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Title: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:12:25 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album?
In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: gokken on December 17, 2006, 05:17:48 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album? In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. "approximately 8 weeks " So i guess that these days are very importent if they are gonna make it to the mars 6:th. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: WARose on December 17, 2006, 05:18:30 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album? In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. when axl hands the record to the record company, the negotiations will start. merck states in his later, that axl has to deliver, before any further actions will be taken... Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:20:43 PM a video? ::) A video could be done in a week or even a day and any time in feb to meet the march release date Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: axl2 on December 17, 2006, 05:21:59 PM a video ::) A video could be done in a week or even a day and any time in feb to meet the march release date that REALLY depends on the production of this video. if its a video like NR or Estranged then theres no damn way itd be done and ready to be out as a single in 1 week. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:23:01 PM a video? ::) A video could be done in a week or even a day and any time in feb to meet the march release date that REALLY depends on the production of this video. if its a video like NR or Estranged then theres no damn way itd be done and ready to be out as a single in 1 week. If the video is going to be better like most people around here think that is the first single then 90% of the video is done because t hey have all the video for teh live shots. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 05:24:54 PM Do you know what goes on after the album has been handed over to the record company?
I'm curious since you claim there's nothing stopping them from playing the shows. If the video is going to be better like most people around here think that is the first single then 90% of the video is done because t hey have all the video for teh live shots. And who made you the video's director since you're now chosing what footage will be used in the video? /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: 25 on December 17, 2006, 05:27:05 PM well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? Yeah, I'm sure there's nothing to do once the album is handed over. Guess they'll all just be kicking back at home in their bathrobes, drinking mint julips and whipping the houseboy. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Lucky on December 17, 2006, 05:27:43 PM who says it will be live shots?!
and live shots are corny. it sucks. leave that for bon jovi. GNR should try to push the envelope. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:29:10 PM Do you know what goes on after the album has been handed over to the record company? I'm curious since you claim there's nothing stopping them from playing the shows. If the video is going to be better like most people around here think that is the first single then 90% of the video is done because t hey have all the video for teh live shots. And who made you the video's director since you're now chosing what footage will be used in the video? /jarmo the legal team takes care most of the stuff that goes on after the album is handed it. The old gnr found a way to play shows after the UYI was ?handed in, or did you forget that? They did not have to stop touring now did it? As for the videos director. I find it hard to believe the first video is going to be some huge production like a nov rain type video esp since the label is in the hole for 14m on this album. You think they will want to throw 5m in for one video, or just so something simple and cost efficent? Plus the old gnr made videos while they were touring, and that was hundreds of shows, this band just has to do four. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: AdZ on December 17, 2006, 05:30:04 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place...
You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: duga on December 17, 2006, 05:31:04 PM I guess the band has to find the muse at least for a couple of days before the record is done, right?
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:33:17 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Like I said 4 shows would not get in the way of that. The old gnr with UYI were able to do all of that with a huge world tour. As for the 14m price tag, you know that is how much has been reported dont even try to deny it. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: flicknn on December 17, 2006, 05:33:38 PM the video for st anger (metallica) was shot at san qeutin in 2 days max.With the band in LA for a week , anything is possiable , plus using live footage shots
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: bigbri on December 17, 2006, 05:35:51 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Like I said 4 shows would not get in the way of that. The old gnr with UYI were able to do all of that with a huge world tour. As for the 14m price tag, you know that is how much has been reported dont even try to deny it. He can cancel all the shows he wants if it means CD will be ready March 6. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Gagarin on December 17, 2006, 05:35:59 PM Like I said on ChiDem.com, if the work spills over a week, better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: conjurer on December 17, 2006, 05:39:27 PM does anyone know what "negotiations" need to be made between GnR and the record label? are they negotiating money, or how the album will be released or what songs are on the final release? I know nothing about the record biz...does anyone know what these "negotiations" usually entail?
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Mr. Nik™ on December 17, 2006, 05:41:13 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album? In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. 6th March is a tentative date.... they could need one week more in January to work out some details, so they took free that week to be sure... the album could be out March 13th for example Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on December 17, 2006, 05:43:04 PM Why over analyze this point? First the first time ever Axl feels comfortable with a specific release date. Whether we get it Mar. 6 or a month later, its coming very soon. Chill out.
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: sandman on December 17, 2006, 05:48:22 PM i agree with dave. something isn't right.
we don't know everything, so if they HAVE to cancel those shows, fine. but it seems like they are quick to just toss shows out the window, which i think is poor. cancelling shows is a big deal, and i think should be avoided at all costs. ? the four shows are within one week. so push the tentative date back to march 13, or just say "march". an extra week or two won't hurt as much as feeling fucked if you were planning on going to any of those shows. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: bangit on December 17, 2006, 05:49:08 PM Merck spoke of march the 20th, go by this and you can see why they may have to push thoses shows back.
I just hope the great artist delivers the goods!!!!! Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 05:50:58 PM the legal team takes care most of the stuff that goes on after the album is handed it. The old gnr found a way to play shows after the UYI was handed in, or did you forget that? They did not have to stop touring now did it? Are you saying things in 2006 are exactly like they were in 1991? The legal team takes care of most of the stuff? I asked you, what makes you the expert on how this works? Care to enlighten all of us? Please! What makes you the guy on the board who knows what can and can't be done regarding GN'R? This thread seems to be yet another one of your attacks on the band. As for the videos director. I find it hard to believe the first video is going to be some huge production like a nov rain type video esp since the label is in the hole for 14m on this album. You think they will want to throw 5m in for one video, or just so something simple and cost efficent? Plus the old gnr made videos while they were touring, and that was hundreds of shows, this band just has to do four. You find it hard to believe? You know absolutely nothing about the video. Nothing! But yet you make all kinds of assumptions about it. They could spend a week shooting the band. You don't know. In regard to a release date for the album itself, certain minor - and I do mean minor -- additions, as well as contract negotiations, need to be completed. Barring any unforeseen complications, these things have now been adequately scheduled. The band and I, along with our record company, feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotion, not the ?13 Tuesdays left? and ?It may just appear in your record store? approach offered by management. It says right there that they want to get the promotion right. You can also bet that if they had played these shows, Dave would be posting "why are they playing these shows? We just want the album out! They're just trying to make people go see them even though the album isn't out!" /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Howard2k on December 17, 2006, 05:54:37 PM I don't see it as an attack at all.?
He has an opinion and it seems that several people disagree AND take it personally.? ? To be honest I don't know why some of you are getting wound up.? This IS a discussion forum after all.? What's the big deal with talking about this stuff? Really? Perhaps he's wrong. Perhaps he's not. It's not the end of the world. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:55:05 PM the legal team takes care most of the stuff that goes on after the album is handed it. The old gnr found a way to play shows after the UYI was? handed in, or did you forget that? They did not have to stop touring now did it? Are you saying things in 2006 are exactly like they were in 1991? The legal team takes care of most of the stuff? I asked you, what makes you the expert on how this works? Care to enlighten all of us? Please! What makes you the guy on the board who knows what can and can't be done regarding GN'R? This thread seems to be yet another one of your attacks on the band. As for the videos director. I find it hard to believe the first video is going to be some huge production like a nov rain type video esp since the label is in the hole for 14m on this album. You think they will want to throw 5m in for one video, or just so something simple and cost efficent? Plus the old gnr made videos while they were touring, and that was hundreds of shows, this band just has to do four. You find it hard to believe? You know absolutely nothing about the video. Nothing! But yet you make all kinds of assumptions about it. They could spend a week shooting the band. You don't know. /jarmo Jarmo, what makes you an expert on how it works? You claim that about me but you dont know either. I am just going by how things work for gnr before UYI and how things works for every other band. You really dont have a point since I gave you a legit example of how they did it in 1991 and you just toss that aside. It proves not matter how many examples you get , you are just not going to accept any as evidence. As for this thread being an attack on the band, how do you figure? If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? And I know just as much about the video as you do, but of course you claim it will take a long time. Again I am going by how gnr did videos when they were on tour during teh UYI era and how that never was a factor before. Again more evidence and an example that ?you just toss aside. If I am wrong I am wrong, but its a legit question. No matter what you want to claim. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: FunkyMonkey on December 17, 2006, 05:57:37 PM does anyone know what "negotiations" need to be made between GnR and the record label? are they negotiating money, or how the album will be released or what songs are on the final release? I know nothing about the record biz...does anyone know what these "negotiations" usually entail? I would be curious to know the answer to that also...if true. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: WeHeldTogether on December 17, 2006, 05:58:53 PM Okay, Dave, what about this:
They're doing it just in case. ?They want to make sure that the album's done and delievered to the label. ?What if they DON'T get it in by the 6th, and Axl needs to do more work on it or they need to add some little things or something? Then those shows that they would have played would get in the way of recording and finalizing the album. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 05:59:59 PM Okay, Dave, what about this: They're doing it just in case. ?They want to make sure that the album's done and delievered to the label. ?What if they DON'T get it in by the 6th, and Axl needs to do more work on it or they need to add some little things or something? Then those shows that they would have played would get in the way of recording and finalizing the album. That is a fair answer and you did it with out attacking me or claim I am hating on the band. That is all I was looking for. I wish more people could discuss this topic with out all the extra BS. thank you for a good reply Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: GNFNRAXL on December 17, 2006, 06:01:39 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. I think there is plenty of evidence by now that says this album cost 13 millions to record. ?You don't have to be GNR's accountant for that. ?Just do a little research. ?I'm not siding with dave here but it seems that some of you will attack anything he says. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 06:03:52 PM Jarmo, what makes you an expert on how it works? You claim that about me but you dont know either. I am just going by how things work for gnr before UYI and how things works for every other band. You really dont have a point since I gave you a legit example of how they did it in 1991 and you just toss that aside. It proves not matter how many examples you get , you are just not going to accept any as evidence. I never claimed to be the expert, that's why you don't see me posting stuff like "they already filmed live shots they can use". You use 1991 as an example. Things have changed.... They didn't tour for "The Spaghetti Incident?". See, that proves you can't tour when releasing an album. Right? As for this thread being an attack on the band, how do you figure? If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? I've missed shows already. Are you one of them Dave? And I know just as much about the video as you do, but of course you claim it will take a long time. Again I am going by how gnr did videos when they were on tour during teh UYI era and how that never was a factor before. Again more evidence and an example that you just toss aside. No Dave, you just assume things are like in 1991 and you know very well they aren't. In 1991 GN'R were on the brink of becoming the biggest band in the world. They didn't need the same amount of promotion as they do in 2007 when most kids are more into My Chemical Romance than GN'R. /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 06:09:14 PM Jarmo, what makes you an expert on how it works? You claim that about me but you dont know either. I am just going by how things work for gnr before UYI and how things works for every other band. You really dont have a point since I gave you a legit example of how they did it in 1991 and you just toss that aside. It proves not matter how many examples you get , you are just not going to accept any as evidence. I never claimed to be the expert, that's why you don't see me posting stuff like "they already filmed live shots they can use". You use 1991 as an example. Things have changed.... They didn't tour for "The Spaghetti Incident?". See, that proves you can't tour when releasing an album. Right? As for this thread being an attack on the band, how do you figure? If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? I've missed shows already. Are you one of them Dave? And I know just as much about the video as you do, but of course you claim it will take a long time. Again I am going by how gnr did videos when they were on tour during teh UYI era and how that never was a factor before. Again more evidence and an example that? you just toss aside. No Dave, you just assume things are like in 1991 and you know very well they aren't. In 1991 GN'R were on the brink of becoming the biggest band in the world. They didn't need the same amount of promotion as they do in 2007 when most kids are more into My Chemical Romance than GN'R. /jarmo jarmo they taped most of the shows on this tour so why wouldnt or couldnt they use that footage? And that is called an IDEA of what the first video could We are not allowed to have an option what the first video might be? You dont pull ths shit calling peope experts when they say Better is goign to be the first? single now do you? No because you have a personal problem with me that is why other people in the past have said the first video for better might just be live shots and you never once made that claim about them but you did here with me grow up Yes you missed shows, but? you had other shows to go to. I am sure most of the people that got tix to the jan shows just got to one show and now it will be zero, big difference Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Gagarin on December 17, 2006, 06:10:20 PM Okay, Dave, what about this: They're doing it just in case. ?They want to make sure that the album's done and delievered to the label. ?What if they DON'T get it in by the 6th, and Axl needs to do more work on it or they need to add some little things or something? Then those shows that they would have played would get in the way of recording and finalizing the album. That is a fair answer and you did it with out attacking me or claim I am hating on the band. That is all I was looking for. I wish more people could discuss this topic with out all the extra BS. thank you for a good reply Yeah! :beer: Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: axlrosegnr on December 17, 2006, 06:11:56 PM If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? I am one of the people missing a show because if this, and yes, when I first heard, on the radio, that this was canceled, I was upset. However, the Dj's forgot to mention WHY they were canceled. So when I got home, I read the nice surprise from Axl. I was no longer upset. In fact, I was VERY pleased with what AXL had to say. This thread seems to me to have exactly the same attitude you had in the admin thread.....so it seems this is all just another attention getting thread. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: chineseblues on December 17, 2006, 06:12:35 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Like I said 4 shows would not get in the way of that. The old gnr with UYI were able to do all of that with a huge world tour. As for the 14m price tag, you know that is how much has been reported dont even try to deny it. How the hell do you know what will or will not interfere in their plans to release the album on schedule? You don't so stop acting like you do. This is one of the things we were talking about in the other thread earlier, your spreading bullshit around. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 06:15:09 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Like I said 4 shows would not get in the way of that. The old gnr with UYI were able to do all of that with a huge world tour. As for the 14m price tag, you know that is how much has been reported dont even try to deny it. How the hell do you know what will or will not interfere in their plans to release the album on schedule? You don't so stop acting like you do. This is one of the things we were talking about in the other thread earlier, your spreading bullshit around. Because it never got in the way in the past and it does not get in the way over other bands who tour and make videos at the same time.? So that is why I ask why would it get in the way now. That is why I said QUESTION. Its looking for an answer. I wil ask you the same question. How do you knwo it would get in the way. You talk like it would but in fact you dont. So you areand jarmo are doing teh same thing you asuse me of doing ::) Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: cybercurves on December 17, 2006, 06:16:12 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album? In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. Dude, don't worry about it. It's not your CD to hand over to the label is it??? Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: odd1 on December 17, 2006, 06:17:00 PM I dont know why you are attacking Dave Jarmo, seems to me you are after him today?
Why do you insult your boardmembers like that. I have followed Dave and yours little fight today and I really dont like the way you (and Beta) have acted today. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Howard2k on December 17, 2006, 06:17:22 PM I think the simple, fair and enforceable answer is that nobody is allowed to post anything other than verifiable fact. ?
That way it's much easier for the mods and members alike. ?No more speculation, no more rumours and no more need for personal attacks. We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know. ? We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Gagarin on December 17, 2006, 06:17:34 PM If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? I am one of the people missing a show because if this, and yes, when I first heard, on the radio, that this was canceled, I was upset. However, the Dj's forgot to mention WHY they were canceled. So when I got home, I read the nice surprise from Axl. I was no longer upset. In fact, I was VERY pleased with what AXL had to say. This thread seems to me to have exactly the same attitude you had in the admin thread.....so it seems this is all just another attention getting thread. Aren't all posts attention getting posts? You bring up something interesting. ?with how the DJ's didn't say why. ?"When Axl says a release date it will be HUGE!" is something I think many thought. ?Probably a lot of posts like that this past year. ?Axl posted a release date, even if it was tenative, and uh, nothing's different. ?Story here and there. ?But just your standard copy-paste summary of the letters and the "we won't beleive it until we see it'. ?I'm sure it'll pop BIG for the single, though =) Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 17, 2006, 06:18:35 PM If you were missing one of the shows I bet you would be upset. But I guess those fans dont matter right? I am one of the people missing a show because if this, and yes, when I first heard, on the radio, that this was canceled, I was upset. However, the Dj's forgot to mention WHY they were canceled. So when I got home, I read the nice surprise from Axl. I was no longer upset. In fact, I was VERY pleased with what AXL had to say. This thread seems to me to have exactly the same attitude you had in the admin thread.....so it seems this is all just another attention getting thread. Right but only a small percent of the people that read the boards even know about the release date and why the show was cancelled. You forget that? And how is an attention thread? Its just a thread asking a legit question Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Gagarin on December 17, 2006, 06:18:49 PM We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know. ? We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. That's... an awesome idea. ? The tour diary would be have been awesome too. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 06:19:42 PM jarmo they taped most of the shows on this tour so why wouldnt or couldnt they use that footage? They could. So I guess because they could, they should to please you? Unless they have another concept for the video. But that's not a good idea since they filed all the shows... And that is called an IDEA of what the first video could We are not allowed to have an option what the first video might be? What the hell are you talking about? You can guess what it will be, but when you claim they have the footage already, you're not guessing. You're saying they don't need to work on the video because they have the live footage to use. You made these claims even before you heard even one word about the video. And that is called an IDEA of You dont pull ths shit calling peope experts when they say Better is goign to be the first single now do you? No because you have a personal problem with me that is why other people in the past have said the first video for better might just be live shots and you never once made that claim about them but you did here with me I think Better will be the first video too. It's my guess. It doesn't make me an expert on the video and I don't make claims about the band already having the footage for it like you did though. grow up Hahaha! Yes you missed shows, but you had other shows to go to. I am sure most of the people that got tix to the jan shows just got to one show and now it will be zero, big difference No I didn't, the whole tour was cancelled in 2001. So, you're 100% wrong. Its just a thread asking a legit question But you don't like the answers. /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: bigbri on December 17, 2006, 06:22:13 PM I think the simple, fair and enforceable answer is that nobody is allowed to post anything other than verifiable fact. ? That way it's much easier for the mods and members alike. ?No more speculation, no more rumours and no more need for personal attacks. We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know. ? We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. GNR doesn't have to answer to us. Axl wrote us a letter, and Beta came on here and made a few more comments. That should be enough. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 06:28:44 PM We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know. We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. Please. She gets attacked for not being nice enough for your tastes and now you're asking her for favors. Dave is also now on a short break from this board. He deserves it. Asking people to grow up and calling them losers says enough of what he's been trying to accomplish here these past few days. Obviously he's above this place and we don't need that kind of fans here. He needs to think what he wants to do and where to post. I know some of you love to question everything I do, but I really have better things to do than to keep repeating myself over and over again because you refuse to pay attention. /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Howard2k on December 17, 2006, 06:32:05 PM What are you talking about? When did I attack her? I think it's awesome that she comes here.
As a GNR fan I thought it might actually be an interesting idea. Silly me. ::) Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Howard2k on December 17, 2006, 06:33:13 PM I think the simple, fair and enforceable answer is that nobody is allowed to post anything other than verifiable fact. ? That way it's much easier for the mods and members alike. ?No more speculation, no more rumours and no more need for personal attacks. We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know. ? We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. GNR doesn't have to answer to us. Axl wrote us a letter, and Beta came on here and made a few more comments. That should be enough. I'm not suggesting that they "have to answer to us". But Beta DOES come here. Mysteron tried to arrange an Axl Q&A a while back. He wasn't ostracized for it. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: chineseblues on December 17, 2006, 06:43:20 PM Promoting the album; interviews, photoshoots, letting annoying interviewers suck up to you, endorsements, shooting videos, meetings, travelling from place to place... You know, all the things that take little to no time at all. ::) How do you know how much money the label has spent on this album dave? I didn't know you were GN'R's accountant. Like I said 4 shows would not get in the way of that. The old gnr with UYI were able to do all of that with a huge world tour. As for the 14m price tag, you know that is how much has been reported dont even try to deny it. How the hell do you know what will or will not interfere in their plans to release the album on schedule? You don't so stop acting like you do. This is one of the things we were talking about in the other thread earlier, your spreading bullshit around. Because it never got in the way in the past and it does not get in the way over other bands who tour and make videos at the same time. So that is why I ask why would it get in the way now. That is why I said QUESTION. Its looking for an answer. I wil ask you the same question. How do you knwo it would get in the way. You talk like it would but in fact you dont. So you areand jarmo are doing teh same thing you asuse me of doing ::) I know dave isn't around anymore for awhile, but I feel I have to respond to this. I never claimed I knew for a fact that it would get in the way, like you are claiming it wouldn't. I'm just saying we don't know if it would or not so why take the chance? If there is even the slightest chance that it would delay things then I really don't think they should chance it. Most people would rather they take the time and get the album out on the tentative date, rather then play those 4 shows and risk the album being pushed back. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Booker Floyd on December 17, 2006, 06:48:14 PM ???
Daves recent posting has been very bizarre. Judging by its absence on this board, Im assuming that Mercks letter isnt allowed to be discussed. However, in it he says that the tour dates contributed to delays in the albums engineering (or something similar). These dates might have a similar effect. It seems a lot goes into these shows and they could be distractions if Axl is seriously focusing his efforts on the albums release. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: polluxlm on December 17, 2006, 06:49:08 PM If it is as Axl says that the album should be with the label by mid January I don't see why they couldn't have played the shows. True, things could change or get delayed, that's to be expected. But it is a little puzzling that they decide to cancell the shows immediately instead of waiting to see what will happen.
And to say they can't make 4 shows while in preparation for a release sounds like bullshit to me. A band is never all that much involved with that stuff. They have to make the decisions, be where they have to be and appear on certain things. But it's not like they're out being busy for the whole of those 60 days. Dave makes a valid point with them being able to do it in the 90s. These cancellations are definitely questionable. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Howard2k on December 17, 2006, 06:50:31 PM We can have a Q&A with Beta if she's willing and we can discuss the actual facts around what we know.? ?We don't KNOW for sure what's happening with the video and too many are incapable of discussing it in an adult fashion. Please. She gets attacked for not being nice enough for your tastes and now you're asking her for favors. /jarmo Jarmo? When did I attack Beta? Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Pingouirose on December 17, 2006, 06:51:08 PM I really don't understand all this forum war. On one side, there are the trolls, who attack, shit on the band and smoke some elvis-rumours, and on the other side Jarmo, Beta and co. But they are not right too because I think they feed all the hate on the board by answering the trolls. ;)
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: killingvector on December 17, 2006, 06:53:42 PM If Axl feels he needs the time to focus on the details of the album's completion, more power to him. I completely empathize with the problems of a divided mind: there are times when one needs the freedom to focus only on a single idea and await inspiration to find its lightning rod. Axl may also have to coordinate between the label, legal, management, engineering, artwork.....Clearly he is the only guy from the band who could manage these day to day details.
Give him the time. I dare you to find any GnR fan who would want a show in place of an earlier release date. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 17, 2006, 06:56:01 PM Jarmo? When did I attack Beta? "You" meant fans in general, not you personally. Sorry. /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Ellroy on December 17, 2006, 07:33:17 PM How would doing the 4 shows in Jan set the band back with the album? In that ?Axl? letter it said they have to have the album in EIGHT WEEKS before the release date to make the target date. If that is true that means CD has to be into the label by Jan 6th to make the march 6th release date, well those cancelled shows in Jan fall AFTER that target date and wouldn?t affect them getting the album done would it? So it makes no sense they cant do those shows because the album would already be finished and into the label by the time they happened. What are you getting at? Do you think the album won't come out in March? Do you think they cancelled these shows because they hate the fans? Is this just bored conversation that has nothing to do with anything and no thoughts behind it? Maybe the band needs to do five hundred million things to finish up everything in the first week or two of January and then to promote this album to the extent that it deserves. Everyone complained like crazy that the band/management was doing everything wrong in how they promoted (or rather didn't promote) the album when we thought it was coming out by the end of the year. Now, they say they need time to promote it to the extent that it deserves and you are complaining? Or maybe you aren't complaining, I really don't know what your intentions were when you started this topic. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: dodger girl on December 17, 2006, 07:51:19 PM I just think the UYI comparison is silly, things have changed a lot since 1991.. I believe they need these 8 weeks to launch a big promotional campaign, one that goes hand in hand with the greatness of this album, remember CD is not just your average album, i think they are gonna try to promote it in a fair way that meets up to the expectations of this album
I could be wrong though Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: ben9785 on December 17, 2006, 08:01:05 PM I understand and feel there is justification to the developments of the album, and the cancellation of the dates.
I sympathise and feel bad for the fans, but I can understand they are taking every possible measure to tie up any legal issues and finally turn the album over to the record company to release. If the album is on schedule for release by the record company and a legal issue intervenes, it has the threat to fuck everything up for the album and the band completely no matter how small or insignificant it may deem to be. I believe 8 weeks is a fairly reasonable period of time for the album release. Sure, it could be done in less time, but considering the nature and status of the album, I'm sure they would implement each week at least of those 8 weeks to 'roll' out the album.. whether it is a 'part by part' MTV exclusive, or an ongoing interactive feature on their website.. the possibilities are endless. Just on a more personal, immediate note here, these people who are trying to pick fights or question everything or ruin the nature of this forum. Please, I know this is a public forum, and I'm not a moderator, but I don't understand why everybody is against each other. This should be the greatest period as Guns and Roses fans. Everybody for the most part is very excited about this news and the developments. Put all the differences aside. For starters, its just a forum, no need to be offensive or take things seriously or too personally. Let's all just take it as it comes, please. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: oneway23 on December 18, 2006, 12:34:00 AM It has already been mentioned that the period of time that was meant for these 4 shows is critical to some last minute negotiation. I suppose the band could have chosen to play the gigs, but anyone that believes that Axl will not be heavily involved in all of these meetings is underestimating his involvement with every minute detail with regard to CD.
While it is an unfortunate occurrence for GNR fans who had tickets to these four shows, I sincerely doubt that any fan would hesitate postponing these shows for a properly executed and timely release. Now, if for some reason, it is discovered that this time was not used in an effective manner, thereby delaying the release, then there is reason for anger. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Crowebar on December 18, 2006, 12:43:03 AM Dave is also now on a short break from this board. He deserves it. /jarmo Wow! :o Hey jarmo, how long do you anticipate daves 'short break' to last? ??? Just curious as I didn't know you could actually get temporarily banned. :nervous: Perhaps dave needs to have some negative karma applied to himself as well? :confused: Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: badintentions on December 18, 2006, 01:32:46 AM I can't believe he got banned for that.
This board is out of control with the deleting posts, banning etc. I'm sure this post will get removed. It has been out of control here for a few months now but it seems to only be getting worse. Pretty much every post Jarmo makes has a really nasty negative tone. Just some observations. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: killingvector on December 18, 2006, 01:39:45 AM I can't believe he got banned for that. This board is out of control with the deleting posts, banning etc. I'm sure this post will get removed. It has been out of control here for a few months now but it seems to only be getting worse. Pretty much every post Jarmo makes has a really nasty negative tone. Just some observations. I hate when anyone gets banned, but this board has been very unpleasant the past two days. If anything can calm it down and return us to the controlled excitement of Friday night, then it should be done Dave will be back. He will be better than ever too. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Crowebar on December 18, 2006, 01:40:23 AM Pretty much every post Jarmo makes has a really nasty negative tone. jarmo does seem a lot different as of late. :'( There was a time around here when he wasn't like this and I remember the difference. :yes: Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: jarmo on December 18, 2006, 03:06:46 AM jarmo does seem a lot different as of late. :'( You would be too if you had to deal with all the negativity in a time when you should be excited. I saw GN'R live for the first time since 1991 this year, we got to hear some new songs, we have a new member in the band, I was fortunate enough to be able to see GN'R abroad and even go to North America for the first time ever (and see them there) and we got a letter from Axl with a tentative release date. Yet there are people out there who are trying very hard to make it impossible, for those of us who are happy about these things, to feel happy/excited. I don't get it. I don't get the negativity now. I understood some of it in 2005. Not anymore. /jarmo Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Crowebar on December 18, 2006, 03:37:27 AM jarmo does seem a lot different as of late. :'( You would be too if you had to deal with all the negativity in a time when you should be excited. I saw GN'R live for the first time since 1991 this year, we got to hear some new songs, we have a new member in the band, I was fortunate enough to be able to see GN'R abroad and even go to North America for the first time ever (and see them there) and we got a letter from Axl with a tentative release date. Yet there are people out there who are trying very hard to make it impossible, for those of us who are happy about these things, to feel happy/excited. I don't get it. I don't get the negativity now. I understood some of it in 2005. Not anymore. /jarmo I hear you jarmo and I think it sucks too. I'm not being negative and I'm also very excited with all the stuff that's been happening. I was also looking forward to meeting you guys in Toronto but I was in too much pain to make it. :crying: I still am and I'm trying very hard to remain happy and positive. Just remember 1 thing and that's that most of us appreciate you and this site and I'm one of them. Not to get too mushy but, it kind of hurts to see you getting upset like this. Please keep a cool head and even though it's hard, try to not let others negativity get you down bro. :beer: Life's too short and it's not worth it to get upset with other peoples negative comments. Your site is awesome and you should be proud of it and GNR is probably grateful to you too. Here's to 2007 being a great year for all of us and also for Axl and GNR!!! : ok: :beer: Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: PigeonOfSh!tMetal on December 18, 2006, 04:16:01 AM Perhaps one day GN'R will do something you don't question... ::)
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: D on December 18, 2006, 05:04:36 AM who says it will be live shots?! and live shots are corny. it sucks. leave that for bon jovi. GNR should try to push the envelope. Yeah u are right. GNR have never used live shots in a video ::) ::) The album wont come out till March 6th but Video, single, radio visits, TV promotions etc etc. At least Axl gave people over a month's notice of the cancellations. Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: wight gunner on December 18, 2006, 06:49:02 AM Given that 2006 in the main has be very sucessful for the band, it seems more than reasonable that Axl et al want to continue that sucess. For those that have dipped out on the shows, its bad luck, but at least its been done way in advance so as to lessen the inconveinience, some have turned up at venues and got a no-show before.
As for the promotion, I would guess that the band would want to stay away from using live stuff for what is a very important period in the history of Guns n' Roses.? The video of the next single I think should tell the story, Better, The Blues, Maddie or IRS would be served better by a story board formatted video rather than live shots.? No doubt there are a few live show images that could be incorporated, the photo of Axl giving the finger that was on the offical site for example.? Taking it to pass works done, WTTJ is a better Video than PC or LALD yet of the three (on sales terms) the less sucessful. The idea for cancelling the shows is about continuity, its about getting outside agencies and experts booked up to be with Guns n' Roses for X amount of days (or weeks) to work on pre-production, the shoot and the post production stuff.? The album has been in the making for donkeys years at the cost of Millions of $$$$, does anybody really beleive that the release would be done on the cheap? It would be like launching a Rolls Royce with an emulsion paint job.... Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: god of thunder on December 18, 2006, 07:19:47 AM well also depends on the "muse" on how fast they will be able to make the "finishing touches". By cancelling the rest of the tour they are on the save side id the "muse" does need longer then planned ;D
Title: Re: question about the cancelled dates in jan Post by: Fingers on December 18, 2006, 09:59:45 AM It seems like now GNR gets hell for cancelling shows-I know Philly, Vancouver, things like that don't help, but there are concerts here in Cleveland that get cancelled due to scheduling conflicts, illness all the time-and not all of these artists post a long e-mail like Axl did-like I said, he sometimes dosen't help his own cause due to past events, but if people are going to bitch about 4 concerts cancelled a month in advance, especially if you are not even going to it, then take a break, like Axl said. The negative stuff after a great year for GNR after a couple years of total silence is amazing to me.
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