Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ive been checking in on this site 3 or 4 times a day for the last 6 years and getting frustrated at the lack of an album, '02 was great I got to see the band in Leeds, this year has been great also, I saw them in Birmingham. But now I just dont care as much as to when the album is coming out, I can get on with my life - I mean its just a record after all, its not the end of the world. There are too many people on here that say things like 'if it doesn't come out this year Im never gonna listen to GNR again' or 'how dare they delay the release' to be honest I dont think Axl owes us anything, we chose to buy the records he put out 15 years ago, we paid our money and he gave us 4 great records! If he decides to wait 20 years put out another one thats up to him. Axl must look at this forum and laugh as we 'demand the record comes out this year'. Who do we think we are? The 7596 members of this forum are no where near as important as the millions of GNR fans around the world who are happy with the set lists, happy with the new songs, happy that GNR are touring and happy that a record is coming out in the future. I think we all need to be less demanding. :)

Off course they don't...we only waited for more than 13 years for a new promised album and keep supporting this band no matter what. We do not want anything in return.

7596 fans on this board, and million (?) others...maybe so, but that doesn't say the other millions do not have the same feeling. Maybe they do not surf the net, or post on gn'r forums...

I think the intensity of these forums can create the unhappy feelings, if we just had a couple of magazine articles and a few reports on MTV the majority of fans would just be happy they were back, but after those initial happy months passed in 2000/2001 people had nothing else to do but moan because as the band went into hibernation the web sites did not - leaving a desolate plain of cyber bitterness  ;D

Of course they (read: Axl) doesn't owe us anything, but I don't think it's wrong to request some information. I don't feel it's right to release statements after statements without following through with either product or explanation. And I know there might be legitimate reasons for the silence, but then they could at least tell us that. Instead we are left speculating on almost everything.

I think herein lies a problem.

Communication with GNR is like this:

Fans: "When's CD coming out?"

Axl: "Late fall, 2006"


Fans think: Axl promised CD will be out this year

Axl thinks: I told fans it currently looks as if CD will be out this year


What we've got here...  ;)

Of course asking for info is ok but we need to learn to take any statements with a pinch of salt because we end up getting let down time and time again. I just dont think we should consider ourselves so important that we need to be kept upto date on anything that the band and the managment decide. We are just a few fans.

Great post.

gnr fans are the most starved musically(of new studio recordings) out of just about any band out there so of course theres going to a clamour and anticipation for new material i dont think we demand it we just hunger for it more and more especially when given an estimated release date from the great man himself

Haha, indeed. :smoking:

i think they do owe everyone something because they wouldnt be where they are if it wasnt for the fans that buy there albums, merchandise, gig tickets.

Its not just healthy anticipation is it? Some of the people on this forum think they are in the inner circle, they think they are in the band and must be kept up to date with everything, it gets a bit creepy on this board from time to time ?:confused:

had axl left quietly in 93' and never said he's working on a record and never EVER said one was coming out then no he doesn't owe us. he probably still doesn't owe us but, don't tell us there's a new record coming out like he did in 96', 02',04' and 06' that i know of for sure. you don't do that to your fans but i do understand that shit happens

Its not just healthy anticipation is it? Some of the people on this forum think they are in the inner circle, they think they are in the band and must be kept up to date with everything, it gets a bit creepy on this board from time to time? :confused:
perhaps its not healthy i trawl through 6 different fan sites every day looking for info sometimes i get a headache but then again i hate my job and it passes the time :-\

I think he said that because he firmly believed it would be out then.

Yea they owe us.. as fans we are their customers. Without us they would be NOTHING.

I think then it comes to treating us like crap and giving us no news, breaking promises etc, it just shows they forget who pays for their lifestyles  :yes:

Mini rant over.

They dont owe us anything
but that doesnt mean that they have to act like we dont exist.

its like ignoring someone who is madly in love with you. you should tell him/her if its gonna work or not.
not play with him/her.

i don't like the 'owe us' (entitlement)attitude either. 

however;  i feel that it would be the right and professional thing for GN'R's camp to put out a press release before 1/1/07, if CD is going to be delayed again.  you don't just leave die-hard fans hanging.  that's not cool.

Congrats 1000 posts!

thanks. that's 500 posts/karma  :beer:
and it took me 1040 days to get there:)

damn... time sure does fly...

name me another band, these days, who treats the fanks like this... just one... and I?ll be a bit happier with myself.

george bush.

americans elected him, and he threats them like cannon meat...

lol.

The way that I look at it is that some promises are made to be broken. ?For those on here that feel they are "owed" something and feel betrayed by Axl, have every right to. ?I mean I don't feel asthough I am owed a thing by GNR other than what I've been given this year (i.e. tour, leaks, etc...). ?It's all just dependant upon the eye of the beholder, or basically, every person on this board will see things just a bit different than others. ?If you expect alot and are given anything less or nothing at all, of course you're going to be disappointed. ?

Would I love to have Chinese Democracy in my hands by now?! Without a doubt! ?And while I wanted to have the album in my hands just as much as the next crazed fan on here, I'm also able to walk away from the computer everyday, and be content with getting in my car and listening to the back catalog the rest of the time.

All I am saying is that someone will always feel like they're owed something from someone. ?If thats how they choose to see things, then that is how things will be seen, regardless of how I feel towards the situation or anyone else for that matter.

Whether you think they owe us something or not, it's interesting to me that the recent tour dates hardly have ANY discussion going on.

Personally, I don't even stay up anymore to see what happened/what the setlist is. ? I saw them 4 times this year, so I'm not one of those guys who "just sits behind my computer," but I used to be excited for every show. To me, "The band kicking ass on tour" doesn't carry the weight it once did, because the album isn't out. ?

I have to say that the "CD Release rumor thread" is the only one I read anymore. ?At this point, I could give two shits about what Axl wears, who the band met, or what songs I'm anticipating. ?Like I said, I'm not saying that Gn'R owes us anything. ?But for me, the album is really the only thing I'm interested in. ?They need to rejuvenate the fans, because at some point this is all going to get really old for everyone. ?The constant defenders just have a different level of patience than me, I guess. ?(and I've been a fan for almost 20 years!)

Not to defend GNR, but I can't think of another band's fans that react like GNR these days either, so I'm sure there's a grain of logic behind the akward treatment...

I'm with you there too.? The ONLY disappointment that I've had this year has been the lack of ranting and raving during the shows.? That aside, the show I saw was one of the best concerts I've seen since the UYI line up.

As far as the board goes, I even tend to stay away from the release rumor thread, just because everything gets old after you've read the same post 100 times and rephrased 100s of ways.

Owe us? ?No

But keep in mind that the fans this guy has left are probably not in the majority newer ones. The ones still hanging on, trying to create some buzz, going to these shows, trying their best to make sure people they know hear some of the new stuff, and continuing to show their support, are what's left now, for the most part - ?I think half-ass fans of this guy have been weeded out - So we've got ourselves a sick, demented, legion - so what? ?I sure don't feel owed - but I do get fucking pissed at some of the stuff that goes on - My life goes on either way, but I'm just waiting for a little something to make it go on and on a little " better " is all :yes:

Not to disagree with you, but just from what I've gathered, most of the newer fans don't even know what in the hell Chinese Democracy is, let alone that it was rumored to be released this year...

name one band whose manager talk to the fans
one band who takes time to tour without a cd out
one band whose band members email you
one band whose band members let you hang out with em at the concert

so yeah
gnr treat us pretty good. considering they dont even fuckin talk to the press

Thats true.  Everyone is always wanting the general public to accept GNR as a group these days, which is how many of us view them.  So like WAT-EVER said, I'd be harder pressed to name other groups who has members that actually respond to emails and etc.

Exactly and yet we still moan, I think Axl's new look this year was not just to distance himself from the bandana and kilt wearing Axl of the 90's but to distance himself from some of the old ass mullet headed denim wearing fans of the 80's who need to move on, he needs to appeal to a new younger fan base, not just the fans who have been around for 20 years and think they are owed.

so what you're saying is, Axl and GN'R should distance themselves from the 'old' fans from the 80's.  (denim wearing...like it's bad... since when is denim a crime?!)   brilliant move. abandon your core fan base. 

speaking as a denim wearing fan (no mullet though, thanks much) who has been a fan since 87, i have some words for you, but i will refrain from typing them here. 

No, you need to read my post properly. I said I think Axl WANTS to move away from that scene - not I think he should. I also didn't say there was anything wrong with denim and mullets - its just an easy example of a GNR fan stereotype. So who would blame him from wanting to move away from a group of people who bitch and moan at him all day long. If you have anything to say to me just PM me I love a ruck.

I said nothing about that fact

I guess the point that I was trying to make is that GNR don't have to worry about losing too many of the casual fans, or the newer fans by not releasing Chinese Democracy.? All that they mostly stand to lose is the few people on here that take everything that is said in vain and to the heart, to which some will eventually come back anyways.? Sorry if I was lost or lost ya there.... 8)

Spot on  :yes:

I've never said this and I never would.

As far as I'm concerned Axl can do whatever he wants. :yes: : ok: :beer: :smoking:

The guy is a freaking genius I.M.H.O. and the new album, (when it does show-up) is gonna' frigging ROCK!!!!! :yes:

well...by treatmet I meant: "torturing" us by not saying a word about the CD release date, letting us wait, and wait, and wait till our hopes vanish (name me a band who took so long to put out an album or started reporting that an album would be out some year and nothing happened); touring for the second time without CD (suposedly this tour was meant to promote CD, however I cant see any album out yet and can?t see much new songs on the setlits... actually.... sometimes I wonder if this tour wansnt meant to promoted AFD  ::))...
I understand it must be as frustrating for band members (not Axl however) as for us to wait so long for the album to be released but damn... we are humans lol... we can?t wait forever and ever by staying calm and happy when other ppl just fucking tease me (and you probably) for still having hopes that the CD (which is now a joke everywhere) will eventually be released someday... no... it aint easy! :-\

Gotcha man - Good Point either way  : ok:

your absolutely right, its just a record. and i understand that axl wants it to be absolutely perfect but he's 45 years old come february. I mean the old gnr lasted about 9 years since there first album, axl made his comeback in 2001 that was 7 years ago. look at all the old gnr acomplished in there time period compared to all the new gnr have acomplished in since RIR 3. Axl isn't getting any younger. He NEEDS to put out this record.

They do owe us, they owe us an explanation, its that simple. If the album isnt released this year (which it wont be, just not enough time), then they owe the fans an explanation why.

I honestly belive axl is doing all this just to keep us and the rest of the world sucked in. Its a great marketing tool. actually its brilliant.

They owe you NOTHING. ?If you were really as unhappy with Axl as you pretend to be, you'd quit listening to them, seeing shows and posting on their forums. ?But admit it... you're really quite happy with the way things are going.

I love GNR's music, I enjoy seeing them live and I like this new band, but that doesnt mean im going to just blindly follow Axl and kiss his ass every chance I get. He told us it would be out in 2006, now if something happened and it doesnt get released then I can deal with that, and long as he at least releases a statement as to why its been delayed.

I dont like to be lied to, especially by someone I admire, so it will bother me quite a bit if Axl decides to just not say anything. Axl is probably the greatest frontman ever, but he is human, and he does fuck up, and I believe that is exactly what he is doing right now.

You are just a tool, plain and simple, Axl says jump and you say how high.

==> NO it isn't:

1. it's a GN'R record ?;)
2. it's the most anticipated and expensive album EVER

Yes they owe us fans a record.  After 15yrs of waiting I would like record.  They owe me at least.  :beer:

God damn right I would. ?HOW HIGH, SIR? ?So why don't you just quit supporting the band already? ?If, like you said, Axl's "lied" about an "album" coming out "soon," then you'd have real cause to feel betrayed and pissed off. ?So hit the road already and quit bitching. ?

You're pathetic.

And if every fan who is a little irked right now was to just say fuck it and leave, there would be no more GNR.

judging by your posts you are one naive axlite, blindly following him, loving everything he does.... ::)

you do know how a certain man during '40-'45 got such a huge following don't ya?

GNR don't owe us anything.  It's a perfect crime.

Keep in mind that none of us owes them anything either.  If the album is not released in 2006 without a valid explanation, then you will have been lied to.  Its your choice if that offends you or not.