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Title: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Mr. Redman on December 15, 2006, 01:13:35 PM
Yeah, the title says it all, and the letter was all positive.

So, any reason to why it was deleted?


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: polluxlm on December 15, 2006, 01:15:24 PM
Don't ask :P

Maybe Jarmo will tell us when he returns.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: DeN on December 15, 2006, 01:19:23 PM
i had the time to read it and it was very interesting.

anyway, thx mister Mercuriadis for the five years you devoted to Axl & the band.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Howard2k on December 15, 2006, 01:21:41 PM
You're only allowed to talk about it when/if the mods decide it's time.

Until then, please stick to the allowed topics.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: DeN on December 15, 2006, 01:24:15 PM
march ?  :hihi:

in fact it was more interesting to read than the Axl letter.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Nightrained on December 15, 2006, 01:36:37 PM
You're only allowed to talk about it when/if the mods decide it's time.

Until then, please stick to the allowed topics.

Whatever happend to free speech, eh?

It's either because:-

Mercks just left the camp, and probably cannot be trusted, as his side might be have twisted truth in it.

Or...

The email wasn't sent to HTGTH and it's not on gunsnroses.com so it must be false.  ::)


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Howard2k on December 15, 2006, 01:42:33 PM
You're only allowed to talk about it when/if the mods decide it's time.

Until then, please stick to the allowed topics.

Whatever happend to free speech, eh?

It's either because:-

Mercks just left the camp, and probably cannot be trusted, as his side might be have twisted truth in it.

Or...

The email wasn't sent to HTGTH and it's not on gunsnroses.com so it must be false.? ::)

Free Speech doesn't apply to an Internet forum.   But you'd think that common sense would.   It's GNR related and this IS a GNR related forum.  Or was. 


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 01:44:20 PM
Things are removed from this board becaause it's the offical "unofficial" forum......

This board has been hosted on sanctuary servers before, and although Jarmo claims that is no longer the case, I have a hunch that it still is.  And I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo receives a paycheck or some other financial benefits from all of this (like flights, tickets, and backstage passes -- which we know to be the case)

I'm not dissing Jarmo here, just pointing out that this is a forum run by GNR so you can't expect them to let people just post anything.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: chineseblues on December 15, 2006, 01:46:55 PM
Things are removed from this board becaause it's the offical "unofficial" forum......

This board has been hosted on sanctuary servers before, and although Jarmo claims that is no longer the case, I have a hunch that it still is.  And I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo receives a paycheck or some other financial benefits from all of this (like flights, tickets, and backstage passes -- which we know to be the case)

I'm not dissing Jarmo here, just pointing out that this is a forum run by GNR so you can't expect them to let people just post anything.

You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?  ::)


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Howard2k on December 15, 2006, 01:48:31 PM
Things are removed from this board becaause it's the offical "unofficial" forum......

This board has been hosted on sanctuary servers before, and although Jarmo claims that is no longer the case, I have a hunch that it still is.? And I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo receives a paycheck or some other financial benefits from all of this (like flights, tickets, and backstage passes -- which we know to be the case)

I'm not dissing Jarmo here, just pointing out that this is a forum run by GNR so you can't expect them to let people just post anything.

You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?? ::)

Hey Captain Obvious - he said "I wouldn't be surprised".   He doesn't know for a fact, it was quite clear. :)


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: chineseblues on December 15, 2006, 01:49:24 PM
Things are removed from this board becaause it's the offical "unofficial" forum......

This board has been hosted on sanctuary servers before, and although Jarmo claims that is no longer the case, I have a hunch that it still is.  And I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo receives a paycheck or some other financial benefits from all of this (like flights, tickets, and backstage passes -- which we know to be the case)

I'm not dissing Jarmo here, just pointing out that this is a forum run by GNR so you can't expect them to let people just post anything.

You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?  ::)

Hey Captain Obvious - he said "I wouldn't be surprised".   He doesn't know for a fact, it was quite clear. :)

He also said "which we know to be the case" meaning he knows for a a fact that it is happening. That is quite clear Genius.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 01:49:44 PM
You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?  ::)

Did I say that???  ::)

no.

I'm just saying that the site doesn't have ads and is supported financially by someone.  Jarmo has admitted that it used to be on sanctuary servers.  who do you think is paying the bills?  it's not fucking advertisers, or Jarmo himself.  The band must be paying the bills, and in return they get all of the negative shit deleted from the forum.

c'mon, it doesn't take a high school diploma to understand this...


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: chineseblues on December 15, 2006, 01:51:17 PM
You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?  ::)

Did I say that???  ::)

no.

I'm just saying that the site doesn't have ads and is supported financially by someone.  Jarmo has admitted that it used to be on sanctuary servers.  who do you think is paying the bills?  it's not fucking advertisers, or Jarmo himself.  The band must be paying the bills, and in return they get all of the negative shit deleted from the forum.

c'mon, it doesn't take a high school diploma to understand this...

Just because the site was once hosted on Sanctuary's servers doesn't mean Jarmo is getting paid. Besides, GNR isn't with Sanctuary anymore so why oh why would they continue to host tis site?


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: DeN on December 15, 2006, 01:52:50 PM
if it's true, it's sad.

we need our independence to freely talk about GNR
actuality, even if it's not from the band itself.



Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Howard2k on December 15, 2006, 01:53:44 PM
Things are removed from this board becaause it's the offical "unofficial" forum......

This board has been hosted on sanctuary servers before, and although Jarmo claims that is no longer the case, I have a hunch that it still is.? And I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo receives a paycheck or some other financial benefits from all of this (like flights, tickets, and backstage passes -- which we know to be the case)

I'm not dissing Jarmo here, just pointing out that this is a forum run by GNR so you can't expect them to let people just post anything.

You know for a fact he gets paid by the band?? ::)

Hey Captain Obvious - he said "I wouldn't be surprised".? ?He doesn't know for a fact, it was quite clear. :)

He also said "which we know to be the case" meaning he knows for a a fact that it is happening. That is quite clear Genius.

It's a contextual thing.   Maybe next time he'll write in crayon ;)


I'm just winding you up, no offence intended.  :)


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: destry rides again on December 15, 2006, 01:54:10 PM
LOL, and now I get negative karma for pointing this out?  What the fuck it that about?  I would use a four-letter word that starts with "N" and ends with "i" but I don't want to get banned again

if this isn't proof that this board is run by GNR, I don't know what else is.

And I can't beleive that I get negative karma just by pointing this out, I didn't diss jarmo or the board or anything.  hrmfph.

YOU GOT NEGATIVE KARMA BECAUSE YOU MADE THE SAME POST IN TWO SEPERATE TOPICS.

As I pointed out in the karma thread. Don't fucking assume things....


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 01:54:20 PM
Just because the site was once hosted on Sanctuary's servers doesn't mean Jarmo is getting paid. Besides, GNR isn't with Sanctuary anymore so why oh why would they continue to host tis site?

DUDE, I never said he was getting paid, I said that "I wouldn't be surprised" 

Quit putting fucking words in my mouth.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 01:55:20 PM
LOL, and now I get negative karma for pointing this out?  What the fuck it that about?  I would use a four-letter word that starts with "N" and ends with "i" but I don't want to get banned again

if this isn't proof that this board is run by GNR, I don't know what else is.

And I can't beleive that I get negative karma just by pointing this out, I didn't diss jarmo or the board or anything.  hrmfph.

YOU GOT NEGATIVE KARMA BECAUSE YOU MADE THE SAME POST IN TWO SEPERATE TOPICS.

As I pointed out in the karma thread. Don't fucking assume things....

LOL

sorry, I didn't know that was grounds for negative karma.  I thought karma had to do with ethical violations.  sorry about that, I will delete those posts : ok:


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: chineseblues on December 15, 2006, 01:55:55 PM
Just because the site was once hosted on Sanctuary's servers doesn't mean Jarmo is getting paid. Besides, GNR isn't with Sanctuary anymore so why oh why would they continue to host tis site?

DUDE, I never said he was getting paid, I said that "I wouldn't be surprised" 

Quit putting fucking words in my mouth.

Stop hiding behind semantics. Your still accusing him of something you have no idea about.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: destry rides again on December 15, 2006, 01:56:39 PM
LOL, and now I get negative karma for pointing this out?  What the fuck it that about?  I would use a four-letter word that starts with "N" and ends with "i" but I don't want to get banned again

if this isn't proof that this board is run by GNR, I don't know what else is.

And I can't beleive that I get negative karma just by pointing this out, I didn't diss jarmo or the board or anything.  hrmfph.

YOU GOT NEGATIVE KARMA BECAUSE YOU MADE THE SAME POST IN TWO SEPERATE TOPICS.

As I pointed out in the karma thread. Don't fucking assume things....

LOL

sorry, I didn't know that was grounds for negative karma.  I thought karma had to do with ethical violations.  sorry about that, I will delete those posts : ok:

It's already been deleted.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: DeN on December 15, 2006, 02:05:20 PM
soon, an open letter from jarmo ?  :hihi:


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Izzy on December 15, 2006, 02:15:01 PM
I think this is great - Merck, who endlessly called for posts to be deleted because they contradicted the party line, gets his letter removed :rofl:

Frankly, why is the band so intrested in censoring this board? They cant control the internet - do they think controlling one message board will dicatate the world's opinion on the band?




Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 02:16:17 PM
I think this is great - Merck, who endlessly called for posts to be deleted because they contradicted the party line, gets his letter removed :rofl:


LOL, no shit!  I bet merck is feeling like hell right now.

Who's your daddy!?!?!?


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Bandita on December 15, 2006, 02:20:10 PM
I think this is great - Merck, who endlessly called for posts to be deleted because they contradicted the party line, gets his letter removed :rofl:

Frankly, why is the band so intrested in censoring this board? They cant control the internet - do they think controlling one message board will dicatate the world's opinion on the band?




It is sort of ironic and humorous!!! :rofl:


Title: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: bombom on December 15, 2006, 02:55:44 PM
I am curious as to the above.  Is it purely cos he is no longer "one of the crew"?

I actually thought it was an interesting piece, especially where it notes the new tour kicking off around album release time in Dubai!

anyone care to give me a valid reason why then?

BomBom


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: Naupis on December 15, 2006, 02:58:15 PM
Because he takes credit for writing Axl's letter, and we are only supposed to see that it was Axl who wrote it and consisted of nothing but his honest feelings.


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: gnr420 on December 15, 2006, 02:58:22 PM
because the mods here are crazy nerds on power trips


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: moons on December 15, 2006, 03:00:03 PM
yeah i want to see his statement, and i cant find it.

if merck had made a statement yesterday, you all would have been jumpiing on it and putting it on the front page. now cause axl turns on him (for no apparant reason save heresay) you do too?? thats not cool


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: velvet1223 on December 15, 2006, 03:00:54 PM
I want to see it!


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: EFISH on December 15, 2006, 03:02:48 PM
Check other GNR sites and you might find it.  :P


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: Naupis on December 15, 2006, 03:04:21 PM
Quote
Check other GNR sites and you might find it.

I know, I really don't like a certain other GNR site, but often find myself forced to go there otherwise I would be in the dark half the time about what is going on with GNR. HTGTH needs to get back to the days of being one-stop shopping.


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: SLCPUNK on December 15, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
I think both sides should be presented. So I have it up at my place as well.



Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: gandra on December 15, 2006, 03:06:30 PM
merck didn't write nothing bad

he said lot of good things for axl


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: Bandita on December 15, 2006, 03:07:15 PM
I think both sides should be presented. So I have it up at my place as well.



I have it posted up on MySpace. ?I think it needs to be read. ?I usually agree with what gets censored but I can't agree with this. ?Merck was a part of the GNR camp for a long time.


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: bombom on December 15, 2006, 03:07:34 PM
What I can't understand tho, is that he was very supportive of Axl and GNR even tho he has been "let go"

If he ragged Axl and the band then I would understand why, but he gives his props to them, even so far as to say that the new band kicks the shit out of the old one!

I would be interested in a Mod's view on this topic, thats why i posted the original question


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: SLCPUNK on December 15, 2006, 03:07:38 PM
merck didn't write nothing bad

he said lot of good things for axl

He was fair and a gentleman I think. Very professional.


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: nonlinear on December 15, 2006, 03:08:36 PM
I really don't like a certain other GNR site, but often find myself forced to go there otherwise I would be in the dark half the time about what is going on with GNR.

I could not agree more.


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: bombom on December 15, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
I really don't like a certain other GNR site, but often find myself forced to go there otherwise I would be in the dark half the time about what is going on with GNR.

I could not agree more.

Considering this is one of the best GNR sites on the 'net, I find that kind of sad but thats the way this site is run and its abide or go forth and multiply isn't it


Title: Re: Why are links to Merck's Statement being deleted?
Post by: Ivona on December 15, 2006, 03:10:47 PM
I have read it here this morning and then it was gone. He was very possitive and professional in what he said. Gave a lot of credit to Mr. Rose and the band. I dont get why its being deleted either


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: estranged.1098 on December 15, 2006, 03:34:34 PM
This is jarmo's site and he has the right to delete anything he wants to.

With that said, I think we need a better written policy to define what is and isn't allowed to be posted here. People are just gonna get frustrated over and over again until that happens, and usually that translates badly to not only this forum, but to the band as well.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: TAP on December 15, 2006, 03:46:23 PM


With that said, I think we need a better written policy to define what is and isn't allowed to be posted here.

That would be a little like counting Tuesdays.


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: bazgnr on December 15, 2006, 03:47:09 PM
Can anyone PM me a link to Merk's letter...I've read bit and pieces on mtv.com, but I want the to check out the whole thing...


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: Guns N RockMusic on December 15, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
There's a difference between deleting unnecessary negative posts from idiots looking for attention and deleting something meaningful and insightful. ?I understood and supported keeping the board clean from BS, but this is too much. ?Jarmo toed the line to every command of Merck and if Merck said jump, Jarmo asked how high. ?There's such a thing as blind loyalty, and it's never good. ?Merck's response was nothing but positive and explanatory - it answered so many questions we've had. ?It almost seems as if certain moderators want to foster all the bullshit rumors and speculations. ?How can you claim otherwise when you delete something that silences so many of the bullshit rumors.

What ever happened to the "respect" that was cited for deleting everything.  Is there no more respect for Merck?


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: jarmo on December 15, 2006, 04:52:34 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've explained myself and it doesn't seem to make any sense to you.

Too bad.




/jarmo


Title: Re: Any reason to why the Open Letter From Merck was removed?
Post by: bazgnr on December 15, 2006, 04:56:07 PM
Thanks to everyone who helped me out...it's greatly appreciated.  It seems that, even though Merk will not be a part of the Guns picture, he played quite a role in CD's eventual release.  His honesty and candor is appreciated...