couldn't understand the reason for the delays.. and left. : ok:

It will be a damn shame if we don't get to hear his parts, after seeing him live for the first time since 2002, I seen him 2x before that with Primus, I was once again awe struck at his performance.

he sure is a phenomanal talent

I really want his parts to stay, the only other option as far as Im concerned (and the one that would validate CD as Guns to most of the world) is for Slash to contribute the lead parts.

If that cant happen, its got to be BH

It was Vanderberg & Vivian Campbell who were the touring guitarist for that tour.? Steve Vai was the guitarist on the following album, Slip of the Tongue", & subsequent tour.? ?Vandenberg was supposed to record one of those albums, I forget which one, but he was injured, & couldn't play.

Man now he is out of Guns i miss Buckethead ..... its so fucking strange .

The Guy makes GNR tourn in a Circle ......it was a shame in the first place , i remenber Rock IN RIO 3 i was a couple of bear drunk and was so fucking strange cooll and funny when he beggins to do his Solo part at the show , that strange figure wif that fucking mask and a KFC in the head it was a great felling that i remenber today wif a smile im my face .

Bucket is a strange guy but the motherfucker cam play !
Just listened Nottingham_Lace its amazing is all felling in that song .

i found this on another message board...posted by a gnr fan..


i would really love to know why he left...

seems like there hasnt been much of a relationship in this band for anyone since MSG 2002. Dizzy said what I long suspected recently - they havent been in the same room as a band since that gig. How can a relationship with a band break down as you say?

The very easy answer to this question is:

1) The list is not comprehensive (Les Claypool is not listed, either)

and

2) The webmaster got very tired of fielding GnR questions and has, more or less, expunged all reference to GnR and pretty much kills all discussion of the subject on the Message Board (or did...haven't been back in awhile).

Just because he thinks the album will probably never come out.

Bet ya $50 he goes crawling back when CD comes out and the U.S. tour begins.

He will not be there for the European tour, I don't see why he would be there for the US tour (if there's one).

There better not be a U.S tour until after CD comes out.  And it is after the drop of CD I'm saying he will go crawling back.

Hmm... well I hope that info from a fan is more correct than the info I got from a Buckethead sound tech, but I don't see why the sound tech would lie to me about Bucket+Axl's relationship.. he could have easily just said "I don't know if they talk anymore", but he was very quick to state that "Buckethead+Axl are bitter enemies and only speak through attornys."

For our sake and gnr's sake I hope Buckethead eventually comes back, but as I said I think that's going to be next to impossible.

So, I was talking about this with some people today, and decided to make a thread about it.....

How much, if any of Buckethead's contributions do you think will be included on Chinese Democracy..... and will he get royalties?

I think that we will hear some of his stuff on CD, but deffinetly not as much as they planned earlier. I have a feeling that Ron has recorded alot of the fills and stuff that Buckethead did. I think he will deffinetly still appear on T.W.A.T for his obviously awesome stuff he did for it, and maybe his fills in Better will stay because it sounds pretty good. I think Richard might have re-recorded his Madagascar solo which would be unfortanate because that's one of the highlights of the things I've heard Buckethead do for Guns. Overall, I think we will hear much less from Buckethead on the record then most people expect to hear, and I think that's good. I hope Robin, Richard, and Ron all get acknowledged for the sure to be great work that will be on Chinese Democracy, and hopefully they'll do interviews and stuff besides just Axl.

So there's the question, and you can also add if you want to hear Buckethead on the record or not.

Alright......

 :)

I think there will be some, but not nearly as much as we expected. Only a song or two in fact.

I agree that itll be much less than expected. Maybe Better, TWAT, and then a song or two that we havent heard before. I hope he has the Madagascar solo but I just don't think so. Would be great though, the solo he did at Rock In Rio III for Madagascar is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

i think it might happen like it happened with steven on uyi, he'll get to stay on a few songs but not too many.

i would've loved to hear his work on all the songs because he's a great guitar player but if they choose not too keep his parts i'm ok with that

True, but Ron is capable of playing basically anything Buckethead does so I'm sure that the parts that were re-recorded will sound terrific.  :)

i don't doubt that the re-recorded parts won't sound great. i'm just curious as to what it would sound with bucket still on them.
and i don't doubt ron couldn't play bucket's parts. in fact, if i remember correctly, richard said that all three of them can shred like bucket but they each go with their own style.

i love Axl and Guns'n'Roses as much as the next fan but what i dont get about Axl is that if somthing is already done cool and damn neared perfect why risk it by trying it again, thats stupid :rant: But since he gave himself a deadline of March 6th i dont think Axl will have time to do that.

What ever dose happen CHINESE DEMOCRACY will own all ?8) and thats the bottom line because it is a FACT :yes:

Heres to a CHINESE DEMOCRACY in March of '07 :beer:

I love Buckethead, his solo stuff is great, but I'm glad Ron got to record atleast some stuff, we don't know how much. I don't want to see a whole lot of shredding on C.D

Ah well, it'll be out in 2 1/2 months and it's going to be.... FANTASTIC!  :smoking:

maybe they chose to re-record because they don't want people that aren't in the band anymore to be on the record? they might want to get a new start without looking back. : ok:

For atleast another 3 minutes I will believe that there will be alot of Buckmeister on the album(?).

I don't think either Axl or BBF would want to try and replicate any of BHs work. They would have to write new parts, and in the process of that they might have to change other parts of the song again to make it fit. I don't see there to be enough time spent recording last year for that to be possible. Especially not with a 10 year old sistine chapel.

BBF additions will probably be just that, additions. Or parts for songs that BH never contributed to in the first place. I think they will choose from the best BH, and best BBF work and put that somewhat evenly on the record. It all depends on the quality of BBFs work really. In that case scenario we get a win win situation.

But BH will be on the album, why else are they still playing his parts? I hardly think they are going to make new ones by January.




BTW. How can you not use this for an album: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qkJIydbObJg

Whoever said that, you know that's not true. Even BBF, the most talented of them by far, can't do it. Maybe in the studio, but then only him. Richard and Robin playing Madagascar solo? That's right, they're not.

it was in a richard email i think. maybe it was a fake and in that case i'll eat my words. but they are all professional guitar players. that's their job. so i don't doubt they can play whatever they want if they have the time to rehearse.

It hasnt happened yet obviously, but I hope this thread doesnt become a Buckethead bash/love fest, and a ex-member vs. current member kind of thread because then itll be locked or deleted. :-\

That being said, goodnight!  :)

Can you beat Carl Lewis if you're not Carl Lewis?

the answer to the carl lewis question is yes. you don't have to be carl lewis to be better. pick another example.

and i never said richard is better than bucket or something like that. i said he could play buckets parts if he'd rehearse them. but still bucket is the one who wrote the parts.

for what it's worth, polluxlm, the rock in rio III madagascar is still the one i'm listening to whenever i feel like playing that song  : ok:

I REALLY want GN'R's best guitarist's work to stay which is obviously BUCKETHEAD.  Please keep his parts, because BETTER is legendary with his solo the new one with BBF just doesn't come close.

There are apparently several versions of each song recorded. I would not be shocked if Axl removed a Bucket solo and replaced it with an earlier Finck version. Madagascar is really perplexing because the solo section is now more electronic with the guitar complimenting Pittman's fuzzy snuggles. It woudn't surprise me if that was an earlier permutation of that section.

Then why aren't these earlier Finck parts being played? Why even get a new shredder if the record is only going to have Finck on lead? The BH parts will stay on for the most part since they're still playing them.

BBF and Frank recorded what? For a couple of weeks according to Merck? I hardly think they came in and wrote an album in that time. They probably layed down a few tracks that Axl thought he could use. After all, it wasn't them that couldn't finish, it was him. That tells me their work was limited. Axl said they had 26 of 32 songs finished. Maybe those 6 songs are what BBF was being used for?

Decent point but we haven't heard the whole record.  Fortus has obviously taken up the Bucket section of Madagascar. Better, IRS and TWAT are relatively intact. Who knows how CITR ended up.

Richard however did write an email to someone who used to be in this forum that the band went back to the way the Madagascar solo was previously written.

I think each solo should have 300000000000000000000 layers of guitars playing one note each, so it sounds like super sweeps and widdly widdlies galore.

I think for the most part his stuff will be gone, but you never know this is Axl.

From the rumored scenarios of how this record came together it would not suprise me that the guys have all done by now all the parts of everyone.

The guy that has to put all this together must be a genuis becasue all the peices have to be spliced together, to Axls liking to 100% perfection.

I have no doubt one of the? hold ups for the last few months is, Axl fell in love with BBF and Frank cuasing a temp. delay and wanted them to be on the record. I have no doubt frank and bbf have been nonstop recording parts. What gets used we have no idea until we hear it and even then will we really know with how many cuts he must have of everything or layers.

I'm 100% confident this will be the best album for a long time and it will sound priceless.

Personally, I prefer BBF to BH so if his stuff is gone so be it.

BH is one of the best guitar guys in the world and probally the best that ever played for GNR, but his appearance and style to me does not work in GNR.

I mean come on how many guys do you know that need a chicken coop to record music, or a doll to talk through.? :beer:

Bring on March? :drool:

Besides the guys currently in the band should be the ones on the cd.

BH staying on the CD as time goes on will only be more talk for the media and negative trashing. Let the guys in the group represent the CD, not a past memeber becasue that will be a corner stone in alot of media horsehit reviews that axl current lineup can't do it.

Sorry to (HAVE TO) say this again, but we dont have a clue do we?!

Maybe I'm missing something and someone in the band has spelled out to us who played what in the (possibly not yet finished) recording sessions?!

All we really know is who plays what when the songs are played live, coz then we can see!

And many songs, such as madagascar, we dont have studio versions of, so we have even less basis on which to guess how theyll turn out on the album and who played what parts on them!

For example, only a couple days ago we found that Briam May is on TWAT, which no one on this board had previously thought (far as i remember). It is possibly, but unlikely, that Mr May wouldnt know what he's played on.

So, to recap...we know nothing! If i am wrong, please could someone calmly and rationally explain why...please?

Axl probably hasn't even made up his mind on what particuliar layers and versions to use, so how would we know? THis is the stuff that's made ChiDem take so long to come out, constant tinkering. So how can we possibly know? Also, with no new manager yet I don't see how those record company contract negotiations can be moving forward very fast, I mean all these details that they are working on now are things the manager is usually very involved in.......I hope the lack of manager is not going to put the schedule out of wack...I knod of expected that someone else was already in the wings when Axl canned Merck but it doesn't look like it was that well planned.
Anyway...... We know nothing  :no:

according to beta, merck was canned right after thanksgiving.. so im sure they might have a new manageer by now?

and how do you know there wasn't? As you said we know nothing. Still I am sure there is already a new manager/team.

Well, I've SEEN Richard do shred as fast as Bucket ... Bucket isn't THAT fast you know!  Sure, he's a shred meister and VERY good ... but jeez... Richard CAN do the shit BH does.  Robin... no fucking way in hell.

On a side note, check out Dragonforce's two guitar team, notably Herman Lee, who fucking destroys bucket's speed AND melody...  He's THE most technically proficient guitarist out there at the mo ... and with the chops goes creativity...

:)

And you say this because...? Yeah, that's right, you are just saying that with no clue.

BBF can shred like Buckethead. Period. If he don't play like him live, it's because he don't want to. It's the same thing with any new guitar player in this band: they don't have to play exactly what Slash played, they have their own touch. That makes them incapable of playing his parts? Hell no!

BTW, Bucket's solo in Madagascar is REALLY easy. And Richard plays some fills on KOHD exactly like Buckethead did in 2002 (listen to Rock Am Ring boot with your right speaker).

You are wrong. Brian May is not on TWAT - as far as the demos (and the live versions has no indication of his work too). Any guitar player with good ears can tell the difference between each guitarist. They have their own style, tone and feel.

Just because that Queen site said it doesn't make it true. I am 100% sure that Brian May is not on the TWAT versions we have which is most likely what we'll hear on the album.

Axl probably cancelled the tour in ordr to do any negotiations himself. im sure he knows the business well enough by now.

Yeah ok. but official Queen sources say diferent. and only your ears disagree. no one new may was on citr til he mentioned it himself. your ears picked that up too did they?

Check my history of posts here. Of course I knew it and I wasn't the only one. ;)
BTW, Robin is on CITR too, in the left speaker.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one who says May is not on TWAT. You can ask to any other guitarist (try this guy above my post, Twisted - he's a very good guitar player).

I highly doubt that Richard can shred as fast as Buckethead. Richard may be able to shred as fast as Buckethead did for the GNR songs, but have you heard some of Buckethead's solo work where he shreds insanely fast? And I am pretty sure that Richard can't do the 8 finger tapping like Buckethead.

buckethead isn't really that great. sure he's good, but there are lots of better guitarists out there. and i've seen ron do 8 finger tapping. it'll probably be alot like when kirk hammet replaced dave mustaine on kill em all. bout half and half

You're totally right. I mean, Bucket's image just destroyed Better. It sounds like shit when he plays with the Bucket on his head. And TWAT, yeah, I don't know what people are smoking here, but can't you hear how his mask totally fucks up that outro? And don't get me started on IRS. The yellow jacket makes it sound like he's playing in a tunnel, I mean seriously.

Close-minded people can't get past Bucket's image, which doesn't at all affect the quality of the material. Who's gonna be sitting around listening to CD and thinking, "Damn, this sounds so good, but the guy looks stupid."

Remember "fat Axl," "botox Axl" and all the other "image" arguments people used against GNR in 2002. Well, we still loved the music, right? Same argument, and you're a hypocrite if you say Bucket should be gone because of his image.

I pray that Buckethead's contributions remain UNTOUCHED on CD by any other mortal guitarist.? (Sadly, I think the chances of this are increasingly remote in light of the comments that Ron added to CD.? Axl's history -- and a significant part of the delay of CD -- seems to be to re-record departed members parts.? Keeping the parts up to date with departed members has been the tricky part. )



I also pray that this is untrue.? (And I'm sure it is.? Axl has a cadre of attorneys to deal with this stuff, as anyone with half-a-brain would do in negotiating a distribution deal of this complexity.)? As I've said before, IF there is a significant delay from March 7, it will be because of these complicated -- and apparently still unresolved -- negotiations.

Over to you Twisted. But i dont really believe that pople can just tell by ear.

Just because you can't, doesn't mean other people can't. ::)

You should take a look at the CITR thread. In page 1 already, there were people saying it was Brian May.

Perhaps because I've seen no indication of otherwise? I go by what I hear.


The day I actually hear BBF nail any of those solos I'll agree with you, but not until that. He can use his own touch as much as he wants to, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to hit the right notes.


If it's so easy how come nobody's playing it? How come Madagascar went from regular to irregular on the setlist after BH left? I've heard the new versions, they're not particularly good.

Why would Buckethead be on the record?? He's not in the band anymore!!!  WHy dont we get Slash, Dave Navarro, and Zakk Wylde on the record too.....anybody who says Buckethead is the greatest guitar player on the earth obviously does not own a guitar...

I believe page 2 actually  :hihi: :beer:

Who's to say that two versions of the same some are put on the album  :smoking:  Its not like it ain't been done before is it. ( intro and outro tracks if you like)

How about we stop bitching about what player we like the best and start looking at the facts?

BBF and Axl won't try and rerecord BHs parts. I'm sure none of them wants it to be a coveralbum.

BBF has not written new parts, there wasn't enough time. Whatever he's contributed will be on songs BH never was on any way, or has been removed already.

I.R.S, Better and TWAT will have BH parts on the album. We know that since they're still being played that way. Madagscar we don't know what will happen to. The rest is pure speculation.

I hope you are right.?  But there are no "facts" as to who will be playing the parts on CD.  And Bumblefoot playing Buckethead parts does sound that good to my ears.  Just like Buckethead playing Bumblefoot or Fortus stuff wouldn't sound as good. 

I agree with you guys...since when has this become a Buckethead solo album? There have been so many guitarists to come and go over the years...including ones of LEGENDARY status like Brian May and Zakk Wylde....oh yeah and that guy whats his name?? oh yeah SLASH.....

No one wants a Buckethead solo album. He puts out severeal of those a year. But there's only one Chinese Democracy, which Buckethead contributed to greatly, as the leaks prove. If they try to rerecord his parts 1) It'll delay the CD 2) Won't live up to the leaks.

And polluxlm, I get your point. But there are really no facts regarding this guitar situation.

Obviously you hear what you want. Since when they need to prove to you this way, hitting "the right notes"? There's no right notes. I'm talking about technical skills and there's no need to play exactly what BH did to show this.

I bet you don't think BBF nailed the solo on TWAT at Madrid. I already see people (dave at least) saying this just because he didn't used the same effects (even if it was played almost note by note).

You're assuming too much. Do you really think BH played the same solo every night? You should look for some 2002 bootlegs...

Also, it's YOUR opinion. I really don't think Axl is thinkin "oh, Buckethead is gone, let's remove Madagascar of the setlist". ::)

Funny how you used the word and yet just assume stuff.

From May to August, I'm sure he had enough time to write some fills and solos. If Dave Navarro just came to a studio to learn OMG and record the solo in one day, why wouldn't a musician like BBF wouldn't do it?

IRS solo is way different. Also, Ron Thal is playing an extended version, since it continues trough the end of the song.

Better could have some different fills and solo, since looks like just jamming (just like BH did). But I don't think so (just my bet).

TWAT is a different story, since the solo looks like worked and really well thought when he wrote it.

That's right, he didn't nail that solo. I don't see how anyone can't agree on that. I don't doubt BBF could make a good interpretation of it, but he hasn't done so yet. Atleast that's how I feel about it.

Guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

You're assuming too much. Do you really think BH played the same solo every night? You should look for some 2002 bootlegs...

Also, it's YOUR opinion. I really don't think Axl is thinkin "oh, Buckethead is gone, let's remove Madagascar of the setlist". ::)
Why wouldn't he think that? It seems like more than a coincedence that the 2 songs most heavily influenced by BH are the ones that are played the least. What about Estranged? Civil War? You think they don't play those for any other reason than the absence of Slash? Axl even said so.

Funny how you used the word and yet just assume stuff.
I assume based on 'facts'. A little better than assuming out of thin air I think.

From May to August, I'm sure he had enough time to write some fills and solos. If Dave Navarro just came to a studio to learn OMG and record the solo in one day, why wouldn't a musician like BBF wouldn't do it?
Sure, fills and maybe a couple of solos. But I don't think he made any significant changes. He probably did what BH did, pushed the songs up an extra notch. That doesn't mean he's replaced BH.

IRS solo is way different. Also, Ron Thal is playing an extended version, since it continues trough the end of the song.

Better could have some different fills and solo, since looks like just jamming (just like BH did). But I don't think so (just my bet).

TWAT is a different story, since the solo looks like worked and really well thought when he wrote it.


That's pretty much how I feel too. BBF will feature on some, BH on some. The logical thing would be for Axl to pick the best of each, and that's what I think he'll do.

Probably he can't not dont want.

Yeah, but you forgot that he doesn't have to prove to you.

I don't doubt, but I would like to know the source of where Axl said that. SCOM is played even with the absence of Slash, and I don't think Civil War is more than that.

Also, Buckethead only did a solo in Madagascar, nothing else. He did way more on Better, but they still play it. Again, I insist: go watch/listen to some 2002 bootlegs. Bucket didn't play the same solo every night and what he did is pretty much like what Richard plays now. The RIR3 solo was just improvised, as Bucket always does.

Since when your opinion are "facts"?

But I'm not saying Bumblefoot recorded all of BH parts.

So tell me why he plays IRS and Better so different each night.

guys Guns N Roses have never been about shredding or nailing solos perfectly live....they are not dream theater...this is just my opinion but I think a good old fashioned blues based SLASH solo put over any one of Buckets on TWAT, IRS, Better, OR Maddy..would sound just as good if not better....then again I have been a Guns N Roses fan since the real band was playing together...dont get me wrong I love all the new players and the leaks and live songs sound great...but its not because of bucketheads solos...at least not to me....my faviorite solo in better is the last one...which also happens to sound alot like classic GNR

Well, Buckethead doesn't play all shred. And I'm sorry, but his TWAT and IRS solos and Better fills are just genious IMHO.

BTW, the thread is about Buckethead's contributions on CD. Please, don't turn a nice thread in another Buckethead's bash.

Thats if there are any contributions of Buckets left to begin with.....remember BBF has been playing these songs for the last 7 months,,, with Pro Tools (which is the program GNR are recording with) I could replace ALL of Bucketheads parts with Rons in a matter of minutes.....So dont think that that will really delay the cd...IF Axl doenst want Bucket on there...im sure he wont be....

That still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't showed me aynthing impressive yet. Perhaps with the exception of the recent additions to Chinese Democracy (the song).

I don't doubt, but I would like to know the source of where Axl said that. SCOM is played even with the absence of Slash, and I don't think Civil War is more than that.

Also, Buckethead only did a solo in Madagascar, nothing else. He did way more on Better, but they still play it. Again, I insist: go watch/listen to some 2002 bootlegs. Bucket didn't play the same solo every night and what he did is pretty much like what Richard plays now. The RIR3 solo was just improvised, as Bucket always does.
I don't know when he said it. All I heard was that he had said that Estranged was a Slash song, and that was why they didn't play it. SCOM and such are different, they were huge hits. He has to play them.

And I know about the solo in Madagascar. It changed every night in 02, and it still pains me to hear that. 01 may be improv, but it is still the best version he ever did. Many fans agree on that. I have no clue as to what will happen to that song, but I hope that Axl sees the superior quality in the rio solo.

Since when your opinion are "facts"?
Limited recording sessions, and the hold up of CD being due to Axl, not BBF and Frank, aren't opinions. But what I conclude from those facts are.

But I'm not saying Bumblefoot recorded all of BH parts.
Then what are we doing this for :hihi:

I really hope Buckethead stays on the album, he's the best guitarplayer ever! Too bad he left the band :'(

WHO KNOWS ?!

damn...

Aren't you the guy who did the instrumental cover of 'Madagascar'? If so, how can you really say the solo is easy? What you played sounds nothing like it! It's nowhere near as good. No offense dude, i'm not trying to be a dick here the rest of the instrumental is great and I don't for a second think I could do better, but then again i'm not the one saying Buckets shit is REALLY easy to play. That's a bold statement, post up audio of you nailing it then i'll agree.

Same goes for Richard's Maddy solo and BF on TWAT we have audio proof that they can't play these solos to the same high quality of BH so why are we even debating that?? And don't start with the 'BF plays it his way' shit either, he's clearly trying to imitate BH but failing on the live TWAT, why do you think they never play it anymore? I think it just cos BF is the CURRENT guitarist people have adopted selective hearing!

Again as i've said previously i'm not debating that Ron is a nice guy and great player, he is and yeah sure his image is better but isn't the music whats important here?? Why settle for second best when BH already laid down perfection? : ok:

Oh and for anyone saying they can't tell the difference between Richards and Buckets solo's on Maddy, compare these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaAwtu4D3PA (2001 version with Bucket solo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWtUMdgUy6Y (2006 version with Richard) (I DO love the added synth on this version by the way!)

In closing, I love GNR and I love the current line up, they are amazing there is no doubt about it, I saw them live earlier this year. If the album came out with just this line-up on it WOULD still be unreal, I just think BH added some magic to the new songs which is unfortunately missing on the live versions we hear today and I for one hope this magic is present on the album when it's released.

The solo segment has changed since Bucket departed. The synth and keyboards are higher in the mix and much more pronounced; Richard plays the end of the solo very different from Bucket, almost crunchy.


Richard told a fan that the solo in Madagascar would be changed back to an earlier permutation. This is apparently the version they are playing, with more keyboards and synth.