Here Today... Gone To Hell!

IMO TWAT should be the first single. Its mind blowingingly brilliant. Its better than NR and Estranged. It would goto straight to No.1
GNR have gone to a new musical level. "lonely tear drops are calling me" - awsome stuff


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I would go as far as saying its better than NR and Estranger, but it's up there.  I would love TWAT to be the single over IRS

Listen to again! It keeps getting better with every listen!

Trust me, I love love love TWAT.  But NR is a great great song.  I'm pretty sure that if I heard TWAT studio version, I would push it up to that level.  But right now as a rough copy, its fantastic, but no NR, yet. 

Cool, its so complex. Is this a demo version? A proper version is going to be mind blowing

If TWAT is the first single, CD is dead on arrival. You dont reintroduce yourselves to the masses with something like that. Better is clearly the best choice so far. Its a catchy little pop song, and is the perfect vehicle to help launch CD into the stratosphere.

better would be the better first single, no pun intended

That's what I was thinking.
It's most likely shorter,It rocks pretty hard and considering Guns were known as a Hard Rock band,what better(no pun intended)song then Better to use?

No, songs like this should never be the first single. GN'R did this with It's So Easy and You Could Be Mine. It can be second or third but not first. The first single should rock out with an edge that catches your attention with hooks and implemented melodies in order to avoid alienating audiences too much at first while giving a wide range of age groups a punch in the face with a differentiation in impact.

Ok by popular concenus, TWAT should not be the first single!

'Better' would do better a first single...

Although, the first single could have already been picked as well. It's possible that it's going to be a new, unknown track. (for us)

make better the first single

Its nothing compared to Estranged and its not as good as November Rain. Its an ok song, maybe a single but defo not the 1st single. I recon Better should the 1st single outta the 3 songs.


 :peace:

better then NR n estranged... Where can I buy some of that good smoke... :hihi:

Prostitute will be the 1st single.

Have you turned into a fake insider? :hihi:

people wait for the real version to judge it.....especially if you don`t like it yet

No dude; Silkworms will be the first single. :peace:

From what we heard it has to be 'Better'.. I think 'T.W.A.T' will come later as a single.

I agree - I would make 'Better' the first single, and the Blues the 2nd

better better be the 1sr single  :peace:

Better better what it better do what now? ;D

It just can't be Better....this song is too awesome !

better is the best choice for a first single. all fans will love it,
and new people who don't know guns n'roses will love it too.

the intro is original for a guns n'roses song, it's modern, and it kicks ass.

I agree.

I like TWAT as well, but it's 6 minute song with orchestation. It could work as a third or 4th single, but GNR needs something short and catchy. Out of the three songs, Better gets my vote so far.

just because someone has an opinion that this band has a better song than your precoius fucking old band doesn't mean they are smoking anything.   your responses are so predictable.

staying on topic.. i agree that TWAT would makea better 2nd single than 1st single.  Better however I can see as the first single.

Three things regarding this very early, experimental TWAT leak:
a) this is pure demo--it's sounds finished, but it's not even close--this might be version12 of 50.
b) in the state we see it, it would not make the album
c) This is not what the new GNR need's people to be hearing right now (the masses), it would be counterproductive.

I think the first single needs to be a WTTJ or YCBM type song.  A real in your face, kick ass, attitude blazing rocker.  The kind where any video has Axl running around...A LOT! haha. 

That being said, my vote would be for Chinese Democracy or IRS (If Axl amps it up somehow - not in current demo form)

I know a lot of people have thought BETTER would make a great single...I don't know it just doesn't "rock" for me.  Good tune, but more like a 3rd or 4th single in my opinion.

The lyrics on TWAT are probably Axl's best ever.  Vocal melodies are awesome.  I can't wait to hear a completed and totally clean version of it.  I think it should be a single, but remember that six minute songs are rarely hits.  But you know what?  They said that November Rain and Bohemian Rhapsody were too long to be singles too

I think this would be a smart song to release because it shows that GnR is still unparalleled when it comes to making epic rock songs

1st single Better with i.r.s and t.w.a.t as b sides and the artwork for the single is the bird in the leather suit eh what do you think. Not my idea read it on mygnr i personaly dont think so just thought it would be good to see comments

Do you not think it's a bit daft saying what you think should be the first single considering we havn't even heard the album yet. . . . apart from live versions and demos (which probably won't sound like they do on the album) and even then there is still half the album we havn't heard in any form.

twat could be a great second single if they change the chorus......it sounds all over the place. (yes, most probably cause it's a demo, I know) seems too much distortion....so I hope the chorus gets changed a bit......it's the only thing I dislike about it. Or is it just me???? The lyrics are great by the way!!! The general idea is awesome!!? : ok:

And before meself forgets: this demo is probably from 2002 / 2003? were in 2006......axl could have changed it 1000 times already...... I'm sure the studio version will be mindblowing..

TWAT is the only leak i havnt heard.......can someone just tell me what its like???

As much as id love ta hear it  im not fussed, i THINK i can be patient :hihi:

Sorry but I don't think TWAT is quite up there for a single.

It's like Locomotive.. will achieve GN'R cult status but just isn't for the radio.

i'm waiting for catcher in the rye i heard a while ago that would be the first single.
TWAT will sound great when its finished

twat is a too difficult song to be a single. it is too elaborated....when picking a song to be a single you have to consider the fact that it will be heard by not just gnr fans. it will be played on radio stations and tv, so it should be something "digestible"... Better is a much better choice considering this fact

If it is going to be a single, I personally think the songs needs some editing. I was ready for it to be over at 4:30. I love the song and love long GN'R epics like Coma etc. but just thing song needed to end a good minute to a minute and a half earlier I think. The solo is AMAZING though. If it's a not to be a single it would make an amazing epic to finish the album with just how it is though.

it may change and they may lose that extra minute ur talking about so i guess all will be revealed as soon as we get the finished product.

It could be a good single. The chorus should be more powerful though (It's time to bring back the orcesthra, Ax.  :P)

Anyone care to take a stab at what the first single will/should be?

There Was A Time
IRS
The Blues
Madagascar
Better
Chinese Democracy

Something else? Personally Madagascar is still my favorite track, though an improved TWAT could be good. IRS has had a lot of radio play from the leak so I'm not sure we need to see it as a single.

From MyGNR (insert gripes here, now, move on):

"Just talked to a buddy of mine who is a DJ for a rock station here in Florida. He's always asking me for "insider" info on wrestling whenever we chat (he's a huge wrestling fan and I work in the wrestling business). Anyway, I figured I'd turn the tables on him for once and asked what he'd been hearing about Chinese Democracy if anything. He said his station was promised to be one of the first to receive the new GNR single if they resisted playing IRS. He confirmed that Prostitute is expected to be the single and that it's scheduled to go for adds the first week of April, but that stations that didn't play IRS would probably get it a week earlier. He also said he'd heard that the album drops the first week of June, which is interesting because I saw June 6 mentioned here on the board, but then it vanished. I was hoping the album would be out sooner, but at this point, what's another couple months?"

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=26131.0

yes yes I saw that after. Still curious on people's opinion though, and that thread really doesn't cover said topic.

Prostitute

perfect title for a GnR single.

It is.. and a 6/6/06 is a hell of a release date.  : ok:

epic's like TWAT are not first single material

BETTER should be the first single....TWAT later 3rd single maybe would work

My wife and I have another surprise which may drop on that day too.

The Better love needs to end. Its not going to be the first single. Id rather hear a new song anyway... And Prostitute SOUNDS like a GnR song.

Awesome!   :beer:
  D-Day!  Time to storm the fuckin beaches at Normandy!  ...Video lead-in...asshole reporters waiting in fortifications on the high-ground blasting off machine gun rounds at the new ship GNR as it comes ashore to free the rock world from other shitty music.  8)

not to mention fantastic lyrics!........."Better" should indeed be the first single!

I love TWAT but I don't think it should be the first single.

Of the songs I've heard, I'd go with "Better." Remember that the Illusion albums kicked off w/ "Don't Cry." If you don't count KOHD and YCBM from previous soundtracks.

yea, i'd also go for better or irs as first single. twat is too complicated for the masses as a first single.

better

How do you people feel so strongly about Better as the first single when you haven't heard the whole album? Better could be one of the bottom tier songs.. Who knows..

One of Axl's favourites though... ;)

Doesn't mean its the best. I want a fresh song. And I think thats what we will get. Better is too far from the GnR sound to be the FIRST single.. Maybe a single but not the first. And that article said it was .. They could just ran wit some titles he said.

CIVIL WAR was also released long before UYI, Romanian Children Relief record

Don't forget Civil War was out before Don't Cry too :yes: (and it's a long "complicated" song for radio) (Damn RichardNixon Beat me too :rant: :hihi: )

And we don't even know how better ends!!! How can you possibly judge it!! I know what we've heard so far is cool, but, personally, I need the whole picture before I can Judge the song. And we have no idea what other songs will be on the CD or what they sound like. (just like BLS-Pride said)

From the stuff we've heard, I think "The Blues" might make it to be the first single just cuz it's closest to the UYI GnR that everyone fell in love with. Think about it from a general public standpoint.

(Thoughts from random joe blow listening to the radio sometime in the future, "Wow, GnR does that new song The Blues...Cool!!! They still sound like they did on UYI's!!! I'm gonna buy the CD!" Flawless strategy if they want easy record sales IMO.)

Don't you think Axl decides what the first single will be, my guess is he picks the song HE thinks is best... :P

And he may not have wanted to give away others.. Or the interview didn't post the others. Dont buy into his favorite too much.

I'm just fucking with you! ;D   Bottom line is, we don't have any clue until a statement has been made... But if I were to guess, I'll go for "Better" because it was mentioned as one of the favourites.

I'd go with a Big Gun which hasn't been talked about. Eh to each their own.. Lets jus hope we get something.

If they release Better as the first single, they better change the intro....that aweful sounding guitar work will kill them with non-hard core fans.  It just doesn't sound like music.  The rest of the song is great though.

Congrats on a job well done ?: ok: ?Get ready for the ?:crying: ?:drool: whilst you're listening to ur copy of Chinese Democracy. ?:hihi:

With the media labeling "Better" as Emo I'd be shocked if its the first single.  IF IF IF these leaks WERE intentional, I think it was to gauge the feedback from DJs and critics....we had a longer, more melodic "older" sounding song in TWAT, a classic GNR sound rocker in IRS and a more "modern" song in Better.  These were three very different songs - its like their own little poll to see what people think of the GNR sound today.

All that being said, whether you agree with the EMO label or not, thats what people are labeling it and I don't think thats how GNR wants to be known.

My thoughts EXACTLY.  :beer:

Madison from GNR knows the name of the first single...Axl Told her backstage in 2002.  But she won't say what it is...But said that it is not 'Better', 'twat', or Irs, or madagascar or the blues.....

Pass the salt please...

Madison doesn't know shit.

Don't know about that she seems pretty legit too me...but 2002 was 4 years ago, the intended 1st single could've changed a dozen times

Then again it might not have

Axl Rose telling a fan the first single? C'mon now.. Really.

I just hope it's something that grabs a decent fan-base for the band.. i could give a rip if it fits my own taste or opinion.

'Better all the Way'

The chorus is the ultimate hook for a radio friendly single : ok:

!!!!!!!!!!!

There are all kinds of stories like that. From reports Axl seems more forthcoming with average fans than with media. We don't know, so we can remain skeptical but it's hard to rule out something.

I made fun of that wes guy at first when he first posted that he had the tracks, then tried to help him when he remain adamant about them.
The next morning I had a PM from him. I was like ?:o (Holy Fuck I feel like an ass now!! ?:hihi: I promptly thanked him and apologized profusely)

I'm never jumping the gun again on knowledge (whether it comes from a Newbie or a Veteran) :peace:

Yous really think that intro will kill them with non-hardcore fans?  ::) Since when have average music listeners cared about guitar work in music? Not since the 80's for sure.

The intro is catchy and will intrest new fans for sure. The only people who will be aliented by the intro are the old fans/axl haters.

   -jack

TWAT straight to number one? Not a chance in hell. The song is way too complex and asks alot from the listener. It'd be like releasing Estranged as a lead single. It'd be a terrible choice. The obvious choice from what we've heard would be Better. It's listener freindly and Axl's voice is so damn familiar. Better would have the same impact as a lead single that Vertigo did. And wheather you liked Vertigo or not is irrelevant. Fact is it was a massive hit. Better would have the same results.  Axl has been away for far too long to release somthing that demands attention from the listener. Better simply kicks your ass with a catchy strong guitar riff and wicked vocals. Simply as that.

Please share this with Jameslofton, ?i think he's perfected the bash first and ask questions later. ?Maybe he could learn from this ? ;D

First single - must be a rocker - soothe some of the old head bangers- would have chosen IRS but it's been heard too much

Second single - go for the pop/new sound ?- better

Third single - go for the ballad/orchestra get the girlies - twat

I actually like the intro now that I know the lyrics being sung durring it. It makes a big difference.

It kinda bums me out that a lot of people on here think Axl SHOULD cater to the average music listener in todays music scene or about getting new fans.....screw that, what about the CURRENT fans.  I think if people didn't care about guitar work in music then songs from bands like zeppelin, metallica, U2 and gnr still wouldn't still be popular today. 

I don't want CD to appeal to "new" fans.  He should just write some GOOD music and the rest will follow.  I'm not pointing out anyone in particular here by any means, but a lot of posts on here sound like they are from business execs trying to figure out which song will make the most money or something and get the most radio play and stuff.

GNR is rock.  pure, hard core rock, even the slower more melodic songs still rock (SCOM, NR).  Since when has GNR ever been described as having a "pop sound" or "catchy lyrics" -- shit better is even being described as "EMO"!!.   I just don't get it.  But as I've said before, I seem to be in the minority here. 

I hate to break this to ya but the whole point of a single is to gain exposure and for the most part bands release songs as single which they feel will appeal to  the most people. The more people a single appeals to the more peoplel who are likely to buy the album and discover the other side of the band. I also hate to break it to you but Gn'R is a pop band. SCOM, Don't Cry, November Rain, Yesterdays,  Even paradise City is a pop song. These are pop songs in the rock genre.

I'll give you the first one, but lets agree to disagree about GNR being a pop band :)  Curious to hear what other people have to say about that. 

I guess the point I was trying to make is Better to me seems like an average song you'd hear on the radio today.  Its a "safe" choice.  Maybe its a personal thing for me...I want a rocker to be the first single and give a big jolt to the modern rock community, to say, "wake up, this is the new standard"...kinda like they did when AFD came out.  I see CD as a rebirth of rock....Better doesn't do that for me.

Imagine you hear the intro to better at a concert, does it get you pyched the way the guitar intros to SCOM or WTTJ does?  Does it get you fired up the way the drums to YCBM do?  Or the bass to Its so Easy?  Can you yell "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE FUCK YOU ARE!" before playing better? ;)

I like the intro to Chinese Democracy and I think IRS could have a cool one if the intro of the heavy electric guitars is reworked a bit.  But i'm not in the studio so what the F do I know  :-X

What the fuck does that mean? Take that kind of shit to PMs. Instead of asking him to share it, YOU share it. By PM.

O.k. I hear ya. You're right. The power chords in the song are pretty standard as far as modern rock radio goes today. That's all the new bands who are on radio seem to know how to do. U2's Vertigo took heat for that too. People complained that the riff was cheesy and lazy. I guess the same thing could be said for Better. the difference though with Vertigo and Better is, in my opinion the melody saves it from being a lame power chord riff. there's pop to it(I don't mean pop as in style) and it grabs your attention right off. ?As for Gn'R being a pop band well.... yes and no. I guess it all depends on what we consider pop. I mean I love U2 but they aren't a cheesy pop band yet on the other hand they're totally a pop band. Same goes with Guns. They are a kick ass hard rock band but on the other side they have an element of pop to what they do. You know with melody and lyrics(not all) and love songs. I don't look at it as a bad thing and like I said I guess it all comes down to how we define pop. It's hard to define. :beer:

I miss the atitude.  The kick in the balls you get when listening to Axl scream or hear a Slash riff.  :'(

As far as TWAT goes, it's no where near as good as estranged for sure, close to november rain though. I just can't get into the chorus at all, that "it's been a long time for you, it's been a long time for me, it's been a long time for everyone" , I don't like the way he sings it in my opinion. As far as singles go, I don't know. I had 2 friends listen to IRS, Better, and TWAT, and they said they were alright, not good, not great, not awesome, but just alright. ?I love Better, and I think TWAT would be awsome if he sang the chorus different, but I can live without IRS. I'm just going to wait till I get the album, and see what song I like the best, and hopefully that'll be the single lol.  Oh yeah, and in TWAT, it sounds just like Queensryche right after the second chorus.

I think its intresting you don't like the chorus.. and yet its my favorite part in the song. Good times. Haha.. poor Axl.. you have to please everyone!

Cool...now i TOTALLY agree with you  :peace:  especially your U2 comments.  I've heard U2 take a lot of heat for reverting back to their "older" sound, but I think the singles off of the latest disc still sound like U2, but with a modern flavor....but they still haven't lost the sound that makes them U2.  I don't mind a modern sound from Guns, but stay true to what you are is all I ask from them.  I think U2 went back to a tried and true sound with a slight twist (funny how they are considered the biggest rock band out now after they did that you know) and I hope Guns does the same on this disc.  A little experimentation is ok, but I hope there are less my worlds/Oh My Gods and more WTTJ/SCOM.  Either way, it was nice doing business with ya! ;) haha : ok:

I think skynard girl can help you with that  :hihi:

I know what you mean though, I want this album to fuck me up when I first listen to it. 

Couldn't the first single be Chinese Democracy, the song ? Anytime a DJ would announce it, he would also plug the album...

If I was going by commercial thoughts, I'd go for "Better" because from what we've heard, it's catchy as hell.

But if had a choice (lol) I would pick "Twat", best lyrics since a long time, and the music :yes:

Can't wait to hear a proper studio version, and for the guys to play it live.

TWAT to me is a fans song, ala Estranged

First single has got to be Better or Chinese Democracy (from what we've heard)

Both are punchy and more importantly have the immediacy required of a comeback single much like YCMB did all those years ago

Second single go with the Blues

I agree that TWAT will be a fans song like Estranged, Breakdown, Locomotive etc..

Better has the potential but my gut feeling is that the first single will be something we've never heard before.

Chinese Democracy? Well it may sound a lot different to what we heard in 01 and 02, I have a feeling it will.

As I said it may well be something we've yet to hear.

Just like i can't understand why people listen to generally what is on mtv thesedays, i'm never gonna understand why a person likes the new leaked ones better then nv and estranged.Anyway, i think popularitywise starting off with a kickass fast rock song is better.GreenDay followed a pretty good strategy by releasing american idiot first and then b.o.b.d..
I personally would like gn'r to not shoot any videos even if this shuts the way of taking over the world again.Pearl jam didn't shoot any vids for a couple of years and i thought that was really cool.İt gives the statement that they r all about the music.I'm telling this here cause usually a single is released with a clip.just the new album would be brillant.
İsn't that what we, the hardcore fans, really want.I wouldn't mind if stupid MTV wouldn't even mention them ever again.

First of all you haven't heard the rest of the album. It could have a HUGE bomb ready to explode...

Second, you haven't heard the rest of BETTER. So you can't judge it properly.

Third, the single could be from the Da Vinci Code OST. Ask yourselves, does Better or TWAT or IRS or The Blues have anything to do with that movie? If you ask me, I'd say no...

But it could also have nothing to do with the movie...

All we can do is wait and see. You can't predict or choose from something you haven't heard yet.

I have a feeling (not a theory, just a feeling) that the single will be some track we just haven't heard yet, period.  It will have to be something that demonstrates a transition from 'old Guns' to 'new Guns' in the span of 4-5 minutes.  I'm not quite sure how they'll pull that off - but I have full faith in their ability to.

-darknemus

Oh, BTW, a song has already been announced for the Davinci OST:

"Celice"
Performed by A-ha
Words by Magne Furuholmen
Music by Magne Furuholmen & Martin Terefe
Universal Music GmbH


As you can see it's Universal... So, it could happen...

A-Ha?  Where the hell have they been?  Wonder if the next track announced will be a new Bananarama exclusive ;)

-darknemus

Then we sit tight for a Wham reunion...........

A-Ha are doing pretty good in Europe. And they also played at Live 8.

Oh, and don't forget, people could be asking the same about GN'R...


Unfortunately it's the truth...

Valid point, Christos.  Unless, of course, they began asking that question last Thursday or Friday  :hihi:

-darknemus

Easy...the new single will be Sweet Child from Big Daddy. ?Seriously though, I agree that it'll be something we haven't heard yet. ?It'd make more sense. ?But who knows with the mysterious Axl?

Well, even if they haven't asked that question yet, they will soon...

Whatever the song is, I just hope its full of attitude, big guitars, sick solos, cool transitions, a killer outro and tons of Axl yelling little snippets like "LOOK OUT" or "SHOVE IT" or "HUUUUGHHH" 

I wanna hear this song and fall off my chair.  I want people to hear it on the radio while driving and get into car accidents.  I want to hear old ladies humming it on the subway and little kids writing the lyrics on the trapper keepers and telling their teachers to "FUCK OFF"!!! hahaha

 :peace:

'Better' should definitely be a single. It's such an awesome and beautiful song. I can't stop listening to it.

Well done!
 :beer:

I humbly submit that it is no longer necessary to say: "no pun intended" each time someone says "Better is better than... X" or "Better would be a better single than... X". :confused:

Better would be a better 1st single than TWAT IMHO. TWAT is brilliant but will likely be lost on people that haven't been following the Axl Rose saga as closely as we have the last 13 years... it's too complex and paints with too broad a brush... he needs a "catchy" (not even necessarily a rocker) radio friendly hit right out of the gate that will be in heavy rotation. That's the kind of thing that will get the media on the bandwagon... THEN he'll have the chance to showcase his longer masterpieces.

I don't think any of these tracks will be the first single. If any of the newly leaked stuff...I think it would be 'Better'. You guys forget that these are only 3 tracks off the cd.. and there all pretty damn good...so who knows what else is on there.. There is probably something else. Mind you, I just heard the full version of 'Better' and it doesnt' even sound like a demo.. It sounds pretty damn complete... So maybe...

TWAT is too long to be a single.

It does not matter if Better is not the best song on CD.  It will make for a great first single to reach many musical tastes.

You can play that thing is dance clubs.

Close your eyes while listening to Better and picture Axl singing to this song on an awards show.  It will rock the house.

I absolutely hate this. It's the Britnification of modern music. Actually it was going on long before her.

It used to be, five minutes was ok for a single. Then it dropped down to four. Now what is it, like 3:30 songs from crappy wannabe punk bands?

It's as if the industry decided they needed short songs to get as much airplay as possible to prop up their artists.

Look where it got them.

November Rain was a LONG song, and it was GNR's biggest single. Tool does all kinds of epic songs, have great popularity, although they aren't really radio-friendly.

Metallica, before they turned to crap/sold out/stabbed all their fans in the back, had really long runtimes...

If the song is strong enough, let it run 5+ mins.

^^^ I don't get that either...if a song kicks ass it kicks ass.  I guess radio is thinking if you know a song is 5+ mins and you don't happen to like it, you are going to switch...whereas if you tune in at the middle of a 3:30 song, you might stick around to hear whats next.

Um hello? They might and probably will release a different single from the demos...

If they did release a demo that we have now as a single later on, then I would like to hear Better... it's very fresh and borders a nu-metal sound to a rock sound.

I think they need to follow the 80's hair band method of releasing a hard hitting rock song and then follow up with a ballad like The Blues.  I think whatever single is released first will be surpassed by The success of The Blues anyways.  I mean lets face it, it is the ballads GNR released over the years that probably made them the most money.  SCOM, Patience and NR are amazing money makers and I think THe Blues will be too.

Supposedly the song Prostitute will be the first single.? But I have heard that the song What Danger Lurks In The Hearts of Man will be the first single.? Maybe they are the same song, but renamed.

Mr Brownface....would you please stop seeking attention?  People who say "my sources" aren't usually treated very well around here. 

Don't your sources work at the local Subway?

I think Better should be the first single,who know what Axl has in mind,maybe it will be a song we've never even heard of,who knows :smoking:

Exactly.

Thats funny. Tell your source to make me a salami sandwich. No way in hell will the first single have such a long name. I'm not going by madison's claim of a single having a one word name. Its just common sense. Movies that are released with long titles dont do very well. Same with a single(there might be a few exceptions). Our society now has short attention spans, a more dumbed down vocabulary, and seeks instant gratification. They will not go around talking about how great a song is they heard on the radio that has a really long song title, and one they likely wouldn't even remember the name of. The first single's title will be simple, short, and to the point.

I would lean towards prostitute. It's title sounds like a raw guns n roses rocker.

im so fucked up right now...i am 21 today and i am bombed...guns n fukin roses....axl fukin rose....my gf is about to fuk my brains out life is good get krunked!

Heh. Happy b-day younggunner!

I think of the first single off of an album in the same vain as a teaser trailer for a movie. Make it short, grab the listeners/viewers attention, leave them wanting more.

None of the full demos fit into this category. "Better" might but with only 2 minutes available, its hard to tell. From what we have heard "Chinese Democracy" would fit what I have in mind best. Listening to the radio promos from 2002, that opening guitar riff definitely got my attention.

I would tend to think its something we havent heard yet, though.

The full version o Better is available now dude.

OK, thanks for the info. The last time I was online, it was said that the full "Better" that was floating around was a fake.

Edit: Ok after hearing the full "Better" it is easily my favorite of all we have heard since 2002, but it doesnt fit into what I initially said. Close to 5 miutes with that edit is too long. The 1st single should be somewhere around 3:30 - 4:00. Whet their appetites and leave them wanting more.

better better better, you want something that will catch attention quickly, bight you on the first listen,  8)you don't want songs you have to give  multiple listens to.. This flys with us but not the same with teh public, something more complex like twat could be second,  :peace:

Yeah, you've got a point. TWAT is too complex for the casual listener.

I dont want twat or better to be the first single. I want something we havent heard yeat some new and fresh that hasnt gotten leaked (including CITR).

I really don't think twat and NR should be compared. Twat is a great song, but NR IMO is the best song of the 90's. It's a true masterpiece.

They need to make a straight-up rock song the first single to get mainstream rock on the bandwagon, and then maybe they could release TWAT. Then again, you know how the public felt about Estranged as a single.

TWAT is a little more down the road I think. The first single has to be a rocker and a home run.

^ Why quote me if you basically restated what I said?

^^ lol

i'm thinkin' it might be a track besides better or the ones we've heard...perhaps prostitute  ;)...but you never know

Congrats to Younggunner!!  Happy birthday.  That's how life should be!   :yes:

  Since we haven't heard all the songs, I'd give the edge to Better if it's smoothed out a bit.  If the songs stayed for the most part the same, I'd say IRS.  I think TWAT will be the one that goes down in history as the biggest classic...it's a "big gun" to me.  :love: 

  It all depends on what GNR wants.  Do they want to appeal to the masses?  The masses prefer music (usually short radio-friendly songs) with melodies that get stuck in their heads.  For example Photograph by Nickelback.  I say screw the masses and record sales and just release the album.  Okay...now reality, of course they'd like to get their music out to alot of people.  Gimme The Blues!!!  Followed up with a clean and powerful IRS BABY!!!!!YEEEEEAH!!!   ;D 

better could be a first single if they chopped out the 2:20 to around 3:40 mark.... otherwise it would be an awful choice for a first single. the average radio listener needs something catchy, and wuick.... nothing to deep. just look how estranged did on the charts. even novmember rain didn't do that well considering gnr were the biggest band in the world at the time.

Something in the vein of sweet child but even shorter would be the best choice for a first single

depends on where you`re talking about...  it was at #1 in colombia for a year i think for example... and is considered as gnr`s best song in most countries.....


i guess prostitute will be the first single...

Better would be a good single, even with the middle section.  Although that would hurt it on Top 40 radio, it would get many spins on rock radio.  What I think they should do is release a The Blues as a single with Better or a hard rocking song as the B-side, The Blues is a very radio friendly song that would get played on rock stations and on Top 40 and pop stations and get the band a lot of exposure, and meanwhile Better would be getting plenty of play on modern rock stations, that way all the bases are covered.  Their second single should be the best song on the album

this sounds like sarcasm to me

something short, catchy and rocking....Can't say as we heaven't hear everything....from what i've heard IRS fits the bill 3:30, it rocks, and its straightforward

But i don't know what else is out there

If people wanna use sarcasm, it would be wise to know exactly what the lyrics say...

How can we say what the first single should be, we haven't even heard all of the songs yet. Its kind of pointless and ridiculous to predict a single when we dont even know what the songs sound like, besides the 5 we've heard.

does anyone think that better is the first single with the b side demos of CITR,IRS &TWAT?
It makes sense that it went to the pressing company and was leaked from there. This shit could have leaked years ago otherwise.

I would go for IRS. I love it. I think the 1st single should be a rocker.

i hope they hand out promo copies of the first single at the NY gigs. whatever it is.

Bingo. Better or IRS should be the single!

That's my feeling on things. Whatever the single is, it'll need an element of familiarity and surprise in the music - Just as you said, a transitional track that just happens to grab people's interest immediately.

As for the leaks... Better would be the best choice, as it's a perfectly catchy pop/rock tune that has a really aggressive streak. It could crossover very easily between formats, IMO.


Oh, and as for There Was a Time - This song is a masterpiece. Single material, however? Not quite. This is one of those songs that needs to stay on the album, more like a gem to be discovered.

out of the leaks, TWAT would make the best comeback single

They need a rocker as a comeback single. And if it's a balad, it needs to be something not so electronic. TWAT would be a very poor choice as the lead single.

yea id go with a rocker actually, from what insiders have said, prostitute would be a good choice

The first single needs to be something quite snappy, and not an epic like T.W.A.T.. I think it would be best if it were a track we haven't heard yet.

Personally, at the moment I'm really into CITR. Especially the 'how a body, took a body' part at the end... Its fucking awesome... But that just my humble opinion. As for a song that could re-position GN'R with the majority of the people, I'd go for Better rather than choose TWAT. Lets wait and see...

I couldn't agree more... a new fresh single that will blow everyone away. What the GN'R camp don't need is "Joe Casual Listener" saying, "This sounds like some other song" because he heard the leak and hasn't made the connection that it is the same song he heard months ago. The single need to blow people's minds, the video will be even more important. No dolphins, no CG, what we need is what made them famous... Axl.

I also think that the first single to this new axl's band shoul be a rocker track, has to be powerfull and heavy.
But hey guys HOW CAN YOU COMPARE TWAT WITH NR OR ESTRANGED? ARE CRAZY? I WANT YOUR GRASS TO SMOKE MEN!!!!!! :hihi: :rofl: :smoking: :rofl: :hihi:
It's a good song but ... I think you should listen NR  or Estranged again

something simple and rocking would be the best, maybe even Better is too complex for the average mtv watchers.
Im thinking IRS would probably be the best choice for a first single, even though I like Better better...no pun intended. ;D

Better hands down.... Would have the best commercial interest imo, and that's what counts on teh radio during a comeback

i think better would be the best first single fo the leaks as it will give a song everyone will like and show the power of new guns which is what is wanted, later on they can release the older style guns songs like TWAT but they need an impact of a first song and i think better would do that best

I think it'll be a brand new song that nobody has ever heard.

i heard prostitute was gonna be their next single and they might film the music video in may 15th...? :-X

why the  :-X??

You know it, and I'll be in the front row.   :beer:

i think it will actually be either irs or chinese democracy. this album is going to release single after single and they will probably start with catchy tunes instead of the best songs on the album.

you cant release better with bucket on it as the first single. possibly if someone has rerecorded or redone his parts. it makes no sense to release this as a single when the best part of the song(bucket) isnt even around.

a song we havent heard yet

I hope for better, but  TWAT and IRS maybe gonna be the first single. I wish that they gonna released lots of singles and lots of videos

i strongly believe the 1st single will be one that we have not yet heard

I have no clue what the first single will be, but I will have to throw my hat into the "it's gonna be a rocker and not a ballad" camp.

How about 3 first singles at the same time...with the same song for the other sides... :P

I throw my hat into the ring of a Ballad that is also a rock epic track. I think Better would be a good choice, but after it's been circulating the web for so many months, I'm doubting any of  the leaks will be the first single. If they come with something hard, it has to be mind-blowing. If they go with a piano-based tune, people will hear it and immediately think " This is Axl Rose's vision " instead of " This is Axl Rose trying to re-create Appetite ( which is bull-shit anyway, but you KNOW some asshole journalist is going to write it up like that

I think it has to be rocker. That is the formula: rocker, ballad. Or rocker, rocker, then ballad. I would not mind CD or Better as the first, but whatever it is it has to be catchy to the masses.

Actually Asshole journalist don't contribute to the record sales much. They are for geeks.
The masses do. SCOM appealed to the general public. the song itself with the help of the Video did the job.

I think too bigger deal is made of singles.

Follow Led Zepplin's lead, only release albums.

If you have other stuff, stick it onto eps.

I do too, I think there is absolutely no way that Axl would let the first single off his 10 year in the making album leak to us, or even be played live.

Altough Better would be an amazing single, because it is very different from old Guns music, and it also doesnt sound forced. Axl could have tried to make another Jungle or Paradise, but it would have never lived up to the old. Better is a perfect choice.

It will be Better or a song that only Guns N' Roses has heard.

and we still dont have the first single  :no:

Better is the best lead single of the new material.  It catches your attention immediately and it's true to the spirit of GnR's best singles from the past.  It reminds me a lot of SCOM, not musically but in the way that it immediately stands out and catches your attention with the intro, and the way that it somehow manages to be pop and kick ass at the same time. 

I think that TWAT and The Blues are better songs, but TWAT is a little too long and complex for a single.  The Blues is a great single and is a perfectly constructed song, but it doesn't immediately jump out and grab you like Better, it's more subdued and moody

The first single will not be any song we've heard so far.


So its impossible to say.

i think Better will be the first single. not one show has gone without it

TWAT or IRS but really i dont fucking shive a git as long as they put something out soon.

I hope the single is something we havent heard...

I think Better, IRS and Madagascar will all be singles.  But as long as the album keeps selling at a long pace without slowing down, the more singles we will hear  :beer:

Exactly. I dont know how people make up their minds on what it should. We still have atleast half the album that we haven't heard.

I hope the new single is something we haven't heard. I'll be dissapointed if it's not a full on rocker that's in the same league as Jungle, SCOM, PC, or YCBM. I believe in Axl though and i'm confident he has a rocker that's as kick ass as those I just mentioned.

from the material we've heard, "better" would be the best choice: it's so damn catchy and melodical, got power, is agressive and also groovy-relaxed (verses) as well as melancholic: typicall axl all in all with a new flavour added; :peace:

but i'd also prefer something we haven't heard yet for the first single; 2nd single ("catcher"?) should be a ballad and "better" the third single... but please no "irs" as a single

TWAT should not be the first single IMO, my guess is that it will probably be the 2nd or 3rd.
IMO they need a more rocker song to be the first single, right now it seems the first will be Better or IRS, or maybe Chinese Democracy, why not

I think it will be Prostitute

I want IRS, it's such a cool song, every time I listen to it it gets stuck in my head the whole day. The live version is way better than the demo and I bet the album version will be killer, that song's got potential

Yea, right, because Estranged had so much success as a single. :no:

First single MUST be a rocker or the public will laugh at the nuGuns and turn their back. Better looks good, even IRS could be a good single.

Suckerpunched will be the 1st single, the video can mach the debacle between Axl & Tommy Hil! Lol  No but seriously I hope its something we havent heard yet.

I got an idea......Lets worry about the damn album being released before we worry about a single or cover art....I am still not even close to believing the album will be released this fall.........I am waiting for the announcementin early september that the album will be delayed until XMAS.........Then on Xmas the album will be delayed until March, then in March 2007 the album will be delayed until summer 07..etc etc etc......................I will worry about the single when i got the album playing in my stereo

the two professionals who sat infront of me at the concert said Better was a potential hit, so .....

Out of the songs we heard so far only Better and IRS have potential to be a radio single, with Better being an obviously better option.

I would go as far as saying this is proably the biggest DEAD HORSE topic going right now

Originally, I thought the first single would most definately be a song we haven't heard yet, but listening more and more to the newly re-worked Chinese Democracy, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Axl chose to launch this brand spanking new album, with nothing short of the brand spanking new title track.

Almost all of ya, are insisting the new single, no matter what, should be a kick ass rocker, and Chinese Democracy fills that description down to a stitch : ok:

yeah i was thinking this too but then they sometimes omit it from the setlist so it makes me kinda question that logic :-\

the only two songs they play at every show are the blues and better. so if they were to pick a track we've heard already as the first single i would reason that it would be one of those 2...if it's gonna be a rocker then Better...if a ballad then the blues

I think Chinese Democracy is a much more accesible, and straight ahead rock song than say Better, for the casual listening public though...

Better almost seems like flawless radio, friendly music...until the screaming part in the middle :-\

For example, I played the demo for my 66 year old grandmother the other day, who isn't a rock and roll fan by any stretch of the imagination and she absolutely adored the song, since I had a print out of the lyrics for her to follow along to up until...you guessed it...the screaming part.

Axl has the right direction of the song,? it's just that if he wanted to take it in the radio airplay direction,? the hardcore screaming part that totally shifts the momentum of the song will be a hard pill to swallow for the large age 40+ demographic, whereas with Chinese Democracy...it's edgy and gritty, but as I said, it's much more digestible to the casual ear, while remaining equally as intriguing as say Better ;)

The Blues will also be a future single, there has never been any doubt in my mind about that...just not a first single : ok:

AMM i totally agree I'm just saying that if CD is gonna be the first single...i think they would play it at every show to get the fans ready to have that song "shoved down their throats" to use an Axl quote from the trunk interview :hihi:

Better would be big radio hit, and then maybe TWAT for second single, or some new songs..

I disagree completely man.

I think Chinese Democracy going from the live version we've come to know and love, to a definite masterpiece on the finished album will be all the shoving needed to shove that song, or any other song down our throats... :hihi:

Sure the song has bite live, but on the album, I think it will exceed just "bite."

Dave said last week he see's it being the first song on the album, and I think he's right.

Remember the 5 second Boston Radio Promo we got in 2002 that may or may not have had studio clips of the Blues, Maddy, and CD on it?

Well listening to the brief clip of CD from that old promo now, the intro has obviously changed since, however if the recording quality has remained up to par, then I think that really could be our first single...it's the one "rocker" we've gotten so far where you're ass is getting kicked literally as soon as you press play : ok:

Title tracks as first singles can be viewed as "ultra safe" sure, but the more I think about it, this album is going to be such a melting pot of different styles, and littered with so many epics, that a simplistic title track may really be all that's needed to sell the album to the public, hook, line and sinker.. : ok:

cool...anyway it'll be interesting stuff for sure to see what does make it for the first single

anyway here are the times they've played each tune live so far in 26 shows this year

Better - 25 (didn't play at the acoustic gig)
The Blues - 25 (didn't play at the first finland show?)
IRS - 20
Madagascar - 17
Chinese Democracy - 14
There Was A Time - 2

i still say if it was gonna be the first single that they'd play it mor than just a measily half the time...but of course it's just my opinion...they are testing the waters IMO see what the fan base wants...if it points to rocker....say hi to better if a ballad get ready for the blues....IF they go for a song that we've heard before..we'll agree to disagree : ok:

I think Axl already said Silkworms and Riahd won't be on the new album(s)

IRS or TWAT would make good 1st singles;

unless there is just an unbelievable rocker we haven't heard yet

I also think Better will be the first single

hmmm if that setlist is legit then i think the plans may have changed....cuz Rhiad is on it (that's how it's spelled on there too :P )

I really hope it is a song that we haven't heard.

When? I must have missed that one.

Dizzy did say that Silkworms wouldn't be on the first album but possibly on the following ones (the 3rd or 4th).

yeah i think it was said by dizzy...in the same statement...that Rhiad and silkworms would be on future recordings...but like i said why learn it if for the setlist it's not gonna be on CD ???

But in hindsight, Uncle Axl sure likes to thrive off the element of surprise, and since this album has been a long ass time in the making after all, I think perhaps his absolute, strongest song will be debuted as the very first single...one of which we have not heard yet.

Whatever it may or may not be, it's got to sell the album.. : ok:

what would be NOT funny is if they do a cover of Welcome To The Jungle as a first single !!!! ?____8?

Neemo, Did he mention Rhiad there? I'm unsure of that.

They've worked on 2 albums at the same time moving the songs back and forth, no? 
I guess Riyadh is among those 32 songs.

oh yeah you're right from the cornell campus interview


but in another instance Dizzy reportedly said this stuff


http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=26534.msg480805#msg480805

totally forgot about this...maybe that accounts for the silence about CITR....maybe that is the first single..I'm just throwing a thought out there, just a guess

neemo, who was this potential booker and when did he speak to Dizzy?  ???

Oct 8, 2005 :D

I dunno who the booker is ??? ask that JB9988 person (I'm assuming it's for hookers n blow though)...i just came across it when i tryed to pull quotes...that is the one everybody refers to though when you hear that Rhiad isn't on CD

Come on, neemo!
It's the date the admin of the GNRnewswire posted it. The convo should have taken place before that As your quote says

I think Axl already said Silkworms and Riahd won't be on the new album(s)

damn; no rhiad? thats a good song. catchy, and an awesome bh solo. And to cut to the chase, Better is the choice for first single. Every single on a rock album has to be the most straight on if u get what im saying.

I think that Better should be 3rd, with the blues or another similar song 2nd. I feel like the first song should be one noone has heard yet, a very uptempo song. That's just me though, and I'm sure a plan is in place.

I vote for Better  8) A surprise song wont be a surprise coming from ol' Axl either  ???

better is great for an opener

I would hope for a song that we have'nt heard yeard yet.

I don't care what it is, as long as we get it this year.

I agree, it could be Silkworms or RHiad, i dont care. get us some new fucking material, im hungry  :nervous:

It's going to be Better because they always play this song first!

...catcher in the rye

lonely tear drops are calling me arent exactly lyrical perfection, not nearly as some of the stuff Axl wrote, not knockin twat because the song is mindblowing, unlike anything ive ever heard before i love it, but my favorite line in the song is
"if theres something I can make of this,
or anything at all,
it'd be the devil hates a loser and
you thought you had it all."   gives me goosebumps

Sorry if such a thread exists I searched but couldn't find one, if so merge em.

OK with all this hype and a release of CD within 13 weeks that surely means an announcement regarding a single is only weeks or even days away. Before we find out what it is use this thread to predict what you think it might be and the highest position it will reach in the charts. It doesn't have to be a song we've already heard either.

My guess is Madagascar

Chart position 2

I am going with a sweet, hard version of IRS

Prositute

Madagascar would be nice to hear but I think a heavy rocker that we haven't heard yet would be more fitting.....IRS is not gonna happen.....that is a B-SIDE song......They released a heavy rocker in 91 (YCBM) and that worked out perfectly...They always release the heartfelt songs AFTER a good rock song first....and it is smarter to do so... :peace:

Better will probably be the first single and it'll get to 3 in the charts tops. 

Actually I totally agree with you, a rocker would be the way to go, but I just get the feeling it's going to be Madagascar as the single I don't however think it would be such a good choice.

Prostitute or other hard rocker.

Yeah, that's a single that should wait.....Madagascar is going to be an amazing song and a good change of pace if they release a rocker first......

I'll go for that too, with an nice 'in your face' kind of video.

Or I'd go for 'Better'.

It will be Better. Thats the most radiofriendly of em all so far.; and it will be in the top 10 8)

have ya heard prostitute?? has it been leaked ??? just curious!
i hope the first single is a rocker...i love everything weve heard so far, but i hope they have some real good aggressive heavy (not over the top heavy) stuff for us to get crazy with!! something faster and a little heavier would be a great way to start as far as a first single goes...but thats just my little opinion....

This is complete nonsence just like all other threads like this have been. You havn't even heard any studio tracks let alone know what will be on the album. And you have people given names of songs like "Prositute" which you don't know nothink about.

I predict Zodiac will be the first single because it sounds great and I love the lyrics......sounds stupid don't it ?::)

Better

I said they could name an unheard song if they wanted I never said they had to, most have said Prostitute I would assume because it's always been talked of as the strongest track the band has. It's just a bit of fun, we've heard so many tracks titles over the years with a single coming up soon why not have a guess at what it'll be.

Oh btw you forgot to give a chart position for Zodiac ?: ok:

Better, or something new. Axl already said that none of the stuff they played in 2002 would be singles.

I'm thinking better.

I wish it would be a killer song never played before though.

i think better. imagine people listening on the radio, the intro will make them curious and take notice, then Axl's voice kick's in... people will be like "He's back! I've missed that voice."

I'm thinking either I.R.S, Better or something we haven't heard yet.  Dunno about the chart position... I don't see anything they release selling as greatly as some people expect.

Better,The Blues or a new song we don't know.

It won't be IRS.....I like the song but it IS a B-side song....and they know it......again, it WON'T be IRS.....

From what I saw at shows, when they played I.R.S the people in the crowd enjoyed it a lot more than any other of the new songs.  Most of the others everyone stood there with blank faces, but I.R.S people were jumping around.  Which is why I believe it could be.

They do?

Cornshucker is a solid lil' diddy...

Better

I hear you, but it is not going to be IRS. Better is the only one out of the new songs we have heard that has a chance as the first single......In my eyes, if it isn't that....It will be an unheard song...and it WILL be a rocker..... :peace:

Yup, they do...

How so?

I keep my fingers crossed for 'Better'.  :drool:

If I remember correctly, Axl referred to it as B-side 5 or six years ago when he talked about IRS...or maybe it was 4 years ago.....anyway, it wasn't a big discussion, just in a matter of fact fashion....Rolling Stone I believe....it could have been elsewhere though.

anything!

But i think Better and Chinese Democracy would fith good! Maybe also IRS..

Something in the veins of WTTJ/It's so easy/YCBM. That means a "rocker".

yeah I also thought about that , and Better great song !

Better would be a good idea....re-introduces the new band.....people who don't listen to GNR seem to really like that song when I have them listen to it.....That said, I would prefer a rocker that we have yet to here... :peace:

I agree with you. Better or a brand new rocker... either would suffice at this point  :peace:

In my opinion its got to Better. It's just so goddamn catchy.

Plus, as a hardcore fan, I dont want it to be a song I havent heard yet because I want to hear the rest of the songs we havent heard when I first pop in the cd after I buy it.  :drool:

Better

Second single an unheard song. : ok:

Agree with you, i would like to hear something we haven't heard before. But I guess it has to be something already heard in the concerts  :peace:

Its been referred to more recently than that as a CD song, plus theyre playing it at most shows?

I think IRS or Chinese Democracy are the best choices from what we've heard. Better is too complex for a single

Better

its gona be a song no fucker has heard!!!

think that they r that stupid surely!

maybe the ones we heard already later on...especially the blues its appeals 2 most people!!

 : ok:

Bottom line...if the first single is either IRS or Chinese Democracy....I am going to throw up.... a lot....good tracks, but considering the 15 years of nothing, I would think that they would want to release something that punches you in the grill....neither IRS or Chinese Democracy do that.....

Yeah I think The Blues will be the Second Single.

Have you even heard Prostitute?

Well anyway, I think Better would be a good single.. b-side Maddy. It would be a radio friendly and also a great piece of the new version of Gn'R.

Maybe not you.
You may have to accept the fact that that's the best they've got.

I want it to be Better.. but anything will do for me, it's just that I want GN'R to kick it BIG from the very beginning with the mainstream, show them they are back and Better than ever : ok:

I really don't think Better is single material either.  It takes far too many twists and turns to be considered commercial enough to put out as a single.  Hardly a radio track, and to get maximum exposure, they're going to need a radio track.  Just hopefully not a ballad.

You may be right, but I HIGHLY doubt it....I'll almost guarantee that those two tracks may very well be the weakest....I don't know this for a fact, but I would bet good money on it....

"this i love" or "the general"

If it is to be something we've already heard then I think 'Better'.

This has the most oompf (as we say in the North of England) and is heavy and catchy. I think 'The Blues' is potentially a good single, but not the first off an album.

Chart position in the UK depends on if Radio 1 and the clubs pick up on it.

If they do, it could go to number one. If they don't, then top ten at least  8)

It's clearly not going to be a song we've heard.

The first single is going to be a rocker, it always has been in the past and it's also obviously the right move in an economic aspect.

That leaves Chinese Democracy, IRS and Better.

It can't be CD. Sure it's a good song, but nothing spectacular. I'm sure Axl knows this aswell.

IRS? Never really gave me the vibe, but it grew after awhile. The live perfomance though could suggest the song has progressed. But a single? It's not effective enough.

Better could be a candidate, but it seems weird to release such a progressive song to such a narrow minded consumer marked.

Besides that, I'm sure Axl has saved the best for last. He's not the guy to expose his jewels before they're ready. I'm sure the first single is going to be something mind blowing that will catch instant interest. I can imagine this song on a emotional level. I already know what the song will be, just not how it will be.

 :beer: I share your sentiments!

Let's hope it's something fresh and mind-blowing.

Be careful with those expectations, there. ?People who build their hopes so highly are often disappointed.

This is what I've been saying all along..... : ok:....with the exception of your "Better" opinion, I agree..

Better is the most sensible choice unless there's a catchier, harder rocking tune we haven't heard yet.

If Prostitute is heavier I'd go with that since the name alone would catch people's attention.

There has to be...

Hope so!

I like Better a lot but I hope it isn't the hardest song on the whole album.

That's a good point actually. Everyone is always talking about how Prostitute is going to be one of the best tracks, and they don't know anything but the name :P But I like it. Hope it's going to be a great song..

Something not heard before


Me thinks something both heavy & some signature piano with it - would be the best choice

The first single had better be something we haven't heard yet, otherwise this project is sunk. The new songs are solid for the most part, but the first thing everyone is going to think when they hear a new GNR single on the radio is "was it worth the wait". Nothing we have heard thus far is going to pass that kind of litmus test, not that anything would. They just need to release the absolute best song they have recorded as the first single and go from there.

Better seems to be everyone around here's choice, but I think the intro is a little too weird with the industrial sounding guitar and Axl's voice for that to be a viable first single. The body of the song is stellar, but it took me a bunch of listens to get past the beginning of the song. However, not everyone is going to listen to it a bunch of times like fan-boys and force themselves to like the way many around here do.

However, if the best song they've recorded happens to be a ballad, the general consensus of the public is that the album will all be like that and not buy it because they think Axl's become "a pussy".  An album is always judged by it's first single... so it has to be something representative of the album as a whole, and I believe the album as a whole will be a heavy rock album with a few ballads thrown in.

first single, OCTOBER: "Better"

second single, Christmas: "Madagascar"

third single, MARCH: "Chinese Democracy"

fourth single, JULY: "There was a Time"

fifth single, NOVEMBER: "IRS"


*** of course, my opinions....and since I dont know whats going to be on the album, just choosing from songs already present.

we can rule out CD,Madagascar,The Blues, Rhiad and Silkworms as singles.

I believe the first single will be a rocker that we havnt heard yet

For those that think Chinese Democracy, The Blues, and Madagascar won't be singles because Axl said so... That was FOUR years ago. Plans change. Not saying they will be, but it's possible.

Also, based on Merk's "There are at least 10 better songs" comment when IRS leaked, I wouldn't think they'd choose it as a single either.

I think Better would be great. Yeah, it's really complex, really different, etc. but I still think it'll grab everyones attention and such.

But lets think, 9 months ago none of us would have said Better because we had never even heard the title... We really can't say much until we have more info...

It'll make sense to release one that they've already played live, because then when people first hear it on the radio they'd be reminded of the gig... they'd be thinking, "hey, they played this at Hammerstein", or whatever.  I'm thinking people will buy the single to be reminded of the show.

You may be right...it's like hearing a single and buying it when it's already had tons of airplay.

IF it's something we've already heard (a big IF imo). obviously this is just a wild guess, and nothing would surprise me, but my guess is Chinese Democracy.

a few years ago, someone described this song as "grungy". i don't necessarily agree with that assessment, but i do believe it has a sound that can and will appeal to many segments of the rock market.

i think it's a good song to use to introduce the new band. it has elements of old gnr, but it's fresh enough so that it does not sound dated at all.

i also think it makes some sense from a marketing perspective. basically, the CD brand is known even among non-gnr fans. many have heard of it. and when those people hear a new song on the radio called "cd", they will instantly know who it is.

it's catchy and grabs you right away. i would then release "better" next (and maybe sooner than your typical #2 single), which could be a more successful single. but i just think it's a little risky as single #1.

Prostitute  ;)

Just the name "prostitute" will bring interest to the band. This is a single name you remember.

it'll be a song we haven't heard yet and it'll probably come out around the same time as the album. if it was better or the blues or any other song we've already heard... well, i think they'd already have it on the radio and itunes and whatever else. the singles will be songs not many people have heard. why else all the secrecy about every aspect of the album if we've already been privy to the singles? whatever the song is i'm sure it'll be a rock song in the way better is a rock song.

They can be ruled out as FIRST singles... I think The Blues would do great on the radio once the band has been around for a bit.

Make a radio version of Better, shorter and with some of all the stuff going on in the middle edited out.

Brilliant.....?....er.. :no:

T.D  the new jam that was played all summer. ;D

My money's on "Better."  Far too catchy of a song, a killer riff, and vocals that (literally) scream "Axl's back."

Why are people picking songs they haven't heard like Prostitute?  For all we know it could be a 9 minute song with no chorus that isn't a viable single.

From the songs that we've heard the two best singles are Better and The Blues.  Better because it attracts attention to itself right away with the intro and because it's catchy, The Blues because it's a mellow and catchy song with the same vibe as GnR's other hit ballads

Better

Its NOT going to be Better. The first single is going to be the rocker on the album that sounds most like the classic gnr sound. They have to do it that way so they can attract the old fans and the new fans. Better while a great song a lot of people that are causal fans hate it. It will be the hardest rocker on the album that sounds like classic gnr. That is the safest move. That is what they did with UYI and YCMB, that song sounded like and afd song

I too think the first single should be a rocker, followed by a ballad.? That is the formula that has worked for GNR and many other bands in the past.

I haven't heard that many new tracks -- only "Better", "The Blues", "IRS", "Madagascar", and "There Was a Time".? Of these five, I like "Better" the most by far.? I also think it's the most rockin', and the most like the old GNR while still showing musical progression.

While it's possible there is an as-yet-unleashed rocker that is better than "Better", I think it would behoove GNR to release a track that some people have already heard.? Not only will die-hard fans scoop it up, I think casual listeners -- friends and family of die-hards who have been dragged to concerts and forced to watch grainy videos and listen to MP3's of questionable quality -- will recognize it, think to themselves, "Hey, it's that song," and scoop it up as well.? With the song now cranking from a good number of car stereos and portable listening devices, the public at large will not be able to resist.

So, add me to the list of folks who are picking "Better".

As far as "Better" not being radio-friendly...? Well...? Let's face it...? Hard rock in general has not exactly been radio-friendly for quite some time.? But GNR is gonna change that.? Soon.? I can feel it.

1st single: Unheard killer rocker (The General / CheckMate / Prostitute) reintroduces GNR to the world

2nd: Better - shows how fuckin good this band can play (and write - that's a Robin song)

3rd: Ballad (Blues or This I Love) - Power ballads to remind people of the good old Patience, NR, etc times.

4th: Other rocker

5th: Other ballad

6th: TWAT - mini epic to close CD era and start the 2nd album.

Remember, on 2002 (ok it might have changed) Axl said he didn't consider to release Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy nor Rhiad as singles (new songs GNR had played so far at that time). He was saving the big guns.

If I can only pick from the songs we have heard I pick Better. But who knows about the ones we have not heard yet.  :drool: Only time will tell and I can wait since I did this long.   

Better, Madagascar and the two that we haven't heard.

While now it seems nothing we've heard passes your litmus test, I have to say that before this year, the ONLY new tune I heard live that I really liked was Maddy. When I heard Better I was blown away - completely. I agree with you that the intro is very weird and not easy to adapt to for the average fan, but the rest speaks for itself.

The first song will not be aimed at fans like us - he's got us aboard the ship already - the first single will be aimed at the casual rock fan - older ones who maybe loved GNR back in the day or newer ones that only know the hits, I think this is  how it's gonna go down. It's gonna be a Piano-driven tune like Estranged maybe, but with heavy guitars to give the best of both worlds.? When people hear the voice with the piano they're immediately gone be reminded of NR type of stuff, but if the single has the power of the Better guitars, then that my friends is something not even sniffed on radio today

Better drops next week, obvious first single.

Album comes out November 21st, the Tuesday before "black Friday" of the Holiday shopping season.

And you heard this where?....

I think "Better" is THE song (from what we've heard). As for the intro, it's only about 15 seconds. Maybe if the single released for radio didn't have the Axl vocals (just the intro) it would seem less "weird."

better

Someone post this link earlier in other thread.
Check this out. It has June 2000 release date for This I Love
So maybe...maybe

http://members.aol.com/hkpwnetd/disc.html

I'm interested in why everyone says IRS is a b-side. Is it more or less of a B-side than a song like yesterdays? just wondering what everyone thinks.

you have to release a hard rockin song first, then a ballad....madagascar would probably fall into the ballad category more than a hard rocker,,although i think it is one of the best gnr songs i have ever heard...i think a safe bet would be irs or better...

I think IRS is one of the better songs I've heard in awhile from anyone - The guitars sound like Zeppelin, the Vocals are intense - B-Side?  I'd love to see what the A-Side is!

I honestly think, out of what we have heard, it's obvious that Better would be it. It's  a really hard rocking song and has those awesome melodies from the guitar man Robin. I think it satisfies guitar people with the cool solos, and it also satisfies the heavy people with the rythm riffs.

On another note, I am goin to be horribly saddened if the last solo when Axl goes All the i wanted was ... is changed at all, cause I just love that part.

Agreed - i think that part works so well, though it is likely the kind of thing they'd edit in a radio version. I pointed that part out to my gf pretty much everytime we hear it - 'here it comes!'

I have the feeling that Better will be the one and I think IT'S COMING SOON!!!!

..does there have to be a single? ..there could just be an album.. . ..if there is to be a single, guess it'll be one of the new tracks from the live set list, Better or IRS? :peace:

.if there is to be a single, a cool video would be a good thing. a bunch of clips from live shows would be a lazy thing to do... ..? .

Soon is not a word i would use with Gn'R. Someday would be closer   :hihi:

If Better is released we are all fucked. IMO

The chorus is just flat and lame. It sounds too modern like its trying to fit into a genre.

Anything but Better.

Doubtful that there would be no single.  You need to have something on the radiostations and Axl said a few years ago that the single would be a big gun, not something we've already heard.. granted, that was a few years ago.  who knows.. but I'd put money on there being a single
 :peace:

I really think it's gonna be one of the leaks first. Most likely Better. Can't help but think that. I'm thinking more about longevity these days. I really hope there's 4 or more singles off this LP.

i agree...i mean its a good tune, but....i think we need a jungle/sweet child type of song to bring back GNR.  something that sounds somewhat modern, but has that hard rock feel that todays music is so desperatly lacking.

betters current outro (the leaks that is) is way too long too.  take out the heavy middle section and the song is extremely average.

Estranged is my favorite song, by any band, Ever.  There Was a Time is a solid track, but I wouldnt even put it 2 levels below Estranged.

better

Personally I like TWAT the most out of the new material I have heard thus far.  It actually reminds me of "Sympathy For The Devil" with the outro.  Should it be the first single though?  I'd be happy if it was either TWAT or Better.  I could lean either way.

The most important thing about any single that comes out in my opinion is that it should include the demos and early versions of the songs as they progressed towards the finished version.  Any fan would pay top dollar for that.  I have already heard a few versions of TWAT, Blues etc.  I love them all.  Who wouldn't like to see how Buckethead's take on a song differs from Bumblefoot's from Paul Huge's or even Moby's (I recall he was in the producer's chair at some point).

Imagine if the November Rain single included the acoustic guitar version, and the piano-only version, and the version that was played live with Elton John.  Such a CD would have had a permanent place in my disk changer.

Bang Bang

DO NOT get me wrong, "There Was A Time" is a fucking OUTSTANDING song, but that song is a bit more down tempo, it takes a few listens to really understand it and grasp it.. for a first single, they need something simple, catchy, melodic and driving, even if it is not as up to par as the rest of the album, and I think "Better" can fulfill that, because for sure, a song like "Madagascar" blows it away and hell, even the 'title track' is something relatively simple, although alot heavier and dramatic, but "Better" is a bit more of a 'fun' song, for lack of a better term, and yeah as I've said before (and I might even be repeating myself in this thread again but eh), this song will work well, because its got a cute melody, it rocks, its got a big guitar solo, and a heavy buildup into a rocking bridge that all the chicks will get excited to and the guys will be headbanging. And of course, the lyrics are pretty universal. Everyone will pick up on the song.

Also, don't forget its a song alot of people would be familiar with, from the demo or live versions, or hopefully in time, the Harley ad.. Yeah..

 The Blues. By far the Best new song out there!

Prostitute, cause it's supposedly the best song and we haven't heard it yet.

Would you really pay for a prostitute.....single? :hihi:  Sorry...

Bang Bang

Of the five I'm familiar with, The Blues is my LEAST favorite...not that it's bad, of course.  Also, didn't Axl once say that they're only playing songs live if they aren't intended as early singles?  And they've played most of the songs in discussion (The Blues, Madagascar, IRS, TWAT, Better). 

Also, as a fan who (like all of you, I assume) will buy the album ASAP, GNR aren't really "drawing me in" with great singles.  I'll be interested to see what it is, mainly because that's how they'll reach the masses, but it makes little difference to me.

I think better will be the first single due to its instant appeal.However its certainly not going to be the song that defines the new album i dont think.I think every song onn the album will probably be a capable single in its own right because if its not then its been a hell of a recording an album with maybe 5 possible singles and the rest filler.Since axl has done exactly what he wanted the past years and "perfected" the album he shouldnt make a choice to define the album by a pop esque song like better.TWAT musically sounds alot more competant in musical arrangement and lyrics.

For all we know, the second album which axl confirmed in the eddie trunk interview as bein pretty much complete may blow chinese democracy out of the water.

Gotta laugh at this comment.  Have you heard the song?? We can only guess without having heard it, Im assuming this thread is in relation to the leaks we have heard, in which case its got to be Better as 1st single.

I think will be like


1st single Better

2st single Prostitue

3st single TWAT

Just hope the Better HD add pups up soon. : ok:

Yeah, I think 'soon' is the word !

I'd like to see Better as the first single. Pretty much everyone I know that's not into GNR still loves the song.

Either that or maybe something we haven't heard yet.

any of the new songs would not make a good first sinlge

Except for Better of course, which is almost universally loved the second anyone hears it.

I'd like the first single to be a ball busting rocker. Something we haven't heard yet.

me too.

The Blues sucks,   Better is ok,, TWAT blows, Maddy is too long for raido,...

It should be one of the "big guns" axl was talking about a few years ago.

Better should be the first single! We all know better  ::)

 I disagree. The Blues is one song that sounds like it could be played on many different formats. Both Rock, Top 40 and HOT AC. It would be more universally accepted among radio stations, which would mean more air play! It's also one of those ballads which Teens are suckers for. This song would start a whole new following for the Band. This would be a very good thing for Guns n Roses. It will get them back on the charts and in the public eye.

 I personally like it's catchy sound and meaningful lyrics. So I've ranked "The Blues" my favorite. It's the only new Guns song that actually effects me emotionally when I hear it. The rest of the leaked songs don't do that to me. So the Blues seems more powerful right out of the Box.

 I also think at one point ?Axl said "The Blues" was his favorite new song. Well it's mine too. So for all the reasons I've just mentioned, I am confident that "The Blues" would definitely be the smartest song to release first.

"The Blues" is a great song definitely, but not as the very first single. That can come as the second or third single, but not straight off the bat. The first single should be something simple, hard rocking, in your face, catchy and heavy. Whether that is "Better" or another song in the same kind of vein as "It's so Easy" or "Right Next Door to Hell", something relatively up tempo and direct and simple.

I agree. The Blues is actually my favorite of the new material we've heard. I liked it the second i heard it back in 2001. I like the newer updated version too. I think it has the potential to be a huge hit, but i don't think it should be the first single. In my opinion, the very first single should be , as i said earlier, a ball busting rocker. Something that shows all the doubters that Axl can still sonically assault you. Then release The Blues as single #2. That's my opinion anyway.

Yeah definitely. The singles should kind of complement each other. Start with an all out assaulter, then take it down a notch, something that is still heavy and rocks but with a bit of a different mood, and then that would set the tone for a song like "Madagascar"..

first single from gnr should be catchy, hard, modern, up tempo... the next one should be a little more tender-- your don't cry, sweet child-- and then the third could be a more complex epic type.

I know I'll get shit for this because most fans here think everything should happen in some box-like view of what record companies and bands usually do. But here goes....

How about re-recording and releasing "Civil War" as the first single? Was it ever released as a single during the UYI days? If not, then technically it COULD be released as a single and played heavy on radio rotation. And if you think a song like that wouldn't WANT to be played over and over again by DJ's in our current times, open up a real newspaper and think again. It really is ironic.


Annan : "Iraq almost in a state of civil war" - Hindustan Times - 2 hours ago
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1854449,00050001.htm

NBC Calls Iraq Conflict 'Civil War' - Washington Post - 2 hours ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/27/AR2006112701061.html

Smoke rises from an oil installation in Baghdad.
(This may as well be a Live web cam image... it's happening right now)
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/11/27/iraq.main/newt1.1745.smoke.afp.gi.jpg)

So many reasons why this is a bad idea.

Besides, Civil War is already part of the rotation for many rock stations.

There has to be an album for there to be a single. Its all fantasy land scenarios until there is concrete proof the album is coming out.

Brilliant, with proceeds going to UN food shipments for the starving children in Iraq (millions of them, many without parents).  How about Chinese Democracy or IRS as a "B" side.  Edward, this would be brilliant, especially around Christmas, and with the awful events unfolding as we speak in the Middle East.  This is a Humanitarian crisis, with two Civil Wars going on right now (Iraq, S. Lebanon), and a possible third in Kurdistan/Turkey. 

I'm pretty sure axl said on the Trunk show that they were planning to release Knockin on Heavens Door.

They should at least start playing it live.

Hell, we got civil war right here on these forums, we don't need GNR to tell us about it.

 Ed...what a dumb idea. Sorry but,it just is. For so many reasons. Here's a couple:

 1) THIS album is about THIS music. Not some fuckin' song from 1991,regardless of how apropos it might seem to you. This wouldn't happen for anything. Why release a rehash of some song when you've promised what you've been working on for 10 years?!? Why?!?!?

 ?2) Any DJ that is playing it now is doing so because it's their pitiful attempt to protest the war in Iraq because radio is so corporate. God forbid anyone say what one is really thinking,only because the other half of the listening public will disagree. "Hey I know! I'll play "Civil War!" That'll show Bush! Haha!" ?Dumb. ?
If this theater was REALLY in a full civil war,we'd all fuckin' know it. There'd be no news about Black Friday shopping,Paris Hilton and Britney Spears hangin' out,Michael Richards apologizing. It'd be the only thing on the news.? Only. NBC,etc. are talking about the possibility. Or should I say,they're HOPING for the possibility. Yes,you read correctly. They want this shit to happen. ?2 reasons: Ratings and it makes Pres. Bush look weaker. Brand it as such and his position will weaken. Period.

 3) It was already released as a single. I had the damn thing. The way things happen regarding record companies,is because they have a proven track record with things being done the standard way. The furthest your gonna see them think outside the box will be iTunes. I was hopeful for a turnaround on this matter,i.e.,the "surprise" release but,that doesn't seem feasible and/or seriously considered. I'm sure they'll want maximum exposure/sales.

? ?MATT

MATT A REAL FAN
 1) THIS album is about THIS music. Not some fuckin' song from 1991,regardless of how apropos it might seem to you. This wouldn't happen for anything. Why release a rehash of some song when you've promised what you've been working on for 10 years?!? Why?!?!?

"This" album? "This" music? Was "Don't Cry" and KOHD proper for UYI then?

If this theater was REALLY in a full civil war,we'd all fuckin' know it. There'd be no news about Black Friday shopping,Paris Hilton and Britney Spears...

Really? The number of people fleeing Iraq is equal to the Unites States having the entire city of Detroit haul ass every week.

The media?  :rofl:

I don't even feel the need to argue this. I just had an extra 2 minutes to respond to you while waiting for an important eMail.

The way things happen regarding record companies,is because they have a proven track record with things being done the standard way.

Like bands releasing albums every so often and not waiting 12 years in between? Like bands touring with very little promotion?

The furthest your gonna see them (record companies) think outside the box will be iTunes.

And they had to lose millions first to do that. Real smart those record companies.

In my oppinion, and mine alone, if Axl wanted to re-record and re-release the song it will be done. And you couldn't do anything about it. Maybe that's what really bothers you so much.  :hihi:

That still wouldn't make it sensible to release a track from UYI to promote Chinese Democracy, which was the point of the argument.

The worst thing this band could do at this time would be to re-record or re-release previously released material. ?They are already in danger of losing some of the fan base they have left due to delays of CD. ?We don't need GNR to tell us what is going on in Iraq.

When are you pulling the troops out of Iraq, George?

"Soon isn't the word."  :hihi:

Obviously it would be done as a wake up call. I assumed everyone would realize that. But that's my biggest problem... I assume too much.

But it's REALLY curious the reaction I get whenever I offer up an idea that's outside the usual box of thinking. There's always a few people who can't handle it. Over at mygnr I couldn't even keep up with the hail of fire that would come from a post like this. (Thank God this place is well moderated)

That's been happening all along though. The "Earth is Flat" people used to be that way. And then there were the people who wouldn't even LOOK into a telescope, and were ready to kill a man for just TALKING about the Earth not being the center of the solar system. Come to find out, not only are we not the center of the solar system, but...

(http://www.ecology.com/earth-at-a-glance/earth-at-a-glance-feature/images/1.jpg)

It's all just in good fun though! Of COURSE he's not going to do this.
FOCKER OUT! ;)

The first single should be.................................released.

Edward, I see what your point is and while it is noble I am sure you also realize that a band that takes a strong political stand to one side is going to wind up alienating half their fan base. 

GNR were never a "cause" band so for them to become one now would really make no sense, commercially or otherwise.

actually i think that is a good idea. That could get the fan base to expand to a newer generation and try to show them what "good music" really is. :yes:

so i say good idea edward ?:beer:

Bandita
Edward, I see what your point is and while it is noble I am sure you also realize that a band that takes a strong political stand to one side is going to wind up alienating half their fan base. 

So why did he WRITE the song?

GNR were never a "cause" band so for them to become one now would really make no sense, commercially or otherwise.

I spent the Spring and Summer in Europe this year. I can assure you that your perspective is one of being inside of the U.S. media's illusion. And also think about how many people they played for in Europe from June to September, compared to the U.S. If you take that into consideration, then our (U.S.) oppinion really doesn't matter from a dollar sign point of view. There's way more money to be made in Europe where eveyone thinks Bush is a joke.

But again, I'm not totally serious here about the idea. Just thinking about how funny it would be if he took that stand. John Lennon would have done it. But he's, well...

(http://www.instantkarma.com/images/seasonofglasssr.jpg)

Thanks. And it really is a good song. And besides, there'll be PLENTY of time for more singles!  :hihi:

Very well presented points one both sides. ?I say leave the poli-rock to Neil Young, Green Day, and Pink Floyd. I like my rock based on drugs, alcohol, sex, and f'd up relationships. If I feel "deep", I will buy some Ani Difranco cd's. ?

Although one politically orientated song won't hurt anyone. ?

The first single should be something mind blowing that maybe even the diehard fans haven't heard before (ie...sorry...prostitute....) but if we were to go with something heard obviously better has the most across the board appeal. As far as Civil War is concerned lets just hope they start playing it live again. Its an amazing song that should be included in the setlist. But releasing it as a single in 2006 would be insane. Guns n Roses need to move forward with what will be a very progressive single and album.

From a political/global standpoint I am totally on your side. ?I also lived in Europe for a time myself so please don't accuse me of being part of any media vehicle here meant to blind me from the truth. ?My standpoint has always been from a global perspective.

My point is that I don't need it served up to me in everything I listen to.

But I will take another group of my favorite musicians as an example-CSNY. ?When you think of them you think of peace, love, no war, down with consumerism etc...

John Lennon, the same....and sadly we know what happened to him for having strong views

I just don't think of these things when I think of GNR....and I kind of like them that way...

I like YOUR idea better than MINE!

ipoopie-
The first single should be.................................released.  : ok:

Bandita
From a political/global standpoint I am totally on your side.  I also lived in Europe for a time myself so please don't accuse me of being part of any media vehicle here meant to blind me from the truth.  My standpoint has always been from a global perspective.

My point is that I don't need it served up to me in everything I listen to.

But I will take another group of my favorite musicians as an example-CSNY.  When you think of them you think of peace, love, no war, down with consumerism etc...

John Lennon, the same....and sadly we know what happened to him for having strong views[/b]

 ::)

I just don't think of these things when I think of GNR....and I kind of like them that way...

I actually agree. And I thought those exact words when I first heard the song. That's why I'm wondering if any of this Iraq stuff is boiling up in Axl's brain... and whether he'll unleash... maybe a NEW "Civil War" type of song. That would be cool too.

Edward, I just wanted to let you know I totally enjoy the fact that you add something to this board besides useless speculation though.

You are a good writer and obviously a thinker and you get other people thinking. ?It's nice to debate topics like this instead of the usual sillyness. :peace: : ok:

first of all, can you imagine the shit Axl would get for re-recording an old song and releasing it as a single!?!?! no one would take this record seriously....also If i were Axl i would not get political...why alienate half your fan base?

That's where the illusion lies. My nephew is in special forces and he's told me some things about the oppinions of our forces over there. But I won't get him in trouble  :hihi:

Suffice to say, those troops are letting their relatives know how they feel. And the 50/50 illusion is about to bust wide open... in my oppinion anyway.

Haha, thanks.

Civil War is one of my favorite tunes, one of the reasons being that the content is different than your "typical" gnr. ?And yes Bandita, the discourse on this board is light years beyond other boards that shall remain nameless. More people here tend to have rational and cerebral thoughts beyond the all important and consequential taste great, less filling argument.

Thank you. And I totally agree with the bold. I'd much rather spend time with this thread than trying to explain and re-explain the split sheet thing... for what ever that's worth  :-\

edit- This would be a good question to ask Axl if a reporter with "real" questions ever gets to interview him.
"Do you have any songs on the new album that address the current situation in Iraq?"

I can't speak for everyone, but it would bug me a bit if Axl started getting all political. For instance, I am also a huge Prince fan, but a couple of his recent albums had religious and political vibes to them, and it really put me off. Then his latest album was back to making fun music, and it brought me back as a fan. It is a matter of taste, but I consider music a release and an escape. ?I already have my thoughts on politics, religion, what sucks about life, etc, so I don't want to listen to music that tone, even if I "agree" with the stance the music is taking. ?As Vince Niel once said..."I already know life sucks, I don't want to hear about it."

And as far as alienating people........I think all rock fans can come together and enjoy a song about a $1 bottle of shitty wine! What I love about GNR!!

That's true. I got that same vibe when M.J. went all spiritual. (That's it... I'll never be taken seriously again :) )

But maybe that's the mistake? Too many of those songs? I guess ONE song for the troops wouldn't hurt.  : ok:

Nah, I won't hold it against ya. MJ got me into Prince, but once I releazed they were nothing like each other,  I dropped MJ. 

 Yes, I agree with you, it is when it turns into some sort of a concept album that it runs the risk of putting people off. One or two songs with subtle and creative lyrics won't put me off at all, in fact I would probably enjoy them.  It is the "in your face" kind of lyrics that can turn people off. I was going to make that point in my last post, but didnt know where to place it.

Hasn't Toby Keith already done a few songs for the troops? (joke)

 1)Yeah Ed,they were proper. Because they weren't released on ANOTHER Guns N' Roses album already. They put "Sympathy.." on GH because it WASN'T on a GN'R album yet! Why don't they release a new version of "You're Crazy"?? Because it's dumb.


2)How many people know about those others fleeing?? I bet ya more people can tell ya who won the fuckin' Dancing with the Stars contest and what's going on with K-Fed then what's happening in Iraq!!

3)I'm sorry I didn't respond earlier,I had an important phone call to attend to.

4)Didn't I mention that I was in favor of the surprise release? You do know how to read English? Right? Que?

5)I didn't say the record companies weren't smart,I just stated what they viewed as a proven track record. Like having single first and then releasing the album. Change is scary,especially to large corporations. That's why iTunes took off,'cause it was new,good and it was virtually the only kid on the block. It's fuckin' 2006 and Microsoft finally jumped in with Zune. No one really wants to try something different until it's already been proven by someone else.? Then it becomes standard and we start over.

6)I don't care what Axl does or doesn't do you idiot. Maybe you're bothered because you're dumb fuckin' idea will never see the light of day! ?;D

Quit your fuckin' cryin' about other boards and the lack of discussion and otherwise. "Waah! I get criticized because I express ideas considered out of the box!"
Fuck you. I shot down your dumb idea not because you're a retard (which I'm starting to believe you might be) but,because you had a crappy idea. Get over yourself. ?
 
 Hey! Here's an idea! Why not release a NEW song Ed?!? One that is gonna be off the NEW album!!! Does that make any sense to you?!??

And stop trying to act like you are discussing meaningful.? It's GN'R fuckin' fan board,we're here to talk about music,so stick with that. I don't care who you know in"special forces" and what you think is gonna happen or whatever. That means nothing. We all know people douche.
If you wanna discuss global politics,keep your mouth shut or take it to the section of this board that isn't musically related.

? ? ? MATT

MATT A REAL FAN-
How many people know about those others fleeing?? I bet ya more people can tell ya who won the fuckin' Dancing with the Stars contest and what's going on with K-Fed then what's happening in Iraq!!

Thank you for explaining why the old "Civil War" or a new similar song would be perfect for the new album... to wake people up.  : ok:

If you wanna discuss global politics,keep your mouth shut or take it to the section of this board that isn't musically related.

Well that would be good advice if Axl hadn't already written a song about it... making it on-topic.

I don't feel the need to address personal attacks 'cause I've been around the block.  :smoking:

So back to the topic. I think the part where he says, "We practice selective anihilation of mayors and government officials to create a vacum, then we fill that vacum."

That's exactly like the U.S.'s "Deck of cards" of Iraq's most wanted. Then holding elections to fill the spots.

? ? Been around the block,have ya?? Well,that changes everything. You must be a big shot!? :nervous:? Where are my manners?!?
 
 You didn't ask for the band to have a "similiar song" YOU said to "re-release a new version of Civil War". Stay on YOUR Topic.
Yeah,Axl wrote about it and YOU said he should DO IT AGAIN,making it a DUMB Topic.? Still with the class Ed?

 If you meant he should write a new song with a new title,regarding the current situation in Iraq,then that's different. It's just stupid to say "They should put out an new version of Civil War!"

 So instead of holding elections,you wanna have them replace Saddam with what? A basic copy? Another dictator? It's official,you ARE retarded,Ed. Thank you for clarifying.?

 And for playing along.? Johnny,what do we have for him? Oh,it's a year supply of turtle wax. Sorry Ed!? :no: :'(? Wah-wah-waaaaaahh!

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Settle down bud.  You don't have to agree with him, but there is no need for personal attacks.  No one will see your point if you flood your post with name calling. I didn't agree with him either, but our conversation was civil and we actually found something we agreed on.

I still don't see your point in re-releasing it. If someone wants to cheer on the sentiments of a song that was released 15 years ago, then get the cd out and listen to it yourself.

If you're against America winning in Iraq, that's entirely up to you. But, if Axl were to do something so stupid, like re-release a 15 year old song to express discontent with the war, I know I'd never spend another dime on anything GNR related.

And, like I said in my first post, Civil War is part of the rotation on many rock stations. If you just want it out there for others to hear, call in and request it.

The thread evolved into a better idea. Go back and read through it.

I was just over at The Jungle and noticed Jarmo's post about politics. So sorry to Jarmo and everyone else. As I said, I don't feel the need to address personal attacks. But this is getting ugly and I didn't think it would take such a turn. So if the mods want to lock or delete, I'm okay with that. Even if it's locked with me on the recieving end of flames. Don't really care.

Civil War was already the 2nd single to be released bfore UYI, a nd with this many singles and vids do we need more UYI singles, I think it has been well drained of hits

the order was this
1 - Knockin on heavens door -studio - days of Thunder -soundtrack (radio single)
2- Civil War - Romanian charity album( raqdio single)
3- You could be mine - Terminator 2 - (video #1)
4- Don't Cry? ------- UYI gets released soon after(video #2)
5 - Live an Let Die (Vid 3)
6- November Rian (vid4)
7- Yesterdays (vid5)
8 - estranged (vid 6)

*** not to mention the 3 non-singles made into vids::video #7 "garden of eden", ::Video #8 for "the Garden"::Video #9 "dead Horse"

*** and 2 more european singles:: Civil War EP '93 & Knockin on Heavens Door (live) '92


13 singles and videos combined and you want a re-release, ya gotta lay off the crack, it makes your brain work kinda loopy

if you know rule #1 about maeketing a rock/metal CD,
#1 ballads are not the first single
#2 the first single will be heavy/type ricker sing to get the underground rocker fans to buy the CD before thye hear the ballad and become sick

it is the same as social classese, you start at the bottom and work your way up

ex. appetite
1 - Its so easy (UK) lower class broke ass rock fans
2 - Jungle ( lower class die hards again)
3 - Sweet child ( jocks driving dadys sports cars)
4 - Paradise city (by now all social classes love them. the roclers call them seell outs, and the jocks rock out to there favorite new band)
5 - Nightrain ( a failed attempt for some street cred, no video= no reaction)

actually, the lyrics are " calln' you"  ;)

For some reason I had it wrong when the song first leaked too but you are correct, it is "you".

Either way, I thought it'd be a great first single.

Does everyone else get this crazy lower right justification of the tour dates now the site has been updated?

the single should definatly be Silkworms. Just to piss off all of those fans that have been dying for the single. How funny would be that?   :hihi:

It's always been like that on my computer at home by my work computer it's fine