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if you're referring the the del james article, read it again carefully. he's just saying that frank and ron are play trcks off chinese democracy live for the tour, not that they were rerecording bucket and brain's parts

The indication from the article was that Ron and Frank have recorded additional parts for music on the album. At no stage was there any specific indication made that they were re-recording anybody else's parts, they were simply adding to what was there, whether it is a complete track or a new track Axl recorded this year or something

Agreed.  I got that they participated in recording for the album.  Anything beyond that, in my opinion, is more speculation and rumor.

I think that Del James' article contributed to the "No CD in 2006" rumor the most.
it asked some questions that never got answered and the removal of the article didnt help at all...

It is. indeed If you read anything about Brain or Buckethead's parts being re-recorded at any time, that is complete speculation. It isn't even a rumour. People are just concerned.

Just while you bought this up, if you would allow me please this one instance..
Has anybody else noticed even Merck has laid off his expected 'there are X tuesdays left in 2006" response?

What I've noticed is that Merck hasn't said *anything* since then (has he?).  There's a big difference between not repeating his original statement and not saying anything at all / disappearing...

It seems Axl has spanked the band members and its management with the silence stick again. Everything is on hold again.

I have no idea if things are on hold again, but it certainly seems like no one is speaking out of turn...if nothing else, I'd say there's a pretty heavy gag order in effect.

Apart from odd emails, nothing.
Like yesterday, he answered to my email following the latest rumours about a single coming out with the tracklisting as "Better" / "The Blues" / "The Blues" (The second version assumed as an alternate recording or remix or something), as well as a recent tracklisting mentioning a new song tiitle "Iron March", as well as an extra cd that would be released with the album containing live tracks from the European tour, and his response to all this was

"Everything you have been told below is rubbish. When we announce our news there will be no doubt that it is genuine."

I profusely thanked him for answering my question, and asked him in closing if the album was still on schedule for a release on a tuesday before the end of the year, to which, as of 10:43AM 24/11/06 Australian Eastern Standard Time, he has not responded to.

we shall know everything in the next 10 days...

why you say? The time frame?? if the beginning of december comes and no new news, i dont think its coming this year..

Yeah, I wouldn't say straight away, but if by early December, news is still thin, we can slowly start to wonder, unless of course they plan to announce, promote and release on very short notice, which is still a possibility.

Frank told me he recorded 5 tracks on Chin Dem, and that was it. He said it wasn't secret and that's why I included it in my Backstage @ MSG article.

Reading into it... which is ONLY reading into it, when someone like me phrases a question using the word "Tracks," it's commonly referred to in the music business as a song from beginning to end. So it could be any combination of 1 to 5 new tracks (songs) or 1 to 5 that were already there and were recorded over. I didn't ask so I don't know. (i.e. 1 old and 4 new.... 4 old and 1 new, etc., etc.) At any rate, if he recorded over ANY of Brain's tracks it wasn't to dis Brain, and probably had more to do with Frank being a team player and Axl rewarding him for it. (in my oppinion)

With that said, it seems to me like all of these mysterious and "secret" aspects of the new album only extend as far as people and reporters' inability to ask the right questions. ("My responses are limited... you must ask the right questions"- iRobot) That's why I said in my article that the LAST thing I was gonna do was ask Frank when the album is coming out. Not only is he probably not in the loop on that, but it throws the whole conversation into a "Oh God... another person looking for dirt and band secrets." It would be like asking a newly engaged famous person, "Where are you getting married?" Where as, through casual conversation you could probably ask what kind of D.J. he would like to have at his wedding... cheezy 80's, 80's & 90's rock, techno, etc., etc.

I don't think I've ever seen a reporter ask Axl why he has lyric monitors on stage. I think I know the answer, but most reporters want to know if he's marrying his new girlfriend... if it's true he made a U.K. audience wait in the heat while he ate freshly catered lamb chops (which isn't true)... if he thinks the tour is a failure because not every show is full, etc., etc.

So in my oppinion, you can ALL blame the evil MEDIA for everything you DON'T know about ChinDem, because the media doesn't WANT to know why Axl has lyric monitors. They want to keep making nasty remarks about how he probably can't remember his own lyrics because that sells magazines and newspapers. The truth, in fact, can be figured out by anyone just by watching Axl perform, as well as how he "manages" the first ten rows of the audience... which often has at least 10 trouble-makers peppered into it. And he does it so everyone else can enjoy the show. It would be a whole lot easier to ignore everyone, do his job, and take the money and run.

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I forgot something. Even though I never heard anything about a time frame for the release of ChinDem, I DIDN'T pick up any vibe like anything was "wrong" at that point. (MSG Nov. 10) It seemed very festive, and like everyone WAS still excited about the new album finally arriving before or near the end of the year.

good post..

I think to paraphrase what your saying is that the media wants GNR and this tour to fail, so theyll spread any sort of shit about him, rumors saying that the cd wont come out this year, that he doesnt care about fans etc..

axl wont let that happen..

You are correct. And unfortunately for the true fans, the only way to stop that from happening is for him to talk to NO reporters.

Ok, that's great you feel that way, but if the CD doesn't come out this year as Axl has stated, he'll get the bashing the media is most assuredly gonna give him. It'll be relentless.

There are just as many media types that want Axl and GNR to succeed as there are that want him to fail.

The overall interest, though, is dwindelling.

Bigbri wrote-
Ok, that's great you feel that way, but if the CD doesn't come out this year as Axl has stated, he'll get the bashing the media is most assuredly gonna give him. It'll be relentless.

I agree. But I think he would make a statement to the fans about why it's late and would give us another date BEFORE the media has a go at him... in my oppinion.


That's where you're wrong. The REPORTERS might like him. But their bosses are evil scum that don't deserve to share oxygen with us. I mean that.

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True, and the waiting doesn't help. Besides, it's amazing what power people believe the media have. The media can't make Axl fail, only Axl can. The media can't make the tour fail. The media is an easy scapegoat. How about looking at the actions coming from the GNR camp.

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there dude.

It's too bad you think that way. Because I'm on the inside... and have been since 1986. And I've been watching my country go down the toilet and turn into a Chinese democracy for 20 years... and most of it is the fault of the media.

I don't ENJOY telling Europeans backstage that I prefer living in England than America. I don't ENJOY appologizing for that little prick in The White House. It saddens me.

I think it's the "In"action that bothers you so much. But Axl and Merck aren't required to do and say things just because some impatient or spoiled fans want them to. (not necesarily alluding to you)

I don't disagree that the country's in bad shape or that GW is a prick, but what does the media have to do with that? The media also hates GW if you believe in the liberal media argument that right wingers throw around.

As for GNR, it was Axl who said the CD was coming out this year. If the media wants to hold him to that, that's their right. Now, with just a month left in the year basically and no CD in sight, what do you expect people to be asking about? Personally, I've given up on 06 and don't expect it this year, so I'm not impatient. I'm just waiting for the inevitable Axl-vs.-media showdown when the announcement is made. And, I'll have to say, Axl and Co. painted themselves into this corner. The media had nothing to do with it.

By the way, when you say you're on the inside, what exactly do you mean?

Yes, we'll keep the politics out of this.

Inside? My family was involved in a landmark court trial in October of 1987. It resulted in worldwide media attention. That was when we learned what the media does. When you (me) sit in court all day and hear every word, and then the media ... EVERY station and EVERY newspaper reports ONLY on the dirt and sensational stuff, that's when you know.

So for example, when O.J. went on trial, I KNEW that we all had no idea what went on in the trial and that NONE of us had the right to express ANY oppinion on his guilt or innocence based on two minute news segments of 8-hour court days.

Then the inside stuff continued as I got into the music biz.... same shit, different reporters.

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i think it'll be great if they're actually on CD.
if buckethead is still on CD, then it will already been dated before it's release

It's already severely dated by way of at least half of the songs that are expected on it.  The personnel is the least of my concerns at this point.

if Frank recorded 5 tracks from the new album does this mean that Brain is out??

has anyone seen Brain at all on the North American leg of the tour?

I think it's safe to say Brain is out and frank is in. I like it personally Frank Is awsome and has tonnes of energy and enthusiasm for the band. Brain much like buckethead in my opinion always seemed distant and didnt really seem to have his heart in it, its no seceret that they are buddies . I always saw them as a combo pack....I think they were both in it for the money.

when was the last time brain played with them?

soemtime in the summer....brain is just takinga leave of absence...he'll be back

thats quite along leave.... hes missed most of the tour.

his wife had a kid and he left the tour to be with his family...his last show was Paris France, June 20th i think

any idea when hes supposed to be back??

whenever he wants to be? maybe he's taking a parental leave...how long is parental leave in the states? its like 6 months in canada for fathers

It's really just Brain and the band being fortunate enough to have two team player drummers. Brain made it perfectly clear that he would do the U.S. tour... no problem, if Frank didn't want to or couldn't stand in. We should ALL be glad that our favorite band has 2 drummers. They're Spinal Tap proof!  :hihi:

because they said so?

I'm sure we already have 10+ pages of this discussion already, don't we??  They are going to be on the album, so leave it at that.

Yep, that's what it boils down to! :hihi:

Well FWIW, I met Ron after the show in Ottawa (he was very cool, came over to spend some time with about a dozen of us who had waited out back of the arena after the show) and I asked him if he is playing in any of the songs on the new album and he said "a few."

Nothing earth-shattering there I'm sure, as you said, I believe it's widely known he is on the album, but I definately got it right from the horses' mouth.
I didn't press him to elaborate if he had re-recorded parts or if it was new material, but there is no question he is on the new CD.

This shouldnt hold up anything so I hope, but glad to hear they will be on it.