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Now that Jay Z has released his big album after the promotion, will it be GNR's turn? I personally think thats why the album was delayed from the initial rumored release date is because it would interfere with both records sales. Now will we see the push? The Harley ad was originally supposed to be aired a month ago, until it was pulled... Thats what makes me think it has less to do with GNR and Company and more to do with Universal...

that's SO true!! universal only has 2 artists on their books

lol.. where do some of these ideas come from?  *shakes head*

I don't think it has much to do with JayZ or Snoop Dogg or any non-rock genre new release today. ?I'm sure there are exceptions, but I doubt anyone in the market for the new Jay Z is gonna be much interested in GNR's new release.

I think you're very wrong.

Yes, now they are gone give Axl Rose and his magnum opus all the attention.

Merck: We want you to prepare for a release before christmas

Universal: Eh...ok, when will we get the album?

Merck: There are 33 days left between now and christmas. You will get it on one of those days.

Universal: ....ok....thanks for letting us now Mr. Merurdaiususi, let's set up some meetings....or something. We'll let you know.

Merck: Thank you. I'll make sure to keep Mr. Rose happy


On the phone to Merck later that day

Axl: I want Ron and Frank to rerecord all the parts! I also have gotten a couple of new ideas to songs I want on the album.!!


It's not easy me thinks.

Right- because Universal can only work with one record at a time, and the charts can only accomodate one big release at a time.

LOL!

Today's audience is not rock, rap, and pop orientated... The audience is everyone... Unlike ten years ago... Universal has two big hitters... They are not going to release them at once, because it will hurt sales and profit...

Great thread title, almost as bad as the ones i use  :rofl:

Yeah let's blame Jay Z for the delay of CD it's all his fault that CD is not in our CD players right know!!! ?:no:

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WTF?  :no:
READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!!

I'll bet that was the problem! 

Axl went in and said "Here's the fuckin' album, fuckers!" and they said "Um, yeah ... we're gonna give it a rest for a bit, we're not particularly eager to release that one just yet ... If you could maybe ... come back later ... that'd be great."

i think you are wrong, as well. i'm interested in both.

If you ever did an Internship in a office, thats just about it...  :hihi:

This thread is great! :rofl:

Sorry to hear about that, but fair enough...Would you buy only ONE of them if they both came out on the same day?  And if so, would the fact that you bought ONE prevent you from buying the other a week later? 

Uhmmmm, yeah Axl.. We're gonna need you to come in on Saturday.. We have to work on these TPS reports.. so uhmmm, yeah if you could be here by let's say, 7:30.. yeahhhh, that'd be great.? : ok:   :hihi:

LOL!  Yeah, after a decade of waiting, it's all gotten lost in the paperwork!

Doubt universal even has the cd themselves,the backlash Axl and guns are gonna get over this charade might be the final nail in the coffin ppl are sick of being played with,sick of supporting a guy who seems to wanna fail no matter.If it does not come out this year I will live but you can be sure I won't buy CD if it does ever come out next year or whenever I am done investing into a guy who cannot give anything back.

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Nope its cos the management and axl are full of shit.

Universal had nothing to do with Jay Z's release so what does it matter?

I don't mean this in a negative way or critical to them at all, but seriously some days I just can't understand why everything around the album is so unstable. The band are playing shows close to packed houses every night, the crowd loves them, pretty good ticket sales etc. People like the new songs, but of course they're not going to get a big reaction, because nobody's heard them before. Not everybody knows about demos or live bootleg recordings or whatever. I can't see why, considering how far they are now, they can't even just put a single out to test the waters. Hell, don't even put a single out, how about a track for download? Putting "Better" on the band's website as a free streaming download or something like that? It's a bit more intimate, not as grand scale as the "unveiling of the brand new single", and that way every GNR fan can just go to the website and bang, check out the track there and repeat it until it is engraved into their mind. And then radio stations, press magazines can publish the information, it's nothing to make a big deal out of, more like "hey by the way, Guns and roses have a new track up for download, check it out, it'll be on the next album", alot more informal rather than a grand fanfare. They're already playing the new tracks live, people are going to hear it at the concert and go "thats great.. where can i hear it again", but they won't be able to find it because not everybody knows or cares about limewire or file sharing.. they might want to buy a cd or check up on itunes..

I was thinking this the other day too, and maybe even also put up one of the songs we haven't heard (assuming any are finished.) Even if the album release isn't imminent, it would mean people recognizing new stuff at shows, and may even head off the alleged mass exodus from the messageboards....or maybe not.

This is a great point that Im glad you raised.

I saw tons of people at the Toronto and Ottawa shows who were seriously entranced by the new songs despite not knowing any of the lyrics.

How is Axl expecting to make a profit off his master work, if even the most casual of the casual listeners aren't able purchase the new album because it's not available, and the guy at the local record store has 0 information on it.. :-\

He needs to get this record on shelves so the people going to these shows and hearing the new songs for the first time can pick up the album and fall in love with the new songs so that they'll be enticed enough to tell all there friends, and go see more shows : ok:

Thanks for your understanding. Even if the album's not ready yet, all these shows people are going to on the tour right now, they're playing all these new songs, but people aren't going to know what they are. If there was some sort of a release or a single or something to point them in the direction of the next album, rather than anonymous rumours and speculation and unauthorized downloads, it'd be alot more enticing for the fans. they can go to the website and check out a free track, to have some sort of reassurance that they will indeed hear those new songs they liked on an eventual album, and keep fans coming back to gunsnroses.com for more news and downloads..and yeah, i don't know much about marketing or promotional strategies, but it would be alot more definite and reassuring. i get so many people who tell me that they go online but all they see is rumours and speculation and forums with people just bashing  the band and how its never going to come out.... and if they do hear any music, the only direction they've got is to try to find live bootlegs or the demo downloads that everybody else talks about, and that further encourages them to support unauthorized share of music, and yeah, it will harm their reputation and fans respect for them even more, rather than being turned off by criticism and negativity and things like that.

P.S. i know that bands debut new songs at shows that people haven't heard, but with all due respect, those songs end up being released ultimately, and, again, without any offense intended to how GNR work, at least if they go onto the net, they can find stable, credible information about where those songs came from, where it will end up, and they will keep persuing it.

This band is too damn good not to have an album out.

Thats the truth right there.

I highly doubt that Jay Z, has anything to do with the GNR release, hell I rad today a few reviews of his album, and alot were less than flattering, in fact in the post (NY), the writer, said or alluded to perhaps he shoulda waited a lil longer to make it right.lol

I just found that funny. CD will come when it does, and I still am of the feeling we could have it by the end of the yr. And I sure as hell wouldn't be crying if it was the first quarter of 07. Cause Axl has taken the time to make it right. And doesn't need to be doing Ellen show, or other nonsense to promote it. How fucking funny it as to have pres, Clinton, Bon Jovi and jay z, , or at least watching the train wreck on Ellen today!.lol

Id still love to see Jon Stewart interview Axl :)

I think Triumph the Insult Comic Dog should interview Axl, that would be a heck of a lot more interesting ;D

  That would be awsome. But give Howard Stern the interview because at least Howard has enough balls to straighten Axl out. Anybody else will just softball the interview.