Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472043/ :smoking:

apparently it's pretty good
very violent.

and with subtitles. and you guys, americans, still did go see the movie even if you had to read the subs, as the flick did pretty good at the box office.

any of you saw it ?

comes out in january in france :(

So Americans don't goto films if there are subtitles?  Sorry Wat-Ever, but french film is straight dog shit in my opinion.  hell, the French loved Charles Bronson and he came back to America to make one of the best action movie franchises; Death Wish.  So don't lump Americans as bunch of morons who like flashy colors and big booms while the French have some an exquisite taste in cinema that baffles us yanks.  Art is a very subjective and one is extremely hardpressed to claim one genre of film is better than another.

oh god .....

before we go back on the subject of the post

yes, americans generaly do not like subtitles. that's all i said. and it's widely accepted. do not get offended here.

The passion of the christ was all subtitles and it did very well.? The question at hand is what movies are being sent to America with subtitles?? It's very rare when a film comes out in America that doesn't have English dubbed over, as the same is true in Europe.? I remember my Spanish professor saying he watch Undersiege with Steven Segal for the first time in Spain where the voice actor had a very masculine voice.? When he saw it in America he was shocked at how high Segal's voice is.? It's my understanding that most of the "subtitled" films are very "artsy" and never even see a main stream release.  Although that Jet Li movie Hero was badass.

That's his gig, straight out of the Bill O handbook man..............

Nah, if I was offended I'd create my own forum where I shit talk people behind their back under a smug assertion of superiority.

Boo hoo hoo.

I say what I want in an open forum for the entire world to see. If I don't like somebody I say it. The only difference between me and the rest of you guys is that I have the balls to say it in the open and not on some admin section or pm's to one another.

Get over it.

Yea it takes real balls for you to libel against people in a forum you signed up for from a free forum site.  Anytime someone strays from the pack you chew em up and spit em out and you group of joiners toes the line.  What takes real balls is to try and remain civil in a discussion with someone who distorts what you say and has no problem making personal attacks under the ruse of "it's all in good fun."   ::)

It makes me wonder if Mel Gibson can do a movie that has english dialogue in it.  First The Passion and now this?  I wanna see it, though.

Funny, yet you joined my forum, both times. And are hurling insults back, just like everybody else.

So funny isn't it?

You can't have it both ways.

My place has no rules, if I want to call somebody a giant douche, then I'll do it. In this forum I'll respect Jarmo's rules and not do that. I also belong to another forum where the open forum has no real rules. You either stay or you don't. But you don't run around and try to get people banned (like you do here) from other forums and "tell" on them to make the naughy posts stop.

So out of respect for Jarmo's place, lets stop now. Thanks.

Gibson draws parallels between the downfall of the Mayan civiliation and the current state of affairs in the U.S. (see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15001985/). ?A little over the top, IMO, but then again I'd expect nothing less from Mad Max.

SLC... Stop this shit now.

I can't wait to see it - looks awesome.  Number one movie in America if I'm not mistaken. 

Any drunks bastards talk about racism in this movie? Might make it more interesting with subtitles. but im not sure.


I remember some parts of last of the mohicans have subtitles and it made me lose interest in the film. The picture quality was decent though.

This film actually looks really good and particularly atmospheric, i can't wait to see it!  I love the idea of it being in the native language, it makes it so much better!

I already had......

this looks different and quite interesting, definitely on my list of movies to see this year.

its a pretty interesting topic, i cant remember if it was the Incas or the Mayans but didnt they one day just dissapear? like leave their cities and flee into the forest never to be seen again? thats crazy.

I think it was the Incas....or was it the Azteks??  I don't know.

Teh Aztecs were brought down by the Spanish.  The maya (civilisation) did disappear long before, it's not really known what happened.

http://www.differentworld.com/mexico/places/chichen_itza/chichen_itza.htm

The great thing about movies like this is that it inspires so many people to learn more about a given ancient civilization.  The above link shows the ancient Mayan ruins in Chichen Itza, which I believe was the center of the Mayan empire... I visited Chichen Itza when I was in Mexico years ago (that pyramid is fucking steep!) and on the bus on the way there, we stopped in a town that had an indigenous Mayan population.  Was really cool... I especially loved the traditional Mayan food, which had hardly any similarities to Mexican food. 

I'll be seeing this - but is the graphic violence really needed in all Mel's films, is he some kind of psycho?

...oh wait, yes of course he is...

Could have done without the subtitles - not because i cant read (i can, just) but because if i wanted to read for 2 hours i would have got a book....kinda defeats the point of seeing a film

there is more than dialogs in a movie.

Really? :confused:

well

if movie + subtitles = book  to you,

then you didnt know that.

I saw the movie, I was excited to see it.? ?I am a big fan of Braveheart, enjoyed Passion of the Christ (as a one time thing) and I thought Payback was 90% cool.? I don't really give a damn about Mel's opinions on jews or tits or anything, as long as they aren't in the movie.  Edit: and by that, I mean to say, I don't care as long as his opinions aren't in the movie.  I have nothing against jews or tits being in movies (and there are a lot of tits in this movie).

The movie was beautiful.? It was kinda boring though.? There are basically two endings, one I already had spoiled for me, and the other is kinda obvious.? It's not nearly violent enough.? With all the press it had been getting, I thought it'd be way worse than Braveheart, but it's not even close.? Sure, there's a bit more visual gore, but overall, it's not that violent, and only one scene came off as gratiutious to me.? ?Like Passion of the Christ, I'm glad I saw it once, but I probably don't need to see it again.

Fair enough.. Didn't read the follow up.

press usually goes crazy about violence when there is nothing there.

i remember them going insane on kill bill saying it was so gore and violent ... then you see the movie and you're like " wtf ? " .....

Just Watched this few hours ago.

I thought the first half of the movie held together really well. Scene where the newly captured prisoners arrive to the mayan city was horrible in a good way. Then the movie  steadily began getting ridiculous. Jaguar Paw turned from a very vunlerable human into some sort of a James Bond figure who stumbles from deus ex machina to another. Which was fine in itself for 10 mins or so.  Then it got boring. By the time he is saved from sacrifical altar/shooting range/pissed off jaguar you kinda stop worrying if people fire few arrows at him.

In overall was a fine movie..

..That made me hate Mel Gibson even more.
Savage Mayans live off decadent life, massacre humans non stop, drink blood and scratch their asses. the Only Good Indian in the entire movie gets saved, along his saint wife, by noble conquisators who come to put and end to all the godless madness.Right.
A random movie doesn't have to give accurate portrayal of Mayans or anyting but come on. Gibson's vision was about as flattering and accurate as signing romans off as gay people who like to gather ar colosseum to watch as humans get eaten by lions would have been