Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The fact is unless there is an Itunes release or some kind of maverick management ploy we will not see the album this year.? Some fans will greet this as "here we go again" others sound like they will be very upset.? This time I feel that there are several legitimate possibilities why the album will not be out.

I am guessing the biggest reason is adding people to the CD's.? The past year Axl has reunited with old friends, added 2 people to the band and met new people.? I am guessing Axl wants to add Bumblefoot and Frank to the CD and who knows he might also give some kind of guest slot to Izzy/Bach.? None of that would surprise me and all of that is legitimate and should be done if Axl feels like it will add to the album and the band.

Also a lot of people feel the leaks were done intentionally to gain buzz for a tour.? I think both the tour and the leaks were dont intentionally for Axl to test the waters of the music industry.? The music world has been salivating over this release and because of the hype it will almost surely not  live up to expectations, it would have to be Appetite to really even come close.? Everyone has been wondering what Axl will drop on us.? I think that he dropped the demos and is doing a live tour to see what the world thinks of the new stuff.? This way if they hate it or people make comments he agrees with he can change it. The world doesnt hate the new stuff most like it, but I think songs like Catcher in the Rye and TWAT could be classics if retouched just slightly and maybe Axl realizes that fans think this and has decided to rework Catcher and that is why he is not playing it.? Also the road can be quite an inspirational experience and maybe he even has written a new song or thought of something new to cover.

I dont believe Axl and Merc purposefully lie to fans, in fact I am sure they planned to get the album out this year. THings came up though and I bet Axl is trying to do what he believes is best.? I am pretty sure thats why the Harley adds were banned from this board.? I bet GNR realized that the album wont be out this year and was trying to pull out of the add and they contacted fansites to try to keep the commercial underwraps while they tried to get out of the contract to play Better.

I am sure Bach and A7x have heard the album as it was going to come out.? I am guessing though if Axl heard one bit of criticism and happened to agree with it he would go back to the studio and change it.? It has been so long that a little more delay means nothing.? I would expect the album in 2007.

I know this is speculation and so many people on here still believe the album will be out this year and if it is thatll be awesome, but I would be the farm it wont be.? We have leaks and a world tour, we have seen what axl has been working on and it sounds great.? His voice and look has improved 10 fold in the last four years and I think he is almost ready to drop the album.? I am just guessing there is work and additions he wants to make.? I dont think this is a scam to generate buzz and I dont believe Axl lies to fans.? I think this is just a case of Axl being a perfectionist, I mean its his career and pretty much his name on the line with this cd so of course he will take all precautions to make it as perfect as possible.

I didn't know Axl cared so much about critics to the point of rewriting some music...

So you're saying that Axl is recording what the people want to hear not what he wants as an artist ?



PS: I also think the leaks were deliberate.

If its not out this year its going to suck major harry horse cock.


but i dont think its going to come out this year.

Not sure I agree with original post but I think the message is saying that feedback from others that Axl AGREES with. Not that he's changing anything to  what others want instead of what he, as an artist, wants. If the post is right then I think we're talking about things Axl didn't notice, overlooked or wasn't sure of.

Still, there has been so much time spent on this album that last minute changes delaying the drop? That just doesn't sound good.

I'm not upset, i hope that Axl will meet more people and then  he will add them to the CD  :hihi: :rofl:

if he keeps reworking it everytime he gets a new idea or meets new people then it will never be finished. the whole point of finishing it and saying it will be out is to finish it and put it out. we'll see what actually happens.

I will NOT be happy if Bach is on the album. Bach is not a member of the band. Maybe the next album but we have waited for this album for too long for it to have an outside force on it. I love the guy but no, it won't be good :no:
Well...IMO anyway.

But apart from that is there is a legit reason for a delay I wont mind, just as long as the Album is a kick as as the stuff we've heard so far! :peace:

Why not? Sorry, bad joke!!!

i can't believe i spend hours a day reading this.........

Axl has put friends on his albums before.  It isnt something new for him.  Shannon Hoon and Alice Cooper both were on UYI, Its in Axl's nature to want to have people he trusts close to what he is doing. I think thats the reason for his sudden friendship with Bach.  Bach worships Axl and so Axl trusts him and wants to keep him around.  I really wouldnt be surprised if Bach or Izzy had a guest role on the album.

you and me both....

And me, although im beginning to feel i won't be around here for much longer.

And also Michael Monroe. But it's better without guests. Like AFD. Just the band.

Please add me to that list. ?I've seen posts like this hundreds of times for the past 6 years, and I keep coming back for more.

wow, cant believe people make excuses for this guy...sad

This is getting eerily similar to a "battered wife syndrome" film on Lifetime

Me too. Im seriously thinking of giving it a rest til 07. im sure there'll be other ways to find out if the album has arrived lol!
Its a great site and my feelings have nothing to do with posts/threads being deleted all the tim, as thats kinda exciting IMO. just sick o readin the same old shit day after day after day... :(

Guns N' Roses album pushed to 2007Axl's label admit not knowing a thing about a November release

Guns N' Roses - the original line-up. Picture: Ross Halfin Guns N Roses' "Chinese Democracy" is now odds on to his records shops in 2007 after the band's label admitted this week they were none the wiser to a November release schedule.

Axl Rose had recently revealed his intention to get the $15m, ten-year-old project onto the shelves before the end of the year, and a press release for the Chinese Democracy Tour at the beginning of October 2006 also stated that "there are only 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year" - dropping a hint that the album would be released on a Tuesday between October 3rd and December 19th.

However, it looks near impossible that the album will be released in time for Christmas as the band's label, Universal Records, claimed this week that they had yet to received any information regarding a release date. With a likely four to six week turnaround required from GNR's management delivering the masterwork (not to mentioned publicity and promotion) it looks extremely unlikely the set will drop now until February, with January a traditional dead-zone for big new albums.
In other news, a new live DVD is in the pipeline for February.
Guns 'N' Roses - Live In Chicago" will be released on February 5th 2007 (we're sure of that), and was recorded at Chicago's Allstate Arena.

Tracks included on the set are Nightrain, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Attitude, Its So Easy, Wild Horses, Patience, Double Talkin Jive, Civil War, Welcome To The Jungle, November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Godfather Theme and Coma.

http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=8608&CFID=21022922&CFTOKEN=12784815

 :(

yup. ?There has been this somewhat comical problem of constantly re-recording band members' parts because they keep leaving due to the delay -- which then creates more delay, and it becomes a circle. ?The instant that I read that Frank and Ron were possibly recording parts of CD I thought "here we go again." ?Remember, the initial plan was that Ron was "too late" to be on CD -- I know there is some ambiguity in Del's words, but it sure seems like the continual (some might say obsessive) tweaking of CD continues . . . .

oh, and I'm not upset by the delay.  My life doesn't revolve around Axl's schedule (thank god) and it's kinda fun (in a masochistic way) to not know whether this mythical beast will ever appear.  There are few mysteries left in life, and this is one of them.

im not defending his actions, but there have been leaks and a world tour which is good enough to keep me satisfied for 6 more months. ?Its his album, its his choices, if he decided to say screw it and not release Chinese Democracy that would be his choice. ?None of us have anything real invested in the album. ?Time spent analyzing, thinkin, hoping etc... is ultimately nothing. ?All I was saying was contrary to other delays I feel that this one is legitimate and that things are actually getting done this time. ?If you dont like the board why post on it? ?Why post you dont like it? ?Are you that egotistical that you think anyone cares? ?I dont know any of you, you could never respond again it would make no difference to me and you probably feel the same way about me. ?Who cares. ?i care about the album, i was just making a point. ?Its certain people who think its all about them, who think they have invested into this album, who feel that if they dont post their "Is Axl Bald" thread that the GNR world will collapse. ?The album will come out when the creator wants it to, its Axls world, no one is forced to follow his music career or be a fan. ?Part of the fun is the anticipation, confusion and surprise.

Maybe now someone will re-record Frank parts ?:rofl:. Brain & Frank are no longer mentioned on the GN'R bio page.

http://web.gunsnroses.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060928&content_id=a1&vkey=news&fext=.jsp

don't get upset ? That is horseshit!!!
Ther is absolutely NO EXCUSE this time.
Right now is probably the best opportunity to put out CD they will ever have..period....
If this chance will not be used then i don't know... Our friends in GNR should listen to the imense wake up call that you can even hear on the fucking moon.

no more motherfucking exuses,delays,analysing  and defending Axl's decision shit.

I have always been a huge supporter but honestly : A lot of people will shake their heads in disbelief at the end of this year if CD does not get released...me included

Jesus  :rant:

As posted yesterday in another thread:



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you have alot of time to waste dont you?

If CD is not released in 06 you are defending Axl on this.  If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck.  And Axl has NO EXCUSES.  If it doesn't come out this year he literally laughed at us.  Pure cockteasing.  He has been working on this album for at least 7 years.  If he doesn't want to release it then don't call this tour the CD tour.  Plain and simple.  It is time tu release this thing or it will never get released.  I for one hope that 2006 is the year and no excuses is valid if it is not.

My thoughts too.


I really don't think that Axl cares about what other people might say when he plays them the album. I mean sure he's going to listen their comments, but is he going to cancel the release to change parts on the songs ? No.

So yes, Bach and others have heard the album. But even if they say "that song sucks" do you really think he is going to go back to the studio to fix it ?

 :rofl:

I think he cares what the fans (no, not only us. the fans at the shows and music fans) think about the band and the music.

true. Not that I've waited for this album for long. actually I may end up with no wait.

I'm easy. and I think it's this year untill I hear otherwise from the band side.

I didnt mean this to be an album not coming out thread.  All I was saying is that I see legitimate reasons for a delay if it does occur.  I also do think that  if people gave Axl advice he would take listen to it.  It has been reported in RS and other magazines that he has recieved advice on things like lyrics from outside sources, he brought in tons of guitarists to work on the album in its early stages and has sought help from many producers.  I truly believe he does not have confidence in himself and is seeking reassurance from others. 

slurp, slurp

Maybe it will come out Jan 2nd, 07....then we can still call Axl and a liar and get the album in the same general timeframe.

i feel the same... :rant:

Bach won't be on the album... thank God.  We don't need an 80's reunion on a new album that is supposed to be more modern and up to date musically. 

Unless I have missed something I think you are just speculating about a new rumour. I won?t believe anything which does not come from an official source. :no:

There is no legitimate possibility. They have been confirming all year it would be out in 2006. If there was any chance it wouldn't, then they shouldn't be saying it would. If it's not out, there is no excuse. No one made them say it would be out in 2006. They gave this information voluntarily and have continued to do so all year.

totally agree
if they dont manage to get it out this year it will be a huge fuckup alienating a large part of a lunatically loyal fanbase :no:

Which in reality means dick all... sorry to say. If the album comes out in 2007 and is incredible... the masses (i.e. general rock fans who wouldn't know Merck Mercuaidis if he punched them in the face) will swarm to CD like bees to honey... people need to stard realizing that "lunatically loyal" GN'R fans- i.e. the type that take missed deadlines allegedly promised by the band's management as a personal afront- represent about 1/100,000,000th of the potential market for this thing.

And POOF, things can change.

Things can change indeed.  But there is absolutely no valid excuses this time.  Even if they were to use the excuse that they want BBF to rerecord BH's parts I won't bite.  All they had to do was postpone the US tour or better yet hire BBF before they did.

1/100,000,000th?

the lunatically loyal are the only reason HE even still has a chance at a career. In the US, with zero promotion, you think it's casual people going to the concerts?

like i said in a post that got deleted for some reason (hmmm), it's getting to the point (and the point comes when the announced tour dates run out and there's no CD) where we have to realize that there might not even be an album, since NO ONE is talking about it that was involved in the creative process, and that the concert tour is the record company forcing Axl's hand to recoup money spent on the damn mythic album. i hope i'm proved wrong, but at this point, as i type this, there's no reason tobelieve otherwise.

think about it....his baby, his creative apex, the thing he's spent his heart and soul on for fifteen years, the concert tour bearing the album's name...and not ONCE does he utter the words Chinese Democracy in public? not ONCE does he say "and this is Better/ the Blues/ TWAT/ Madagascar etc from our soon to be released album..." or something even remotely along those lines?

about a year and a half ago i posted a thread that i asked Jarmo to delete because the guy who told me the info was taking some serious heat for it....the gist was that the engineers that were working on the album at the studio, can't remember the name, said there's nothing but a whole bunch of instrumental tracks with scratch vocals on it, meaning HE hadn't recorded vox to any of the songs. Theguy who told me, from another message board, was a respected producer or collaborator or something in LA, and i provided the right info in the post to back it up, got heat within hours after me posting the thread here. He told me he was at the bottom of the hill with all the shit rolling down towards him, to paraphrase, because of what he told me. He asked me to delete the posts in the other forum and here, which i did.

a year and a half later, what has changed? we have proof of, what, 6 songs, and some poster board showing a seventh that they've decided not to play yet?

look, again, prove me wrong Axl. In Calgary, call me out, use my name, i'll be there.

just waiting for the damn thing for 11 years is no big deal. i'm on the net anyway, might as well check in here. but when he's exploiting that loyalty (if that's what he's doing) by going out on tour and teasing us with this thing, taking our money with the implicit promise that THIS TIME it's coming...then he OWES us something. at this point we ARE his career.

original poster says dont get upset this time.....THIS time. As if the other times over the past decade were alright, but this time there's a good reason for the misinformation. what possible explanation could there be for HIS silence, short of it aint coming out? suprise release, well then, just talk about it vaguely.

bottom line, if it doesn't come out, or have an iron clad release date by the end of this tour cycle, how can any of us reasonably be expected to stay o board? this is like the fourth or fifth time we've been strung along to this point, with ZERO explanation. How can any of us/ you, still believe all of this shit if it doesn't happen this time? there is simply no excuse anymore, and if it doesn't come out this time, there's no chance HE has left. He'll be finished as a relevant current artist. Can you envision a THIRD Chinese Democracy world tour? maybe he'll tour with Tom Petty so they can duet Free Fallin' so all the fluffers on board here can wax ecstatic about "see, he IS changing the setlist!!!".....down on the farm...gimme a fucking break. cool song, but when you've relased three albums ever, and you won't play anything off of two of them but two hits and two covers, another cover is the last thing his credibility needs.

that siad, i'll be in calgary, i'll be excited, but it's getting harder to know what to feel for the guy.

The album will be out this year, so we won't need to worry about this.

Great great post and dead on.  I agree with every single thing you said.  There is no excuse that works past 2006.  He needs to release and live up to his word this time or he can join the rest of the 80's bands that never made it past 1993.  How can any of you excuse this if it happens? 

Co-sign.

Bach is horrible.  He butchered My Michelle on a nightly basis during the Euro tour.  I'm glad he and Axl are good friends and all that, but the guy is over rated.

That one's a very very VERY distant maybe ... (although I do not buy it, personally)


But that one is a completely indefensible position.  Multiple times now Axl has unequivocally stated that the album will come out this year.  If it does not, then he has lied.  You can't spin it any other way, that is a fucking lie!  Deal with it.

Dude. I don't disagree with much of what you've said. I'm just trying to point out that we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking us "die hards" hold any leverage in the matter. If CD drops in 2007... or in 2011... it will still receive a ton of international media attention... if it's good... it will be HUGE b/c the vast majority of the people out there don't feel like they're being constantly dicked over or let down by the band or Merck b/c as of right now... GN'R is the furthest fucking thing from their mind. A broken promise to deliver an album in 2006... that only several thousand die-hards heard and are holding Merck/Axl to... will NOT submarine this. And as we all know, if and when CD drops- the majority of the most pissed off jaded die-hards will be right in line buying it and checking out the band when they hit their town.

I've been pissed off at GN'R on several occasions [including cancelled shows in Berlin ('01) and Nashville ('06)]... but I've also accepted the fact that I am but one in a sea of millions of potential CD purchasers out there- and also that I don't have the ability to simply walk away from the band and block them out as a matter of principle... I love the music too much. So here I am. What I do do though is refrain from doing cartwheels and reserving a space in my cd rack for each time Merck or Axl has something promising to say about CD. It's the mantra of so many on this board that it's played out... but it is the right one... WHEN CD IS IN MY HANDS I'LL BELIEVE IT. If you can buy into that reality... you'll save yourself a lot of grief. If not delivering it in 2006 is too much for you to bare and you walk for good... cheers to you... you're a better man than me. : ok: 

He can just rework shit and add guest musicians for a CD after Chinese Democracy. At this point, he should either shit or get off the pot concerning Chinese Democracy.

Every thread like this I actually post in gets deleted but anyway. I AM upset if there is a delay, I really wouldnt be surprised if we are here next year discussing the same shit.

I wouldn't say upset is the word for it. Let down and disappointed with GnR would be more appropriate, I guess.

Axl had absolutely no right to go on record atleast 3 times this year saying cd would be out before year's end unless he was 150% positive!! No matter what kind of spin "management" tries to put on it, it's still ultimately Axl's fault. He's the one that made promises, so it all falls on his head.

That's all assuming that cd doesn't come out this year.

What pisses me off the most is that not only has he had a year since he said it would be out this year, he's played the album several times since that statement, and besides a vague "only {insert number here} tuesdays left" there has been nothing but silence.

Remember Axl stating Bucket was gone and he was going to announce the release date in a few months? yeah......... same old bullshit.

I wont be... If 2007 comes and there is no album...i will stop following them.... whats the point??? No album, no "new" songs,  same ol setlists, no merch, no DVD's....

I have been following this shit for years now..... Im loosing intrest in this project fast.. I dont even check the "show update" threads anymore since i know what they will say.... Band starts late,...  1/2 full crowd but they are into it, ... same setlist..... no updates....

At least RockStar SuperNova comes out on the 21st.... I know ill be buying a decent rock record this month....


yeah i know "if i dont like it fuck off"

Well, If it doesnt come out this year, Im going to download it. I refuse to buy it, I don't like lies.

? Yes, yes I do. and from what i've read for the past tour, i'm sure that's a fact. How many people did you guys hear singing along and recognizing the new songs? In toronto, i'd say maybe 5% of the crowd (hell it probably was just a handful)...
 
  Stop it with this "we made you Axl!!" attitude... It's not the HARDCORE fans that bought the majority of the tickets for the concerts...

? So yes...DON'T get upset about delay times (at least don't take it personallY), because you're not owed anything...I'm as anxious as any of you here, but to claim that Axl NEEDS to do this/that...it's absurd...it's become more of a gossip-column for stay-at-home wives...

? I'm not agreeing with the situtation...i think it's complete shite...the band could've been more damn open when it comes to releasing dates, etc, and at least placate us for a while, but stop whining like your parents didn't get you the toy you wanted for christmas...it's funny how when they cancelled the Portland show, they were quick to issue a press statement, but now that all the negativity in th epress, etc is coming out...nothing. Although, the album coming out WITH all this press behind it will probably create much more of an impact.

And if it doesn't come out in 2006, then what?

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=83734

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Dude. I don't disagree with much of what you've said. I'm just trying to point out that we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking us "die hards" hold any leverage in the matter. If CD drops in 2007... or in 2011... it will still receive a ton of international media attention... if it's good... it will be HUGE b/c the vast majority of the people out there don't feel like they're being constantly dicked over or let down by the band or Merck b/c as of right now... GN'R is the furthest fucking thing from their mind. A broken promise to deliver an album in 2006... that only several thousand die-hards heard and are holding Merck/Axl to... will NOT submarine this. And as we all know, if and when CD drops- the majority of the most pissed off jaded die-hards will be right in line buying it and checking out the band when they hit their town.

I've been pissed off at GN'R on several occasions [including cancelled shows in Berlin ('01) and Nashville ('06)]... but I've also accepted the fact that I am but one in a sea of millions of potential CD purchasers out there- and also that I don't have the ability to simply walk away from the band and block them out as a matter of principle... I love the music too much. So here I am. What I do do though is refrain from doing cartwheels and reserving a space in my cd rack for each time Merck or Axl has something promising to say about CD. It's the mantra of so many on this board that it's played out... but it is the right one... WHEN CD IS IN MY HANDS I'LL BELIEVE IT. If you can buy into that reality... you'll save yourself a lot of grief. If not delivering it in 2006 is too much for you to bare and you walk for good... cheers to you... you're a better man than me. : ok:?


You hit the nail on the head! ?So many people take the quotes that we get here and there, and they treat them as gospel. ?But in reality, 99% of the time it's just to generate a buzz. ?Now that is not saying I don't wish and hope for some of these rumors and such to be true, because I fall for them just as much as the next guy. ?But at the end of the day, when all we're left with is disappointment, we bring that on ourselves. ?Believe it or not, we are the minority when it comes to GnR fans. ?I'd be willing to bet that other than us on here and other GNR boards, most other Guns N' Roses fans have no idea of the 21st rumor, the Better HD ad, hell I bet a small number didn't even find out about the tour until last minute, if at all.

Point being, as the days go by and the end of the year draws closer, of course I'm disappointed with the lack of a release date or anything for that matter. ?But I'm also to blame for the disappointment because I'm the one buying into all of the hype. ?And there is nothing wrong with that as long as I know to point the finger at myself and not Axl or anyone else involved with GnR at the moment.

give up all hope and find a band to follow that actually keeps its word

you continue living your life.  I always like Axl's quote about waiting for the return of Jesus.

It's too bad if they delay the album yet again. There is a difference between perfection and just anal... there will always be some exscuse it seems. But on the bright side the band kicks ass live. Would like to hear more new songs and stuff like "Yesterdays".

Who said it was delayed? Democracy in China... never gonna happen. Chinese Democracy... we'll see.

why do you keep on reading them? i never read thiese kind of threads, just a waste of time IMO
so a horse's dick is hairy? never knew that, how do you know that? :nervous:

Edit: Not good enough :hihi:

I don't think Bach is overrated.  His vox with Skid Row were quite good.  I DON'T think he's the right voice for GNR material, but different doesn't equate with bad.

As far as i concerned if the album doesn't get released this year - GNR will be considered the worlds biggest music joke - Vanilla Ice move over.

I really hope for the future of GNR, he releases it this year, especially after Axl promised!

Right on, Matt.  All Axl is doing now is trying to rake in some cash on a nostalgia tour.  I'll buy the album much in the same way that we all stare at a traffic accident.  I will never go see them live again, it's too risky.  Maybe the delay is due to a change in album title:
Never Ending Disappointment by Guns n Roses
Delayed....Again by Guns n Roses
The Brian Wilson Sessions by Guns n Roses
What 2006 Promise? by Guns n Roses
Pipe Dreams by Guns n Roses
Fans? what fans? by Guns n Roses
The World's Longest Running Joke by Guns n Roses
The re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-recorded Album of the Century by Guns n Roses
If This Were a Dog, it'd Be Dead by Guns n Roses

this delay represents the first time this situation happens in the world music history!
specially for me, waiting this since 96 and now i'm 29!

I hope this bastard, at least explain what are the causes for that! and hope this year...

As a huge fan, I won't be "bitter" if the CD isnt released. My thoughts stem from embarassment and incompetency from Axl and his band.
The problem is, the majority of the material on this CD is anywhere from 4-7 years old. The band has toured in promotion of this CD in 2002 and again in 2006.  This can't go on forever. The material will be so dated, that it won't matter how great the songs may be. It  should have been released 4 years ago, and if not then, then certainly right now.
The name GnR will continue to lose credibility in too many peoples eyes.

This is the first time we've been told explicitely, both by Axl and management, that the album will be out in this year.  Before it was always cryptic.  Now we've actually heard Axl say "It will be out this year" and Merck has said "It will be out this year".  So if it's not, I will be disappointed

That's exactly what I mean. It's not about people saying "they didn't promise us anything" or "they weren't obligated to release it" or "they never said anything definite" or whatever; in the past it's always been "maybe next summer" or "possibly this fall" or "we will announce a release date in the coming months..". They've never said "definitely this year, fall or late fall" or "there are x tuesdays left in the year, the album will come out on one of them".

There's only one thing to say about the whole thing - BAH!

It's getting ridicelus now. Like children playing hide and seek.

Sure is alot of upset and fed up people around here.

So I was at the record store today.  What do you know, no CD?!?!?

There was more activity in the store than I had seen in a long time.  Another oppurtunity missed.

Another Tuesday gone.

Still no sign of a single.

Faith fading.........

No HD Better ad, no CD, no single, half price tickets, and most importantly NOT A SINGLE WORD FROM THE BAND to us as to what the fuck is going on after all the promises and waiting. Unless they release a statement really soon telling us what is going on and anouncing a release date, even if it's in 2007, then they really fucked up and lost most of the fans that they had left. I know many people who will rather download the CD when it finally comes out because they have been fans for over a decade and the band has treated them like shit by refusing to tell the truth about anything.

when he's using the promise of the new album, for the second time, to sell concert tickets, and the album isn't going to come out, at the very least during the concert cycle, then he does owe us something.

"Once there was this rock and roll band rollin' on the streets, time went by and it became a joke..."

I think his voice gets better and better, seems like the more practice he gets the better he sounds, I wonder if the recordings sound as good as Axl's sounding now, I think he had big voice problems the last few years, that may have something to do with all this, I think he and the band are as good as ever, definetly better than anything out now.

It's unlikely that all the activity you witnessed were hardcore GNR fans hoping that this was one of those Tuesdays.

Yeah I'm thinking he's had voice issues since the very first shows in Vegas in '01 and probably even back when OMG was recorded.  No telling why until he comes out and talks about it (yeah right!).  But his voice in the Better commercial sound awesome and sometimes his "smooth" voice sounds cool as I'm sure we'll all hear on "Sorry" which is one of the tracks I'm most excited to hear on CD.  But I'm sure he's gone back and re-recorded vocals with his good ol' chainsaw throat now that its back. 

this maybe the most sensible reason....the band is tighter and Axl sounds better than ever before. I've always have felt that they've needed to tour to become solidified as a band. To see hear and feel what works. The studio is not what creates the chemistry but its the road. On the road is where all the bugs are worked out. Going back to do touch ups because theyknow what works and what sound s better....that makes sense.

Makes sense when it comes to a band that never reherses all together in the studio.

I dont care if the album is not released this year,
and I wont bitch because of that.
if it gets canceled I'd bitch because we were left hanging...
if they plan to rescheudle it, at least they could show some decency to tell us about it, not make us go wacko.

that's why I think the album is coming out this year.
they cant be that cruel to lie to us, and then let us believe in it...

why dont we all just forget about it. listen to the gnr we've got, the live bootlegs we've got, the spin off stuff, rare tracks etc. and forget about chinese dem, maybe one day it will come, but who cares anymore.

Yeah that's all fair enough, it's a very good possibility, but ultimately, why can't they just tell us these things and be honest? I'm sure people will be not only more tolerant but more appreciative if somebody came out and said "look, sorry the album's been delayed, but Axl wants to integrate the musicianship of the current band members into the album and further enhance the quality of the album, we anticipate it will be ready though by xx date, the band is aware of your patience and is very greatful" or something and at least make it sound alot more convincing and definite, and at the same time, a bit sympathetic to the fans who give their money to support the band, and in return I think that would go down alot better with fans. Just like Axl's personal comment regarding that show cancellation. People were rightfully pissed off and frustrated but i know (well hope anyway), that those same fans were taken back that Axl himself took measures to personally apologize to fans, especially fans on this forum

I agree, I would rather him take his time with the cd with the voice we love, he sounds great, I went to the WV concert it was flawless for being Live, I would go again.

Reschedule it....

In articles and all that you hear "the oft rescheduled GNR album..." often.

As far as I know it was never even scheduled to begin with! Axl saying this year that it will be out was the closest it's evr been to even being "scheduled".

If Axl is really worried about the new members, then why don't they hurry up and release CD and start on another album with the new members??

 I totally agree. Lots of people seem to be blind to reality. This is all a Game to Axl. It's utterly insane to string people along year after year. The people who put up with this nonsense are Suckers. I'm confident that I could come back to this forum in the year 2009 and people will still be on the edge of their seats waiting for a release. Do yourselves a favor and assume that it's Never coming out.

I find it funny that people seem to think they know what is going on in Axl's head. I don't see how you can think this is "all a game to Axl". And as for the "people on this forum... putting up with this nonsense" and "being suckers" that would include you.

If you think you will come back in 2009 and still see people posting optimistic things about the album coming soon then feel free to leave.

I dont think this is a game to Axl, and when I said i dont think Axl purposely lies to fans I stand by that comment.  I doubt Axl and Merk call eachother and say, "Albums not coming out for a while, lets tell people itll be out this year so we get buzz."  I really dont think thats the case.  I think they planned on having it out this year just like theyve planned to have it out almost every year since 1999.  The album is probably a year or two away I would guess.  Youll all flip out about that, but Axl will do this tour, then go rest his voice, rerecord stuff , probably there will be another leak or two, maybe tour a little more, and probably drop it November or so 2008.  He has proven time and again he doesnt want to release it unless its perfect, but it never will be perfect, but I think in two years he will feel too much pressure not to release the album.  This could all change though if someone steals and leaks the CD, because then in order to make any money he will have to release the album.  I dont know why everyone believed management this time and actually thoguht the album would be out.  It wont be out this year and i really dont believe it will be out next year either.

haha.. this is funny.  In 2008 no one will give a damn.. I certainly won't.

Axl said it was coming this year.. IF it doesn't then i will not be interested in Chinese Democracy at all (Apart from downloading it) - This seems like it is becoming a big joke.

I understand the troubles he has had - but 8 years plus for an album is getting a little boring.
I have been a fan for 13 years, but I hate to say it,  I'm starting to doubt it coming out at all!

I find it funny that people seem to think they know what is going on in Axl's head. I don't see how you can think this is "all a game to Axl". And as for the "people on this forum... putting up with this nonsense" and "being suckers" that would include you.



BZZZ. Wrong. I'll tell you why. Axl has shown us for years what goes on in his head. Promise release, Delay, Promise release, Delay, Promise Release, Delay. Wash, rinse, repeat. Axl knew perfectly well how to put out Albums from 1987 to 1992 when the band was relevant. Did he suddenly turn stupid and forget how to do it. Maybe he needs Slash to come back and show him what to do. This CD is total BS and I am no longer buying into it. That is why I am not a sucker. I no longer give a shit. Axl is a has been who is trying to make a comeback and he's having very limited success. He better kiss the ground of the loyal fans here. Its just about all he's got left.