Here Today... Gone To Hell!

OK, something just came to me... :P

Axl refered to the people online as some "kid in Iowa"...
and saying that real fans go to see the band live, and have fun, and dont bitch....

I would really like to see how many people other than us "kids from Iowa", actually are the fans of the new band?!
I'd really like to know how many of those "real fans" actually know a single band member other than Axl?!

I'm sorry to say, but us "kids from Iowa" and "downloading motherfuckers" are the actual fans of the new band.
others are fans of the original Guns N'Roses, and/or fans of Axl Rose... but only fans of the current lineup are us!

so they are stuck with us as much as we are stuck with them :hihi:


just a little constatation of mine...
and I aint bitching... :rant:

"Kid in Iowa" is a generalization of those who do nothing but sit online and complain and don't attend shows....

What he was saying is that he plays for the enjoyment of those that are in attendance of that particular show, not the folks who are sitting home dissecting setlists on their computer.

that wasnt my point...

my point was, that the kid in iowa is still a greater fan than most of the people at the shows...
since the kid in iowa at least knows that the band is more than Axl Rose him self.


the "kid in iowa", might be a bitching pain in the ass, but he's still a fan...

How is someone who never bothers to see the band live but just complains on the internet a better fan than someone who actually attends the shows?

Axl never referenced this in regard to "downloading motherfuckers" anyway.  They are two separate entities entirely.....

I know that "kid in iowa"(KII) and "Downloading Mother Fucker"(DMF) are not the same.
but the "KII" is most probably a "DMF",
but a "DMF" doesnt necessarely need to be a "KII"


I doubt anyone online wouldnt want to see/hear the band live...


and still you dont get the point of this thread....



KII is still a fan of the new lineup as for the most of the people that go to arenas, are fans of Axl/OldGNR

Yeah I think you missunderstood what he said, he didnt mean anything bad to the people who attends to shows, it was something to the guyes who complaining but dont even attend to the shows and I totaly agree with him.

Shouldn't you know better than to post another topic on this Lucky.....?

KII=the guy/gal on here complaining they didn't play "Used to Love Her" instead of "Rocket Queen" at some show he wasn't even in attendance of.

DMF=The guy/gal who is playing "Better" and the rest of the new songs available for all his friends so they can hear what GNR sounds like now. ?Then when GNR comes to his/her town he/she gets tickets and rocks out to all the tunes, old and new.

I am a DMF. ?What are you? ;)

I know he didnt mean it....
and that's not what I was commenting....
I was saying that no matter how much the "Kid In Iowa" can be irritating, he's still a bigger fan than most of the people in audience...




I know that.. :confused:
but that wasnt the point...
I was saying that KII is still a bigger fan that many of the people in audience...


I'm a nobody... :crying:



there were so many similar threads on the board that I just couldnt make up my mind in which one to post it... :crying:

it's not necessarily about who is the bigger fan and who would or wouldnt come to the shows or whatever..
not everybody can fly across the world to see gnr doing shows.. rather;

the kid from iowa is in reference to fans who complain about the setlist and the shows and claims to be hardcore

the downloading motherfucker is people who download the leaks and hear what they're not necessarily supposed to and obsess over the new album

the downloading motherfucker at least supports the new band through the new music
the kid from iowa is just a pain in the ass

For all we know it could really just be some kid in Idaho that Axl has got problems with. :hihi:

for the 8th time in this thread;
the point was...
no matter how much the "Kid In Iowa" can be irritating, he's still a bigger fan than most of the people in audience...



I never asked for a semantics lessions

Exactly, thank you..... :beer:

The DMF is useful and Axl has never negatively referenced it. ?He makes jokes about it but he knows the DMFs are keeping the band alive by supporting the new music and the current incarnation of the band. ?Why else would he introduce songs at the shows by saying "this is for all you DMFs"

sorry bud i didn't mean it in an offensive way
i just mean like, we can all think were hardcore bigger fans, but the biggest gnr fans in the world arent necessarily on this postboard or on other postboards or even on the net.. they truly are the ones going out to the shows and supporting the band, going to multiple dates or whatever

we're just more obsessed rather, it doesnt necessarily make us bigger fans. im sure there are big fans around here though, im just saying its a big wide world out there yknow

Sure you did, you opened this thread. 

And now you just gave him one :hihi:

"I'm sorry to say, but us "kids from Iowa" and "downloading motherfuckers" are the actual fans of the new band.
others are fans of the original Guns N'Roses, and/or fans of Axl Rose... but only fans of the current lineup are us!"

what part of this dont you understand?!
I never said KII, and DMF are the same!
enough with it already...
learn how to read...

I understand your Karma count now.... ::)

I have no issue with reading comprehension, by the way, but if you post a topic up and someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they don't understand what you are trying to convey.  You post a topic and then say "Enough Already"?  You posted it, you are asking for response...

I also understand you are one of those "kids in Iowa" that Axl has referenced and that probably isn't a good thing! :rofl:

you made no constructive remarks...
and no matter how many times I explained it, you keept fucking up my damn thread...
how many times more did I have to write it for you to understand?!

here are my quotes you chose to ignore so many times...







and as for me being a kid in iowa, I dont mind...
I've seen them live, and I dont give a fuck about the bootlegs, especially since I know that every show is the same, so why bother.

he was just saying if you are not going to the shows, ?you have no right to bitch about the setlist....why in the world would someone who does not go to shows care about what songs are being played at the shows they are not going to?

Lucky, I don't agree with you.  Deal with it.  Cursing at me isn't going to make me change my mind.   ;)


Exactly. 

For the 94957394075730407845684560844659345th time: The band plays shows for people who are in that venue at that point in time.

Not for their "biggest fans" who are reading updates on message boards.

When those "biggest fans" attend a show, the band are playing for them.


It's not a competition about who the biggest fan is.

Get it?




/jarmo

Do you like football? Do you have a favorite football team?
If you do, do you not care at all about the team line-up and the score of the games you cannot attend? Do you not check that online or on tv on on the radio?
You probably wait for that one game when they'd play in your home town and you can afford tickets for. The hell with the rest of the season, right??

THAT WAS NOT THE POINT!!!

I know what he was saying, but I say weather he likes it or not those Iowa Kids are bigger fans than most people in the audience!!!
!!!1!!!ONE!!!11ONE!!!



I dont care about you...
and I dont care if I change your mind or not, since you dont even know what I'm talking about.

It could matter for different reasons. Say you're going to a later show, isn't it fair to express your concern on the setlist you'd probably hear? Or you could think the current setlist would hurt the attendence of the tour, since you don't want your favorite band to fail, you're a little worried.

There are many reasons why a die hard fan can feel disappointed with a setlist to a show they didn't attend.

You sound like a broken record.



Imagine buying concert tickets and travelling to a show, then finding out the artist isn't actually playing for you. Instead he'll make one guy in Iowa happy by playing his favorite songs. Fuck the 15000 people in the arena who actually spent money on tickets. Play for that one guy who's not there because he's your "biggest fan".


Most artists don't play concerts for their "biggest fans" who aren't there.... It makes perfect sense.



/jarmo

that football analogy was quite possibly the worst one i have ever seen in my life. :)

I am glad you said it!!! ;D

i can work with the analogy...
yeah but you're not going to bash the team and bitch if you don't like the line-up (or rather, their choice of plays), you're going to support the team and be glad they're winning!

"what the fuck?  they ran the ball AGAIN?  they did that last week!" <------have you ever said that?

!1ONE!1!!!

Not the point dude. I'm not saying they should change/shuffle/whatever the playlist, I dont care.
I also wasnt saying who is the bigger fan, and I definitely wasnt saying that I'm the biggest fan(or that I want to be a fan at all)
And I know that the band plays for the people that are at the venue, and I have no problem with that, or anything else for that matter...

but my point was plain and simple.
I was reffering to the "Iowa" statement...
the point of the discussion would be (not the semantics as some people chose to discuss), but Axl making the people that go to a single show
more GNRsupportive, than a "Kid in Iowa" that probably has/is going to see the band more times, spend much more money to see them,
and his only sin is that he chooses to bitch (with/without a reason)...

that was the point...


damn...
I hate it when you people jump to conclusions and go into "axl advocate" mode when there's no reason to...

Lucky, you fail to realize what Axl even meant by what he said.

The KID IN IOWA is NOT at the show. 

You are mis-interpreting it entirely hence your point is well...moot.

I ralise that

you fail to realize my point, so please, stop posting in this thread, since all you can cause is more chaos, and make this thread go into a more wrong direction that it has already gone...


or even better... could a mod lock/delete this since I have absolutely no more interest/will/power/time to discuss this

Look, it doesn't matter how many shows the guy goes to. He's not at the show he's actually whining about.

It's like me complaining about the current weather in London right now.

I've been there many times and spent a lot of money there, and I'll go there again in the future. But it's kinda pointless to complain about it when I'm not there. Don't you think?




/jarmo

"I don't have anything against the bootlegs and photos"

"but the people who are bitching about the setlist and it's some f%%khead in Iowa that doesn't even go to a show...."

Try watching this until you understand it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhSa1_Cmu0

Well, what if the weather is bad, and the reports state it will stay bad for a while, and you're going there in 2 days?

Maybe then I'd cancel my trip it was such a big deal.



/jarmo

Yeah, one might. But the point is if it's reasonable for someone not attending a specific show to have concerns.

when was the last time a NY team won anything?
apparently you need something more than a heart to play successfully - it is called brains.

GNR isn't a friggin football team.

But do you stop loving your team when they play a bad game and convert to loving a new team?  Or do you keep supporting them?  I come from NY and we support our teams wholeheartedly here which is why your example fails to make sense to me.

Last I checked fans were not fair weathered.

After reading this thread its clear that the only one who isn't understanding is Lucky.

He seems to think everyone is out to get him.

So the "kid from Iowa" is a bigger fan than most people in the audience.. whats your point? Doesn't seem like your thread was relevant in the first place. Unless I, like the other 7 people who posted in this thread "against you," am "wrong/not getting it" and you are "right"... in which case, enlighten me.

Explain what you were trying to say.. because if it was just "the kid from Iowa is a big fan" then why make a thread about it?

And don't explain yourself by saying "omgggg nobody gets me! im leaving the thread"

If you say something that makes sense then I'll side with you. But from what I've read in this thread everybody "gets it" but you.

not exactly what I was saying, but there's no other way to illustrate it but this way..

I was saying that it's pathetic, but in fact the big part of the new bad's (and by band I mean all 9 of them), fans are kids from iowa...
and despite the fact that the band is playing for the people that are at that moment in the arena, the people in the arena are not the fans of the new lineup,
because a person who doesnt know the lineup, cant be a fan of it, and since most of them didnt hear the new music, they cant be fans of the new music either.

technically only kids from iowa (except "Downloading motherfuckers" -which I guess is a good), are the fans of the new band, and it wont change...
well not anytime soon..

and ah...
fuck it....
it was a lame thread to start with...
even I dont know what I was trying to say anymore... ;(

I agree.


You think the regular fans want to hear only Appetite? If Axl would play in venue X WTTJ, SCOM & PC, in venue Y WTTJ, P & PC and in venue Z WTTJ, NR & PC would the regular fans and the KII be happy ;)

Also, most people in the crowd don't know who are playing, in Helsinki there was someone singing Wild Horses during Finck's & Fortus' solo, FFS, the KII does know who are. KII also would attend every concert he could despite the setlist but still he would like to see it change.

It all comes to this, KII is a bigger fan than most people in the concerts. How couldn't he be, he cares enough of the band to check every concerts setlist, even he didn't attend them.

As long as you know it was a lame thread to start with then all is ok.   ;)  I've been a fan of this band for well over half of my life and I go to concerts, download\collect live shows, download leaks, listen to MOSTLY the new band these days and I don't bitch about the setlist.  So does that mean that I'm not a "real" GN'R fan because I don't OBSESS over the songs they play each night?? Because I don't bitch like the "fan in Iowa" about everything that this band does or doesn't do??  I think there is a difference between being OBSESSED with a band and being a fan of a band. 

I don't think the real fans of the band CONSTANTLY have to bitch about something the band is doing wrong.  To me that is on the verge of obsession.  If someone is just a fan of a band and it's music, then what the hell would be the point to constantly bitch about something you have no control over??  Is it because those people are so obsessed with the band that they think they have control over everything that happens?  I have so much shit going on in my life, as I'm sure plenty of people here do, that I don't have time in my thoughts to worry about if Perfect Crime might be finally played tonight or "if CD doesn't come out this year then I will die."

A real fan voices their opinion, whether it be good or bad, but doesn't dwell on something for weeks at a time and actually let it ruin their day.  THERE ARE PEOPLE here that seem to live through this band and that is sad to me.  If this band didn't exist then these certain people would have no reason to go on with life.  THAT MY FRIENDS IS OBSESSION.  If I'm wrong then explain to me what I am wrong about PLEASE.  It's no different than when a guy or girl is obsessed with another guy or gal.  They think they cannot go on if this certain person is not in their life.

If CD doesn't come out this year it will suck but it won't be the end of the world like some of you think.  I won't STOP listening to the band or threaten to "only download" the album when it's released if it's not out by Dec. 31, 2006.  I won't sit here and cry that, "Axl broke his promise to me, he promised the album would be out."  That's stupid because afterall it is only an album from a band that we are simply "fans" of.  It should be nothing more than that.  A release date shouldn't determine whether I eat today or starve myself.

My point is that being obsessed doesn't make you a bigger fan than everyone else.  Just because GN'R is your entire life and you have nothing else, doesn't mean you are a bigger fan than any of us.  I'm a huge fucking fan of this band and love the music, the energy, the history and just about everything else about GN'R, but I won't let a band that I am not even in, ruin my days because of what they do or don't do.  I'm a big fan and not an obsessed crazy mother fucker like so many here.  There is a line that divides those two types of people in this forum.  The biggest fans of GN'R in the world are the people of this forum that are just like me.  The ones that aren't preoccupied every single second of the day with a thought of GN'R in their head.

EDIT:  Oh and Lucky, this wasn't directed towards you personally.  I was just making a general statement and the people I was talking about will know who they are. 

Of course to be a fan you don't need to complain about anything but GN'Rs current state is very complicated so accepting blindly everything Axl does is just supid.

And, yes, it's extremly stupid to do "downloading-oaths" etc., that's negative obsession (to come here daily only to complain when following the band/Axl on daily basis is very obsessed but in a good way, IMO.

It's a good thing I didn't say that then, right??  If you re-read my message I said, "A true fan voices their opinion, whether it be positive or negative..."