Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/

Whoa, talk about losing it!

Geez man................

This sucks I always like Kramers character  :-\

what the devil?? ???

that was really bad and really uncalled for  :o

Jesus Christ ... Is this for real ? Man, it's a fuckin' shame. I've always enjoyed his performances in Seinfeld ...

that was some crazy racist shit -   i wonder how this will affect his career

Stars can murder people in Hollywood.

It'll be the story du jour and then everybody will forget about it.

i dont want to know about it, no, please, he is my hero.

what career?   :hihi:  I think its been over for a while.   :-\

That is crazy.  He always seemed so calm and mild-mannered in out of character interviews...  :no:

I can't get the video to work - little help anyone?

Seems like he finally killed his long-declining career from what I've heard. Jerry must be thrilled, what with the new DVD out tomorrow  :-X I wonder if he'll comment on this on Letterman tonight?

Well this should take my enjoyment of Seinfeld down a notch...

I don't think I'll see the end of stuff like this in my lifetime.

"Fifty years ago we'd have you upside with a fucking fork up your ass!" -- I can't believe some of the stuff that came out of his mouth.? ?:no:

Edit - Some of the comments made on that webpage are just as disturbing... I made it through two pages and had to stop

wow that's intense...
Did he really think that was funny?!
Was he mixing his prescription meds with alcohol?
Horrible! :no:

Oh man, that was horrible. 

Seems like a lot of posters are defending him on that website...................... ::)

 One of the best comedies in Television just became a little sour to me. Now every time I see Kramer I'm going to think that he's a racist behind the scenes. I sure wish he hadn't done that. It kind of ruined my image of him. Damn.  :-\

I have to wonder if the guy is just manic depressive or something. That was pretty outrageous behavior.

People have their days. Remember Axl's rant and song?

Didn't many of you forgive Axl for his "racist" comments?

LOL... kinda funny but a little racist... I'm still going to enjoy Seinfeld & UHF as much...

I think the response I have seen from some people is what bothers me more than his rant. ?The fact that there are millions of other people that carry around similar thoughts is just insane.

I am a little disappointed that it had to be a Seinfeld character. ?Seinfeld is the only TV show I watch aside from sports and I really hope I can still enjoy it. ?I had a similar problem with listening to Damian Marley's music after I heard him make comments that I felt were defending violent lyrics against homosexuals... but after a cooling period I was able to go back to it. ?I really hope Seinfeld won't be ruined for me. ?:-\

Appreciate the acting, man.

Hollywood ? Mel Gibson is demanding that Michael Richards be blacklisted in Hollywood after the former ?Seinfeld? actor unleashed a string of racial epithets during a stand-up routine. ?As celebrities, we have to be particularly careful with our words,? said Gibson. ?He should have his Jew lawyer issue an apology ASAP.?

The 57-year-old actor-comedian, best known for playing Jerry Seinfeld?s eccentric neighbor Kramer on the hit TV show ?Seinfeld,? was performing at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood on Friday night when he went into the verbal rampage. Richards, responding to heckling from two black members of the audience, unleashed a string of racial epithets, taunting the two men with slurs and profanities including the ?N-word.?

?Just hearing the word n?-r is hurtful to millions of Amricans,? said Gibson in a telephone interview. ?Why use the word n?-r? It?s just as bad as s?k and s?r c?-r. Also on that list is m?-y. Another racial epithet is c??-e f?e.?

While there was some chuckling in the audience throughout Richards? outburst, someone can be heard gasping, ?Oh my God,? and various people ?ooh? after Richard uses the n-word.

?There is no room in Hollywood for people like Michael Richards,? added Gibson. ?If I were him, I would contact my Jew lawyer right away to protect myself from lawsuits, and then I would call my Jew accountant to make sure I have enough ?Seinfeld? money to get me through retirement.?

Richards has received support from Massachusetts Senator John Kerry.

?Michael was simply trying to make a joke,? said Sen. Kerry. ?Obviously, he botched the joke. If he hadn?t botched the joke about calling those people the N word, then it would have been very funny.?

?I thought his performance was simply hilarious,? said Virginia Senator George Allen. ?He had me on the floor laughing.?

As for Jerry Seinfeld, he released a statement saying, ?What?s the deal with the racial epithets? Have you ever called someone the N word? I once sat with a black person in the waiting room at a doctor?s office. I hate the waiting room because it?s called the waiting room so there?s no chance of not waiting. It?s built, deigned, and intended for waiting. Why would they take you right away when they?ve got this room all set up??

Richards has not apologized for his comments on stage, but did apologize publicly for the first time for his NBC series six years ago.

??The Michael Richards Show? was a disaster, but it?s not my faul,? said Richards. ?The whole thing was ruined by this one n?-r production assistant.?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What would I do without the internet?

Don't worry, in a day or two we will get a statement saying he was drunk and/or on medication and not "himself" and he'll be entering rehab.  Seems to be the excuse du jour for bad behavior.

Remember when the seinfeld show and Friends got flack for not have any black people on their shows.That explosion makes me wonder who else on that cast feels thinks,or talks the same way.....

he is still goodlooking though : ok:

Well, finally saw it. Really, really sad to watch. The guy's obviously unhinged...if you can't take heckling, what the fuck are you doing in a comedy club? Maybe Mr.Richards didn't feel he was being treat with the reverance he deserved. Now he's cast a huge, sad shadow over Seinfeld - his one saving grace. I feel sorry as hell for his co-stars. As I mentioned earlier, Jerry's on Letterman tomorrow to promote the new dvd. I hope he uses this opportunity to distance himself from this sorry mess of a man. Very upsetting stuff. Must be eating away at him to be walking around filled with that much hate.

i haven't seen it 'cause my computer is a little retarded today, no but i'm downloading bigtime anyway, how bad can it be? come on we are all fans here of the man that wrote one in a million, what does he say and do more then the N-word 20 times?

Basically launches a personal attack on the audience - very bilous, racist, out of control and not remotely funny.

Seinfeld has responded: http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=2f45748c-0d67-4fee-9b57-4edb6279e276&k=4332

Seinfeld issued a statement saying he was "sick over this."

"I'm sure Michael is also sick over this horrible, horrible mistake. It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt," Seinfeld said.

Drudgereport.com just updated with this
DRUDGE READER: 'I'm in the audience for tonight's David Letterman show and they just had Michael Richards on via satellite during Seinfeld's interview to discuss his on-stage tirade. He apologized and expressed remorse at his own behavior. He seemed genuinely upset and embarrassed'... MORE...

www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com)

mega_music... there is a huge difference between what Dave Chapelle does and what Michael Richards did. 

I edited my post, because after reading and re watching the video it changed my mind. There is a line that shouldnt of been crossed and Kramer went way over the line.

TMZ has posted on this too, in a little more depth.

LOS ANGELES -
Michael Richards said Monday he spewed racial epithets during a stand-up comedy routine because he lost his cool while being heckled and not because he's a bigot. "For me to be at a comedy club and flip out and say this crap, I'm deeply, deeply sorry," the former "Seinfeld" co-star said during a satellite appearance for David Letterman's "Late Show."
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"I'm not a racist. That's what's so insane about this," Richards said, his tone becoming angry and frustrated as he defended himself. A clip from the show played on CBS before "Late Show" aired Monday night.

Richards described himself as going into "a rage" over the two audience members who interrupted his act Friday at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood. Richards responded to the black hecklers with repeated use of the "n word" and profanities.

That is a shame really. But if you have any type of celebrity these days, you can pretty much count on having someone watching you at all times. You just can't go off like that and expect to not reap some repercussions.

Anyone else see him on Letterman?  It was sad, he sat there going "uhhh uhhh I am very sorry to the blacks, uhhh uhhhh." :no:

Yeah, just saw it. Anyone who's interested can see it on the cbs.com site for a while. Basically looked lost on there...Jerry did his best to hold it together on his behalf, but hmmm. Sad.

I'd be mad if the fuckin' audience was giggling when I was trying to speak seriously, as well........I'm referring to his Letterman appearance, BTW.

I think Seinfeld is the most overrated TV show ever.


I cant believe his behavior.


I can accept his behavior however if he feels this way, I mean fuck it, its his right, but dont come out and apologize.

I hate when people do that.

Sayin u are sorry makes it ok? I dont think so, If u didnt mean it u wouldnt have said it so Dont apologize, just say i got pissed, I wanted to hurt and embarrass those guys, So i said what I said.

But dont try to act contrite.

I guess since it's recorded at what, about 5 in the afternoon? Something like that, the news hadn't really reached that many of the people there. Guess they thought it was a 'bit'. Which is pretty fucking stupid.

Why is everyone so sure the whole thing isn't just a hoax? The flip out, the appology, everything.
Come on! He is a  comedian doing standup. And pulls off something outrageous in the middle of his act. Doesn't it sound suspicious at all? Andy Kauffman, anyone?

Guess you have to  be an American to get all hyped up about the usage of the word nigger and other rascist slurs as a part of a random personal attack.
No matter how hard i try to put things in context here, squeeze stuff in the frame of rascism and it's dark history and all that..I Just can't see the big deal here. Never understood why/how rascist insults are off limits and given a "speacial treatment" in a world where you can get away  with motherfucker and uhh Jesus tit-fucking Christ and what not.

I honestly don't give a fuck ! He can be a mass murderer for all i care, he's still a very talented actor, and one of the funniest characters in the history of television.

i thought about the hoax thing to, cause it sounds too crazy.
but then again. plausible.

i still think it's racist and way out of line, why are we fighting for the right TO CALL PEOPLE NAMES ?
insane.

Good post, I totally agree with ya  : ok:

absolutely, i agree, when it comes to the funniest characters, don't know about the mass murderer but this little thing come on,


yes indeed my avatar rocks :headbanger:

yeah, its just an american thing  ::)  I dare you to go up to a black person in whatever country you live in and scream at them using the N word over and over again and see what happens. 

No way, its easily one of the funniest shows ever made.  you're only the 2nd person I've ever met in my entire life to say that.  To each their own though.

I hear people say that, D, and my only conclusion is that they haven't watched enough of the show to appreciate it.

It's an insult.It would be safe to assume he/she got insulted.
Still, I'm very sure it doesn't have similiar semi-sacred huge shock value in, say, Scandinavia-region or in europe as a whole as it does in U.S.A.
Racism towards black people has very modest, nearly non existant roots in parts of Europe that were backwater-ish and un-international enough up until 1950's-60's, so stuff like using word "nigger" just can't draw from similiar er, "pool" of racism as in U.S. It's just a (rude)insult among others here. Not something you can start a real fuzz about.Which imo is much healthier approach than the "OMG teh N word!!" -way.

In Finland, there was a popular candy named  "neekerin suukko", or "nigger's kiss", available for decades. It took until late 90's til someone figured it is actually very unappropriate to some and had it changed.
(Edit, actually the correct translation would be "kiss of a negro" not "nigger's kiss"Sorry.)

Wow, I must say last night's Letterman was very Andy Kaufmann-ish. ?I can understand where people were laughing at it, I even cracked a grin at just the way he was doing it. ?He really came off bad with the "afro-american" thing though. ?When Jerry told the people in the crowd to stop laughing, it's not a joke I was like damn...is this a work or not? ?Michael Richards comes off as a very manic person in the interview, kinda bouncing all over the place. ?I have to say though, if he is pulling off a Kaufmann, he got a dead on ringer for the humor last night, because that kind of humor is hard to pull off and whether he wanted it to or not, he got it.

I can still remember him as the "Smiley Pie, Bow-tie killer" in Problem Child, back before Seinfeld.

That was not a Tony Clifton, that was a meltdown.

Agreed - how anyone can think this was a "hoax" is beyond me. 

Yea, I really don't believe this is a hoax of any kind. 

Here is his Letterman appearance for anyone that hasn't seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufHYw-W6j4

The "afro-American" thing was wierd.. For those out of the US, "African-American" is the politically-correct term, especially when making an apology.


I can't imagine it's an Andy Kaufmann thing..  :-\  It was too over the top & full of hate. If he didn't say the N-word 12 times, then maybe.... But here in US you can't say that word.

I hate the double standard in the US though.

Had a black comedian said the same thing to black people in the crowd, it is accepted. but a white person cant say it.  If the word is so offensive maybe black people shouldnt glorify it and feel proud calling each other that.


Also, black comedians make their living ragging on White people in their routine and it is funny.


U let a white guy make some black jokes though and he will be boycotted immediately.

To me, the worst part wasn't the fact that he used the N word (although, that was pretty vulgar).  The most inappropriate thing was the "50 years ago..." remark.

Same here in the Netherlands, If I were to walk up to a black person and call him nigger, I doubt he would even care....

Nigger kisses were still being called nigger kisses overhere up untill a few months ago when some wiseguy decided he was offended by the name and sued? ::) I swear the whole culture is becoming more "american" everyday and I? hate that? :no:

oh well at least we still have our jew cookies? ?;D

It's interesting to see the crowd laughing about this on Letterman during his apology.


And kind of seemed to ramble a bit.

we still have a lot of "nigger" references in france. ("n?gre" in french)

we use it for " ghostwriter"
famous chocolate dessert called " nigger's head"

so ....

Maybe to prove it wasn't scripted, and therefore insincere.

Well there is the "ER" version and the "A" version - subtle yes, but there is a huge difference in the connotation.

anyways, even if a black guy went off the way Richards did I think it would have turned some heads...there was nothing "joking" about his tirade, it was pretty intense and very angry.

I'd like to see that, can you tape it for me?  Go up to a black guy and get in his face, tell him you want to put his ass on a fork and scream the N word at him about ten times.   You're right, he probably wouldn't do anything  : ok:   ::)

Antisemitism!Antisemitism!
Crucify the holocaust denier!

The stuff Gibson said, is it true?

You know, Ive been hearing a lot of people say that what Richards did is no different than Pryor, Chapelle, Murphy, etc.  Richards didnt use the "N" word as part of his act, like those other comedians. He used it as an insult directed at a specific person.  It was blatently racist and sick.  In comedy, you can make fun of other races and get away with it.  Black comics make fun of white people all the time, because comedy is the one place that they can get away with it, and get their message across. Its no big deal. But doing what Richards did is inexcusable.  He had to have known this.  I cant fathom what he was thinking, it was career suicide.  I guess he didnt consider the show was being filmed. But to come out after and say he isnt racist, he was just mad, is the funniest joke ive heard him say.

I dont see what the big deal is, black comedians call white people cracker and make fun of them all the time, who cares?

B/c its all in good fun..its just a JOKE.  Richards wasn't kidding.  The southpark guys make fun of all races/religions and its funny b/c its a comedy show.  The explosion wasn't part of Richards act.  I agree its not a "big deal" in the sense that war in Iraq is a big deal, its still newsworthy b/c of how popular of a show Seinfeld was/is and how popular of a character Kramer is.

The black men in the audience were heckling Richards, not that that excuses him calling him the N word but still when your being heckeled by a mob of black men that has to be frustrating. Of course, they think their bad mofo's when in gangs. Another bad example of racial integration. "White" comedy in LA probably doesnt go over well..

Since when did it become a MOB of black people that were heckling him?? What does it even matter what color they were?? How you choose to respond to someone is entirely your responsibility no matter what they are doing.? If they were Native Americans should he have shouted at them to get back on the reservation?

Some people don't even realize they are being racist.? Like your reference here insinuating the black people were in a "mob" or "gang."? Maybe they just didn't like his show?

I doubt they liked the show, but i was going by the amount of voices in the room yelling at Richards and thats why i thought it was a mob.

Well, in fact it was reported as 2 people heckling him.  Hardly constitutes a mob.

I'm not sure which was worse, Richard's rant or Jabba's post!

Wow, and I thought LA was laid back.

Does race riots and whole city blocks in flames ring a bell? People getting pulled from cars and beaten..

It's ok to make fun of the white race, every other race is a sacred cow......unless you're of that race, then it's fine to say whatever you wish......

Notice the first thing the black guys did was call Him a cracker........


Its funny, there is  a new spelling of his TV name.

He is now being called KKKramer. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

i think people are blowing this out of proportion...

i dont condone the way he reacted.. but people are way oversensitive nowadays and way too politically correct.

I dont appreciate the bad karma i got in this thread either.

 F you you cheap motha Crackers!!!

I agree with that, but if you've seen the video...you know, I like some comics who do a lot of race-based material (Sarah Silverman for example), but there's a world of difference between telling an off-colour joke and personally and bilously attacking audience members.

I'm glad that monkey spat on the bastard when he had the chance. ;)

DId u just call the black audience member a monkey?

I was referring to an episode of Seinfeld where a monkey spits on Kramer, much like most people in the world would like to spit on him now, given the chance.

http://www.stanthecaddy.com/the-face-painter.html

And why did YOUR mind go there?
D, I think a cab just pulled up outside your house. Tell him you need to go to the Letterman studio, ASAP. ;) :hihi:

he fucked up.... and he'll pay for it. if that was me id loose my job in a second. What can is say, some taboos cancel free speach im not saying its right or wrong, thats just the way things are. And man did he step in it

who cares? i dont really giv a fuck what he said, there just fuckin words. who gives?

There is meaning behind those words.... but really, way to be cool!   : ok:

It's a fine example of how freedom of speech should work. He has the right to say what he said without censorship or legal penalty, and society
rather than government are dealing out the consequences.

Yeah!