Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Figured I'd make one of these and put it up for people to talk in, so only updates are in the other thread!

Have fun everyone that is going!

I will try to send updates to LittleFly. I won't be there for the openers however.

WHY CANT WE JUST HAVE ONE THREAD , SET LISTS UPDATES IN THE FIRST POST , AND DISCUSSIONS RIGHT AFTER THAT . 2 THREADS IS REALLY SILLY

Because it gets too damn hard to go over pages of useless posts just to get to the updates or setlist.

well if you update the first post in the thread you wouldn't have to dig through pages, also in a setlist thread you have to read every reply to put a setlists  together

Also cuz sometimes we lose the original updater (thread starter) and have to continue updating down below.

M'kay?
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Although, it was really nice when it worked. : ok:

Any idea of how full the arena will be tonight? I heard grumblings of 5000 or less.

I've never HEARD of Aimes, IA. Are there more than 5,000 people in the TOWN?  ;D

I guess this is one of those "Soft Markets," where some people from Minneapolis get to see them twice!  : ok:

Ames IA  Estimated population in July 2005: 52,263

So like 10 percent of the town will be at the show.  :rofl:

slipknot is from IA

Had to cancel my trip to this and the Minneapolis shows, total bummer.  :-\

Edward, Ames is the home of Iowa St. University (approx. 20,000 students--major BCS school in Big 12 conference).  Hilton Coliseum is an infamous basketball arena (one of the toughest and loudest college arenas, home of the mythical "Hilton Magic"---ISU has had many improbable comeback victories in the arena).  Ames, is the Northern suberb of Des Moines, IA--the capitol of Iowa, and a metropolitan area with about 1 million people.  It should not be as soft of a market as nearby Omaha, NE, or the Quad Cities (which GNR played in 2002).  They must be doing a second leg, because they are by-passing Kansas City (3 hours from Ames), which, next to Minneapolis, is the largest metropolitan area in the Midwest. 

Thank you for the info. I watch the weather channel allot, and I usually know big cities by how often I hear them mention it. I guess, as you explained, Des Moines is mentioned as the general area.

Aimes, Iowa - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames%2C_Iowa
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Hope it's a killer show...lots of electricity!  BTW, why is there not a smiley icon giving the "devil horns"?  This is one of many instances where I've wanted to use it   ???

any live chat going on tonight ?

Yeah at my site. You know where it is. a bunch of us in there now, if u wanna come hang out.  :beer:

Efish  what site is that, your Sig?

Yeah. :beer:

thanks  Ill check it out

Update thread - Helmet still on...what is the order tonight?

Helmet won't stop...his words lol.  They are the enegizer bunnies of rock....my words. :hihi:

i don't get people who boo opening acts.. i mean its hard enough for them to play before GNR as it is and that is just lame.

Is baz or helmet first on, tonight?

I agree.  I just don't see the point (unless a band REALLY sucks).  Other than that, have a beer (or six) and enjoy the extra music.  I considered it a bonus that I got to see Baz and what turned out to be a random one-night fill in.  Made my 3 hour drive even more worthwhile.  Six hours of driving for a two hour show, getting home at 4:30 am...that's a hassle.  Two extra bands, and I think, "hell, I'll make a day of it!" 

Suicide Girls finished at 12:00. So it's only been 30 mins since the last act apparently.

We are in for some trouble tonight, I expect.  :'(

If they play right now, the show would be over at 3am

I cant see that for some reason.

He will play the last 5 songs to about 500 people

What is the latest they have gone on?

Stuck in either Chicago or Indiana due to the storm is my bet.  But who knows, I would imagine they could have got in a car and driven in.  We all know that a storm was headed for the Midwest, so they should have made their contingency travel plans yesterday.  This is Axl, and this is GNR though.  Probably was back home in Indiana chilling with his old buddies, and forgot what time it was.

GNR will come on stage, the show will be great, and we'll all be happy ! :)

I believe.

There's no place like a GNR show...there's no place like a GNR show...

LOL no way earlier today BBF posted a quick message in then gnr2k chat saying "Leaving for Ames, Iowa!"

That's good to hear, at least.  I can't imagine them really going through the opening acts if, say, GNR (in whole or part) were in another state still.

It seems December is a bad month for GNR concerts. ?Slash always said Axl wants to get off the road after awhile. ?I am sure they will be on at some point, but I can't imagine the crowd being into it if they quit serving liqour around 11 or 12, which most venues do.

I think Axl travels seperate from the band.

no matter what, the media will have a field day with this.

probably, but they can go to hell.  it's rock n' roll!

Wouldn't someone most likely send a pic when GN'R first comes on, as oppose to them still waiting on the band??

File it under Yesterday's News. Remember the New Year's show where Axl showed up at 4am? GNR Runs Late is not a newsworthy headline.

So it looks like the band is onstage. Crisis averted.  :beer:

As of 1:35, they are ON STAGE.  I got a pic from ipoopie.  I sent it to Burning Hills to get it posted.

12:35 Central time.

I say they are on and we are just gettin bad info

Don't you mean 12:35? its central lol

Jungle, Easy, Brownstone, LALD

MOTHA FUCKASSSSSS!

lol yup your right. ?I was going by the time on my phone and I'm a hour ahead

Glad they're on!  I was hoping to not have to say I saw the last ever concert performance of Axl Rose! (Actually, I'd like to see it...I just don't want it to have been last week!)

Us internet folks need tor eally calm down on things and speculations.lol

I'm going tomorrow night and I was getting a little worried...they are on! : ok: : ok:

thanks burning hills for the updates,and hope all the naysayser's just naysay somewhere else!.lol

are they not playin the solos?

Why did the updates stop?  :-\

Is this lone metal rose from myspace? I think it is because you're alwys up around 8:30 am U.K. time  :hihi:

The updates stopped because we stopped getting them after Out Ta' Get Me. ?

Show got a late start, normal setlist.? Setlist changes would be the inclusion of used to love her.? Other suprise/change was that the encore was Chinese, Madagascar, Ron Solo/Don't Cry/Paradise City.


My review:

Got there at 7:30, wanted to see everything.? Some band from St Louis played for 30 min, then suicide girls then bach then helmet then GNR.? Show started at roughly 12:40???? The crowd was restless early, buy Axl and crew had them won over by the time SCOM had ended.? We were seated on fincks side,parquet,? 3 rows up.? Great seats and had an awesome view of the "behind the scenes" stuff.? My wife and I even got Beta to wave to us :)? ?Highlight for me from this show was Madagascar -Axl nailed it better then any other show I have heard (and I have damn near every boot available from 02 thru this year).? No real downers, the band was very tight and was on top of their game.? I suppose if you are trying to criticize you could bitch about the show time.? Axl apologized and mentioned the weather.? I believe him 100% in his sincerity regarding the later then normal start.? He also made another EODM crack when bach came on.? I believe it was "pidegons of poop" but I can't swear to that.? Baz called him Getty Lee, baz was wearing a RUSH t shirt.? The crowd seemed to like the new songs, with Better getting the best applause.? Not many were singing along, but seemed to enjoy the new music.? There was a little boy (8, 10?) in the front row with his dad on Finck's side.? Robin made lots of eye contact and I believe gave the boy a pick.? I'm sure the kid has a new guitar hero.? Tommy seemed to be in a good mood, I believe ROn has lost the dreds.? Sorry for rambling? I am tired as fuck and wanted to get something out to you all.? BTW, Frank is one hell of a plus for these guys.? I'll tease you all with one last observation that a bootleg may help.? I swear that one of the guitar solos that Fortis and the other guys were "mini-jamming" on was a HELL OF A LOT like the clip we have of "Checkmate (Prostitute?).? I'll never say that it was for sure, but I'm a gambler and I know where my money would be.? ?


P.S.? Have faith in Axl and the boys, it's easy to see that they are having a good time and that this is all from the heart.? If we don't get a new record this year I won't feel like Axl let me down.? I hope someone? associated with the band reads this, I as a true fan appreciate everything they are doing.......Take care





*edited for some typos/spelling after a nice warm shower*

Thanks for the review Smeagol!  : ok:

Great review.

Thanks for staying up a few minutes later.

Sweet Review!  I haven't been able to sleep at all tonight... I have tix for the target center and and after I heard about Axls illness I was really worried...but sounds like everything is good!...

Thanks smeagol! awesome review. Glads you had a great time!

THX smeagol great review

hooray!  nice one smeagol - good to hear the review and that the show was a good one. ;D

It's been said before... but thank you (smeagol) for staying up and taking the time to write your review of the show.  In knowing that all went well, I'm sure you've put many restless/worried fans at ease.  :yes:

Cheers,
W.R.

I'd have no problem with Helmet playing as long as they want....

that band kicks fucking ass and Axl likes going on later, if Helmet wants to play, let em play... : ok:

Mate cracking review! Nice to read real postive and genuine things like that!! Mike

Thanks for staying up to give us a review bud, no matter how ranting on it was, well actually it wasn't at all, thank you for the review

And there you are talking out of your ass. That shows that you don't know nothing about nothing and of course don't know Axl. We did not forget the time, did not even took a chance of waiting to fly. Left Chicago around noon. What would normally take about 5 to 6 hours, it took us 10 1/2 hours. Please know that I am not explainning myself to you but trying to let people know the truth. And, if you were trying to be funny, bad joke.

any chance you could post up the setlist from the show beta?

Thanks beta, for clearing things up...  : ok:

man, i think its great that beta comes here and tells us the truths etc etc, but there's really no need to be as agressive.

i fully understand that you want to deny the harmful lies that are spread i about axl, i respect it.

but there isn't a need to get up on your high horse everytime someone says something you dont like.

dont take this as a personal attack : ok:

Maybe she reacts this way because she is sick of all the shit that people say about Axl,that people talk about him as if they knew him when the truth is they don?t have a clue or about the wrong info or invented lies that people belive without stopping to think for a moment and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hey, you've got to be a firecracker to follow a rockstar around. =)

Most of us here appreciate the fact Beta comes on and explains things to us.

Its one thing to be critical, sarcastic ( but not mean) and debate some things about the band. It makes for a more interesting board.

The few who like to be always negative and spread mis-information and are just using this as a primary outlet for their anger & frustrations I wonder why they spend their time here? Can you call these people fans?

Anyway, glad to hear they had a great show last night and happy that Helmet is working out well, they are a good fit for this tour. It may take a few dates to win over the crowds, but opening for GNR isnt always the easiest job to do.

Thanks for the review, sounded great.  I'm seeing them in MN tonight.

Set list?

wow...wish i coulda been there!!

Agreed. 

Beta and the whole GNR crew including the Mods here are disrespecting alot of fans that stood by over the years.

YOU GO GIRL!

I don?t think so. What they do is just to stop people spreading crap and lies, and if anything, that?s a matter of respect towards the band IMO.

I am so happy that you were able to see your show and that you had a great time! I thought about you at the Chicago show. Some space opened up around me and I was dancing away during GNR"S whole set just like at Hammerstein!

I'm glad you enjoy the hours of work we put into this place, trying to have some kind of order and make sure people understand that we have rules instead of being a total anarchy.

You're very welcome.

If you wanna talk about disrespect, take a look around you.



Beta has my support to post whatever the fuck she wants.  : ok:

I'm glad she has chosen to post here to set some things straight even though I know she doesn't have to.


People use the band as an easy target, but I guess they don't expect Beta to reply. It's all fun as long as you can keep deliving the punches, but once the other guy punches back, then it's not fun anymore.

That ends this discussion that has nothing to do with the show. Thank you.





/jarmo

I'm curious to know how they are being disrespectful to the fans? The band entertains the fans, they make music we enjoy. We then buy the CD's and the dvds and concert tickets to once again enjoy the music. If you dont like it dont buy it. The same goes for the board. If you dont like the way things are then leave, dont post here anymore. Dont try to spread negativity through out it.

I appreciate the response, but I was not being serious at all. ?Moreover, you confirm what many are well aware of and what my post said, that a major snowstorm hit the Midwest, and travel was delayed from Chicago. ?Why go after me for that, isn't that a little touchy?? Trust me, I was in the storm, I know that a typical 5 hour trip can turn into 10 in that kind of weather--that's why I posted what I did.? I posted nothing that was untrue, trying to perpetuate a rumor, or insulted anyone.  Why that post, why go after that? 

I know there will be hundreds of synchopants here to now bash me to death's end, and for what? ?Half-drunkenly postulating that someone who was an hour and a half from their original hometown maybe went home to recover from illness, and then was caught in an awful snowstorm? ?It's too bad, in my opinion, that you felt the need to take this on. ?I think it would have been better left to disapear into cyberspace. ?The show went on, and it sounds like without a hitch. ?So hope all is well, and glad everyone made the trip to and from safely. ? Oh, and I am not into spreading lies, but am into spreading the "good" word about this GNR. ?If you notice, I am a big-time supporter, that has spent over $5000 dollars to and from gigs across N. America since 2001. ?The Replacements got me into rock music, and GNR sealed my love for it---so this combination of players, to me is heaven. ?I let everyone I know, who are music aficianados like myself, how talented and powerful this band is. ?I am very disapointed, that whatever GNR is, feels so insecure that they might be threatened by the messageboards.? It's just weird. ?Really sorry to have caused an issue, but was not trying to stir the pot.? ?To be quite honest, I was getting ready to get in the car and head to tonights show, daring the bad roads (6 hour drive--four friends, none have tickets yet, were buying floor).? I've waited the the whole tour for these shows, saving my money.? It was going to be a helluva a party--but after this, I might have to reconsider.? Weirded out by the pure vanity and lock down going on here.? ? :-\

Funny things AXL said last night

"sorry for being tartey, well like david lee roth said I don't fell tartey

Hope you guys aint tired(at about 2 am) we got a long night yet

MR bach put on a great show , helmut ok but went to long . really lost the crowd, suicide girls were different



was at the show last night ?show ended at 2:45 and there were alot of pissed off people

OH WELL

I had great seats and people around me were leaving like 15 minutes before guns came on, thought he wasn't showing LOL

when they came out, ?they got the crowd right away , but lost them after the solos and some of the slower tunes, alot of people left around 2 am

Bumblefoot didn't seem to exicted , maybe he was sick or something??

Axl threw the microphone into the crowd , he faked like he was going to throw it a long ways, but so many people had left the General admission area that he had to throw it short

Overall Great show now I must rest, In about 12 hours I will see it again in Minnesota

i only posted what i diod, because i've reads minneapolisnewsman's posts for a while, and isn't an asshole. i took what was said as a joke not an attack but, hey... :)

It's the asshole remarks that Beta, Axl, and you have been making over the past few months that are getting under my skin.

Thats all. : ok:

Did I call you an asshole? Did I single you out?

Or do you feel targeted by the comments made about the whiners and the negative ones?





/jarmo

It is the last part of your statement that Beta got pissed at.  Think about all the shit that gets said about GnR everytime they are late or a show gets cancelled it makes the fuckin news.  Any other band can cancel a show or 2 or 5 or 10 but no one says fuck all but because it's GnR and fuckin reporters and media are stuck in 1992 still that pisses of Beta and fans like myself. 

I expect one thing from GnR and that is to fuckin rock the house.  I do not expect them to do anything else.  I have friends and family that show me love I don't need a rock star telling me how great I am or holding my fuckin hand every 2 seconds telling me they will show up.  At this point GnR has played more then enought show that  I trust them to show for every one unless they state otherwise. 

I find it funny how some on these boards fell like Axl owes them something.  Sorry but I don't think Axl has a fuckin gun pointed at your head  telling you to waste hrs on these message boards.  If you go to the shows he thanks all the fans for coming out.  That is more then enough. 

this pretty much sums of everything from last night for those of you looking for a review, I was going to post every one of these topics.  Dead on about Bumblefoot, he looked tired and really only got into one song (better).  Everyone has their bad days though so it's cool.  Tommy and Robin were incredible and full of energy.  They'd even dance backstage in between solos and jams, pretty funny.  Sebastian actually had a bigger crowd than GNR because so many had left.  It felt like a high school band was playing at the end cause the floor was so empty but I don't care how many people are there as long as I got to see GNR.  During Jungle Bumblefoot came to the side and one guy pointed towards his watch and Bumble just kind of chuckled and gave the "not in my control dude" look to him. 

Helmet is absolutely horrible.  An hour long set consisting of not one melody and the guitarist playing one note for an entire solo with a bit of feedback.  For those of you that thought Bullet for My Valentine were bad they were much better than these guys.  The crowd even tried to cut them some slack for the first half hour. 

Got back to MPLS after 6am, I am officially on rockstar time right now.  I think I'll enjoy tonights show more just cause my body clock is a little used to it now.  Being the biggest fan in the world I was still getting so tired that it was hard to enjoy the show...so hopefully casual fans didn't let the time affect their experience. 

Funny I said yesterday that if something happened regarding the weather that people would find a way to blame Axl and sure enough they did!

No need for insults and beating the old "it's started late" dead horse....




/jarmo

I am VERY glad to see the "Axl threw his mic stand at a kid!" line from another board was debunked by these reviews.  No, he didn't throw the mic stand, Robin gave him a pick!  ::)  I hate it when we have to doubt info, but this just shows we have to. 

Hope we get a few more reviews ;D

Still no complete setlist from the show?


M.

From the Des Moines Register.com

From the jungle to the city, Guns N? Roses? setlist from Hilton Coliseum in Ames on Friday night ? err, Saturday morning:

1. ?Welcome to the Jungle?

2. ?It?s So Easy?

3. ?Mr. Brownstone?

4. ?Live and Let Die?

5. ?Sweet Child O? Mine?

6. ?Better?

7. ?Knockin? on Heaven?s Door?

8. ?You Could Be Mine?

9. ?The Blues?

10. ?Out ta Get Me?

11. ?Used to Love Her?

12. ?IRS?

13. ?My Michelle?

14. ?Patience?

15. ?Nightrain?

16. ?Chinese Democracy? (encore)

17. ?Madagascar? (encore)

18. ?Paradise City? (encore)

Thanks for the setlist. Does anyone know the last time Guns N Roses played Estranged live? Has the new band ever played it?

Is it correct that November Rain WAS NOT played???? :peace:

That setlist seems to be lacking NR....  :confused:




/jarmo

New band has never played 'Estranged' live. They may have practiced it in the studios or wherever, but that much we don't know.

Yes missing November Rain...anyone at the show have a set list?

First of all...Helmet is possibly the worst band I have ever seen in my life. ?That was THE most boring set in the history of the world. ?My friend and I sat outside the actual playing space for the whole time. ?Suicide Girls was pretty hawt, especially when i was sitting next to two 12-year-olds... :rofl: ?Originally we would've had shitty seats but they were reserved for lights so we sat in perfect seats in section 111/row 13/seats 6 & 7, for the price of Upper Bowl seats ?:D ?Sebastian was good too. ?Anyways, Axl apologized (sincerely IMO) for being late and explained it was due to the weather. ?I knew it was going to happen because thats what my luck is :hihi: but it wasn't a big deal. ?Robin's solo owned, as did CD, Madagascar, Better, and IRS. ?It was probably the most amazing show I've ever seen. ?:love:

NOVEMBER RAIN WAS PLAYED OK!

Thanks, that's what I thought. I've been looking for live versions of it and couldn't find anything later that UYI tour. I'd love to hear the new band play it some time.

It such a signiture song, surprised it was omitted. Maybe because it is a longer song & they wanted to fit in more uptempo rockers?

It wasn't omitted. 

 ? ?yes november rain was played, not sure when. and nobody threw anything at my son. like someone posted earlier robin gave the security guy a pick to give to him. and yes he has a guitar hero now, ?3 of em. ?along with the rest of the band. ?it was his birthday by the time guns came on, and i'm pretty sure he will never forget his little gift from robin. ? : ok:

Aww that is so great!!!!!  Happy birthday to your son!  One he will never forget for sure! ;D

thats really cool!  your son must be over the moon!  sounds like a great atmosphere at the gig, thanks to all for the updates and setlists.  x

Alright I just got back from the show, and it was fucking awesome!  Smeagol2124 did an awesome review of the show.  Me and him pretty much had the same seats except i was on the bumblefoot/Dizzy/Fortus side.  I think the crowd on his side must of been a lot better than on myside cause a lot of people on my side were fucking dicks.

  I just wanted to clarify something Guns werent really that late getting on.  I don't believe it was even an hour wait.  People on my side were booing so early and just deciding to leave like 35 minutes into the wait.  The thing that blows me a way is do you not even know who you are going to see?  I also had this guy who kept flipping off axl every time he really close to us.  I thougt for sure this guy would be kicked out but axl didn't do anything.  I wonder if he just didn't see him?  People starting leaving after 2 but it just doesn't make any sense why people would leave when they paid to see this band.

  That was the bad stuff.  The good thing is the band sounded incredible.  Not a thing went wrong.  Not a guitar, vocal, or keyboard problem.  Bumblefoot seemed upset though for some reason.  Actually during one of the songs I saw Tommy look over at bumblefoot and ask him "What's wrong? What's wrong?".  So I don't really know what that was about (by the way tommy was super into it the whole night).  People were really into the guitar solos from side, but when dizzy did his (by the way it was really awesome) people really didn't get the whole piano solo thing.  Frank is really good in gnr he trys getting the crowd into it.  Axl sounded incredible and looked great.   

Everyone go see this band.

smeagol2124 pointed this out earlier but in our town of Des Moines in the paper they did have a article saying that chinese democracy was coming out on dec. 18.  I called all of towns cd sellars and they didn't have anything about that, but i was just curious if anyone has heard anything about this date?  I'll call the newspaper today.


 
 

Listening to 94.9 FM on the way down at 7:30 the dj call interviewed Axl.  I'm sure it was recorded earlier in the day or the week.  They were in the middle of rehearsal.  Axl said that they were almost done and just were going to run through PC one more time.  The DJ's first question was "when is CD going to come out".  Axl gave the same answer "fall or late fall"  and the DJ's like, it's December and Winter Axl, do you mean fall 2007?   So there was a chuckle and that was the extent of the interview.  Then Axl held the phone up to must of been Bumble's amp cause there was a lot of noodling.

I remember that kid in front of Robin, he was cool and into the songs, Robin came out right in front with WTTJ.

Is it just me or did Madagascar get a huge crowd reaction?  People knew this song for some reason much more than the other four new ones.

Better really impressed me, havn't liked the youtube versions as much but live it was incredible.  The hard metal part really flows and isn't as start/stoppy like the demo. 

November Rain was played after Used to Love Her and before IRS I think.  Baz and Maria were down waiting to go on and I remember Baz singing along to NR and IRS to warm up for My Michelle. 

Axl was fantastic as always.  His sound was much better from "The Blues" on so they must have fixed something in the mix.  He was much more active than I remember at the Hammerstein shows.   

the interview you are talking about was recorded on the Eddie Trunk show back in May before the Hammerstein shows.

Cool review :)   Lots of good reviews, its nice to see the band back out there after Milwaukee.

haha, I know that interview JB, I can almost recite it by heart, this was different, by a local DJ, hence the talk about it being December. 

There was nothing substantial about it anyways, same answers to the same questions. 

Thanks again to everyone for the updates. Looks like another kick ass show even with the late start. Glad everyone had fun!

Here's the to the rest of the tour going smoothly and  maybe even an album soon!

^thats why you dont even bother going to the arena until at least 10:30  : ok:

I just got back from Ames.  I won't do a big review since others already have that covered, plus I need to take a nap for tonights show as well. But is was a GREAt show, Axl sounded amazing!! My favorite songs of the night were Better, and IRS.  It is amazing to hear those songs played live.  Axl nailed IRS!


As far as the late start, people were booing and getting restless, but it wasnt the whole crowd. I felt bad for Helmet, even though I thought they were boring, they still shouldn't get booed.  Axl apologized and mentioned it was weather reasons for the late start. (he said that at the end).

I thought it was a decent sized crowd, bigger than I expected, but few did leave early, their loss. Sorry for the crappy updates, I forgot to send them after they played OTGM.

Off to nap and get ready for tonight!

Don't believe that BS review by Kyle Munson.  I thought it was a great show and overall people enjoyed themselves. If it wasn't for the late start start, I am sure Mr Munson would have given it a better review.  The late start did kill some of the momentum of the show toward the end.  But hey, I loved every minute of the show, amazing!   

Haha, we didnt get to the arena until 11ish last night.  Going around the same time again tonight! 

Thanks for the review and update, everyone.
Robin's interaction with cbeier78's kid is a nice sweet episode.

So although the weather wasn't nice to the band and early birds, it was a great show on a rare condition.


 :D thanks. Hehe good. Hope someone recorded this.

@ Minnie, Thorazine and daviebuckethead
I think the touchy bit wasn't really on the late starts or cancellation record.
It was the assumption displayed on the last two lines.

If you see a gross slander against your family or a close friend, especially when you know that can't be more wrong, you're entitled to get furious, don't you think? imagine your exasperation.
whether it's meant to be a joke or not, it's all the same to you. It can't be your idea of fun.

question..in what order do the openers play, don't want to miss Bach

dude be there by the time the doors open , and you are sure to catch Baz , its not just a Gnr show , But  Party amonsgt fans as well

I just recieved this text...I'm assuming it was taken last night by ipoopie?  It's a shot of the crowd and looks pretty damn good to me

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/thewildheart/122865938_397464503_0.jpg)

LF, is poop going to be updating you again tonight?  Thanks to both of you for last night.  : ok:

I'm not sure, this text was pretty unexpected lol

I'm willing though, gonna be up anyway! ;)

So i'll start with standing in line. We get there at about 400 and there's less than a dozen people in front of us. The line for the GA was very small, I'd say about 30 people until about 630. Then the line started to get longer. The crowd was very diverse as far as age goes, there was a couple there that look like they were in their 60's. Then there was a family there with a kid that looked like he was 7 or 8. But lot of kids in high school n stuff like that. IT WAS COLD AS FUCK. I was wearing Chuck Taylor's so my toes were frozen like nobody's business. At 7 o'clock the doors finally opened. As we were running to get our front row spot, the old couple that I was telling you about, the lady fell on her face. NO BULLSHIT!!!!  :rofl:

But anyways, at 7:30, a band from St Louis played, forgot their names. I guess they won a spot from a radio contest or something to open. They were alright. Next were the Suicide Girls, HOT HOT HOT SEXY HOT. Nuff said. Then Baz, comes on with his corny ass. I was not a fan of him and still am not. However, I did enjoy his performance, better than what I expected. Blah blah blah.

Then shitty ass Helmet. I just did not get this. They SUCKED, THEY SUCKED, THEY FUCKING SUCKED. Their music was bland and boring, kinda killed the enthusiasm. The crowd booed them and a couple of things got thrown at them. I don't understand why Axl thought that EODM sucked and don't think Helmet sucks. But then came the wait.

12:30 am...................are you fucking kidding me???? When 12:00 o'clock rolled around, I thought that the show was gonna get cancelled and that we would have a Philly on hour hands but this time with pitch forks. But when Axl finally came on stage, all was forgiven. I would say that that Axl was in great form. Voice was good and energy was good. He did blow his nose just a couple of times and coughed a few. The highlight of the show to me was Tommy freakin Stinson. I asked him for a pick, and he threw one to me but I did not catch it. DAMN!!! But dude is hilarous. During November Rain, Tommy was looking down at us, and he was mocking Axl's lyrics. On the part that goes, " Don't you know you need sometime, all alone" Tommy mockingly rubs tears out of his eyes. Funny as hell. I will now say that Tommy won me over.

Overall, the show was good as expected, Axl looked great, but pretty short. And speaking of short, Baz's bass player looks like a midget. Either that or he could be a stunt double for an Asian in a kung fu movie. But anyways, seeing the concert front row and absorbing in the show did not change my opinion about this band. It was a great show, but the 1993 show was better. I still think that there is a lack of chemistry between the bandmates. Security was very cool. They were passing out cups of water to the people on the floor and they were very personable. We waited by the buses hoping to meet members but it got too cold, so we gave up.

I met a couple of people from this board and mygnr. I met Whatisitman, who by the way, is a season ticket holder to GnR shows.  :hihi:

Another cool thing was, our hotel was right next to this Mexican bar/restaurant who had $.99 Margaritas. :beer: 

That's how I get down.

All I have to say is that it was amazing.  I went with 9 other people, most haven't heard their new shit and they fucking loved it.  This band rocks plain and simple.

The best part was the fact that there was almost a riot.  Axl took the stage very fucking late and a lot of people left before they went on.  But he made up for it with an great performance.

I, too, went w/ a group.  Out of 7, only 2 were die-hards.

All 7 left the show amazed.

On the long ass drive back to Missouri I received phone calls validating our position as long-term fans. 

It IS worth it!

Yes, I took that picture.? I thought the crowd was decent size, so I just wanted to let you all see it.? ?Wierd though, I sent the picture last night and LittleFly just received it?? I cannot send updates tonight because I am going with such a big group.? But if anything major happens I will text little fly again.? I will probably send a picture of tonights crowd as well.

Greatest fucking show of my life! I don't know why people are bitching about the "late" start...This is Guns n Fucking Roses...I don't understand some people,its a fucking ROCK SHOW...It was a good sized show and everyone seemed into it...I know I was...I made my way up to the very front,right in front of Tommy and Robin...I kinda lost it during the show,I really went crazy during Better,Jumping and singing,sorry for any toes I crushed or heads I butted,haha!The guys noticed me and my buds really getting into the show and singing the new tunes,Robin was fucking awesome,pointing at us and giving us water bottles throughout the show...and Tommy...The guy was in outter space, The shit he was doing during November Rain had me laughing my ass off!Axl was in top form and this show had a great fucking mix, everything was totally clear and Axl was going nuts running the stage...People were passing out left and right from exhaustion, it was intense, that is a fucking rock show,and I hope everyone was okay,but that goes to show how intense Axl gets the crowd...After the lights went down and everyone started leaving the arena, the lights finally came back on and Beta was still on stage, We yelled at her and she gaves us the thumbs up and pointed, then Axl came back out and she gave him his coat, we yelled our thanks, and he yelled 'Thank you very much' and clapped for us few left on the floor...Amazing night....The openers were great....Some people are just impacient twats and got to boo people...Whatever...Everyone was awesome...Grade A fucking show...

I gotta give Axl some props for riding on a bus for 12 hours.

again...Helmet effin sucks. :'(

where did you see that AXL ROSE was on a bus for 12 hours?  Maybe someone in their crew or party was, but no one said he was...

if the airline was down , he was done also , think about it

Helmet fuckin rocked balls. 

been a Helmet fan for more than 10 years.

No one has any business preceing GN'R than Sebastian Bach.

cool...band with no melody whatsoever  ::)

I want to tell you guys the show was top notch for a man that I truely think was still a bit ill. He coughed a few times and when he spoke during the Roth comment (which everyone has posted about) and got cut off when he said something like "Well I didn't know how this was gonna turn out but, okay thanks" then the band started playing. I also felt that he was still a bit under the weather when he introduced the band. Yet, he still sounded better than ever. If he was sick he masked it very well.? The mix was perfect the crowd seemed into it but, I really could not tell you because SalamiGlasgow and I and a few others near us went nuts. We were head banging, yelling Robin, Tommy, Richard, Axl and Ron. People were surfing and getting kicked out. People were just plain passing out. Security was very nice... they handed out water... Thanks Phil Donahue and Co. (one of security looked like him) Some Interesting things that have yet to be mentioned Personal and None. 1) During November Rain Tommy was going crazy like people said but, during the lyric, "Everybody Needs Some Time On Their Own" He was bent down in the same area as me and my friends (FRONT ROW CENTER RIGHT) and looked to us and said," I Do" stuck his tongue out and laughed and was totally hellarious. 2) Tommy the entire concert... he made funny faces and looked like he really enjoyed himself. 3) Robin Finck gave me the first water bottle. I yelled and cheered for him the whole time since he was on our side most of the night-morning. I just yelled " Robin Water" and he threw it to me. Also a bit earlier than that I yelled Robin and pointed with SalamiGlasgow and he did a kickass smile and and nod. Later, He threw one to SalamiGlasgow too. Robin was the best and I always think is the best at a show. Hence, when the show was over one of the three shirts I bought was a rf shirt... it is badass. Never seen it before. 4) Before? The Blues Dizzy Played Angie On Piano 5) Axl did the a hellarious nut grab on the "Suck Me" I about cried with laughter. Yet he was all over the place and you were utterly amazed 6) Oh, before their set like during Modern Day Zero and Helmet you could see GNR members like Robin, Tommy, Frank, Ron. Robin was either getting hit on by one of the Suicide Girls or she was trying to spark conversation but, Robin was having none of it and proceeded to stretch out... It was funny to me and SalamiGlasgow. 7) Helmet was good but the crowd was too eager for GNR and I think they should have maybe opened and Modern Day Zero been last... MDZ was awesome. The Suicide Girls should only come out when the stage is being switched for bands. 8) Beta was dancing on the right of the backstage... she danced through like the first 5-6 songs and then she just hung outside Axl's dressing room and gave pats to him and Tommy and whomever went by. She seemed very excited and loving. 9) When the show ended and people cleared out I seen Beta with "the white robe" and I yelled Beta and she bowed and kinda waved but had "the white robe" then Axl came out again and I yelled for her and she waved and then I yelled Axl and he turned before he got the robe and kinda did the stop motion wave freeze thing. My friend SalamiGlasgow yelled and pointed too now and I yelled you are the best and thanks and kept pointing and then he turned again and did a extended wave thing and said thank you thank you and pointed kinda and Beta and him were all smiles. They seemed like the nicest people in the world. 10) I got merchandise... I got the rf shirt, gnr star logo with with ivy and the similar image on back (note before now I never knew the gnr shirts had sparklies on them it's kinda cool) and the blue gnr shirt with the guns. This was the one hell of a performance by a amazing band. This band appears to be getting better and better. There should be no bad reviews. This show probably was the best show he has done of the tour til this date. Everyone was on key and Axl was perfect. One minor funny was It's So Easy Had to Be started twice... some problem with Tommy's Bass or His sound or something... It was not his fault I believe... He was crazy but, never missed a note. If you can see GNR do it... this band is 1,000,000,000 times better live and than the "other" band. This Is GNR and I love them. Also, to the Pirates Of The Caribbean Mother Fucker at the show... Thanks for punching me in the back a dozen times... preciate it. You were never gonna get the front and guess what you didn't... Jackass. On a scale of 5 stars this show was 5 stars... Kyle Munson of The Des Moines Register doesn't know a good show or music for that matter. I challenge you for your job and a fight. I hope you get fired. If I think of anything more I'll let you know... Later

wow
that was awsome man
thanx for sharing
im here in israel but reading this make me feel im just there
loved the "beta and axl part"

Beta, I appologize for the disruption but I think you are picking on the wrong guy this time. This guy has been actually very positive and supportive of the band. You can read his posts if you don't believe me. It's just the bad joke that he made that probably misled you. Just my humble opinion. Peace.

Yeah, Minneapolisnewsman has been around for a while and is positive towards the band.

Ah well, just a misunderstanding from both parties I assume.

And hey, Beta's online now, isnt there a show right now?! Maybe Beta can give us the live updates.  :hihi:

Jarmo, this is a personal attack, if there every has been one.  Just want to point that out.  Secondly, this is getting ridiculous in nature, and insane.  Jarmo, can you please let whoever this is, know, that I have been a big supporter fo this band (I guess my other post did not explain that enough, or was not read thoroughly).  I hope, this is not the modus of operandi for this bands management; if it is, there is much more to worry about than late starting times.  I am a huge fan of the band, have never attacked the band, and am quite certain this is a very unprovoked attack.  Weird, and disapointing.  Jarmo, PM me if you have any questions or a reply.  Very sad about this, as I have been a diehard supporter and fan for over ten years, and now am attacked like this for no reason or a misunderstanding.  It is too bad, and disheartening.

FYI, There is a big difference between "psychophants" (is that a word), and "sychopants".   Axl used that word in a few songs, on UYI's.  It is one who is servile, in nature, no matter what the circumstances.

There's no question about the fact that you're a big supporter of the band, but that joke was lame....


You're not the first person to make that kind of jokes.

That's what this is about.




/jarmo

Oh well, at least they made it to the gig, even if they were a little "tartey"!? I do think, this was a little too much and you need to defend or explain the joking side people, who helped make your board what it is, to management or whomever these assistants are.? You've done a great job building this place Jarmo, and I think there is some underlying tension going on, that maybe making this place a little strange, and could become another downer for longtime fans. 

I was Front Center, a bit to the left. I don't know if you heard me but I was heckling Helmet's roadies. Telling them to get all of their bullshit off of the stage.

You were pretty close to me up there, I was row 10 (actual row 6).  Did you see those skinny 40 year old ladies stumbling up and down the stairs all night?  The one time she came down and her boyfriend was just holding her up by her jacket.  Do you have any more pics?  I could only find LALD, Used to Love Her, and a bit of Brownstone on youtube, has anyone else found any more?  And can people please stop whining in this thread, sorting through Beta, Newsman, and Jarmo's posts are pretty boring and old. 

The part I find interesting is that nobody has reported the commitment that was made to make the show.  It took 5 to 6.5 hours longer than normal, but if you don't view this board you wouldn't have known that. Any other musician that made this commitment and it would have been on every ET, Extra show.  I would just like to see some positive press about GnR, and this would have been a perfect opporturnity.  Also, if any other musician would have cancelled then no big deal.  But if Axl would have cancelled then everybody would have a negative comment.  I just found this a very positive post with how committed that GnR is to their die-hard fans, and that everything will be a success. It makes me excited about the next few months with an album release and a second part of a tour.

A great observation and a great first post  :peace:

totally agree, on that point!

I totally agree. That is why I posted about the weather in previous posts! Where I work we are THRILLED that people show up during snowstorms! Otherwise we have to stay!

Beta, I know that you mean well and that you have Axl's best interest at heart.
But honestly, I don't think it's wise to be insulting and alienating fans who have been standing behind the band for many many years. The large majority of people who come to these forums have stood by the band for years - These are Axl's dedicated and most diehard fans.? I realize you want to defend Axl and explain the situation - which is admirable - but attacking fans is not.? Just my opinion, my friend.  ?

i enjoyed this concert......now onto the cd?

Madison, I know that you mean well and that you have your own interest at heart.
But honestly, I don't think it's wise to be talking like anyone here gives a shit about your opinion. The large majority of people who come to this forum actually stand by the band as a musical group, and not a tool to run ticket scalping ads, such as the ones your site ran in 2002.

I give a shit about Madison's opinion...so there  :P

I think the real problem is that "fans who have been standing behind the band" and Axl for years seem to show up here with only negativity.  I still truly do not understand why those who are negative about the current band's members or material would be wasting their time here. 

are you fucking kidding me? 

you're just jealous that management shuns your board, and thats because your board has 10 times the negative posts.  you allow people to troll and whine for slash day in and day out.    i think its awesome beta is taking the time here to post and give us her thoughts and i dont blame her one bit for lashing out at those who wish to come here and be negative day in and day out.     Just my opinion, my friend.

Dude, perhaps you didn't read the thread close enough. If you had, you would see that the person she attacked - and told to "stay at home" and claimed the band "will be absolutely fine without your money and support" - was a diehard fan who had spent more than $5,000 traveling around to see the band since 2001. This wasn't a troll bashing the band - this was a dedicated, diehard fan who had been supporting the band for years.? Yet, you think it's somehow cool for her to insult and alienate fans like that?? Sorry, but I just don't think it's smart - and I doubt Axl would either.

I understand her wish to defend Axl and the band, but insulting and alienating Axl's fanbase isn't the way to do it. I think she means well - but let her emotions get in the way.

As for our forum, yes, we do encourage freedom of speech - but we don't allow anybody - and it doesn't matter who you are - to attack other members. You should know this more than anybody Jim Bob - since you've been banned from our forum multiple times for doing just that.

That's nice. You have rules.

I'm a member there, but I guess I don't count.

Maybe you meant to say "we don't allow anybody - and it doesn't matter who you are - to attack other members unless you're attacking Jarmo"?

The opinion of a few uninformed posters at MyGNR doesn't bother me. But when you claim to have rules, which aren't exactly being enforced, it makes me laugh.

So before you come here to teach us about how to run our board and tell off one of our posters, maybe you need to look over your own house first?




/jarmo

That's not true, my friend.
We have a large board, and we don't always see the posts as soon as they're posted. But as soon as we do see them, I can assure you that warnings are given to members who attack you or anybody else, and we have deleted many threads that were started solely to diss you.? I think posts and threads like that are totally out of line.?

We all share a common bond - the band's music - and it's pointless and juvenile when people try to create forum wars.? I've never supported such a thing and never will.? ..  And just so you know - The only reason I brought up our forum at all in my post was to respond to Jim Bob's post attacking us.

You two should take this elsewhere and do not ruin a concert discussion thread with some boards' disagreements.  ;D

Offtopic: And yes, I agree that it was Jim Bob talking out of his ass, as we know very well that the subject of these attacks (minneapolisnewsman) has been a much bigger supporter of the band over the years than Jim Bob has been. Yet, only a couple of posters actually dared to defend minneapolisnewsman in here....sad. :(

you are the one talking our your ass, my friend.  i'm as big a supporter of this band as anyone else.      whats up fucked up is you people attacking someone close to the GNR camp who actually has information we all want.   

Look, I have nothing to do with mygnr and I am not defending Madison or her board. I am just trying to defend a guy who I believe was wrongfully attacked (probably as a result of some misunderstanding and bad luck). Only a couple of others dared to do that.
I visit your Robin board and think it is very cool and I know alot about you and that you are a fan. Yet, I still think I am more impressed with minneapoilsnewsman as far as support for the band - because support in my opinion should go a bit more than just posting statements online.
And I am also saddened by your openly kissass attitude.....Beta comes in the house and you immediately edit your post from saying "mygnr and other boards harbor gnr haters and suck, etc" to "I am a big supporter of the band."
Let others judge this for ya.  : ok:
Sorry for the offtopic. Jarmo, please delete if deemed necessary.

i've seen the band 4 times.. i dont know how much more support could possibly give them..  (unless i had more money)

the poster made a joke in bad taste, i dont doubt his support for the band.. but this is exactly the kind of thing that makes Axl hate the internet, don't you think?   People who read something like his post casually get the wrong idea and thats how misconceptions start.   its already been explained..   And I attacked mygnr because I find the stuff that goes on there disgusting and in terrible taste and then madison comes here with her condescending bullshit like this is mygnr?  fuck that.   beta is closer to axl than any of us, way closer.. so if she is upset by something posted here, she has the right to defend herself and Axl.

i'm done with this.  i simply wanted to explain myself.

How cool is it............that the concert that I attended, the concert that I was in front row at, would be the topic where the forum wars (mygnrforum vs. HTGTH) would begin.  :beer:

There's no forum war. :P

Damn it!!!!

I don't think the joke was in bad taste, but he should perhaps have written it better. A couple of smilies in the right places perhaps. I can't see that Axl has got a problem with people joking about his lateness, after all, he does that himself. But I think he's got a problem with people telling him to fuck off before they know all the facts, so do I, but a couple of obvious light hearted jokes? I seriously doubt it.

However, if you want to make a joke, be sure you write it properly and that you know how to write one in the first place. This one goes to minneapolisnewsman :hihi:

Wow! Not even sure what to say.
I useually stay out of these fights, but I find it a little sad that Madison has to come to another site and get this pissed off. Madison I normally like most of the things you have to say, but I think it is wrong for you to come over here with that attitude. Maybe you should keep comments like this on your own board. I have never seen Jarmo go to your site like this.
In Beta's defence she had every right to say what she said. There are a lot of diehard gnr fans that suck!!! And thats just sad! Glad she spoke up!!!
As for Jim bob, most of us here claim to be diehard fans, doesn't mean anyone of us deserve special attention. I have spent a fortune on gnr items, shows and travel, but that doesn't make me special. Just dedicated.
peace out
amyl

madison has a point people....   beta was a little too harsh for my taste as well. i know that she`s in a special position though...

Beta was this, Beta was that... so what? She said what she thought should be said. Past tense. And now like 10 days later we have all the soul-caring 'fans' saying Beta was harsh, wrong, attacking loyal fanbase. Of course no one really cares about the truth anymore...

As far as I can see this is thread about Ames show @ Hilton...

Beta is probably the closest person to Axl and she has every right to get mad when someone is doing something harmful. Now I like Minneapolisman and I know he was just joking, but I think it's fair to say this is just a misunderstanding on everyone's part. Its' really no big deal.

Now, with Madisons post...
Jarmo is completely right. There is no way in hell Madison goes deleting those posts. I've recently (as recent as 2 days ago) been to MYGNR and tried to stand up for HTGTH but those flamers never quit, and the posts are never deleted. CD.com is just as bad, I've seen Jarmo-hating threads, and they refer to Mygnr as "mygaynr"
I think this thread should be locked before more shit hits the fan.  ;D

For the people who know Axl well, that kind of joke is no other than scoffs.


Yea most of them are media victims. Guess they are more like the fans of critics than of GNR.

this is what i dont understand at all.    its like these people want it to fail.   i dont understand why any reputable GNR board (in general, not directed at anyone), would not only allow this kind of stuff, but create an atmosphere that is INVITING to these types of trolls.

I just literally took 10 seconds to do a search on MYGNR and alas I find a long thread from today that is attacking Jarmo, Beta, and HTGTH. Why isnt it deleted?
I see people calling Beta profain things and telling her to fuck off, that are "supporters" there, been there for years, and have 7000 posts.
And they wonder why this place is better than MYGNR and gets the attention of management? Ha!

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=86081&view=findpost&p=1561613

jealousy is the bitch.

well jim bob, those media victims still love axl and possibly axl can't help loving those misguided poor souls and hopes one day they'll know better. :'(

Beta waved at me when I called out to her at the Minneapolis show, she is ok in my book!  How did this thread turn into HTGTH vs MYGNR?

Your link is to a thread where fans are discussing their views on the way Beta attacked and insulted a long-time fan -- It's not a thread that was started to diss another forum. Fans are simply giving their views on how she spoke to fans.  Why would we delete that?  Our forum is set up to allow people to express their views, and I make no apologies for that.  It was those angry views that prompted me to post here and make a friendly suggestion to Beta that it might be wise if she didn't insult and alienate long-time fans - for Axl's sake.

Children ruined it.

If Beta is pissed off at somebody, she has her reason(s). She never attacked anybody randomly.

Your users are overreacting and overanalyzing something very simple.

She reacted to a lame joke. In case you haven't noticed, sarcasm doesn't always work well on message boards.

What seems like a perfect and funny joke to you, might not seem like a joke to somebody else.

The poster didn't mean any harm with his joke, but unfortunately for him, the joke didn't come off as something funny/humorous.



She takes time to actually post and comment on lies about the band and/or Axl. Instead of appreciation, people attack her.

I'm not surprised. This band has some fans who seem to be more into negativity than anything else. People who'll find something to whine about in everything.

That's the "fans" Beta told to stay home. If you can't see the difference between those people and the fans who support the band, you probably are in that group yourself.



I don't know what gives your users the right to give any advice to Beta (or anybody else here) about how to behave.

Judging by some of those posts, maybe you need to give some of those people some "friendly advice" on how to behave, before you come over here and give us more friendly advice?

So go back and look over your own house for a while. I'm sure you'll find plenty of threads to moderate.

I did....



/jarmo