Here Today... Gone To Hell!

1/st.louis

2/montreal

3/wich is the other one ???? can you tell me .....

Probably Philly in 2002.

Wasn't there one in Vancouver as well?

NO BECAUSE WHEN SLASH GOT HIS SIGNATURE AMP.....he said the amp that has survive 3 riots....

2 riots in canada ??? you said vancouver

definitly philly, it ended the tour......4 could be vancouver but those first three were all inside .  St. Louis v Montreal could be an interesting discussion.  I was only like 9 when those happened but I think Montreal was more destructive cuz they took to the streets but Axl freaking jumped into the crowd in St. Louis.  Actually I can't recall any footage of Montreal from inside so who knows.  Either way, interesting debate

Vancouver '02, Montreal '92, St. Louis '91, Philly '02

Any videos of these riots (Vancouver 02, and Philly 02)

it took to the streets with cops, guns, billyclubs, dogs and barricades in vancouver....i was right there dudes...musta been 50 cop cars show up. Apparently a million bucks damage to the outside of the building. the building is nestled between two elevated freeways and people were on the freeways throwing traffic signs down below to where we were...it was quite the scene man...

What caused the riots

WoW, thats fukN intense man. Got pics or even better, Vids???

Well, in philly they kept us inside til they could get roughly every single police vehicle (all the shit you see on tv) in the spectrum (the other indoor arena right across from the wach center) parking lot and the cops all came in in riot gear and whatnot-- the parking lot was just a sea of lights--
inside, after sitting through a horrendously long set of Mix Master Mike, everyone sensed something was wrong, and then at about 11 (seems so early now), somebody from the crew came onstage to take something off and got nailed with a beer from the upper deck, and it was on.  I didn't think it was nearly as bad as it could've been, although a couple minor fires broke out, the new multi-million dollar soundboard was ruined, and the floor was generally really messed up.  We had seats first row on what was buckethead's side, right off the side of the stage, and the couple next to us was talking all night about being from Rhode Island, and at about 9:45, the usher turned to them and said something along the lines of "If you want to get out of here alive, leave now."  We thought he was BSing, but how wrong we were. 

Dude! I was literally right behind you! I had 2nd row on BH's side. I got into a fistfight with some asshole walking through my row and stepping on my stuff,yelling over and over "It's not gonna happen!". For all I know,that was YOU!? :hihi:

Security grabbed us but,didn't toss either of us out. The one guard says to me,"It'd be better if you just left" and thats's when I realized that the show wasn't gonna happen. Security LIVES for the chance to hog tie you and fuck you up along the way as your "escorted" out and when that didn't happen,I knew that THEY knew something was up.

I went over to my friends,who'd been walking around on the floor and I told 'em what happened. That's when beer started to get thrown from the upper deck,which progressed into chairs and later on a Christmas tree.? We left the arena as a swarm of cops were coming into the lot and I taped all of the coverage from local T.V. and cable news.
I don't think there's any video available but,I saw the day after photos and the place was fuckin' TRASHED. And yeah,the million dollar soundboard,one of like 6 in the world,was destroyed completely.

It's actually kinda cool to say that you were in a Guns N' Roses riot. It's like a fuckin' badge of honor. When it was happening,we were amazed that this was goin' down right in front of us and we were part of it.
One thing I didn't get that night that I wanted was a t-shirt they were selling ('cause everything was closed down as we left) that said "I SURVIVED FIRST UNION CENTER".....which became a reality.

? ? MATT

P.S.- If anyone has the aforementioned t-shirt,I'd love to buy it!

are you joking?

my fav hockey team plays in that arena! i remember i had a real nice overhead picture of what it looked like after the riot, give me some time, maybe ill find it

(http://mygnr.com/bootleg/2002/North_American_Tour/Philadelphia/Philadelphia_Riot_1.jpg)

(http://mygnr.com/bootleg/2002/North_American_Tour/Philadelphia/Philadelphia_Riot_2.jpg)

(http://mygnr.com/bootleg/2002/North_American_Tour/Philadelphia/Philadelphia_Riot_3.jpg)

(http://mygnr.com/bootleg/2002/North_American_Tour/Philadelphia/Philadelphia_Riot_4.jpg)

there used to be some nice videos of the fans rioting at Van-city at the van police site, but its all gone i think

sweet, I have the first 2 pics on my comp, but not those bottom 2.

Ah the Philly riot, great memories.

uhh...are you new? Axl freaking  Rose caused the riot.

I miss the St. Louis sucks shirt  :'(

on the above photos - are the seats on the floor (GA) ripped from the surrounding seats and thrown down - or were there seats on the floor that got ripped up and trashed there?  just curious.... amazing that no-one got seriously injured (at least i hope they didnt, I cant remember that they did)

Haha, good find on the pics. I was right by the soundboard seated at about the left of the 3rd pic. They were "fold-up' seats. Like you'd see in a gymnasium. Essentially there were about 30 or 40 guys standing around, just throwing them at the soundboard talking, laughing, joking around. I wasn't one of them ( ::) :-X ) just there. Anyway, it wasn't "dangerous" as the floor cleared out for the most part. I read in the paper there was some damage to the actual arena's seats, but that's not primarily what you're seeing in the pictures. Yeah, the cops were outside in riot gear, which was cool to see, but they were more in prevention mode, we walked right by them & I remember patting one on the shoulder and said... welll I probably shouldn't repeat what I said being that this is a GnR fansite :-X.

Overall, although I wasn't at Vancouver, I'd have to say that was probably worse (fires?!!) as Philly really wasn't that bad.

cheers for the reply dude.  Someone next to me was predicting a riot and how he wanted to get right into it when we were waiting at Docklands, london 02 gig for gnR to start.  I dont remember them starting very late though, def before 10pm.  wanker. (as in the c*** who wanted to start the riot - what a total nob-end).

no his shit head fans caused the riot.


i'm allowed to say it, i was one of them in philly... but we totally were at fault, we're the ones that fucked up the soundboard and broke all the chairs and fought each other (and i think caused a few fires).

who cares if the soundboard broke?? ?



not me.? ?

no no the point is WE were the guilty ones, not axl.


i mean yeah it was weak as hell not showing up for your own concert and we had every goddamn right to be pissed, but we definetly did everything.

Axl shows, no riot. he caused it, plain and simple. For vancouver, is it not reasonable to expect him to BE IN THE COUNTRY when the show is scheduled to start? he can blame the venue, the promoter, the security, the fans, whomever....bottom line: he shows up, there's no riot. he caused the riot in St Louis, Philly and was the cause of it in Montreal, tho he can somehwat be given the benefit of the doubt there.

no axl doesn't show up and every gets pissed and vocalizes how much they hate him or whatever.

it's fans who made the conscious choice to deal with their anger by ripping apart chairs and smashing the soundboard, rather than in a responsible way.

Axl caused people to be disappointed and pissed, but it's the fans that took their anger and went apeshit.

Riots: St. Louis, Montreal, Vancouver, Philadelphia, and Bogota.

"1992 Colombian authorities banned huge rock concerts following a riot after a Guns n' Roses show in Bogota. Twenty people were hurt after about 1,500 people, most of whom could not get tickets for the concert, fought police, smashed cars and looted stores."

I would say in this order,

Montreal
St. Louis
Philadelphia

Sucks that they had to happen. 

I was under the impression that the Vancouver venue suffered more material damage than the one in Philly.

Not to undermine the Philly incident (hate it when that happens), was just curious.

Surely i'm not the only one that would make off with as much stuff as possible from the arena, right?


 :hihi:

 Sorry to break it to ya,but Bogota doesn't count. That show went on and those people acted out as a result afterward. It'd be different if Axl didn't show but,he did and those folks got shut out. The following riots were because NO show (or not much of one) happened. It's really 4 famous riots.

? GN'R Riots to date so far:

? ? ? ?St. Louis - 1991

? ? ? ?Montreal - 1992

? ? ? ?Vancouver - 2002

? ? ? ?Philly - 2002

Personally,I was amazed in 2002 when Vancouver and Philly happened.? No other band EVER is capable of having fans who are...um..."passionate" enough to want to destroy everything in sight,due to a no-show,especially when no album had been released (and still isn't,natch) and they hadn't toured in several years.?
 
 That's loyalty brother.?:yes:? Misguided loyalty,maybe.....but,it's loyalty nonetheless. No other band can incite a fanbase to be SO fuckin' disappointed in a no-show that you wanna take it out on anything or anyone in sight including a cop with mace and a baton. Ya don't get that kind of following from?U2 fans!? :hihi:

Btw,go to Yahoo search and type in "cancel show" and Gn'R is 2nd.

? ? MATT

as fans of a guy who has repeatedly done that, we have no other recourse but to bring shit on him in one way or another...what are we gonna do? call in to the radio and bitch? ooh, get angry on the internetz? the only way he gets any message, and he didn't seem to pick up on it, is to cause shit and have the repercussions, whatever they may be, fall on him. i didn't do anything in the vancouver riot, but i paid 300 bucks to get out there and don't get that back, so what other recourse do i, or others in the same situation, have? so what if the building gets wrecked? they have insurance, but if Axl's chances at other tours get fucked up, causing him to, god forbid, have some respect for his fans, then it's worth whatever happened.

No because they never let anyone inside in Vancouver. They found out Axl was late and locked the doors. The venue only suffered minor damage - some broken windows and such.

if you read the fourth post the guy wanted to know which riots slash was talking about when he said his amps had survived 3 riots.

so philly and vancouver wouldn't be riots slash's amps survived would they.

No because they never let anyone inside in Vancouver. They found out Axl was late and locked the doors. The venue only suffered minor damage - some broken windows and such.

vancouver made philly look like a walk in the park Vancouver was fucking crazy i was there and it was a fucking crazy situation, philly was pretty much "lets pile up these fold up chairs on the sound board" BIG DEAL the only reason that philly is even talked about is because guns did not tour after that and thats it.

dude philly was way worse than that, i was there... people were fucking everything up.

oh dude i agree get pissed and smash shit, hell i did in philly.  But it was your conscience decision to fuck up the venue (or city streets) like it was mine.  Axl deserves any anger sent towards him, but axl is the cause of the fan's disappointment.  Drunk and angry fans are the cause of the damage.  He cancelled last minute in Maine, which wasn't exactly the same as vancouver but it's damn near the same and those guys didn't riot, but they sure as hell were pissed and were all over the news.

You're not breaking anything to me. A riot is a riot. I wasn't commenting on the reason for it, just stating that it was another riot at a GNR show. Doesn't matter that the show went on.

GNR Riots: Montreal, Vancouver, Philly, St. Louis, Bogota. The reasons for them don't matter. And it has nothing to do with "passionate" fans. The fans in Vancouver, and you can quote me on this, were fuckheads who rioted because the band has a history of riots and they thought it would be "cool" to fuck shit up when the show was cancelled. It wasn't a case of the show already being started, like St. Louis, Montreal, or Philly, or even Bogota where people couldn't get tickets - Vancouver was a case of a) moron venue manager refusing to let the show run late (lol, go look at how late shows are going THIS tour. Axl still would have been offstage at 2am in 2002 had the venue manager not shut things down) and b) idiot fans following the "rioting tradition."

as fans of a guy who has repeatedly done that, we have no other recourse but to bring shit on him in one way or another...what are we gonna do? call in to the radio and bitch? ooh, get angry on the internetz? the only way he gets any message, and he didn't seem to pick up on it, is to cause shit and have the repercussions, whatever they may be, fall on him. i didn't do anything in the vancouver riot, but i paid 300 bucks to get out there and don't get that back, so what other recourse do i, or others in the same situation, have? so what if the building gets wrecked? they have insurance, but if Axl's chances at other tours get fucked up, causing him to, god forbid, have some respect for his fans, then it's worth whatever happened.


Dude that's ridiculous. I'm sorry, but trying to get a message to axl rose is NOT a good reason for a riot. A cancelled concert, is NOT a good reason for a riot. If you feel disrespected by the guy then fine, don't support him - but wanting to fuck up his future chances at touring - what kind of sick fan feelings are that?
I understand anger and i understand acting on it - but because a rock band hasn't showed to their concert?
Trust me, most people reading the news just figure a bunch of drunken idiots got sweapt up in mass mentality and got out of control. Nobody respects it, and Axl doesn't say "damn, they rioted because of me! i really should respect these guys more."

you dont know much about philly then when it comes to them and their craziness towards any sports team or group

 Really?!? I don't know much about Philly's craziness?!? I'm only fuckin' FROM here,dumbass. I am that guy from the 700 level. Don't tell me shit. I know we're fuckin' crazy and I'm proud of it. I'm well aware of Philly's reputation and I've helped add to it over the years.
My post was referring to GUNS fans (as you'll notice I mentioned Vancouver in the same sentence!) overall,NOT about Philly as a whole. I was amazed when the riot was occurring,(ya don't see that everyday)but,I didn't say I didn't see it coming. There's a difference. The loyalty was about GN'R fans who can get riled up enough to do that. Add Philly to that recipe and..bingo! Shit went down.

And to that douche who said it was no "big deal",you obviously weren't there. The chairs around the soundboard were after the fact. The board was destroyed by that point and they gathered the rest of them there later. Ever see a chair come flying from the 3rd tier all the way to the stage in the Wacho Center?!? And not the folding kind,I'm talking about seats TORN the fuck OUT of the floor. How about seeing one of those concrete trashcans outside thrown through someone's windshield?!? Maybe you experience that all the time...I dunno.
Or the fact that the female workers in the bldg. were brought out first because rape had been threatened. Now,no one is condoning that but,Philly wasn't a fuckin' "walk in the park" and it could've been a whole lot worse than what it was. I think it probably would've if they hadn't cut off beer sales early on.
The Wacho Center/Comcast tried to downplay what happened,not for Guns' sake,but because they felt embarrassed and had to calm people's concerns/fears that the place wasn't gonna be ready for a Sixers game the next day. They literally said that "everyone left in an orderly fashion and only a few chairs had got ruined". Fuckin' puhlease.

 And "kyrie",Bogota don't count. No matter how much you want it to. And I don't think Vancouver fans rioted because the thought it was "cool." The were pissed off beyond words 'cause Axl canceled on them 10 years earlier...so they felt robbed again of seeing an awesome show. They chose to vent that feeling on the venue. I'm pretty sure they weren't thinking "Ya know,it'd be kinda cool to start a riot like in other cities." They went nuts 'cause they were so close,and they were disappointed yet again. End of story.

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? ? ? ? ? ? MATT

Wrong. On both counts. First, the reason for the riot does not matter. It's still a GNR riot. For proof, go look on Google news. That riot bit turned up yesterday in papers because it was the anniversary of the riot. So the press and general public clearly count it. The fact that you don't because they still went and played is pretty meaningless. It still happened.

People rush the stage at a Who concert - well the band didn't cause that, but they still get saddled with it. Same goes here.

See, what you don't get is that from the outside, people just see the name GNR and think riot. That's exactly what happened in Vancouver. It would happen anywhere. I've heard so many people (most half drunk) at GNR shows - of which I've been to 4 - saying "If they don't show, I'm fucking shit up."

Bands cancel shows all the time. Some just as last minute. But it's just one band where a certain sub-section of people - generally the drunken mullet types who bitch and moan about Axl's behavior on Metal Sludge - fuck things up.

In Vancouver, the doors hadn't even opened. There's no excuse.