Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hope this comes out as a good idea, basically what im looking for is an observation from any of the shows that have been played this years, things that band members have done, or people onthe sidelines have done, try and keep this as positive as possible and hopefully this will be a cool thread.

Ok ill start with an observation i have seen a lot of the shows during You Could Be Mine where axl used to sing "with your ass in the air" ive noticed he does not always sing it he mouths it and his face is a picture of joy and amusement as pretty much everyone in the crowd sings it to him.

Hopefully you get the idea so keep them coming

I like Axl's new hand gesture while he sings, "'cuz it would take a lot more time than you, have got for masturbation".   :hihi:

Everyone in the audience needs to do that along with him!

I noticed Axl sometimes likes to "tidy up" backstage. When he ran backstage, he would sometimes pick things up, adjust things, etc.....I got a big kick out of that, was the greatest frontman of all time seemingly picking up after people? ?He would also always pick up guitar picks while he was onstage and throw to the crowd too. ?When seeing them live and upclose you get to see all these tidbits that you can rarely pick up on while watching video. ?

Gn'R have the HOTTEST female fans ever, but I already knew that... ;)

& as much as Paradise City kicks ass live, it kinda sucks too, becuase you know the show is nearly over.. :-\

I have tons more, but those are two I had on my mind just now.

George Chin has two digital cameras with him while he's scurrying around the stage.

Sometimes he takes a picture, leaves the camera to develop it, switches to another camera, takes a picture... One can only wonder how much picture material of the '06 tours there exists by now.

Im more interested in knowing how much pro-shot material of this tour exists, as per request from the Guns' camp.

I remember at Glasgow when they began 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door', Axl made a gesture to Robin to stop strumming so hard. Also at Glasgow during the same song, Axl stood singing with a towel under his foor wiping up a drink that had been thrown on stage.

At the Hammersmith Apollo, when they began Axl shouted 'D'you know where the fuck you are?! Hey we need to get this cleaned up before I slip on my ass man!' :hihi:

The one thing I've noticed on this tour as opposed to Europe and NYC 06 was Axl's associates standing stage left watching the band.  In Ottawa Beta was really rocking out to Better and in Quebec City I could see Merck standing there with a grin on his face (can't remember what song though - it's amazing I remember that show at all).

Cheers,

Andrew

ha ha yeah let me get right on that lol.

I know in Huntington WV he kept looking under the stage and putting his nose on the upper stage and then blowing his nose afterward. Has this occurred at other shows? I had a theory of what he could be doing but I am not gonna speculate because I don't know.

I've noticed that Axl doesn't sing "Don't Cry." And I think it's because the song relies heavily on female backing vocals to sound good, as well as Axl needing to have all his wind to sing it. (Not being out of breath)

With that said though, I think what Ron does with it is amazing. When the crowd is singing along it's like epic or somehting.

I think WV was one of the shows where he was sick.  Of course they announced that he had an ear infection and strep throat and cancelled one of the shows but i'm sure that this sickness was also accompanied with a running nose.

Elaborating on this, I have noticed that when Ron 1st started to play Don't Cry in his solo it was just briefly. ?As the tour went on and I saw some more shows the solo became longer due to the really positive audience reaction and sing along.

In Vegas I was watching the sound guys on the side of the stage since I was right up front against the rails. ?They have what looks like a really big digital clock on the side of the stage, I assume they use it to figure how long the show is running. ?

I noticed Robin smashed (multiple) guitars during "Better" and left the stage only to return for the solo (which Ron started because Robin wasn't back yet). :hihi: I enjoyed watching that exchange. :D

This was at Worcester btw.

I was wondering how this idea came about. (Don't Cry) That's cool. I didn't see them until the Hammersmith Apollo gig, and not again until Sheffield, England. So I didn't see it evolve.

Tommy throwing his bass, Axl giving some roadie the middle finger, the little jams.  All at Download 2006.

And the fact that GN'R kick serious ass.

Oh and I also noticed that Ron sometimes like to tinker around on his guitar when Axl is yelling at someone either in the audience or in the crew. ?I dunno why I find this amusing, like Axl needs some theme music for his rants. ? :hihi:

Like how Ron does some Knight Rider thing right before Knockin' On Heaven's Door at Rock Am Ring.

Axl says: "Here's a song that was not written by David Hasselhoff", and Ron does some funky thing in the background.  :hihi:

axl doesn't sing it because he retired the song in dedication to Shannon Hoon

More than anything... I am really impressed (and pleasantly surprised) by how much of an exciting tandem Axl and Robin Finck have become live... both have improved their appearances and the quality of their live performances 1,000% since 2002.... and they have great chemistry together live. I really think this is THE main reason that the band has been getting (mostly) such positive reviews... GN'R has always been about multiple characters and personalities... and Robin is really starting to soldify himself in that #2 role.: ok:

One thing I noticed at the Toronto show, and I personally really miss this side of Axl, is the lack of Axls stories/introductions for the new songs before they were played. It'd be nice to hear Axl say:-"This is a song WE WROTE about Tax Evasion. This is called IRS. I hope you like it."

Always nice to hear Axls stories. : ok:

Hey anythinggoes, Axl said the YCBM Part at Inland Invasion.  Jack and I just stared at each other in surprise.  :o

I also like how he just about admitted to leaking Better before playing the song.

And his little "Metal days are here again/Nice Boys" jam with Sebastian.

i was about to say that actually, just watched it again for the first time since it was broadcasted in september or whenever :yes:

ahha ya! this one----> (http://www.flyersphans.com/forums/images/smilies/jerkit.gif)

I noticed that I saw rockin' moms with their 13 yearolds.

That was sweet.

One thing I noticed in Chicago was a lot of folks on the floor were "too cool" to go crazy.  Maybe that's because they are rich or something... I dunno.

Every song seems to be recorded.  There's a spindle of CD-Rs in the sound booth.  The soundman has speakers that will pick up the chit chat of the band.

how do you know that? Axl's never said that, has he?

If he retired the song, he woulndt let Ron play it on his guitar. ?IMO Ron may be trying to show Axl how much the fans love that song. ?He may be trying to tell Axl to let them perform that song as a band

All of it... every show. It's also done for legal reasons. The camera footage was invaluable for the St. Louis court trial.


I think it's psychology. He's doing that so the audience knows the show isn't over.


If it's true, Ron is still doing something respectful with it. If you think about it, it sounds more like a... what do they call a funureal song? Anyway, everyone singing along is cool. It's like something that would be cool for Shannon to look down and see/hear.

Sorry what happened Shannon?

In 1995, Hoon and his long time girlfriend Lisa Crouse had a daughter they named Nico Blue. After the birth of his daughter, Hoon entered rehab again. Blind Melon needed to tour to support their album Soup with heavy pressure from the record company, so Hoon negotiated an early release from his drug rehab program with the stipulation that his drug counselor would accompany him on the road. The counselor, however, was unable to keep Hoon from falling back into his pattern of drug use and was dismissed from the tour less than a month into it. Without the counselor to rein him in, Hoon's usage of drugs escalated tremendously.

After a particularly disastrous performance in Houston, Hoon launched into an all-night cocaine binge, hurling blame all over the place. The next day, on October 21, 1995, Blind Melon was scheduled to play a show in New Orleans at the famed venue, Tipitina's. When one of the band's roadies went to the tour bus to wake Hoon up for a sound check, he was unable to rouse him. An ambulance was summoned and Hoon was pronounced dead on the scene at the age of 28. The cause of death was attributed to an intense accidental cocaine overdose.[1]

Hoon was buried in Dayton, Indiana; his grave is inscribed with the words to the first song he wrote, Change:

"I know we can't all stay here forever / So I want to write my words on the face of today / And they'll paint it"



RIP

EDIT sorry if any of the facts are incorrect i will remove if needbe

Oh right.....Thanks for the info dude!

i like how Bach chips in with suggestions for songs to play.  i think it was at hammersmith that he said to axl "play IRS man" - its cool he is eager for them to play the kickass newer songs.

i also love the full-on crowd contact that robin and ron especially give the fans - giving them water, crowd surfing on them and thumbs-up stuff.  i love bands who adapt to their audience's passion - GnR do it well.  Bands like Oasis, i find incredibly boring live as they dont seem to move, or interact with actual crowd members or give off the energy that Guns does.  (sorry to stray onto oasis - just making an example.)

I know what you're talking about, but i really didn't get that from him. I guess i didn't really understand - how did what he said make you believe he leaked it?

At the end of the concert in Almeria when the band reunited together to salute the audience, we(the crowd) started to clap and sing "oe,oe,oe,oe.."because we wanted them to keep on playing,and they all were laughing and started to dance while we sang.It was very funny and cool. :love:

Lanyards weren't popular in Europe

Neither are they in North America

In San Francisco I noticed two mics coming from the stage monitors pointing straight out at the audience.  Maybe they're set up at the other shows too.  Anyone know what that's for?

They're probably there to record crowd noise for possible official-bootleg releases....?

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That's what I was thinking...unless it's for the monitor guy so that he can get an idea of the level of crowd noise vs. the levels of the band.  I'm not sure how that stuff works.  I hope it's for recordings.

Most bands that are recording their shows live also record the crowd noise. For instance, in live era, you can hear the crowd cheering and stuff. that isn't picked up from the mic's on stage - it wouldnt be that loud and it would be impossible to mix to the right level. so they dedicate mic's to recording the crowd noise itself incase they ever wanted to release the show. sounds silly, but its true.

its no secret that they are recording their shows. they do it so they have a record of it for themselves, too, to help them improve. you know they are recording it because in the sound tech area (in the back of the venue, with all the mixing boards and stuff) there are two mixing boards - one facing the stage (for the Front of House Sound) and one to the side, facing the left (this one is recording the show). In case you were wondering, monitors are controlled by a mixing board on the stage, to the right.

i'm actually looking forward to picking one up! : ok:

no joke

at the first night at wembley during paradise city they brought two mini platforms on infront of the amps only for them to be removed mid set.
i believe this was meant for the dwarves that took stage with seb bach the next night but axl decided against it that night.

Yup, and you can see the software record it =).  It looks like a direct to disk hard drive recording setup.  Pretty neat.  I'm sure they can then mix the tracks from each mic and guitar as needed.
Ah, an official live release....  how sweet it would be (after CD..)   : ok:

This may have been said already, but towards the end of the Worcester show, someone threw a pink bra on stage, and Ron wore it as a hat and then over his shoulder. :rofl:

In Tampa a lot of the people on the floor kept asking for bottled water that the security guards had more than enough of, and Ron opened a bottle and told them to let us have it. Aw... too kind. =D

I also noticed how Axl doesn't say "with your ass in the air".. but like you all said, we all still yelled it to him! =)

And I also noticed that Axl was drinking something out of a paper cup.. someone told me tea before.. but I am not sure? Cause he had water there too and didn't drink that..

And anyone notice Axl's pinky when he plays piano?
For real.
Watch a UYI DVD and check it out. Then try it. Impossible. lololol.

 :peace:

I've noticed that Axl sings lower than he used to. It's probably the mix or maybe there are 3 guitars now drowning out his voice.

He called us a bunch of naughty downloading motherfuckers.  Then he proceeded to say that we downloaded them, and that's his story and he's gonna stick with it.  ;D

Anyone else notice that the confetti is now red and gold?

What music is played between bands? Rock? Punk? Metal?

 :peace:

I noticed that  no one in the band was drunk or strung out. How many people who saw the original band can say that, hell I saw then in 92 and everyone was either drunk or high....

And thats why they were the biggest band back then. Their songs are about drugs and they lived it.

Most of the crowd sounded generic to me during live era... At least in between songs.. I mean in the odvious spots yes (Brownstone, PC, Rocket Queen), but all others sounded fake.... Could be wrong tho

I noticed this too...not all the time.  But his low voice (like the one he uses to say "And I don't Wanna Hear No More" on Civil War) hit considerably lower than usual. 

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=39989.0



I've noticed that a lot of people get scared when the pyro goes off.....  ;)



/jarmo

ha i saw him actually give it back to the chick after the show.  only mr. nice guy ron :)  also, that thing about having to drag him away from signing autographs is true, after the show he was signing autographs in front of the stage and this big security dude came up to him and said, "ron we're trying to get the band outta here."  and he was like, "ok just a sec."  and this guy was like, "NO, NOW."  can you believe that shit?  i wished he woulda been like, "step off bitch i'm bumblefoot."  but off he went.

i recall a real mixture at Hammersmith, esp. Alive - Pearl Jam was played, a lot of people were singing along smiling at the irony of the song title having waited for some time since the support finished and it was rather hot that day in there...  :hihi: 

Gold? That's new then. In Europe was red, white and blue. At MSG was only red

red ---> gold and red......it's getting Christmassy. :yes:

Isn't it very hot when the pyro goes off near you?

I remember being shocked by the heat at Dublin and like Jarmo says the people jumping when the pyro goes off is very funny.

Someone said they dont go on stage drunk?   Hmmm i dont know at MSG i swear Tommy was very drunk on Stage because he was in front of us and his antics were very funny he kept making me laugh maybe im wrong if anyone wants to put me in my place i wont be offended  :)

Hammersmith was bloody hot... I ended up completely soaked, well I was at the front.

One of the things I will always remember, and I know it has already been mentioned is Ron's kindness

oh shit yes, it gives off so much heat

It was like that in san francisco too. security keeps a case of water under the stage, and wouldnt give any out, so robin started giving them to me to pass around, security was getting mad because of it, and robin leaned down and yelled at one of them.

Yep, I have my red white and blue confetti too.  But ever since the "real" tour started, they only use communist colors, so to say.  In preparation for the album release I suppose.

Anyone else notice that Axl tosses an expensive pair of sunglasses out into the crowd every night?

I definitely noticed the pyro scaring people. One of the girls I was with kept jumping every time it went off. I was like, take it easy, we are not going to start on fire.

Also, I didn't get to see the Suicide Girls and this may be a bit off topic - but did anyone see the "Real Sex" HBO special on them? I saw it last night and they are a horny, weird bunch. And if you see the faces up close, only one of them is really pretty. They just have the bods to show off. They also explained why they call themselves the Suicide girls - cause they have liberated themselves from being who they are supposed to be and now are being who they want to be - they committed "Society" suicide by not following the main stream. They killed their old selves. Pretty deep man.

It was quite interesting. Don't know if it was a rerun or not? But they are one of the things I noticed at the GNR shows this year that I have never seen in my life. I saw a guy in a skirt with his pole hanging out but never chicks like this and doing the things they do on stage - almost like you are at a titty bar.

I meant you can bearly hear Axl's voice because of the 3 guitars or maybe Axl wanted it that way. Whatever, all I can say is that Axl's voice is not that powerful right now.

Lower singing happens with age. Trust me, I know. Also, smoking, I don't know if he smokes, alters your voice and knocks it down some octaves. And partying plays a part as well. I actually think his voice is fine. I don't mind the lower voice.

LOL, What I noticed @ donnington was that it comes no-where near Wembley 91.
Guns in their day rocked and Axl limped @ Download Festival.
I am Gunner from 80s so don't fill thread with knocks! I wish the new Guns all the best but they ain't the original and they got a long way to go. I think this album will fail too.  Their day has passed, any original fan from 80s will know this!

ya, i knew none of them were actually that good looking

The red cup of hot tea.  It's always brought out about 5 minutes before the show starts.  Best indicater that the show is a go.

Axl's box of Puff's tissues.  :(

I'm from the 80's dudio and I have to disagree. But lets not get off topic.........

anyone who thinks Axl's voice is bad never heard many shows from the UYI tour.

Axl's voice is far superior now than it was on the UYI tour.  That is a fact.

i agree  ::) axl sounded awful back in the uyi days he sounds awsome now !!

thing i noticed from the gigs i saw was the fuckin cool leather jacket axl wears !!

 :hihi: I loved pointing that one out.

Also in San Francisco, I noticed that someone had thrown a shoe on stage sometime before November Rain. 

Axl quote: "This [Used To Love Her] is a song from our tender past... it's a song of love, which spelled backwards is EVOL."

Dude, I have seen many shows from youtube. You can't just shut off somebody's opinion by saying that. I can tell the difference from Axl's voice back then and now. And how would you know "That is a fact." ::) A fact is something that the majority agree on, besides the board.

While I can see CrazyCheryl is right about that, I just hope that isn't true.

I came to see Axl Rose. And the only reason for that is his (powerful)voice, not the members playing music.

During Better he doesn't change the words. He repeats "Now I know You Better" instead of "Now you..." and "Now we.."

Axl seemed drunk in Estero. He didnt talk at all, but would mumble some weird phrases and shit, no one had any idea what he was saying. I could be wrong but me and my brother agree he was drunk that night.  ;D

if they "dont drink onstage" then how did the canida show get cancelled?

That is open to interpretation. Some aspects are better now than they were then, and some are not. In my opinion there can be no doubt that he had alot more power in his voice back then. Even when he sang like shit he could always get it kind off right. If he sings like shit now, well then he sings like shit. That seems to be the main difference to me.

But I agree with you that he's a steadier performer these days, and he has at times shown that he can outdo himself on certain songs compared to the Illusion tour.

Doesn't Axl not play Don't Cry due to the lawsuit that was filed against him because of the song?  I can't remember the details but I know that a Spanish (I think) guitarist claimed that Guns N Roses stole the guitar parts for "Don't Cry" from him.  He claimed that almost every note and even the length of the guitar parts were all identical to his personal work.  I beleive they settled out of court and I have the feeling he is not allowed to play it live now.  That is why Ron plays the lyrics to don't cry, not the guitar parts.   While I like to beleive that this man was a nutjob, I find it odd that "Don't Cry" just happens to be the only song with two seperate lyrics.

Am I the only one that remembers this lawsuit?  I think it was around 1998.

If I missed the mention of it in this threat I apologize.


Finally found the link
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12054691

Maybe not a fact, but listen to some YouTube Axl from 92 or 93, he is hoarse and squawky on most of the songs. Now he hits the notes pretty clean but still raspy.




If i over blow it some, thats just cause I am tired of people criticizing Axl's voice when in reality its better than the UYI tour days.


Listen to the Jungle intro from the VMA's or the live and let die screams.

They are far superior than in 92.

those who prefer the 92 or 93 'rasp', should check
http://homepage.mac.com/changcy/voiceraspy.htm

In 2002 he mostly sang high. Now whether you like it or not is a matter of taste.
but at least that proves that he can also sing high and clear.

I agree....his voice in way more polished now than back in the UYI tours....I think it's beter than ever

alot of nose blowing!!

yeah, anybody know whats up with that?

He's been under the weather.

Yeah, I agree with you guys that Axl's voice is a whole lot better than the last year of the Illusion and the 2002 tour.

But I can't hear his voice with 3 guitars now. I know I won't change that but does that happen to you guys too?

I heard it just fine

It was Maine : ok:

but I noticed that Pit(t)man has some pretty schnazzy threads! also during the shows in Vegas, he was like cussing and swearing playing his keyboard-like-thing he had..I'm not saying he was mad I'm just saying he plays with a lot of intensity.

that was the whole charm of it. i know he was hurting his throat. but i love old live shows where he sings that way. this is gnr for me.

Sure, but those examples can get you on thin ice pretty fast. We all know what happened after that brilliant VMA scream :hihi:

Forgot what Hammerstein show it was, but towards the end Axl came out with his cell phone on his belt, with the service light blinking...haha...

Also, During November Rain at Worchester, some of the sparkles falling from the ceiling caught Axl's tissues on fire!

the tissue issue? (hee hee)?
 could be Axl is suffering from sinus probs,y'know sometimes on vacay depending where you go you get a snuffy drippy nose? as i live in TN i Live for Allegra D,otherwise sinus headaches happen most days and tissues would be my main shopping list item. one good thing,he isn't sniffing and spitting on stage,cause thats just icky (IMO).? :smoking: