Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I got this from Cd.com
there's no way to tell if its for real or not.
I dont care if this gets deleted... I think it's a bunch of poop.


After Monday nights gig, I asked the drummer Frank what tracks he's been working on. He couldn't tell me. Why? He's not allowed to discuss it. Please? Sorry he can't. Anything, please? He said that he worked on the title track recently along with a couple new ones. He did alot of free-style drum beats, but they are just scraps, not actual songs. Favorite Track?? Better, Maddy and Broken. My eyes lit up when I heard him mention a title that I never heard of before. I asked him what Broken sounds like. He said sorry, but he can't discuss it any further.

This guy Dan, that I met at the gig, was at the so called after-party at Bubbles Mansion, he didn't see any band members, but he claimed to have seen a disc with three track on it. 1. "Better" & 2. "The Blues" and 3 was also "The Blues" but some kind of edit or remix or alt. take. It was on a disc with cover art similar to the curtains behind the stage at the live shows. He thought it was the upcoming single, but they never played it. The guy that worked at the club was showing it around because it was autographed.

Take it and beat off, or whatever you guys do to rumours.
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the guy who posted that.. im pretty sure its the guy who actually runs the eatmysilkworms site..jackamo i think he is otherwise known as? the chris pittman freak? ...

Yeah, it's one of the Pit(god)man freaks. Probably bull.

well, it sounds reasonable imo. All that stuff happened, better has a good chance of being 1st single and the coverart of a single usually isn't top notch. Would be cool to have 2 versions of The Blues!

Dude, I'd be happy with one version of the blues.

You know, it doesn't sound that far fetched.

yeah that part seems like a possibility.. but.. yeah i dunno..
it would make sense though..studio version of better..a studio version of the blues..why not.. and yeah i guess..some sort of remix..or maybe a live version? i won't speculate anymore though until there is some sort of confirmation..

but i did figure, and yeah, makes sense, to have another song we've already heard as a bside, and i guess fill in the gap for one more..so yeah a live version or something..

Exactly. If it sounds very reasonable, or not reasonable at all, it's usually bullshit. The truth is in the middle.

true. just for the sake of clearing up any rumours or speculation before it gets out of hand, if anybody who reads this has an email for Merck or somebody in that capacity, can you please just advise them of this development and seek their confirmation as to whether such a disc may exist, especially if a anonymous club employee has got a copy of it?

dont we already have enough versions of the blues live?
I doubt they'll put a live blues as a b-side.
we have numerious soundboard recordings of it...

If true, then Frank and Ron are re-recording the new material in lieu of Brain and Buckethead.  :o

as i say i'm not in a position to try to debate the contents of such a single, but even if it was a single, well I guess it would be good to have something from an official source, and most people out there who may buy such a single wouldnt have heard a live bootleg of it.. i really don't care what they would put on a single though...they can put p.diddy remixes of "Better" for all i give a fuck..if the single was to come out, fuck, thats it the wait is over we're getting somewhere. but let's wait and see..

jarmo? anyone?

only us who would buy the single.
other people just dont care.


P.S. I think the whole thing is just bullshit.

i'm sure its all bullshit as well, but i think if a single was to come out, people would care. alot. every fan, old school follower, casual music fan, bandwagon jumper, hipster, hater, criticiser and disbeliver and all their merry men would buy that en masse for a first sample of the new album and whats to come.. i really hope a part of that report is right..

I don't care if Brain's parts are scratched. But Axl should leave Buckethead's parts on the record : twat's final solo is great. And if Bumblefoot is going to re-record everything, it could take a hell of a time. :confused: :confused:

And it'll never be half good as buckethead's work

I don't think they're going to re-record everything. Bumble may add a few solos or guitar parts. as for Frank.. actually it does make the rumour posted a bit more credible.. i didnt think theyd re-record entire drum tracks,, that'd be a nightmare.. Frank probably added more rythmic drum parts as loops or additional layers. well thats what i would have thought anyway.

 :hihi:

If Broken is a song then Axl has got much better at coming up with song titles since the 2000 intentions days... cocaroach soup...

AND LEAVE BUCKETS TWAT SOLO ALONE, GOD DAMN IT!

yeah i agree, but i think bumble did a pretty good job matching it live from the bootleg i heard.. his guitar isn't the most audible either..the sound cuts in and out especially with all the other guitar layers.. and remember bumble has only played it live..Bucket never did.. i'm not saying buckethead used studio wizardry or anything like that to his advantage, but things are a bit more paced in the studio, whereas live, its a rather complex? and persistent solo guitar part so it may possibly get a little bit sloppy or off cue.. if you haven't heard Bumble in the studio go and check out his solo albums, he does have the technicality to do it, and remember also he's still only pretty new in the band and they haven't played that song live alot. Thats not to say i dont like bucket's guitar part on the demo, of course he fucking nails it, im just saying give Ron a chance yet..

I'll give Bumble a chance, but I'm attached to Buckets TWAT solo. Oh, what could have been :'(

Someone needs to get into contact with Baz to confirm if Broken is real and give a description :hihi:

i know what you mean, Bucket's solo is great...we'll just have to wait and see

No one thinks that Ron just might play the same solo, or even improve on it? In that case, let them change it. I am sure it won't be anything dramatic.
With all the recent positive reactions on Ron's playing I can only hope they put him on the album. It would make it a genuine Guns 'N Roses album!

fuck that.
it would be shit.
let the guy who wrote it play it.
its a shame that such great artists have to play someone elses music.

Jackamo has been proven to be a liar on several occasions, so I do not trust this at all

This is bullshit. Frank is not Bach, he would never tell people an unkown song title.

why not? you know Frank?

True, but who knows....one thing we gunners need to learn/have learnt is to take these rumours with a tiny little pinch of salt  ;)

Is Frank actually Bach? :o

yeah but we are talking about the same source .... eatmysilkworms :peace:

could be true....could be fake but i can't really see frank doing parts on CD if Ron hasn't done any :P

Ron and Frank HAVE done tracks for the cd.. thats why the "warmup" dates before the tour were resheduled... so axl could do some last minute recording..

Hey and do you know that I met Axl yesterday. We drank a couple of beers with him and he said that he was not allowed to tell me anything about the single or the release date. Bullshit!

I'd have thought by this point we'd have stopped beleiving rumors and assuming we knew facts...ron has said numerous times that he came to the plate too late to do any recording for Chinese Democracy

and whats the last time bumblefoot said that???

people have asked him if hes on the cd, and yes said yes.. people have asked frank if hes on the cd and hes said yes... not just this one time, but other times...

not to mention the Del James article stating that BBF and Frank did some recording of Chinese Democracy tracks..

Has anyone stated that BBF and Frank did some recording of Chinese Democracy tracks?

Del James.

I thought that didn't happen ;)

but other than that i've never seen a statement directly from frank or ron saying they had recorded for chinese democracy...can somebody post those quotes please?

LOL! This CD is never coming out. Is it me, or is it every time someone quits and is replaced, their tracks have to be re-recorded by the new person. I don't know to what extent this is happening, but face it, the album is not out, nor does it appear to be any time soon (of course I hope I'm wrong). With the general slow-burn turnover in this band, how long will it be before someone is re-recording all of Stinson's parts (he look miserable every time I've seen him on stage. Perhaps he's just trying to look cool and/or busy)? Flame away, all!

Has it ever been stated parts have been RE-recorded? Can nobody be happy with the fact those two guys contributed on the album? I think Axl might just have done that out of respect for their contribution to Guns 'N Roses and for them being also IN the band. So I am glad he did and LATE FALL is still to come.

Maybe the parts were re-recorded so that buckethead and whoever doesn't get royalties.

we're at the point where we dont even know what Chinese Democracy could be.

It could be quite different to what we expect. ?ie - it might be the name of the trilogy of albums that axl was talking about back at the Docklands, London gig in 2002. ?So if Ron and Frank did some recording for CD (the trilogy) - they still might not be on the first cd (whichmay not be titled chinese democracy) - but they might be on something soon to follow.

just a thought. who knows! ?relax! ?go with the flow - I am happy to wait as i know from what I've seen and heard this year - it WILL be worth waiting for.

I dont think merk will be particularly interested in answering emails regarding people pressing for song titles at this stage, dont bug the guy.

besides, no statement claims they did some recording of Chinese Democracy tracks. Not even the one that didn't happen. to play a few new tracks that will be on cd wouldn't necessarily imply some recording on cd, lets alone rerecording.

Yeah, I'm sure that they'd drop a few thousand dollars on re-recording so they can deprive ex-members of  0.001 cents per unit.

Are you kidding? If there is ANY form of lawsuit (and Axl knows about those things), it will cost a whole heck of a lot more than .001 cent per unit after you factor in all the legal fees. You don't get out much, do you?

You think that Buckethead would start a lawsuit because GNR used his parts (produced under contract) on the album and paid him royalties? I don't follow your logic. Maybe I don't get out enough, if that's how the world works these days.

Exactly and all statements we do have from ron or others in the band (richard, tommy, dizzy) clearly state that Bucketheads parts are remaining and that rond came too late....if ron came too late then you can bet your ass that frank did too....unless there has been a total 180 degree turn


IF this is true and what was in the Del James article, to me, said that the recording was for the followup album ;)

And why would Axl withold royalties from any contributer? if he still lets the orig band get royalties i can't see this being any different...but of course the album needs to be out before royalties are a concern :hihi:

The second part of that question; Why wouldn't Axl have royalty shares clearly defined and laid out in the band's contracts? Seems like that's the sort of legal protection you'd have nailed down if you had GNR's history of litigation.

Let me tell you something, anytime there's a lawyer involved in anything, you're talking about $$$. There's plenty of cases in the entertainment industry where someone makes a claim to a property that is necessarily their's to claim, but the lawyers (who are paid very generously) always try to find a way. The lawyer is guaranteed a win, regardless. If Mr. Chicken-head feels financially needy at any point, he can always call his lawyer. Now, I'm only using this as an example, but I recall a concert during the 2002 era (RIR3?) where Axl comments that there were people that were trying to stop GNR from happening (Performing? Recording? Name/song rights? I don't know). My point is, when the lawyuers are involved, it gets expensive and there may be an effort to remove performers no longer associated with the band from the new CD to avoid any potential for future lawsuits. It has to get tiring after a while.

well yeah, i mean in this day and age, you'd think that all that shit would be clearly defined before they even set foot into the studio :-\

jakolantern why would you think axl would withhold royalties i understand legal fees are expensive :hihi:

It's not a matter of royalties being withheld, but there could be two factors involved in this situation: 1. GNR have no interest in paying royalties to someone no longer associated with the organization and would rather have Ron re-record BH's parts (oversimplified, but you get my point, but it definitely happens. This IS a business) or 2. Perhaps there was a well defined contract, but sometimes contracts are disputed, regardless, and the lawsuit can get messy. I'm just generalizing here, I really don't know ANYTHING that goes on inside the GNR camp, I'm just tossing general examples out. We've created a culture of litigation in this country, and everyone suffers from it.

Jesus, guys calm down! From song named "Broken" to a fuckin' lawsuit? Hahaha...

haha totally


it's been stated numerous times that bh is still on the record....and in the lawsuit it was proven that Duff and Slash still receive royalties from long ago so if axl is content that those guys get $$ for their contributions when there was never ever a contract layed out at that time then why would it change now when in all likely hood there was negotiations for this kinda thing before bh even got involved...

this is a bit much to talk about until the album is out and we know who did what on the songs but for now i gotta beleive the guys in the band and managemnet when it was said BH parts are staying :peace:

There's a couple of points which negate your arguement there (and I'd appreciate a bit of clarification from someone who knows their stuff if I muddle this);
The royalties for appearing on the recordings are usually quite small in comparison to publishing royalties (because the label claims "authorship" of the actual recording), so there'd be very little gain to be had from a costly lawsuit (which would probably involve Interscope as well as GNR if it was a copyright issue pertaining to the recording) and if a former member had a significant role in writing a song he'd have a claim to the publishing royalties anyway - re-recording his parts on the song would have such a comparitively negligable monetary value as to make the idea a pointless expense.

And that's before you even consider "work-for-hire" contracts and any other legal clauses the musicians signed their names to. I wouldn't be surprised if all former member's contributions to the recording are  wholly owned  by GNR, like any other  "work-for-hire" agreement. 

Haha, true Six Strings.


Brain is ovbiously associated with the organization and they would't rather have frank re-record his parts.
although BH himself is no longer, his contributions are appreciated by the GNR members. axl stated so on BH's departure.

whats he mean by

"He did alot of free-style drum beats, but they are just scraps, not actual songs."

I guess it means he recorded some fills and beats, not entire tracks.

Kinda like Kirk Hammett begging James Hetfield to play a single note on the song NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. He was shutdown.   ;D This discussion has gotten out of hand. Either way, still no CD. Someone needs to be beaten with a rubber hose.

Why would they want to cut off BH anyway? He was a member of the band for several years, and Axl hasn't exibited any hard feelings toward him, and if you believe the rumors, Axl tried to get Bucket back. Bucket helped craft those songs, and he deserves the credit even if his parts are re-recorded.

yeah how the hell can u av the blues as a B-side??

Unless the other slow songs are even beta OMFG if so!!

 : ok:

Honestly,

I don't like the idea of any of Brains drum tracks being re-recorded. :-\

Like the maddy looping beat. Maybe he did those just so he will be on the album. Basically frank just did drum bits here and there and didnt do a drum track for the whole song, that is what i take it he means

It's not even a rumor they clearly wanted him back and obviously he deserves royalties for his contributions.  He did the work, he should get paid.

Are we all lawyers now on here?  I love how some folks are an expert in every profession when it comes to the world of GNR.   :-\

Not to mention all of this stemming from some random person's alleged conversation with Frank.

I was only speaking in a possible reason for re-recording tracks. Truth be told, just release the damn album already, this is getting to be totally disrespectful to the fans.

Sorry for bringing up the royalties comment. I guess some people got a little excited about it lol. I just kinda said it as a possibility, not so much as a THAT'S THE REASON FOR SURE comment. Odds are, I am a 100% wrong, so oh well.

I think it should be: 1. Better; 2. Unknown; 3. Chinese Democracy; 4. The Blues

I forwarded this to Mr Mercuriadis for his comment

I would have started a new topic, but I don't know if it would have been appropriate.

Anyway, in response to my email with information in regards to:

-The aforementioned 'single' with "Better" / "The Blues" / "The Blues" (Alternate)
-A recent claim of the release date as November 28, including the song title "Iron March", extra cd with songs from Euro tour etc

"Everything you have been told below is rubbish. When we announce our news there will be no doubt that it is genuine"

He didn't address my question as to whether we will be told if the album will be delayed. I just sent him one other short email asking about if we can expect any sort of comment or statement regarding the album and if the 2006 date as of now is still going to happen.

I think your probably gunna get the standard "When we have news, we'll announce it." :'(

Yeah probably, I'll post if he answers. It was nice of him to take the time to reply, and so quickly as well, he replied half  an hour after i emailed, and I live in Australia as well

I figured the 2nd part was pure rubbish.. especially since the party was cancelled...

the first part is probably true though..

 ;) tis' true.

Mr Silkworms strikes again eh
man, just stick your website, thats alot more fun than messing with rumours
people are already freaking out enough over the album, don't need to keep prodding them with a fork lol

bah, I figured why keep the tidbit to myself, when I could piss alot of people off. :hihi: