Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Axl Grinds It Out Into Wee Hours
by Ben Rayner
Toronto Star
Friday, November 17, 2006

Well, it's still not Guns N' Roses - I'm not looking for an argument here, it just isn't - but there's hope for Axl yet.

Yes, Rose is on the second GNR tour undertaken without a single other member of the original Guns N' Rpses and named for a non - existent 13 - years - in - the - making that will soon beg immortalization in its own Sammuel Beckett play.

Yet, while the man's famous yowl proved only a slightly less dubious instrument at the Air Canad Centre on Wednesday night than on the first Chinese Democracy tour stop in Toronto four years ago, Axl himself seemed more fit, at ease and prepared to reclaim the spotlight than the guy who blew out the last GNR "comeback" after a handful of troubled dates in late 2002.  This was much less about transparent, "something to prove" effort; it felt like Rose, who gathered strength in vocal and stage presence as the evening - or morning - given the typical late start - wore on, has become a little more cognizant and appreciative of the enviable position he holds.

He might as well suck up his insecurities and throw another record out there.  Obviously fans - many of whom, if the ACC crowd was any indication, are too young to care about the absence of Izzy, Slash and Duff from the roaster - are happy to scoop up an arean's worth of tickets, put up with Papa Roach and Sebastian Bach as opening acts and then sit around, without alcohol service or much in the way of human rights, until the wee hours for a chance to hear Rose and a bunch of hired hands perform half of 1987's Apetite for Destruction.

Although it felt a little half - formed the last time out, the new band, which includes Use Your Illusion - era GNR addition Dizzy Reed, former Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson and a troika of showboating guitarists - Richard Fortus, new addition Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and ex - Nine Inch Nail sideman Robin Finck - can do authentically out - of - control ("You Could Be Mine" was fierce) and Vegas flashy (Wings' "Live and Let Die", "November Rain") with equal aplomb,  We didn't need all the solo spots that completely derailed the pacing every time Axl left the stage to change his shirt or rest his voice, but they are indeed pro players.

And wouldn't you know it?  There was actually one solid new number, a low slung, riff - adelic, groove rocker called "Better" that offered our first, faint hope that Chinese Democracy, should it ever see the light of day, might not be a disaster.  Fingers crossed, Axl, 'cause our patience is wearing thin. 

Everyone always seems to love Better. The Blues is never mentioned.  :no:

Papa Roach wasn't on the tour for Toronto... Their last show was in NYC.  I'm starting to wonder if this guy was even at the show. :no:

I hate critics... I cant give two shits about them... they act soo high and mighty like they know the key to good and bad music...

I can't believe this jerk-off has the balls to review a show he so noticeably missed.  Can anybody round up the e-mail to the editor?  Who knows, maybe the editor or publisher has the balls to fire this fuckhead.   :rant:

Oh well, at least the gutless critics' reviews have been positive, and rightfully so.  The '06 version of GNR kicks ass live.   8)

Wow this guy is exposed............. Mentioning a band that wasnt even on the bill.

Try this man.

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good point.

this writer is way, way too cocky with his words! Say what you want, Axl and the band command respect. This is the last REAL rock legend. The world will wake up in a few weeks....

That's Guns fans for you...a guy writes a vaugely positive review and you want him to lose his livlihood. ::)

It's things like this that make me not want to read reviews

There have been some negative reviews that I read and said, "OK, i can see where the guy is coming from"

But when a reporter mentions an opening act who didnt even open, that shows he had a negative agenda against GNR goin into it. therefore his review was bias and non valid.

The reviewer probably skipped everything but GNR...   ::)

Guys that was a decent review. For those who don't know, Rayner hates GNR. He slammed them in 2002. I'm shocked he had anything half-way decent to say period.

It wasn't a review.  You would have to see the concert to write a review.

OR

He showed up just in time to see GNR take stage.  But it still doesn't excuse him from not getting his facts straight.  Hell, that is what he is paid to do.

Ben Rayner is a JOKE in Toronto. Fucking up the opening acts is the least of his sins. He was basically employed only because the paper wanted to appeal to a younger audience back when they first hired him. Why they haven't dumped his ass is beyond me.

He knew that GNR would make him wait forever, so he showed up late.  That was a good thing.  Had he sat through the openers and then waited... and waited...  and waited... for Axl to go on stage, he would have been in a much pissier mood.   

I thought it was a positive reveiw guys...espeically, as some of you have speculated, he wasn't even there...whether he is a Joke or whether he has the most respected opinion on the face of the planet, the bottom line is, he has the avenue to work for the Toronto Star...when it came to your hero and his band, he didn't say ANYTHING negative...he even said he looked FIT for Pete's sake...you really ought to consider growing your skin a little thicker...because some of you sound like a bunch of offended, whiney, paranoid 13 year old fanatics...unless that's the case...then touche! ;D

coz the blues sucks.... i heard that song already, it was better the first time when it was called November Rain.

I can't say I like all the "hired hands" comments - the new Guns have more than proved themselves, in my opinion, but I have to agree with the "patience is wearing thin" comment.

Other then the fact that they're both piano based the two songs are nothing alike.

Maybe you should listen again.

They wont prove themselves until they release the album. Playing 20 year old tunes written by someone else, and a handful of mediocre new songs doesnt prove anything.

Right. Being excellent performers and writing incredible new music we've recently has access to does.  : ok:

Anyone who practices someone elses songs for 10 years could be quite proficient at playing and performing them Im sure. Plus 'the incredible new music' is hardly life changing is it? IRS, Better, CITR, TWAT - from those songs they havnt proved a great deal.

Just my opinion. The album will be proof of what they are capable of, whether its good or bad. Until then theyre just playing someone elses material - stage diving, string punching, and silly shaped guitars wont change that.

Anyone who practices someone elses songs for 10 years could be quite proficient at playing and performing them Im sure. Plus 'the incredible new music' is hardly life changing is it? IRS, Better, CITR, TWAT - from those songs they havnt proved a great deal.

Just my opinion. The album will be proof of what they are capable of, whether its good or bad. Until then theyre just playing someone elses material - stage diving, string punching, and silly shaped guitars wont change that.

I honestly think you're going to continue to be disappointed in this band no matter what happens if you're impressed by all of the music they've created thus far. If those songs haven't "proved a great deal" to you then I'm pretty sure you already know you don't like Chinese Democracy. We've had access to over 50% of the final track list thus far. That would mean that the final 4 or 5 songs we haven't heard yet would have to be flat out incredible for you in actually like the album or the lineup I guess.

Correct.

Although we dont know that we've heard over 50% of the tracklist because we dont know what the track list definitely is. Sadly, out of the new songs for me, the only one that actually shines is TWAT, the rest dont do the band name justice, surely you cant think that Rhiad and CD are amazing?

I hope the album will prove me wrong - but the chances of us ever seeing it....well.

 

Since the album is coming out by the end of the year, I'd say we'll see it. In all honesty I've never been a big Rhiad fan but I really do love the title track.

As far as the amount of material we've heard; assuming the tracks they've played lately are on the record then we've heard 6 or 7 tracks from an album Axl said to be 13 tracks long. How is that not around 50%?

It is around 50% of the album if we know that those tracks are definitely on the album but we dont know the final tracklist. It would be a shame to wait 14 years for an album and have had half of those songs for a year or more when (if) it actually comes out.

Still, Im glad your optimistic it'll be out this year.

Back on topic here...thanks to Crowebar.  My e-mail has been sent.  I also agree with D's earlier post, a negative review is one thing, but this isn't.  It's actually fairly positive, as most reviews have been on this tour.  This guy's paid for reviewing shows.  Obviously, he wasn't doing his job.