Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just listened to OMG for the first time in about a year, and as I was listening I realized how bad the chorus to the song sucked.  the choruses to all of the new leaks suck as well, and are definately the parts of the songs that are going to limit their popularity.  Axl used to write such catchy choruses - most of the choruses on AFD, Lies, and UYI were great.

And the verses are still really good, it's just the choruses.  WTF happened?

Its just song structure differential.

no, it's not that.  the songs still have choruses, they just suck.

i dont know if "sucks" is the word
but yeah, choruses are not what is building the songs i guess, from what he heard

madagascar / twat have a very unique construction model. amazing.

there aren't really choruses as far as i'm concerned...these songs are so different as far as structure is concerned.

Exactly. And let's not put down his ability before we heard the whole album.

but he has a point on the catchy choruses. i dont know if it's good or bad.

better is pretty catchy. in an annoying way. i can smell cellphone ringtones already :)

Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't have a "catchy chorus". It still is an amazing track...




/jarmo

IRS has a lot of potential to become new PC, it just needs more power. TWAT has a pretty catchy chorus IMO as well as Better..

you've gta admit the man has a point there!

I agree. If only the guitars are more upfront in the studio version of IRS (like they are in the live version), the chorus is catchy like hell.

Gonna call the President! YEAH!

i notice that a catchy choruse makes u earlier tierd of the song.
I wont say Better has a catchy choruse either. Not Estranged, Not Coma.. But they are still masterworks!

Catchy choruses can work, but the main flow in a song, and the whole setting is the important thing.

argh...  what do you mean 'there aren't really choruses.'  do you know what a chorus (aka. refrain) is???  It's not defined by how good it sounds, and a chorus doens't have to be 'catchy,' which is how you guys seem to define it.  it's funny how you all jock axl so much and excuse the shitty choruses by saying "hey man, they're not choruses, they're just structured differently."  that's total BS.

And besides, musicians don't usually have to "lose" any ability.  They just evolve, and sometimes it's for the worse... and sometimes it's for the Better.  :hihi:

But jarmo, Bohemian Rhapsody doesn't have a chorus at all.  I'm not saying a song requires a chorus to be good (stairway to heaven another example), but if the song does have a chorus it should be the hook of the song.

I mean...any Chevelle song i hear, you know what the chorus is, its very formulaic.  These songs don't have THAT traditional radio rock structure.

And again, Coma and Estranged don't have choruses!!!!  do you guys know what a chorus even is?

The songs are what they are.

I don't think they should add catchy choruses to them just to make people like you happy.



Coma has no chorus either.

I guess something happened to Axl's ability in 1991 then?

You're basing this on a few songs, why not base everything on one song released in 1991 and say he "lost his ability" back then? Ridiculous speculation.



/jarmo

Most of gnrs best songs dont have a catchy chorus, only radio pop songs really have them. Estranged, Coma, And Nov rain three of gnrs best ever are not catchy. Btw better is catchy with the no one ever told me I was alone part. CD the song when all i got is precious time is catchy, so they do have some catchy songs that we hvae heard so far

It's not like every song has to have a chorus. Some songs just do better without them.

i would say thay have.. just because they dont sound the same, because Axl sings different some instruments are playing the same way
and i concider that a chorus.
Just because they dont sound poppy, there can be a chorus in a song.

just because you think it sucks doesnt mean it actually does

Perhaps wait until you hear the new album before making such a ..........comment

And it can't be worse, if it's better.

A friend of mine said that once. So true.

"Oh my god I can?t deny this"? I love every bit of the song.

What is the typical catchy chorus like? Like born in the USA oh oh?
Maybe I don't like catchy choruses.  :-\

Izzy left.

When you listen to Izzy's music you also miss Axl's verses (sometimes).

Jarmo, I'm not saying that the songs need choruses.  There are many great songs by many artists that don't have choruses.  what i'm trying to say is that in those songs that have choruses, they are nowhere near as good as the old choruses.  that's all.

Anytime I listen to Better, I have the chorus stuck in my head. IRS has a catchy chorus. The other songs aren't really radio-friendly, so a typical hook-chorus isn't necessary.

The Best Thing about AXL besides his Fantasic deep toned singing voice and sweet twang that thrills me is his remarkable play on words, Im thrilled to suggest that Axl writes as poetic as Jim Morrison and as political as John Lennon, keekee.....those are the only traits Axl has that I like.... :D

Argh! What a display of ignorance! I mean, come friggin' on... The guy (nonlinear) has a very good point, and is very good at explaining it, yet some people seem to filter out everything that actually makes any sense on this forum.

Let me try to summarize:

        1. Not all songs need choruses.
        2. Not all great old GNR songs have choruses (NR, Coma, ...).
        3. Some great old GNR songs have great choruses (PC, SCOM, Don't Cry, ...)
        4. Better, TWAT and IRS all have choruses, so does OMG.
        5. In all of the above songs (except OMG), the verses are very good, of exceptional quality.
        6. In Better, TWAT and IRS, the choruses are not very catchy, nor very good.
        7. A catchy chorus is not necessarily a good chorus (OMG, for instance).

Please note that some of the above mentioned statements are of course my opinion, and there's no accounting for taste. But, please, try to discuss the points that the man is actually trying to make instead of missing the point completely and using the "differently structured", "we don't need choruses", "choruses make a song sound poppy" arguments to counter his (or my) opinion about the choruses (which are, in fact, very much present) in the new songs.

Halle-fuckin-luiah!  Finally someone with some damn sense on this board!  thanks for aggregating and clarifying the points : ok :

It has to be pointed out that no one here has heard the album yet.

well isn't it obvious that good ideas must have an end sometime?  ;)

Yeah the chorus' aren't that good I suppose. They're ok but they're no paradise city style. In better I don't even know what the chorus is. Is it that "No one ever told me...." part or the "all that I wanted was...." part? But I actually think the Oh My God chorus is pretty good , but a little muddy. The verses to that song really blow though.