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Title: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: shaxon on December 12, 2006, 01:39:26 AM Axl probably never read Roland Barthes' books, nevertheless what Axl has been doing for ten years confirms Barthes' theories about myths and counter-myths... And it also confirms that Axl is a very intelligent guy.
The best weapon against a myth, it is to mythicize it in return, it is to produce an artificial myth... The power of the second myth is based on the fact that the first one looks naive comparatively... The founding myth in this case is obviously the AFD line-up. Then, the only way for Axl to continue using the GNR name was to create a counter-myth : Chinese Democracy. I think this helps to understand a couple of things that are going on nowadays : when Chinese Democracy gets released it could be the end of the second myth. It may explain the continual hesitations about the release of CD. Just my 0,02 $. What are your thoughts ? Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: freedom78 on December 12, 2006, 01:45:46 AM I have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry.
Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: polluxlm on December 12, 2006, 02:11:01 AM If Axl had been a politician I could believe it. But since he's not this is just another guy fitting his theories to coincendences.
Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: Gagarin on December 12, 2006, 02:38:50 AM Wow. Roland Barthes. Wrote great essay about professional wrestling, btw.
Well I think that's been part of it, trying to get what he's got now to overcome what they had before. It can't be just any old rock album, it has to be really, really, good with a lot of merit (In his eyes). I dont know if he's that big into myth theory, especially since the PR and hype machine for GNR is non-existant. Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: shaxon on December 12, 2006, 05:15:32 AM Wow.? Roland Barthes.? Wrote great essay about professional wrestling, btw. Yes, Barthes wrote something about wrestling. Mythologies is a great read. Everybody should read it.Well I think that's been part of it, trying to get what he's got now to overcome what they had before.? It can't be just any old rock album, it has to be really, really, good with a lot of merit (In his eyes). I dont know if he's that big into myth theory, especially since the PR and hype machine for GNR is non-existant. 'Myth' should be understood in the sense of 'legend' in this case. A legend is gone (the Afd line-up) and a new one has been created (Chinese Democracy). Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: micfac on December 12, 2006, 06:54:33 AM if he is trying to compete with the myth or legend of afd and the old line up thens he onto a loser it will never be accepted as being as good as afd even if it does in fact match up to it. im pretty sure he also aware of that so i think your barking up the wrong tree but its an interesting point nontheless.
Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: quarky on December 12, 2006, 07:32:10 AM I don't think it is competition, but more like keeping at least ONE myth going at anytime.
Look at 20th+ century politics. Firstly it was freedom/fachism (up to www2), then communism, then terrorist... Neither one was competing, it was more about using a myth to reach an end. So yes, interesting POV, but I don't think Axl things about it directly, although in a way I am sure it does affect him, after all ChiDem has to live to up AFD and UYI musically and critically or I think he will feel very disappointed. In fact, if he wasn't so *obsessed* with it, I am sure the album would have been out long ago. Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: snead hearn on December 12, 2006, 01:47:07 PM Axl probably never read Roland Barthes' books, nevertheless what Axl has been doing for ten years confirms Barthes' theories about myths and counter-myths... And it also confirms that Axl is a very intelligent guy. The best weapon against a myth, it is to mythicize it in return, it is to produce an artificial myth... The power of the second myth is based on the fact that the first one looks naive comparatively... The founding myth in this case is obviously the AFD line-up. Then, the only way for Axl to continue using the GNR name was to create a counter-myth : Chinese Democracy. I think this helps to understand a couple of things that are going on nowadays : when Chinese Democracy gets released it could be the end of the second myth. It may explain the continual hesitations about the release of CD. Just my 0,02 $. What are your thoughts ? Who would have thought Reverend Jim started posting on this board?? :hihi: :smoking: (that's a "Taxi" reference for those of you playing at home) Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: SlashRock on December 12, 2006, 02:11:07 PM Some people analyse things WAY too much. :rofl:
Title: Re: Myth and counter-myth in GNR's world Post by: The Hinge on December 12, 2006, 04:24:52 PM And now I will present the Choobacca theory........ |