Here Today... Gone To Hell!

when I listen to the new bootlegs of this new tour it sounds like its gone.. maybe its just the mix and its low down

gone. IMHO just like everything else he recorded for the band.

buckethead stops now!

I beleive Richard has a similiar solo during the quotes.

Unfortanatly, they didnt play Maddy at the shows I was at!  :crying:

You can see on the inland invasion video, richard does a very good job.

I uploaded the video to GunnersTube: http://www.gunnerstube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=885e0d7c260cc007e8b9

Well, he is out of the band......

Hope it stays on the record though.

I'm happy with Ron re-recording all of Bucket's parts, no doubt. Well, there is the TWAT-solo... Might leave that one untouched.

i think one of reasons of delaying album is that

"Axl won't buckethead parts on new album"

but to be a real,he did a very good job in madagascar

You can't put quotation marks round something that isn't a quote you know  :P

Who supposedly said that?

everybodys heard "Axl won't buckethead parts on new album"   axl said it himself

"he did!"

You mean Robin's TWAT solo?

I believe they reverted many of the Buckethead parts to pre-Bucket recordings.

I hope everything by Bucket stays.

I'd like SOME of Bucket's work to stay. He can be credited as an additional musician. Let's say if Ron or someone came up with something that fit better, or who knows how much these songs have changed since Bucket -- then I wouldn't want his work kept for the sake of keeping it in. Buckethead is a supremely talented guitarist, and while he may not be everyone's vision of a GN'R guitarist, it would be a nice touch having him on the record. That said, Robin is the more appropriate guitarist and IMO should have remained the only lead guitarist. I like Bumblefoot a lot though.

Yes, it is gone from the live version and has now been replaced by Richard Fortus who doesn't do a bad job but it isn't a patch on the original in all honesty. As for the album version only Axl knows the answer to that i'm afraid.

I have said many times before, I hope all of Bucketheads work stays on Chinese Democracy, infact i'm gonna be the one to come out and say that he is IN MY OPINION a better player than all the current GNR guitarists, I think Axl also believes this, we have heard from insiders how they were trying to get him back right up to the last minute.

That's not to put down Robin, Rich or Ron in any way, I think they are all amazing players too, it's just Bucket's style was so unique and I believe it is very hard to replicate (Ron proved this with his take on the TWAT solo and Rich with his Maddy solo). So why remove this excellent unique work? It's like cutting your nose off to spite your face almost. Whatever happens will happen though and I expect I may get called a Ron hater or BH groupie after this post but I assure you this is not the case. This is just my honest opinion, I was one who managed to look past the silly mask and weird antics of BH and was truly touched by the beautiful music that came from his fingers.

Robin's solo is fantastic, but I am talking about Buckethead's solo towards the end.

I hope they keep at least some of Buckets stuff. The guy is weird, but he has killer solos.

I hope the buckethead solo will be on CD, if not  :'(

....if not we can always use the RIO version to make a fan master.

uh, I can't tell the difference between Buckethead's solo and Fortus' solo in this song....or at least it isn't bad.

Oh my god.....

How could anyone outside the GNR camp be able to answer this? ?::)

This is just some kinda wanna-be "versus" thread! ?>:(

Bucket, I think, is unfortunately gone. Too bad, because he has a unique and modern sound that doesn't sound like anything on radio nowadays. His playing would definitely attract some attention. Most people haven't heard the types of sounds he can make on mainstream radio or MTV. Oh, well.

I love what BH brought to the band in terms of "mystique" and pure talent.  However, I wouldn't want to release a "new" album featuring band members who came and went over the past 5-10 years...I would want the current lineup to be represented on the album.   I'll miss Bucket's parts...I've gotten so used to hearing them on bootlegs, the leaks, etc., but I'll be glad if Ron & Frank are represented on Democracy...

ok, let me rephrase...I can tell the difference (i saw it live), but Fortus' solo is fine by me.

Well, what if Bumblefoot decides GNR just isn't for him? What then? Scrap his stuff? Find a new guitarist? What if Brain wants to be a full-time dad? Re-do all the drum tracks?

That's the problem with erasing everything that past members contributed. If people keep leaving, the CD will never be out.

I think he's said those exact words multiple times.

I get the point, and I don't really disagree. ? At this point, whatever it takes to get the album out is fine by me. ?Hopefully, this lineup will remain intact for a long time...or at least until CD is out. ? And I suppose that's why I said I hope Ron & Frank are represented on the album. ?I don't necessarily think everyone else should be erased from the album as much as current members should be invested in the recording of the record if possible.

Yeah I've heard both Buckethead and Richard play this solo live (Tacoma '02 and Portland, Everett '06) and Richard does it just fine.  He's definitely covering Bucket but he does it well. 

I do hope at least some of Bucket's stuff is still on CD and I hope they work again in the future.  Additionally I love Ron and what he's brought to the band.  He killed it at the 2 shows I saw this year. 

axl wont bucketheads parts??? do you mean want??

Bucket solos are more understandable than Ron solos i've noticed that overall in better's solo. But first I want to listen to the CD before giving my definetely oppinion Ron kick's ass as well....

isn't Frank going to do that

It was my understanding that Frank is recording on CD...what isn't clear is if he's adding parts or re-recording parts.

If Brain is still in the band, why redo all of them?

Check out what I wrote above.   Frank very well might not be re-recording anything...

Then again, he might be.  Who the f**k knows?      :beer:

Fortus is such an underrated force in GnR, he can tear it up when he wants to. In my opinion he is the best combination of feel and technique as far as guitarists are concerned in the new band.

If Buckethead's solos are removed from the album, it will be very disappointing for me personally.

If there should be any doubt, this is what we call Madagascar: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oJ-uwrmHx8o

maybe but he lacks creativity that Robin and Bucket bring to the table and that is a lot more important in terms of writing hit songs. Have to see how much Richard was involved in creating CD my guess he didnt write anything just added a few licks here and there

Me too!

As much as I like Ron, his take on Buckethead final solo in TWAT is REALLY not as good as "the original". The same goes for Nightrain!

Personally, I prefer Ron's Nightrain solo over Bucket's. There is a fantastic vid of Bucket doing the Nightrain solo in Albany, but overall I prefer mr Bumblefoot.

To be fair, Ron was only in the band a number of weeks for the two times they did play TWAT live, with him only being there over a week or so the first time it was played in NY. Also if I recall he said he only got to listen to the tracks on headphones by record management or something. He's been in the band over 6 months now so maybe he's mastered it. But it would be unfortunate if Buckethead's solo isn't in TWAT. It's fantastic.

same here, i prefer Ron's Nightrain solo over Bucket's. I prefer Ron over Bucket too. :)

I don't know whether you mean Axl wants BH parts on the album or what but I'll ask again. Can somebody find me a quote by someone (GNR involved) where they say Axl wants BH on the album, or something similar to the supposed quote above.

I'd be dissappointed if the solo has gone from Madagascar because it sounds great, it looks like just Richards half of the solo is left now, I'm not sure why they don't ask Ron to do it instead though because the song sounds so much fuller and complete with the BH solo in it.

If I could ask only on thing, is that GNR dont replace Buckethead's parts in TWAT. They can replace it all if they want, but BH's solo in TWAT is one of the best and most wonderful things I've heard in a lot of time.

damn, I like Bumblefoot a lot, but I still miss BigB.

hopefully all of his shit is gone...great guitar player...but he is a fuckin clown...made GNR look like a parody of itself a few years back...THIS is the band my friends....2006 GNR owns all....

Yeah, most of the media flap about this new band in 2002 mentioned his chicken bucket wearing in a condescending tone, probably wasn't taken seriously enough for his guitar skill

BTW, does anybody know or think that any solos in "Better" are from Bucket, I know the second one is Robin

Like his image means shit if he isn't in the band. If he's on the CD, no one's gonna see him, just hear him. If he was such a clown, how come Axl tried to get him back in the band so many times. It's cool you like the new band, I do too. They sound great, but to diminsh Bucket because of his image is stupid. Especially when GNR fans had to defend Axl's image for so long. Pretty hypocritical.

once again people judge bands on their image.... Buckethead is an AMAZING guitarist...

The simple fact is that we have no idea who is going to be on the record. Just think about it-3 drummers (Freese, Brain, Frank), 6 guitarists (Bucket, Finck, Thal, Fortus, Huge, May), 2 keyboard players, Axl, and Tommy have all recorded stuff since 1998. Who knows what the final credits will be and who played what on the final tracklisting. Nobody knows except Axl and the man mixing the album.... : ok:

Ron's solo is good but Bucket seriously redefined the outro. To hear Big B shred his way through the end of that song is breathtaking.

even Axl doesn't know.

im not judging buckethead soley on his image..but it is a part of it....Guns N Roses used to be called "the most dangerous band in the world" how can people say that with that moron running around on stage with his silly rain coat and mask... This is rock n roll...not rocket science...i know he is a great player but this is not dream theater....Ron Thal is MORE than capable to play the old stuff and the new stuff that we have heard so far...the GREATS didnt need some gimmick like buckethead, they just went out and played...Randy Rhoads, Jimmy Page, Zakk Wylde, Jimi Hendrix,Slash and Brian May are all better musicians than Buckethead..just because you play fast doesnt mean you have any sense of emotion..he was like a machine...that is why i love the 2006 band so much, they just go out and deliver it......with tons of emotion and heart....

Thanks for saying that. You've proved you know nothing about Bucket. I don't have to argue with you any more.

GNR music has alwasy been about heart and emotion .

2006 they have a heart and a soul. Seeing them live you can feel and see there emotion. And that is what it is all about.

Playing like and sounding like a machine is not GNR.

Clown costumes belong to the insane clown posse not GNR.

I'm not into pretend stuff so BH gone from the mix is ok by me.

BBF is more than capable.

BH may be the best guitar player in the world but no need for him to be in GNR.

Maybe Axl wanted him back before, well that is in the past I would bet AXL does not want him back now and old BBF is replacing all his shit. Count on it.

Yeah its hard to argue with someone who doesn't hear the emotion in Bucket's playing.  I first heard he was in the band in 2000 and immediately went out and purchased "Colma."  Hearing the beauty and emotion that poured out of the speakers changed my whole perception of what a guitar could sound like.  No one else sounds like him and GNR was lucky to have him while they did.  His music is therapy and it brings something beautiful to this fucked up world.  Kinda like Axl and the boys.......

Sounding like a machine and pretend starwars horse shit may be craptacular to you but GNR is rock, not numchuck twirling

If Bucket looks like clown how do you will call them

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=41462.msg838021#msg838021

You're still bitching and moaning after I sent you Transmutation? Did you even download it? :confused:

Hey what is with this still bithcing shit....

I made 2 post here and 2 post elsewhere on the subject.

You have been nonstop lobbying for the masked man for months everywhere. He is not in the band and it is apparent as of now he is not coming back.

And as I said elsewhere he might be the best guitar player in the world, to ME he does not fit GNR.

His solo stuff might be greatest. I'm not doubting that at all.

Well............................................................

And where did you send me something, i will look on other board.

I am not talking about his solo albums...I am talking about the way he played GUNS stuff live!!!! he just stood there like a statue and shredded away...it was like having a robot onstage...are you going to argue that!?! if you do, you obviously didnt go to any of the 2002 shows like i did...That was ALWAYS the knock on Buckethead...he played with no feeling...The only time he showed an ounce of passion was when he was playing his star wars bullshit in between songs..you can talk about his solo records all you want...I am talking about the GNR material..you know..the stuff people actually care about

Guns N Fucking Roses of course :beer:

costumes are reserved for kiss and insane clown posse. I see no stinking costumes in the ablove link.? :hihi:

And james I admire you feelings for bucket, he is just not my type  :rofl:

seriously he is a master on guitar, i know that.

Thanks for the songs, great playing but not my thing sorry.

So in other words, you dont like the CD material. He has a profound impact on all the songs so far with the exception being The Blues and CITR. Dont start up with a bunch of BBF love either, because he's just trying to replicate what BH did.

umm Bucketheads parts on Better, IRS, Madagascar, the Blues and Chinese Democracy dont make or break the songs...The songs were well crafted and lyrically brilliant...it is not like any of his solos save the songs....The songs are great to begin with..I love how you guys act like Buckethead was the savior of GNR..he was one of MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY members who came and went over the years.....

and one more thing..I love how you guys defend Buckethead when he completely fucked the band over in 2004...anyone remember that? Look if it turns out that Buckethead wrote the majority of Chinese Democracy Ill give him his due...but he didnt do anything special with the classic Guns songs when I saw them multiple times in 2002....actually people were chanting Slash's name during his solos everytime I saw them in 2002...In 2006 however I see the crowd completely embrace the new band and all of the guitar players....I have not heard a Slash chant once...at any show I went to....

How did he fuck the band over? You mean to tell me Axl couldn't play AFD with a few bonus tracks at Rio without him? BBF was signed right before Hammerstein, and Axl had months to find a replacement for Rio. If he fucked over Axl so bad, why was Axl trying to get him back prior to Hammerstein? So now we're back to that? Well, thats a double edged sword. If you can say that about BH, then you're saying the same fucking thing about BBF. You cant hate BH but love BBF. Period. BBF is just trying to replicate what BH did. Guess why they arent chanting Slash's name? Because anyone in the world with a fucking brain knows he's in VR now.

There Was A Time - BHs solo the best part of the song

Madagascar - BHs solo the best part of the song

Chinese Democracy - BHs solo and riffs best part of the song

I.R.S - BHs solo one of the best parts of the song

Better - BHs parts vital

It's only The Blues and Catcher that doesn't need BH to function properly.

I notice how you avoid mentioning TWAT completely in your argument. Also to say Buckethead plays with no emotion, solo or in GNR, is just ridiculous. If you can't hear the emotion in the TWAT outro or Madagscar then you need your ears testing! And I do believe both solos are vital to the outcome of the aforementioned songs. I'm not argueing the fact that Ron LOOKS better in the band and is more interactive with the fans etc, yeah he's a great guy but BH is a better player, period! Someone said BF is more than capable of playing Buckets parts, this obviously isn't the case, we have audio proof of that! I think he can handle the shredding stuff reasonably well but the emotional stuff he can't unfortunately.

I went to a 2002 show, and Bucket converted me on the spot. Allstate Arena, 17th row, sold out show. Crowd was insane. And there was no Slash chant. That's BS.

And, in Reply No. 52, you said Bucket ran around the stage like a moron.? Now you say he stood still like a robot. Just makin' shit up as you go, eh?

The fact is, when the CD comes out, people are gonna miss Bucket's parts. It  happened when they started playing the leaks live, and it'll happen when the new studio versions are heard.

If they are all removed, that is yet to be determined. Leaving his parts on Madagascar and TWAT is essential. They may get away with the other songs, but those two, it's like erasing Slash from NR and Estranged.

We know Axl is influenced by the fans, so let's hope he's seen all the crying for BHs part and decided to leave them on the record.

Right, sir. If ....

And that's the point of this thread, not how he performs in the setting of a GNR concert.

I can't even see why people wouldn't want him on the stage either.

We got Finck, Stinson and Fortus rocking the stage looking cool as hell, and then you got this weirdo on the side of the stage on a podium that just comes out once in a while to blow peoples minds with blistering solos and licks.

How can anyone not want that? It would be the coolest most original show on earth.

As much as I appreciate Buckethead's playing (I am a guitar-player myself), I prefer Ron in almost every way. Sure, technically he might not be as talented as mr Bucket, but speed and skill isn't the only thing that counts when being in a band.

Another thing. Bucket was becoming the 2nd star of GNR during the 2002 tour.  He was giving the media something to talk about. Remember the Kurt Loder scoop. No one is gonna get that treatment in the current GNR.

It still doesn't take away the fact that the myth Buckethead will always overshadow the guitarist Buckethead. He says he covers his face and talks through a doll to make his guitarplaying the focus, but it really has the opposite effect.

oh thats right I forgot to mention bucketheads contributions to TWAT....lets see which part should we go over, the intro which sounds like the wu tang clan or the solo at the end that dragsssss onnnnnnnnnn forever..............I dont understand the love affair on this board with TWAT and CITR, they are both the weakest of the new leaks...that is not to say they are bad songs...its just IRS, Better, The blues, Madagascar are way better....

Opinions are like assholes, dude.

I agree both YOU and I got em........

I hope his parts are gone.  He is not in GN'R anymore so he should not be on the album.  Give me Bumble anyday.  However, if that would slow the release of the cd, keep Bucket's parts on. 

*puts on track #7 on Lies*

Dude, it already did delay the release of CD. So, what do you want now? Still Bucket? Or Bumble?

personally, I doubt that bucket's parts are gone. They haven't had enough time to simply re-record them, let alone re-work them entirely. And reverting to the pre-bucket versions would be catastrophic (as the 99 version of TWAT shows).

I don't know what the hell is going on with the madagascar solo, but Bumblefoot is still duplicating Bucket's parts of Better and IRS, and did so with TWAT in NY. There hasn't been enough (any?) studio time in the interim to re-do those parts, especially when you consider axl's perfectionism.

The one thing that absolutely, positively should be kept is the TWAT outro. Guitar solos that epic are priceless.

Bumble.

Yup probably the main reason I love that song so much is the way the song builds to those solos which jus lift and lift the track.

You know what you guys are crazy or your really BH fans and not GNR fans.

A guy that talks through a fucking doll is retarded. Pretend gay stuff if you know what I mean.

The second greatest front man behind axl is ozzy and ozzy said i love his playing but he refused to take of the fucking mask.

I like GNR not kiss, gwar, insane clown posse or other make believe shit. Maybe he can join up with dee snider and do a circus tour.

Buckethead is not in the band. So he should not be on the record.

Period.

BBF and the other guys have had time to rerecord the stuff over last 6 months. And I think they have a diffrent work ethic and is probally done already.

Wow, you know what, he probably is retarded. I never really thought of that. Oh, gay too. You're a genius. I have seen the light. Takes one to know one, right!

Maybe my retarded and gay words were a bit strong, sorry for that.

Him talking using a doll or needing a chicken coop to record in is not a bit strange to you?

It just blows my mind to think of him in GNR. Mayeb he would attract new fans but the old ones for sure would feel alienanted from his bizarre ways.

GNR has and alwasy will be more then just the music. I agree.

And for the record BH is one of the best guitar guys of our time. I'm not doubting that.

Strange, I agree. But I want this new GNR CD to be so different, cool, unique, mind-blowing that it will erase everything people have come to know about rock/metal in the past 15 years. With Bucket out, it loses some of that. We've all come to love the leaks, and I do believe without a doubt that there will be some fans here who are going to greatly miss what Bucket contributed to these songs. Can Ron do an adquate job? Of course, he's brilliant.

This of course, is assuming Bucket is gone from CD. And I can only assume that's part of the reason for the delay in the CD.

The image argument is what totally baffles me here. How many years did we as GNR fans have to defend the "fat, corn-rowed, oversized-jersey and track-pants wearing, plastic-faced, botox-adjused Axl?" I know I had to for quite some time. And to come back and use the same type of argument against another artist is the epitome of hypocrisy.

If you think Bucket is a shitty player fine. But when GRN fans attack his image, there is no credibility left.

Bucky is the BEST (hubba hubba) :love: :love: :love:, Frankly I find his clever sense of absurd humor..... :D funny, I Adore him and I think hes HOT( even sexxxy)....he is a better Playa then Bumble (sorry bumster not tryin to be rude) keekee, and Axl saw something in buckys BIG talents too, Buck Buck has never put CrabbyAxl down Mr Buckethead moved on.Also Buckys not out suing axl over there business ending either. Bucky is his own legend and it saddens me that CrabbyAxl is removing his work off the long long awaited cd. Sometimes I want to kick axl in the shins. :o , but most of the time I want him to just finish what he started, with a little more sincerity......keekee :beer:

Hello,

I am new, I am french and I don't speak english as well as you, so I won't post many times and many things !!

Just listen to this madagascar version ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttCJ_r_Y0VA&mode=related&search=

...the solo is the best one I 've ever heard until now !

Just for that, I hope BH will be on CD, at least on madagascar, twat and better !

Yup.


Many musical geniuses haven't been all.. there.

Brian Wilson's sandpit for instance.

How he talks is not important. He's a wonderful guitar player and a great person.


Maybe to you. But GNR is not about how you feel about it.

I would bet 4 out of the 5 people on this thread that think BH walks on water and should be on the cd, even though he is not in the band are most likely under the age of 25. Just my guess

In the late 80's GNR was a generation of fans tired of the standard hair rock or boy band horse shit. It was a movement of fans, tired of the being put down, being told what to do or listen too.?

The music was always a big part of there lure, but to see them perfrom live was awsome. When they played there music on stage they played with heart and emotion that the crowd feed off of and in return gave them more energy. Slash never was the best player, he was even sloppy at times, but that did not matter, when you watched him it was priceless.

When BH played on stage even though he is probally the most talented player of any era of guns he lacks the emotion, the soul, the dangerous feel. Yea he is scary but in the wrong ways.

I do not mean no offense to the younger generation of fans.

I think the 2006 line up is as talented as the original guys. I think Robin, Richard play and emit the same kind of stage presence that the older (me) fans can relate too.

I'm a old skool fan, in 2002 i bought tickets (philly). I would of gone to see them even with the bucket, and if he returned I would still go. But I think the older fans prefer a BHless GNR. I know I do, and I think the current line up is so good, i hope it always stays as it is now.? Robin and Richard with BBf are great on stage. It seems like one big team up there everybody working together.

I know it might be wrong to say but

They look like GNR
They sound like GNR
They act like GNR

I know you say how does GNR act, sound or look but from my end being a fan for 20 years, I can tell you this lineup is awsome and as close to perfect as you can get. The 2002 lineup was great as well but the chemistry the heart and feel was not there or as much as it is now.

We have no diea any of us what or who willl be on the album. If the masked man remains so be it, it will be for his musical talents, although I think if he is out of the band he should not be on cd.

What will be will be, being a fan I know that and anything I say means nothing, and that is one reason I like GNR.

My favorite memeber of all time has always been AXL.? And I think the Axl of 2006 is awsome.

I personally try to forget the whole 2002 scene.

Older fans like myself, if you can get them in the seats they will fall in love with the current guys,

I know it sucks but looks, personality are a part of the world regardless if you think non of that matters, it does and the fact remains BH is not what the fans from GNR hay day want.

Some of the biggest and greatest bands in the world are not at that level by there playing skills alone. It is the whole package, there appearance, there attitude everything goes into it.

Younger or new fans would probally like it if BH was in the band or on the album, that is what they know from 2002.

And maybe BH was hand picked by axl himself years ago, but the music seems to have evolved quite abit over the years and has changed direction so many times we do not know anything including me.

At the end of the day we are all fans.

I prefer my GNR headless but hey if he is on the album I will embrace it becuase I know my man AXL has it fine tuned to perfection. ( that there lies the other problem) :beer:


 

Good Post. I agree with most all of your points.

especially:
 I know you say how does GNR act, sound or look but from my end being a fan for 20 years, I can tell you this lineup is awsome and as close to perfect as you can get. The 2002 lineup was great as well but the chemistry the heart and feel was not there or as much as it is now.


Bucket wears his costume so that he can keep is personal life, personal. I guess he can go anywhere he wants and not be recognized. Thats great for him and I understand where he is coming from. However, as you said:

The music was always a big part of there lure, but to see them perfrom live was awsome. When they played there music on stage they played with heart and emotion that the crowd feed off of and in return gave them more energy. Slash never was the best player, he was even sloppy at times, but that did not matter, when you watched him it was priceless.

Everyone knows/knew who Slash is. He wasnt in the spotlight as much as Axl, but was somebody you could associate a voice, a personality and a face with.  Bucket was not interested in having fans, and though this is Axls show, GNR fans want to be fans of the members, just as much as the music. Since Bucket was not interested in being a part of the bigger picture, then, fuck it! I dont care if he is on CD or not !

In a nutshell:
Even though BH is very talented, he is all wrong for GNR.

didn't axl say, from the band's point of view (attempting to paraphrase press relesase here), that bucket was a flakey asshole and fucked them over to further his own career (which he did, now he has a music video that got played on mtv2 and a much larger fanbase)?  if thats the case, why the hell would they want him to make one single cent off CD?  of course they would want to get rid of his parts.

so axl was wrong too ... so you know what is best for GNR better than axl...

YES? :yes:
for having bucket in the band yes. I will say it, I'm not scared? :rofl:

Seriously peace to all, it is christmas.



IN MARCH GUNS N FUCKIN ROSES IS COMIN AND THERE BRINGING HELL WITH THEM? : ok:

yes.

One fact remains we are all fans, GNR has had the best year in a loooooooooong time.

I'm happy in general the small things do not matter!!!!!!!!!

It doen't matter

AXl is back !!!

I have appetite blaring in the house right now, things could not be better, well maybe CD blaring but hey I'm not complaining.? :peace:

Round 2 motherfuckers

2006 the year legends rose from the dust.
2007 the year the world cringes in fear for there life becuase Axl is back on top.

Run for your lives, hide your small children for they will become the next generation of GNR fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi:

We live in Hell... we don't need BH...We've got BBF, those parts may have been replaced... Sure will be worth the wait...March 2007 

They needn't look like GNR
They needn't sound like GNR
They needn't act like GNR.

They are GNR.  they just need to be themselves.

On topic,
Although I'm not too fussy about the solo on madagascar,
I think it's not gone unless they've come up with new ideas.
Keep it or rewrite, they do what's better for the song, I bet.


not just him. there are a few people that seem to be righter for the band than anyone on the earth.
I think those people should get together, make a band  and call themselves 'the act like gnr' or 'the (very)right Gnr'. or else 'Nuts hell'.

welcome to the board vanilie.  :beer:

I'm 33, so I'm one out of 5 I suppose. Look, we're gonna have to disagree on this topic. But I think using the image argument is hypocritical after we endured years, and still do endure, jokes about Axl being fat, Axl wearing cornrows, braids, whatever you wanna call them, Axl botoxed and plastic Axl.  And we all defended him.

And to whoever said Bucket used GNR to further his career. That's totally bogus. How did it work? He still sells his CDs on his own and travels the country in a cargo van. If he wanted the big career, with fancy tour buses, album deals, he'd still be in the band if that's all he cared about.

thank you  :beer:

I think you guys have to ask yourself this question....This is all speculation, but so is virtually everything else on this entire board so I'll  say it anyway... Say Chinese Democracy is a huge hit...and it gets rave reviews from critics all over the place...and people are crazy about BUcketheads playing.....if you are Axl Rose, are you going to want people raving about a guitar player who is not even in the band anymore?? or are you going to want to showcase the CURRENT band...If I were Axl I would only want current players on it...people are already going to knock the band because its not the old line-up, they will only knock the band more for having "outside" musicians contribute in a big way to the record...it will make the current line up seem even less legitimate...

I agree with JohnSDMF on this one. :yes:

The album should be released with only the members currently in the band called Guns N' Roses. :smoking:

There's the way it is and there's the way I think it's going to be. :yes: : ok: :peace: :smoking: :beer:

I agree and disagree.

If it was Axl and the whatevers or someother band name fine, but it is not it is GNR and GNR means something, it is more then one man, it is a way of life, a statement, it is a livin breathen beast.  I always supported GNR but during that brief 2002 era I did not 100%, because it hurt to much. Like when someone dies a horrific death you remember them for the good times and the high points. The 2006 lineup is a close to perfect as you can get :peace:

So now that I'm way off topic let me just say. GNR is the best band in the world once again and they are here to stay.

The music that should be released is the music that is the best that has been recorded over the past 12 years. Whether that's Zakk Wyle, Buckethead, Bumblefoot, Brian May, or even that Izzy jam session stuff. Axl has all of this material at his disposal, and he should use whatever makes the song best.

This amazing journey over the past 12+ years has been about one thing: artistic integrity. To jettison material simply because people would be confused because it's from someone who isn't currently in the band would be to forget the whole point of the creative control Axl has strived for.

Well as much as I love BH, and his efforts in GNR... I hope he's not on the cd.... Not to say i wouldnt like to hear his stuff on a bootleg or something... But hes not there, so why put him on... But if he stays on i'll be fine with that... And to all of you about BBF emulating BH.. Give me a break... What did BH do in SCOM??? Same thing... BBF will evolve in time, but hes playing the new stuff the way it was intended... I just watched IRS from Inland Invasion, and he was GREAT with that solo, and in that red suit?!?! Cant beat that kinda class, ladies and gents!! ? 8)

So, if it's only current members, let's get rid of Brain, anything Brian May may or may not have done, Paul, and all the other musicians who contributed over the years. Hell, that's just the players, what if they also contributed songwriting duties, then you're throwing out whole songs.

Wouldn't work, unless you want CD in 2023.

For anyone questioning Bucketheads emotion in his PLAYING please view the following video, infact just listen if his image affects your perspective on the music. Hear how this beautiful ballad builds and builds in intensity, if BH has recorded stuff like this for CD would you honestly want it replaced?? This is live too but it's perfect, he doesn't hit a bum note! I have yet to hear any of the current GNR guitarists play anything with this much true emotion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o

Wow, completely disagree. I guess you missed all of the subtle movements the man was making. Having posted on this issue several times before, I will refrain from repeating myself, but anyone who argues that BH lacks emotion and soul really has not seen his solo act or listened to Colma.

I just watched about 4 BH solo stuff on utube. He is a  great musician, actually he is growing on me for his solo stuff, but him in GNR just doesn't work.

 He belongs in a surronding that is built around his playing and in GNR that con not happen.

And here is an example of where he loses me when he did stuff in gnr.  Seeing this at a GNR show is like having mix master mike open, just makes no sense  :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVeK52PPW4Q&mode=related&search=

Thanks for the link I enjoyed that and I liked this one even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDY3rD71Ic&mode=related&search=

shh do not tell bigbri or jameslofton i said that  :peace:

Yeah I was gonna post the link for that one too, it is also AMAZING! I wanted to focus on Bucketheads more emotional side though since that had been debated here.

So have we finally converted you?? Buckethead to stay on CD?  :hihi:

Brian May probably isnt going to be on the record so says Axl, Paul is useless so I would definately get rid of any of his parts, and Brain is STILL in the band so I dont know where you are comming from with that...I certainly hope Paul isnt on the record, he has been out of the band for FIVE years!!  I wouldnt get rid of anything as far as songwriting, because that is Axl's property now...but I dont understand this whole "it will delay the album" thing...has anybody on this board used Pro Tools besides me?! I can replace all their parts in 5 minutes....its called mutli track recording,,,its been around since Les Paul invented it in the 50's! THings artists do are not set in stone on the record, they can be replaced(especially now with Pro Tools) in SECONDS!!!

Yeah, with digital technology these thing can be done pretty easily from a technological standpoint. Its still takes some time for the artist to perfect their work though.

True, but remember BBF has been playing these songs live every other night for 7 months, so he is very familiar with them...in any case we dont know what will happen, but if Axl wants this to be a legitimate BAND i would lose all the special guests on the first record anyway....

No you did not convert me, but I will give the credilt for what he does. He is amazing but still he is not right for GNR in my opinion. He belongs doing his solo stuff showcasing his playing built around him

In m opinion, the majority of Buckethead's albums are emotion fuelled.. Colma is a great example. Songs like Too Many Humans on Population Override, which contains virtually no shred at all are beautiful pieces of art.. He is one helluva composer.. Tell me, have you heard any of NTT? like, Jowls, Mrs. Beasley, Chicken Boy, The Void? Songs like that would win you over in a heartbeat..

Listen to his music before you judge him for trying to connect with a market he has never been involved with..

Anyone that rips Bucket for having his own stage persona or for playing like a machine should seriously think about what they're saying, especially when you know nothing of his capabilities..

Axl may have said that but the reason that video got played wasn't because of being in GNR. BH got on MTV because he played with Saul Williams and Serj from System of A Down and he's on Serj's label.

lol, saul always cracks me up ;D


yeah, bucket even appeared in a snoop dogg video couple of years back, had nothing to do with GN'R but more to do with his pal bootsey collins doing a song with snoop. so they put bucket in the video. i think it's for the better that buckethead is out of the band but i do miss his haunting madagascar solo. but i'm sure chinese democracy will make up for everything. 8)

You think Axl's gonna allow something on CD to be replaced in seconds? Doesn't matter how long it SHOULD take. It SHOULDN'T take more than a decade to make a CD, but it has. So, in my opinion, any more recording would delay it even further.

I don't get your point. 
What way of life and what statement are you seeing there? A Fashion statement? that bad boy attitude?
I don't think they have to try to meet other's idea of perfection. IMO that would make them anything but GNR.

I never see a band as a person. To me it's the spirit of the band.
The spirit also grows.
It always says not to pigeonhole things and yourself.
You are free to change. Don't be afraid of the changes and accept yourself.
That's my take.

like Axl's old friend photographer put it,
"Human nature wants what's familiar and if you stay there, you're stuck. Keep yourself open and you'll be amazed. Change is good. And yes, even Axl has changed".

The world changes. People change. all living things change. Why shouldn't a band change?

GNR in 2002 needn't be the 20th century version. Or rather, shouldn't be. Neither does the 2006 version.

oh my  :love:...keekee...Im so IN LOVE with Bucky...I want to marry him :love: :love: :love:.....do you think buckethead makes deep passionate love as good as he plays  keekee?....also...what is buckys zodiac sign, my astrologer needs to know keekee....leave him on the CD axl....as a sweet xmas gift ....keekee

Who is this keekee you speak of?