Here Today... Gone To Hell!

GUNS N? ROSES
SAVE MART CENTER
DECEMBER 13, 2006
CANCELLED
 

(Los Angeles, CA ?December 12, 2006)  Live Nation and Guns N' Roses have announced that the Guns N' Roses show at the Save Mart Center in Fresno, CA has been cancelled.  Sincere apologies go out to all the fans in Fresno who bought a ticket.  We hope you can make it to the band's show in Oakland, CA at the ORACLE Arena (formerly Oakland Arena) on Friday night the 15th of December, which will proceed as scheduled.  Refunds for the Fresno show are available at point of purchase.



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why?

I take it an announcement of why it was cancelled will be made later as well?

ANYONE KNOW WHY ?

Crap.......

Bullshit.

Sorry everyone that was planning on going.  :'(

Not good, not good ?:no:

Wow that sucks for the guys going to see them

http://www.livenation.com/event/getEvent/eventId/244636/

I hope there is an explanation coming with that press release. ?I am going to the Oakland show and I am glad that it is supposed to go on as scheduled, but I feel bad for the people that were going to the Fresno show.

here we go again....so do we all still believe all the excuses for the other shows? this sucks for people that travel across the country to see them like myself...now i need to change plane tickets and hopefully the other california shows will happen....

I feel for the people that were going too. I have been too!! Sorry guys! Hope everyone is okay.

Another cancellation..

OH my.

hold on pardners there should be a reason ok.there goes them natives getting restless again.

So what is the reason. Surely there is a reason as to why! So last night the show ends with no Paradise City and now tomorrows show is canceled. Something must be going on. Is a band member ill or whats happening. Merck cant just go off a live nation press release, he has to give us some information.

Sorry for those who are going to miss this show. I hope you find a way to get to Oakland.

Half the articles on gunsnroses.com are going to be cancellation press releases.. :-\

damn. that sucks. hopefully a reason for the cancellation will come soon.

sorry to the Fresno folks.

i just pray that 1/16 San Diego show goes off without a hitch. ?i've had a ticket since September. (when it used to be scheduled for an October show)
this will be my first GN'R show.

Jarmo,  any other word as to why it has been cancelled or if there will be a press release with more information about why the event was cancelled?

is there a light at the end of the tunnel ?
you soposse ?
beta '

This is making me nervous.

Like mega_music said - last night, the walk-off before Paradise City and now all of a sudden tomorrow's show is canceled? Something is wrong, and I hope management lets us know what it is for our sanity's sake.

Yesterday they didnt do PC? HUH? Please show me a link to this?  :confused:

wow, for the amount of time you spend here I figure you would have been the first to read that, lol

Read the reviews on the discussion thread.

Are you a newbie?  :hihi:

Why are you assuming something horrible is wrong? God you people always jump to conclusions, 2 + 2 does not = 5 you know.

this is gonna be an interesting few weeks leading up to the new year I wonder what else bad or good can happen

well at least the press release does say the 15th show WILL GO ON AS SCHEDULED

Great, the 3rd cancelled show of the North American tour. ?And this time they don't even give an exuse. ?

I just find it oddly coincidental that Axl walked off early last night, and tomorrow's show is canceled with no explanation.

i like that...ever the optimist. i hope so.

Dude.. why does everybody freak out?

2006 has been a great year for Guns N' Roses.

The only people who should complain are the people who were planning on going to that show.. otherwise.. lighten up. GNR NA Tour 2006 is doing absolutely fine..

We always get an explaination, you just gotta wait for it.

oh well at least the show on the 15th will happen. I feel for the fans in fresno

Its just bringing back shades of 2002 for me, and its making me nervous.  :nervous:

yeah im trying to be optimistic. it sucks for the people who were going to this show but others are acting like its the end of the world. yea something is up but it cant be real bad when they state they are still doing the show on the 15th : ok:

hopefully planning a proper release for CD we can only hope

Indeed. I've got my fingers crossed.

And my toes..

And my eyes...

There was no reason given. So what? You'd still call it lies. What's the use of giving reasons when all you get is a bunch of upset people calling it bullshit and lies?


Look forward, the next show is going ahead as planned.





/jarmo

We hope it will be. CC was quick to pull the plug.

Who cares about the "you" you speak of. They should (and most likely will) give a reason, simply out of respect for the people that bought tickets.

Dude, don't be so fuckin' negative... I mean, give us a reason and forget about everyone else who is being a shithead about the whole deal, we want to know what's going on. If you have the info and don't want to share it, then... ?:no:

My brother in law, also a fan, called it. When I told him I was going he said I won't believe it until he's on the stage.

Argh!!!!!!

There are some of us here that don't call bullshit when we hear something. Why do you put the same label on everyone around here. A lot of the people on this board only want to know what is up and don't call it lies when they get answers.

I for one want to know what happened but if we don't find out you won't see me posting stupid shit about Axl or anyone else connected to the band.

That's all I wanted to say : ok:

I was just coming by to post this that I got from the venue contact:

Unfortunately the show has been cancelled. Tickets can be refunded from the point of purchase.

Michelle Cassida

Patron Services Manager

SMG

Save Mart Center AT FRESNO STATE

559.347.3411 phone

559.347.3405 fax

mcassida@savemartcenter.com

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I contacted them as soon as I saw that the show was taken off the venue website.

You should. You seem like one of them.  :P



I don't have any info.

I just pointed out how absurd it is. People asking for reasons when we all know as soon as they've given a valid reason in the past, we'd had people yelling "bullshit!".



/jarmo

that is a perfect example of what its like to be a gnr fan - we try to defend the band, tell our friends the album is definitly coming out this year, that axl is for real this year, that its back to normal. ?But when they do shit like this its us fans on the front lines that are left to defend the faceless entinity known as GNR

I'm on the phone with ticketmaster trying to get a refund ( i bought online) and they are saying no refunds after Dec 1. WTF!!!!! I'm on hold for a supervisor.

I just want my $180 back....

Jarmo I get the fact that a lot of people would still be complaining even if they gave a reason, but it would be nice if they did a press release giving an explanation.

Okay, here is the skinny, I live about 30 minutes from the Savemart Arena. I attend night classes at Fresno State, our rec center is across a sidewak to the Savemart Center. The venue is on campus. I have a few freinds who work at the center, and I work out there and have seen the non existant lines/interest. This show was a rescheduled show after a previously cancelled show. A freind of mine told me that the ticket sales were poor.

I am not surprised, this area of California, while a HUGE city is exptremely agricultural. Rock and Roll is not on the map there. I dont live in Fresno, I am actually closer to Yosemite, but when I am at school at State noone mentionsed it, there was no buzz and noone really even knew/cared. I think this was doomed from the start and expecting people to buy tickets to a concert at these prices two weeks from Chistmas is a disaster.

I checked online, and there are still yickets available for the Oakland show, and those had ALREADY sold well. SO I am gueesing it will just be to low of ticket sales. The Savemart Center is less than 2 years old or so and seats like 20 k and it hardly seems worth a mediocre turnout.

Oracle arena is approximately three hours from savemart (not including horrific traffic along the way) so the sojourn there should take closer to 4.

I am bummed, but I am sure they will play in Oakland. It is am older arena and not an argricultural type crowd. That is my opinion, we will see.

P.S. A cancelled stop from a rescheduled show in central California will not kill the tour, they have mostly good venues left. It is just a hiccup in the road, sucks, I was gonna be there, but I will be there on the 15TH

Guys, GO TO !!!OAKLAND!!!!!! LETS SHOW AXL ROSE HOW OAKLAND ROCKS LIKE NO OTHER CITY!!!! :beer:

hey you guys at least its not less than an hour before they're scheduled to go on  ;D

Ticketmaster still doesn't know the show is cancelled. I'm getting the run around from them. I'm still on the phone while the supervisor contacts the "contact" for that event.
More news as it becomes available.......

Sounds plausible. Sorry for the folks who did buy tickets- hopefully they can get to the other Central Californian gigs. Anyway, let's not all run off and cry in our beds. If anything- it's nights like this (if low ticket sales is the reason) that should confirm the fact to the powers that be that they can't just roll into every market and sell the joint out on the basis of AFD alone. A new album, some music videos, singles, etc. are required if this band is going to make an impact in markets like Fresno, Maine, Nashville, etc.

First off, I'm sorry for all the fans who had tickets, and I hope you get to see the band soon - it's a great show, and well worth the effort and inconvenience.

That said, I'm disappointed that the next update we'll likely see on the web site is another cancellation notice rather than an annoucement on the album's release.

I'm far from a veteran on this board...after reading for years, I first started to actually participating less than a full year ago. Granted, the leaks were just starting to happen, but it was still relatively "quiet" concerning all things GnR. ?The discussions here were good ones, and if I had to describe the mood of those who were posting, it would be hopeful, anxious, and of course, patient.

Since then - and now that Axl and GnR are back in the public eye, playing new songs, and no longer behind closed doors - there has been much more to talk about in some ways, and it's many of the new members to the board who are doing a lot of the talking. ?It makes me sad that - rather than actually discussing the band, their music, etc. - most of the "discussion" that takes place is simply unsubstantiated rumor-spreading and people taking shots at the band for what they don't like or agree with...over, and over, and over again.

Jarmo - I understand the frustration at those who continuously take shots at the band - it *is* absurd. ?To me, it's more of a distinction between loyal fans (yes, even frustrated loyal fans) who truly love the band and their music, and those just looking to take shots, to bitch, and to get people around here worked up...unfortunately, that last group is growing in number. ? I agree with that sense of frustration, and find myself reading this board less and less as a result. ?

However, there are many of us - myself included - who don't find it unreasable to make objective comments and speculations about what happens with the band, why shows are cancelled, and - far more importantly - how it all may affect future shows, the album release, etc. ?It's not mindless complaining, and the intentions have nothing to do with taking shots at the band. ?I'm *thrilled* to see them in action again, and - in spite of no CD so far - it's been a phenominal year to be a Guns n Roses fan. ? If I seem negative, it's because I want to see the band be back where they belong - as ?genre-busting rock and roll legends - and get nervous that any mis-step might take Axl back into seclusion. ?I want to see them succeed and release CD more than anything. ?And no matter what, I still remain hopeful, anxious, and patient.

Again, Jarmo - I truly understand you comments, and why you make them. ?I just want to respectfully suggest that "you" may apply to fewer people around here than you think...

Fuck you haters.  I'm as sad as anyone about the show not going on, but you know what?  That's just rock n' roll, baby.  Sometimes rock stars can't play.  BOO FUCKING HOO.  If you hate it so much, why don't you do something else with your life -- like UNPLUG FROM THE INTERNET AND QUIT BITCHING.

It sucks that you didn't get an excuse, but like Jarmo says, you won't believe it anyways so what's the point.  If you're not prepared to believe what Axl/Merck say, then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE?   I'm sorry, but you're either a fan or you're not.  Get on or get the fuck off.

so does jarmo ever get upset with the band? i mean, just because someone is a fan doesn't mean you can't get upset.  I love gnr, i get mad at them.  i love the red sox, i get mad at them.  i love the bruins, i get mad at them.  for fuck's sake, you don't always have to stick up for them and suck their dick.  no album, a bunch of cancelled shows, no reasons for either, you bet you're ass i'm mad at the band.  i don't understand how some ppl can still stick by them like everything is all dandy.  and yes, i'm a real fan, so don't take that route when you try to flame me.

Upset about a cancelled show? No... It happens. Most artists cancel shows.


I was in Portland after a seven hour bus ride from New York.

I didn't sit and dwell on it.


Regarding all the other things you're upset about, it's like Bumblefoot said. I don't like to focus on something that I don't have right now.



/jarmo

I'm sure you can understand people getting upset over things they care about.

How about upset for other reasons?

No use trying to talk sense into him, dude.  Plain and simple... HE'S A HATER.  Take your negativity somewhere else.  I know you were excited about seeing Axl after all this time, but fuck dude... don't dwell on it.  It's already been -- like what -- ten minutes?

Oh no!!!  Save the Mart! :hihi:

Whatever...

 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Are u serious?

maybe cause after a cancelled Philly Show the tour ended and we didnt hear from Axl for 4 years.


Maybe cause CD isnt coming out in 2006 coupled with Axl walkin off before PC and now a cancelled show...

U dont think people should worry?

How long have u been on this forum?

 :-\


cancelled show number 4 on this tour?

nashville
portland
milwaukee
fresno

well anyway...  i guess they had a good reason to cancel the concert ( as merck stated a while ago, we shouldn`t forget that the band is making money off this : ok:)

it`s just not the best publicity. this is gnr/axl rose. it`s quite normal, that artists cancel a show from time to time, but if gnr cancels a gig the media/public usually jumps on it.... and as i said before... it`s the fourth show on this tour they cancelled...

rock on gnr!!

Axl played two songs for an encore. Sure he didnt play PC but I would ?hardly call that waking off. As for the cancelled show, does anyone know if this show was close to being sold out?

Dave u are a smart guy

Name one concert since 2002 that Axl didnt play Paradise City or the band didnt play it with Bach?

the fact the show the next night is cancelled isnt a horrible end of the world sign, but I cant blame people for being nervous or concerned.


I say Axl is just exhausted again.

July 19th, 2006 - Newcastle, UK @ Metro Radio Arena



/jarmo

i just hope everyone in the band is OK, and not ill or something.
Im sure there is a valid reason for canceling the show!

Nowhere near, you could still get some of the best tickets untill today

Ticket sales were terrible the first time around. I think it is due to ticket sales. That is why they did not give an explanation. No big deal. It is another small market that they should not have booked at this point-probably thought the album would be out by the time of the show and ticket sales would pick up. Album date got bumped and they were left with their "ass in the air!" :hihi: Move on to the next city. The tour is still overall a success. : ok:

So it seems it was cancelled due to low ticket sales. Fair enough, one shouldn't expect any more without proper promotion or a new album on the shelves. I wonder what they will say in an eventual press release.

The press release is up on www.gunsnroses.com now...
Nice new picture..

also feat. an article about Welcome to the jungle as one of the best LA songs..   : ok:

i'm getting nothing on the link

One question, was Bach even there? Wasn't he suppose to miss a couple of dates because he was headlining a couple of gigs somewhere else?

Just a question, I don't remember.

My guess is that we all are.

Nice pic though.

Actually it isnt a small market, just not a very hip rock and roll city, it has a few cool pockets, but Fresno ?(while growing culturally) spend most of its early years as a home for Mongs, Vietnames and Mexican immigrants. ?It just is an industrial /agricultural area. ?Oakland will be great. ?: ok: Just east of the bay area. :peace:

if you want to believe that, do it. I really dont know how you reach that conclusion, maybe you just wish that. I am not surprised: many so called GNR fans want GNR to fail.

GNR has sold out like 15 shows between Europe and USA. An average of 22.500 people went to see GNR in Europe without ''proper promotion'' and new album on the shelves and the expectation of fans in all the GNR community is bigger than EVER. GNR did like 50 awesome 2 hours shows with impressive setlists and performances in 20 countries and now we crucify Axl and the band for one (fourth) show cancelled? You dont need to know the real ressons: you will be believe what you want to believe. Jarmo is right in that: lots of people dont need reasons. They will say ''bullshit'' anyway because THAT is what they want to believe.

Im as sad as you because of this cancelation, but why daydream reasons?

Why would any artist cancel any show due to poor ticket sales?

Every ticket sold makes them money. ?If a show gets cancelled, they don't get money from ticket sales.

Every bit of merchandise sold at a show makes them money. ?If a show gets cancelled, they don't get money from merchandise sales.

And besides the money, there's the integrity factor.

I don't buy "poor ticket sales" as the reason for this cancellation.

I hope everyone in the band is okay.

Because if they dont sell enought tix its not worth doing the show because the cost of the show will be more than how much they make for doing the show.

Dave is correct. Also, the promoter/Live Nation may lose money.

lol. Regardless of myself, the point is that GNR shouldn't care about the negative people. I could never understand why Beta spends her time on this forum replying to negative people when she could be discussing interesting things with the people that still support this band. How many times did she do that?


That's because you were given an explanation. If there wasn't one it would not have been normal for you to just accept it.

The customers that bought tickets for tomorrow's cancelled show deserve the same, and I'm sure they'll get it.

This is a very good post and something I didnt think about.

edit: hmm, but dave might be right too  :hihi: oh well...
 
BTW does anyone know why Axl walked off before PC?

i agree with these points. ?low ticket sales seems like a lame reason to cancel the show! ?the 'integrity factor' alone, would make it worth playing!
the fans who would have gone to this show would have been able to spread the word about what a kick ass show GN'R put on... therefore leading to more ticket and merchandise sales for the other CA shows, and *cough* CD!!

Here is an example. Lets say that it cost 1m to do a show, but due to poor tickets sales the band is only going to make 750,000 that is a 250,000 loss. Plus gnr always pay tons of late fees because they break curfew that is more money htey are going to lose.

Yeah, but so what? I doubt they would disappoint their fans because of money.

Even if one or two shows end up costing them money, the other ones more than make up for it. This is Guns N' Roses we're talking about, they're not doing it for the money.

I respect Beta for having the guts to confront you so called "fans" that expect Axl and his band to be on their knees before you. ?Sucks that you didn't get an excuse for this particular cancelled show, but THAT'S FUCKIN' ROCK N' ROLL. ?I'm sure the Rolling Stones or the Beatles did this once or twice.

You got to be kidding me. How arrogant and condescendive can one get? I know very well the facts of the tour, especially in Europe cause I fuckin live there and went to a show. But since GN'R isn't providing any explanations I'm only going by what the fans from Fresno has to say. If there is some other reason given by GN'R later on I'll most likely believe it if it seems plausible.

But you're right of course, I want nothing more than for GN'R to fail. Fuck getting the chance to see them again next summer or the possibillity of having an album in my hands. I only visit GN'R fan boards every day, why the fuck should I want any of that. :P

lets just wait to GnR tell us why the had to cancel.
They will be back doing some killer show before a well earned christmas vication.

And why don't you spend time talking about those interesting things yourself?

Stop trying to tell others what to do. Mind your own business.



Well, how do you know?

It was cancelled, I made other plans for that evening and went on with my life.

No reasons given would make me go back in time and undo the trip up there. It happened, I dealt with the consequences and moved on.



/jarmo

people have to realize that bands cancel shows, if it doesn't affect you, why do you care. GnR are no different than any other band.

I just got an email from Ticketmaster saying they would be refunding my $$$. Cool, now I have $$ for Xmas.

not doing it for the money? thats a foolish thing to say.

these shows are work, and people (including axl) don't work unless they are paid. businesses that lose money go out of business. bands that don't sell tickets do too. gn'r loses less money by not doing shows that sell poorly (although im not saying that's what they did here - we don't know.)

your logic, that gn'r isnt in this for the money, is one that is also commonly used to justify this supposed "surprise release" theory about chinese democracy dropping sometime before the new year. the fact is that such a release would make less money, and is thus highly improbable (note the surprise release of limp bizkit's 2005 album that crashed and burned).

i think one would be very naive to buy into such logic. we keep convincing ourselves of things on these boards because we post over and over again these bizarre overanalyses that serve nothing more than promulgate gossip, rumor, and untruths, and ultimately these things disappoint us and also damage the reputation of the band.

please, stop.

It does suck when you think you're going to go see GNR and it gets cancelled.  We shelled out take the ferry from Vancouver Island to Vancouver back in '02.. and when we got there (45 mins after doors) everyone was waiting outside.. we knew it was cancelled, because its just that predictable.. i had the feeling all day in my stomach.. because i know it happens.. I had the same feeling here in Edmonton last week.. but he showed up.. so all was good.

At least ticketmaster automatically refunded the Vancouver tickets back onto my credit card, I didn't have to do anything, and I still have the ticket.  At least for this show people are getting some warning.. it beats spending money for transportation to get there and out on that too.

I don't think its uncommon for bands to cancel shows.. I do however think its uncommon for them to cancel them as often as Axl does.  I don't think it really matters though.... if they play people will come.. I got screwed in Vancouver and I still went again.. shit happens.

Hopefully the promoters don't pull the plug on the rest of the tour this time.. but i think last time it was because riots arupted.. its easier to avoid the riots if you announce the cancellation before giant masses of fans accumulate around the arena.

Unless attendance is absolutely abysmal -- and does anyone know if it was that bad for this show? -- I think that the cost of not doing a show far outweighs the cost of doing it.  Venues get at least some of their rental money ahead of time and they keep at least some of that money in the event of a cancellation.  I don't know for sure how the band members and crew are getting paid, but I assume it's either a flat rate (which means they will get paid the same whether shows happen or not) or a percentage of overall revenue (which means they stand to make more money if they perform unless attendance is so bad that it would cause them to lose money).  I can see them saving money on things like pyro that simply won't be used, and perhaps on security and other venue staff, but...  ...I guess it depends on how contracts are written...  ...and I'm still hoping everyone is okay.

I'm not telling anyone what to do, or what they should or should not discuss (lol). I'm just disappointed that Beta has chosen to communicate with negative people in a negative way when we could all be having fun instead. This board is lacking positiveness right now, and sadly there's nothing you and I can do about it.


When you were given an explanation you felt respected. Hell, the reason for the cancellation was respect for the fans, remember?

I can't see how anyone would not feel disrespected if no explanation had been given.

Blah Blah Blah.  Enough already.

Seriously, we will find out what happened later. Frankly, I have no problem with a cancellation based on lack of interest. The last thing I want to read, aside from a riot, sickness, or death, is that Axl played to 1500 equally spaced fans in a cavernous arena. If he has to fold these fans into the next venue to get a sell out, then so be it.  This is what happens when there is a tour with no album.

If it is a sickness, then the cancellation is understood.

There will be some comment at some point.  Fresno is at the bottom of the list of unanswered questions.

That makes sense, but only if attendence is downright awful, which I can't see it being for any GNR show.  I could be wrong though.

Plus, GNR gets so much badmouthing for its cancellations (more so I think than any other artist, deserved or not) one would think they wouldn't invite any more of the same unless they absolutely had to.  To me "absolutely had to" would include illness or injury but not losing money.  Lots of money, like in Dave's example, maybe, but not just a few thousand bucks. 

there must be a certain number of tickets to sell just to break even...to pay everyone and the venue's rental fee's etc, under that you LOSE money..

Could this cancellation have anything to do with the album release maybe? Some sort of preparation?

One can dream.... ?8)

I know... ?What I don't know and am having trouble grasping is that GNR didn't move enough tickets for this particular show to get to, or at least close to, that break-even point. ?They also have to consider the effects of cancellations on future tour dates and the possibility of losing money due to that. ?Well, hopefully everyone in the band is okay, and hopefully most of the people who had tickets to this show will be able to go to the Oakland one instead.

The band gets a set fee. Plus merch and whatever else is in the contract. If the show doesn't sell well, it's the promoter who would most likely to be taking the hit.

So instead of worrying about ticket sales, just wait for a reason, and move on. 70 some-odd shows in a year and they cancel three. You know, as much as it sucks for the people in Fresno - for this band that's a pretty good average.

Beta's on the scene!  Thank God.  Heads are gonna roll now... 

There's been nothing but bitchin' and complainin' since the show got cancelled.   :crying:  Big deal.  Sometimes shows get cancelled.  It's rock n' roll after all.  Everybody's being so freakin' negative.

Yes she is, but she typed her response in the quote field. 

But no answers to alot of questions.

Every time they gave a reason people said they lied.  When they said the Prtland show was cancelled everyone jumped on them caling them liars then when Axl was sick and cancelled another show people said he was faking or liing about his condition.  So this time they don't give a reason can you blame them? 

Serves some of you right I say for being such whiney bitches. 

Look,

Deal with what you get. ?That's what this band does. ?You'll get what they give you. ?If you don't like it, then leave. ?That is their attitude. ?When it fits them and their future, you'll get a reason or statement but make no mistake, it will be in favor of themselves. ?

If ticket sales were lame and the loss of money would be too much of a hit, then making a statement stating so would reflect negatively on the band.

I agree, if you've had enough.....leave which I will do at year's end if no cd. ?They don't want to hear your complaints...Beta's comments should clue you in on that.

And jarmo is just like the Bush supporters in my country. ?No matter what, they never admit anything Bush says or does may not be the best for everybody. ?It's what's best for Bush and that's all that matters.

Perhaps jarmo if you'd only flown in for just that Portland show and had to return to Europe, your wonderful attitude may have been one of extreme disappointment. ?I'd say the fans are okey to be worried about no PC being played last concert and then this cancellation and STILL no word on cd.

And Bumble was cool to speak out. ?This band needs more of that. ?I agree we should all focus on what we do have but I equally believe that you can only support something you have a passion for, for so long......when your passion is no longer satisfying.

Many many many of us stuck around for years appreciating the mere possibility that this band would finally take off and cease from the many continued disappointments we endured. ?Things were said that need to be backed up.

Your only good as your word. ?If you fail to deliver on what you advertise, then your product will lose support.

A VERY, VERY GOOD POST : ok:  Absolute 100% fact

Or maybe I'm not planning my whole trip around one show?

Maybe I see the show as a bonus that will hopefully take place during my trip?


I still got to se Portland and meet a bunch of people even without the show.

Same thing could've been said about any show I attended this year.


For me going to a concert isn't just a two hour thing from entering the venue and walking out. It's the full experience of travelling, seeing new places, meeting people and then seeing the show. And then you have to go back home....



/jarmo

Well, for many it is. And for many, including me, we could care less about the other stuff. I'm mainly going to see GN'R if I travel, and if that isn't happening there isn't a thing in the world that can make up for it.

People have every right to be upset if they planned to go to a cancelled show. Just because you aren't doesn't make it any better.

I agree. ?People act like "going to the concert" is the only part that matters about going to a concert. ?There's the excitement of planning it, buying tickets, taking the road trip, renting a hotel room, the meals while you wait, and eventually, the long drive home. ?The concert is just the icing on the cake -- if it happens. ?If you peoplel buy a ticket for a concert and EXPECT to see a concert, you're just setting yourself up for failure. ?If it happens, GREAT. ?If not, just enjoy the long drive home and get on with your life. ?Blast AFD the whole way, baby!!!

I respect that. ?Not everybody bitches about every little thing. ?Allow them to be upset.

I understand being upset. But as far as I know, polluxlm or Z werent going to any of the cancelled shows on this tour.

So the people being most upset are the ones sitting at home being upset by their keyboards and posting about it.



/jarmo

Im not upset about the cancelled show at all,Im indifferent with it but I dont like how people WHO were going are treated like whiners or complainers and as if they should be priviledged that Axl even considered their town to play in.

To say people who were goin to the concert had no right to get upset is bull.

So what if people speculate that the show got cancelled due to poor ticket sales or what have u.

There are only two reasons I know of

1. someone is ill
2. poor ticket sales

cant think of anything else.

I mean if they travel 8 hours or however long it was on a bus just to play in Iowa, there has to be something to make them cancel a show in their own backyard.

I don't know about Z, but you don't see any complaining posts from me in this thread. I have one which I speculate in the reason for the cancellation, and I have another two which are respones to other people (I guess this makes it three). Just because I didn't plan on attending this show doesn't mean I can't advocate others right to feel disappointed and upset. That does not mean I encourage or participate in bashing or what not.

i think beta had a sorta heads up on this.so she gave her responce on that.

I'm not upset specifically about the cancelled show. ?I'm "worried" about the why of it all. ?That's all.

That's because you don't know the business.

I don't know the business either, but only by using my imagination I think there's way more than two possible explanations.

One involves brown M&Ms....  :hihi:



/jarmo

this really blows me away! "setting yourself up for failure"?! ?LOL!! ?i have seen many shows in my day, and have never even thought twice about a show being cancelled. ?none of the shows i have ever seen have been cancelled, or even had the date changed, for that matter! ? i have been to a lot of rock shows in my day, too.

but i have never gotten to see GN'R, until (hopefully) this coming year. (January 16, 07) i have been a fan since 87, but have never gotten to see them. ?(many reasons, cancelled shows being one of them)

yeah, i love road trips. i have to take a road trip pretty much everytime i see a good band. BUT, i am not rich. ?when i buy a ticket for a show, it is for the SHOW, not the road trip. ?buying a ticket, paying for a hotel, getting someone to watch my child, etc, all adds up. ?i am a reasonable person, and can understand having to cancel a show, due to unforseen circumstances, but to say that anyone who pays for a ticket, and expects to see a show is setting themself up for failure, is ridiculous.

that's like going to a restaurant and sitting down and waiting for your meal that you have already paid for in advance. you enjoy the conversation, the ambiance, the decor, and wait, yeah... to think that you will actually be eating a meal is really setting yourself up for failure. ?just enjoy the experience. ?wtf kind of convoluted thinking is that?! ? :rofl:

Gayest shit Ive ever read, If I  would plan a trip for one show and if it didnt happen, I wouldnt look on the brightside and realize all the cool people I just met and sights I saw. I would be pissed the fuck off honestly anyone would be.

StoneTempleRoses

Have you seen this movie?

(http://myy.helia.fi/~a0202431/dvds/vacation.jpg)

Yeah, like the cancelled Milwaukee show.  Some of the vicious responses from that thread:


























Ill stop there...its obvious that this was an overwhelming display of sarcasm intended to bash the band.  Youre absolutely right, these ingrates dont deserve an explanation.

Booker for President

What's your sexuality got to do with it?  :P

Just kidding, you shouldn't use that kind of words when you don't undertand the meaning of it.




Good for you.

Maybe all the bands are playing your home town so you don't have to travel across the country or abroad....




/jarmo

That brown M&Ms line can be perceived by some as being in bad taste. ?Sarcasm, innuendos, etc ?;)

Booker, the day that happened I saw a ton of absolutely ugly posts that I'm sure were deleted. That's why you don't see them now, Einstein.

Booker Floyd: You quoted all those to prove a point? Most of us know that for every positive comment on these boards there are at least ten negative whiney comments which is a very unfortunate thing :no:

Smart ass.  :P

Think of a city starting with P, think lobster and think East Coast.

No Booker, not Paris!



The show is cancelled. Sorry for all the people who had tickets.

You'll get refunds as stated in the press release.

I hope you get to see GN'R play at some other date/place.





/jarmo

yeah it sucks that the show got cancelled. Other bands cancelle all the time also. It's a chance you have to take when you buy a tickect for any event. If you not willing to take that chance or have the extra money for it you should not go. I had three Guns N' Roses shows cancelled on me and I got over it. The main thing is that the band is ok and the tour will go on and the cd will be out one day. ? : ok: