Here Today... Gone To Hell!

So Beta saying she'd like to shove a mic stand up a guy's ass does belong in an update thread. Slashead saying that she seems tense doesn't. mj saying he'd help shove it up the guy's ass does belong there....

Just trying to understand the logic at work here.  :peace:

Simple logic:

She was responding to the bullshit posted, it needs to go away.





/jarmo

Good luck with that.

I can understand Beta getting upset about things like this.  I really do.  I for one am glad she cleared the air on that throwing the mic story.  And I can even undrstand she would say she'd like to shove the stand in his well you know the rest.  Lies like that should never be started.  But I just wish that they could see as well that we as fans who are anxiously waiting to hear a new record by our favourite band for the first time in 12 years are getting upset as well.  And wish they would clear some air on that as well.  It is coold they cleared the air on the mic story.  That put that lie and rumour to rest.  But I think they need to clear the air as far as rumours concerning the album as well.  Even though we all get to see our favourite band touring.  The fans really want to hear that new record that they have been working on and was promised.  And that makes it a tough time to be a GNR fan.  Just an opinion.

It just irritates me that if you work for the band, you can apparently speak to forum members any way you want. Ok, this guy did have it coming, but all the same, someone else around here was just given a -1 karma for bitching about a banned member, who also had it coming.

I also initially wondered why Slashead's comment was deleted but mj's equally irrelevant one was left. But to be honest, I'm past caring. I know you run things your own way. Sorry for starting the thread.

Beta seems like a very angry and not so clever woman. Atleast half of her posts are attacks on people cracking small jokes. I appreciate people close to the band posting here, but there's no need for all this agression. It makes us all look like fools.

She does seem to always be angry and attack people.  In the case of the mic story dude.  He may have deserved some of it.  In the case of Minneapolis I think she went too far.  But hey maybe we don't deserve respect when we make jokes about GNR.  But despite all that at least she comes here to clear some rumours.  And as I said before we can be thankful for that.  I just wish they would clear the air about album remours as well.  Those are the big ones in my view.

Ever thought that your digs and "funny jokes" might not be funny to somebody else?

Ever thought that most of the sarcastic remarks might not look like jokes to everybody and that causes confusion? Some people actually read everything like it was written seriously. So suddenly your sarcastic joke is "the truth" and it gets repeated on some other board and somebody copies it to another place and so on and so on...




/jarmo

I'm not entering any discussion with you. I've said what I had to say.

all im gonna say is act like a fool get treated like a fool...

I think you have a point there....






/jarmo

Yeah, I know of someone who learn?d that lesson yesterday. Or maybe he didn't.

hahaha laughing my ass of if you mean the guy i think of? :hihi: :rofl: :lmao:

I can't believe that people closely involved in the GNR camp post here and some of our so called 'fans'/members feel its cool to disrespect them because they feel they are owed something.    none of these people owe us anything.

Who the hell is disrespecting Beta because they feel she owes us something? People said she seemed angry when she started insulting board members. Do you read what people write, or just copy and paste this into every thread?


Beta's digs and "funny jokes" at the expense of board members aren't funny to me.

I don't speak on her behalf, all I can speak of is my own experiences.

Quite often do I reply to a post and then the poster will say "I was just joking".

Considering how many jokes and lies are being posted about Axl and the band, I guess she has more than enough reasons to be tell the liars and shit starters off.


/jarmo

you are the one who needs to read what people are posting.    someone posted bullshit in the update thread that would have reflected negatively on Axl, of course shes going to respond harshly.   The people who got upset about it are the ones who wont shut up about the fucking release date announcement and act as if they are owed something.     they feel that if beta is posting here she needs to talk to us about what THEY want her to talk about and thats how they treat her.   they bitch and whine about shows being late that they aren't even fucking at.   they bitch about the setlist and how repetitive it is when they haven't even been to a fucking show.     they bitch and whine that a release date hasn't been made yet and act as if someoen from the GNR camp told them to come to a GNR board everyday waiting for Chinese Democracy and to bitch about the tour.   fuck those people. 

Complaining about the album, or feeling like you're owed something has nothing to do with what Slashead or Minneapolisnewsman, or Beta said.

If someone visits your house, then you would expect them to respect your rules, whatever they may be. If you visit someone else's house, then you should respect their rules. Different houses, different rules.

Why you need to question this, or break it down into some kind of physics equation, I don't know.

Betas lack of respect for board members (which is so desrespectful that I despise this woman), Axls rant about board members at a show, Dels write up that was on the GNR.com page, and the showing up late at concerts that cause people to miss their rides home have got me upset to the point that I could care less about NuGNR.  I've been a devoted follower, defended Axl for years and I feel that its all in vain.   I fucking hate that I feel that way too considering how much of a fan I am and how long I've been a part of the GNR online community. 

I did, sorry

I posted a big lecture, the edited it? :hihi:

People think that because this is the internet that they have the freedom to do and say what they want, where they want.

It's sad people have to be this way

Well. ?Like I said. ?I appreciate that Beta comes here to post and clear the air on lies. ?I am greatful for that because SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT. ?I don't think that was in her job description. ?And I raise my hat to her for that. ?And I did say that she was a bit harsh with Minneapolis but that's just me. ?As for the guy who started the throwing the mic rumour. ?He got what he deserves. ?Those are lies we just don't need. ?If what I said came across as bitching about Beta then I am sorry because that is not my purpose. ?Yes she seems to attack some board members but personally I just don't care. ?Do I want her or someone else to clear the air about album rumours. ?Hell yeah! ?Why because we have been waiting 12 years for that album. ?And we were told 2006 was the year yet we are at Dec 2nd and still no news. ?And that creates rumours. ?And rumours create lies and well we don't want that. ?Does she owe it to us? ?Nope! ?Are we owed an album? ?Well where I come from when you say something you deliver. ?So if I was one of those you were aiming. ?That is my response. ?And just in case you did not get it yet. ?I am appreciative of Beta's time when posting here. ?After all I am sure her schedule is full enough that she don't need to come here.

People's lack of respect for the band, people who work for the band, the band's friends and family and fans who are happy to have an active band is sad.



/jarmo

Not only my post got deleted, but I also got karma... For saying that Beta seemed a bit nervous... : ok:

^ now that's fucked up. :no:

I think you meant hat, not hate  :hihi:

Axl is a human being. He a family member and a friend to alot of people. I think alot of people forget this sometimes

You've earned your negative karma over time.

Accumulated over time.



/jarmo

It's funny how skeptical you are of the mods, but when this guy posts something about why he got Karma, you just instantly believe him and support him.

Funny how later in the post, Jarmo pointed out that in fact it's not the reason why he got the - karma

i wouldn't beleive anyone who uses the name 'Slashead' in the first place  :hihi:

Jim Bob, you are so funny.

Your disrespect against the old band members is so fucking funny.

Then If you see someone saying something "negative" about the current members you're claiming they're idiots and so on. Think about it.

Jarmo,

Since you don't like people who spread lies and false rumors, you should say clearly that I got a karma for saying "Beta seems a bit nervous".

i dont disrespect the old members.   

i disrespect people who disrespect Guns N' Roses and their fans.    Coming to a GNR board and crying for Slash 10 years later day after day, post after post, is disrespectful.   This is 2006, check your calendar.   

me either.

I said this in the other thread but i guess this is the right place to ask this to people.

If you see some knowitall making a gross slander against your family or a close friend, especially when you know that can't be more wrong, you have every right to get furious, don't you think?

whether the slander was meant for a joke or not, it's all the same to you, innit? Or can you still find such a joke funny?

For once put yourself in other's shoe.

Because that's a lie.

You got it because of the things you've done over time. It all ads up.

It's not one thing.




/jarmo

I have always, and always will respect Jarmo's rules. I realize completely that this is HIS board, and I am a guest here. I also do my best to respect other guests here, and also realize that if I don't like it, I should fuck off. I have no business telling Jarmo what to do. But that doesn't mean I won't discuss things I disagree with, in this instance Beta - another guest (albeit a deserving guest of honor)'s reaction to another guest. You can question authority and still respect it. Whether Jarmo decides to take up that discussion is his call. Usually he does, and I respect that too. He could just dismiss my thread, delete it, or anything he wants. Instead he responds and explains. That's great, and I sincerely appreciate him taking the time.

And just to clarify, I think it's really cool that Beta cares enough about Axl and the band to take her own time to post on the board. Her job is clearly more than a job to her, and there is genuine caring involved. So she's not just a GNR employee, she's a GNR fan.

Its just sad to see fans bashing other fans.

I completely agree  :beer:

Jarmo,

I hope you'll never reach a position of great responsability in politics.

It would be dangerous, I think.

Yes I did mean hat and I'll correct that.  Thanks Mysteron.  And I do realise that Axl is a friend to a lot of people and a family member.  And we should all take that to heart.

And on this point I totally agree with you.  Slash left of his own will 10 years ago.  And people should get over it.  The new lineup is the new GNR and we should all accept that.  But maybe their acceptance would be easier if Axl would release the album.  Personally I accept them.  I want CD because I want to be able to hear the music they were able to write as band.

If Paul McCartney hired some random musicians and started touring under the Beatles' logo there would probably people to say that we all should accept it because, you know, it's 2006...

That is totally different.  Why?  Because John Lennon and George Harrison are DEAD!  Now don't get me wrong.  I LOVE the old GNR band.  I' have been a fan since 1987 so I love the original lineup.  But reality is that Slash, Duff and Izzy all left.  THEY LEFT THE BAND!  End of discussion.  They didn't want to be in anymore so they left.  Get over it or just stick to AFD, Lies, UYI 1 & 2 and TSI albums and stop following GNR if you can't get over that fact.

So just because Lennon and Harrison are dead, Paul McCartney has no right to hire some random musicians and tour under the Beatles' name ? Are you kidding me ?
And if a GNR fan isn't sticking to AFD, Lies, UYI 1 & 2 and TSI then what is he sticking to ? Is there something else to stick to ? Even Axl is sticking to AFD, Lies, UYI 1 & 2 and TSI (Down in the Farm).

So what are you talking about ?

What I am talking about is pretty simple.? It is crystal clear if you ask me.? McCartney doesn't solely own the rights to the Beatles name.  Him, Ring, Lennon's widow and Harrison's widow owe the name of the beatles.  Axl owns GNR's name at 100% because Slash, Duff and Izzy gave up their rights to it.  If you can't accept the new lineup and can't get over the fact that this new lineup is GNR now and not the same one as in 1992 then leave.? Stop following them because this is it.? That is one thing that they have made clear since the beginning that GNR is a whole new lineup.? Understand?? Because I will not continue this silly debate anymore.?

CO-SIGN 100 percent.

I think its pretty lame to come on here and talk shit to fans. Dont she have better things to do? Like clip Axl's toenails or get him a sandwich or something?

The guy was stupid sayin the Mic Stand thing but its not like a national media source would troll the board, see that and put it in the news.

Most people here do that on their own with no problem.

Maybe she is sick of reading bullshit posts from people? Also remember that sarcasm is a tough to figure sometimes on a message board, much less with a tad bit of language barrier.

I don't blame her one bit. If somebody who is cracking a jokes gets caught in friendly fire, well, that is just the way it goes.   

I don't entirely agree with you on this.? But her "talking shit to the fans".? GNR and their management must realise something.? We as fans are not just fans.? We are customers.? We buy GNR'S merchandise, concert tickets, albums and so forth.? And when you are in business because wether we like it or not GNR is a business.? You have to appreciate your customers even when you think they are assholes.? You can't just treat em like shit or talk shit to them when you don't like what they say or do and then ask for their business and money afterwards.? And without the fans GNR wouldn't sell merch, albums and tix.? And if they don't sell tix well no promoter will want to have them play and if they can't play they can't make money.? Does it entitle that guy to start a shit rumour like that?? Absolutely not!? But you can clear the air on such rumours while making sure your customers come back.?

You do like your corporate-rock, SLC"PUNK", don't you ? :hihi:

I expect someone in GNR management or in that camp to at least deflect rumors with class and not try to act like a bad ass behind a computer. Doin that just sinks to the level of the members on here doing that.

I got a post deleted..............

This place is starting to feel like Fight Club.


rule number 1. U are not allowed to talk about Fight Club

I can tell you what I don't like.

I disagree.

People deserve back what they put out.

Don't like somebody telling you to fuck off? Don't be a dick.

People think they have the right to come here (and other boards) and say whatever they want about Axl, when they don't know a damn thing. Then the same posters complain about critics who do the same thing, upset about how "unfair" it is to Axl.  ::)

I mean, do you see the hypocrisy here? These same posters who get their panties in a wad about ?how Axl never gets a fair shake from the press?, also talk shit about him all day long. The most ironic thing about all of this is watching rumors start on the message boards and make their way into mainstream media print news. It may be that the people who complain about the unfair press may actually be part of the problem. Ever thought about that?

Imagine that even after you offer an apology, or make an official statement, people turn around and turn it into something else. They don?t accept it, they want it to be what they think it is instead. People wonder why Axl had rarely spoken to the press before, or interacted with fans that often. Well, look at how everybody acts when he does! Why the hell would he want to after that? What he says is irrelevant to some people and that is obvious.

It?s no damn wonder Beta comes on here and tells people to get a life and shut the fuck up. She is right, they should do both.

How bout when the say something true though and it gets deleted for being "negative"...... that isnt fair either.

What they dont realize is, some dumb asses out there probably kick this huge kick out of actually having someone from GNR's team call them names, probably makes them feel special. Axl's assistant called me a name, Alright!  and that fuels others to say even more shit so maybe they will get called out.

I just expect them to be a little more professional when dealing with fans cause it makes her look just as bad coming on here and acting that way.

U can do it in a better way and still get the same point across.

Again, look at the other side: I think the fans should act in a more respectful way, which they sure don't.

You want to talk about respect ? That should be mutual, don't you think ?

Check your PM's, Slcpunk.

Whoop-de-do man. Another third rate story from some third rate security guard. Reminds me of the third rate stories I read from third rate hacks on this board.

And from a message board no less, mygnr........a third rate message board.

That's my point!

I'm sure they do, but sometimes it is beneficial to take the high road.

The bottom line is that Beta is basically acting as a representative of the band and it reflects poorly on both her and the band to stoop to that level. I can understand her frustration, but she needs to learn how to handle it in a more professional manner instead of slinging shit along with them.

Whatever...
The story I sent you is true. It has been reported by several people.

Mygnr a third rate message board ? htgth must be a fifth or sixth rate then... :hihi:

I'm pretty sure that if I used "Adolf Hitler" as nickname, you would be my biggest fan... :hihi:

It's the posters that make a board what it is, so you may be right.

I understand your point.

However when they are a given professional manner (official statements etc) they still act like morons. They should be addressed as such IMO.

Sinking to dumb asses on heres level though makes it worse.

The internet is full of attention whores. People who post fake shit are attention whores. So actually having someone from GNR's camp insult them is the ultimate in attention whoring.

So My point is, she actually may make things worse doing that than better. Most people who create bullshit would be best served by being ignored and banned instead of having someone from GNR's camp stoop to their level thus fueling the ilk of posters who want attention.

Now u will have a hundred carbon copy clones out posting shit just to see if she will respond to them.

You have to remember that Beta has a personal relationship with Axl. So she may often perceive these posts as personal attacks on her friend. How would anybody else here respond to a bombardment of false accusations against somebody they cared about? Would they also take the high road? Or would they be a human being and tell those behind the posts to shove a microphone stand up their ass?

I can understand why she did it, I am just sayin it isnt gonna get back at those people, its only gonna fuel them and make them wanna do more shit like that.

Some people just need to be told to shut the fuck up.

Yep.

what the fuck are you doing here?    you dont like the band.. be gone.  no one will miss you.

the band themselves have just told you they dont want you as a fan and to fuck off.  take a hint, take their advice, find something in your life to be positive about and go like that.

I'm pretty sure Beta would act like a bad ass without the computer as well.



Then please, please do.

My God....


She's not posting as some kind of spokesperson as far as I know. When somebody speaks on behalf of the band, those articles can be found in the news section and on the official site.

She posts as herself. Somebody who happens to work for the band and as somebody who's actually there where the stuff happens in contrast to the many "experts" who aren't.

I'm very grateful that she takes the time to kill some of the stupid shit that people make up. It's not something she has to do.

As SLCPUNK pointed out, maybe after reading post after post of bullshit, you'd react the same way?


It's never good enough for some of you. There's always something to complain about.





/jarmo

Let's start by sticking to the point shall we? Most people are not me, and I don't like them being brought in to my arguments. If they want to be fools, go ahead, I don't care. If you wanna call me a fool, go ahead, just tell it like a man instead of "subtely" disguising it.

Maybe she is sick of all the bullshit? Maybe we all are? Maybe I sometimes get sick of some of my own bullshit? No doubt, there's alot of fuckin' bullshit in the GN'R message board world. With that being said, there are not many of us that want it that way, but it's the only way we have most of the time. Nobody's telling us much, we're fans, so what do we do? We speculate, for better and for worse. That's just the way it is. If somebody wants to change that, fine go ahead, but it's ultimately not on the fans. We can't control ourselves as an entity.

I must say, Jarmo often does a great job with that stuff, some other people however, not so much. Now we're getting to the core of my frustrations very soon. I don't really mind GN'R not telling us anything. I'm used to it, and like some say, I can understand the risk of the press turning everything into bullshit. But I do resent those same people attacking the fanbase for the natural results of that silence. If they, Beta or whomever, wants to come here and clear up some bullshit and rumours for us, that's great, just great. But if they wanna start using condescending articulation and agressive behaviour, then I say leave it be. Cause I know they may not mean all of us, but they should absolutely be the ones to fuckin know that any negative remark against anyone can be turned into a monster. They know, cause they've been there before. And that's why I can't help to sometimes think of their behaviour as patethic and unescessary. That's why I wanna speak my mind about it, without being labeled a whiner and a fool.

Slashead is now banned.

It's obvious he/she was only here to start shit.

I don't care for the stupid games with these so called fans who only come here to start arguments because they're stuck in the past.



Beta is aggressive now? That's amusing, I've been called that too....

Stop reading her posts then.


Maybe it's your goal to have her stop posting?



/jarmo

I understand her doing it, Im only saying I hope it doesnt encourage more attention seekers to do even more of that stuff just to see if they can get a response.

People are like that, the more they know they are getting under someone's skin, the more they will do stuff like that. I just always felt the best way to diffuse attention seekers is to not give them any attention.

hey!
I'm the aggressive one! :D

So Beta comes on the board, reads something that offends her and any reaction is justified. As Jarmo said in another thread, 'she has my permission to post whatever the fuck she wants'.

If any other poster reads something Beta wrote that offends him/her, he/she should pretend they never read it.

At least we know where we stand.

OMG, some of you guys are so dramatic. Jeezus!

Well, if your son is a criminal it wouldn't be the best thing to go around asking the victims what they think of him. Just saying if it's so hard on her, don't come, or atleast don't act on it. You're gonna find GN'R jokes, dig ins, critisism, frustration and pure hate all over the board, nice ones and not so nice ones, it goes along with following a band with this much controversy.

Ok, I see that you don't want Beta posting here.


Is that jealousy? "If she's not posting at our board she sure as hell shouldn't post there either!  :crying: "


She only responds to lies posted by a select few. If those people feel insulted, too fucking bad. You need to learn to take responsibility for your fucking actions. Get it?

If you post made up bullshit about the band or its members, then somebody close to the band gets upset and reacts to it by posting and you find it insulting, then maybe you shouldn't have fucking posted your fairy tales in the first place?

You people want to be able to make jokes about the band but not be held responsible for anything you say.

Well guess what? It doesn't work like that.

So either post your lame fucking jokes and deal with the consequences or shut the fuck up.



It's the same fucking thing when you get banned. You either were joking or I'm a "nazi" for banning an obvious shit starter. It was never your fault, you're the poor victim....  :'(

I don't have time for your kindergarden games.

If you're only here to start shit, you'll have to deal with the consequences of your actions sooner or later.



/jarmo

I agree with you completely. ?I understand why she reacts the way she does, but I don't understand either why she reads it. ?If I were famous, or someone I loved was famous, I would have to stay away from the message boards and celeb blogs. ?It would hurt me too much to read all of the negative things people say. ?I can't speak for Beta or anyone else as to whether they should or should not get involved in this back and forth posting... she should do whatever she feels is best. ?I understand there's the element of wanting to stop the rumors and lies, but in this day with the internet, you're fighting a losing battle. ?It seems like the more you try to shout over everybody with the truth, the more the lies start coming. ?

Yeah, I can't understand why people say you're aggressive either.

Do you need a Kleenex?

I spiced it up a bit to see what you'd say, and you reacted just like I imagined.




/jarmo