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This album is going to basically sell it self. They dont need any promotion. Once the album drops, there is going to be a huge word of mouth buzz .I am sure they will have huge display in stores but once its out you know that Gnr.com will have it on their main page, mtv.com, rollingstone.com, blabbermouth.net etc etc will all  hvae it on their front pages that its now out. Also, i wouldnt  be suprised of the better HD ad at the end says the song better can be found on the album CD out now in stores. And I tunes could also have the first single on the main page.  Basically the no promotion thing is their promotion and its going to be huge.

What would be the point of that? Why not release a single, do a press blitz, in addition to letting it sell word of mouth?

What you described isn't "no promotion". it's more like " no promotion until there's actually something to promote".

I still think it'd be smart to announce a release date, even if they don't announce it til a week before it's coming.

WTF? ?You just listed off a bunch of promotion. ?The fact that there is a Harley ad (promotion) and a Chinese Democracy tour (promotion) makes this thread complete nonsense.

BTW, promotion doesn't end when an album's release date has passed for everyone who equates promotion with announcing a release date.

Yes, but I can see that they will promote after the album. Like, let it sell with us, THEN promote AND let word of mouth seek in. Its a double atack I say. *Ps., Trriiiippppyyyyy :o*

Personally,  I think it's a mistake to drop the album without notice.  If you want big first week sales, which I'm sure Interscope does, then the thing is to let people know so they can go out and get it the first week.  I'd like to see a nice promotional push to let people know it's out so it can debut at #1.  GN'R deserves a fair chance for that, at the very least.  Ultimately, no promotion will make up for a weak album.  The strength of the sales over time will depend on the strength of the album as well as it's commercial viability.  "Better" would be a good choice for a first single because it's so catchy and so damn good.  That's the best kind of promotion, in my opinion.

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That is somewhat true, but much like a movie after opening weekend the media and general public move on to something else. Besides, you need to blow your nut upon release and get as many sales as possible, because the days of the slow burn are over with the advent of downloading.

Yes it is no promotion, because they are not paying for it. If RS talks about CD gnr are not promoting it, RS are  basically. Point is Universal is not spending a lot of promotion on this album because they dont need to

The recent car commercial with Jane's Addiction's True Nature in it made me pull that cd back out. ?Got my attention.

The Harley ad will create a buzz. ?Better will be released on the adz heels.

Then the cd one week later.

So here's how it's gonna go............

Harley Ad debuts Sunday. ?Single hits the airwaves next week just in time for major travel days (Thanksgiving). ?

CD is released on the 28th of November.

That's it. ?Stop all the fuckin whinin and for all Gunner's sake stop talkin like you know what can and can't happen because its Guns n fuckin Roses for Christ's sake. ?

Well, I would say that is true of the music industry today... The reason being that they package a hit single with a bunch of a filler and sell some made-up "image" for a band. ?Everyone picks up the record in the first week and the record companies make a quick buck and move on to the next band. ?

I don't these "new" rules of the industry apply to GN'R, especially since they are releasing an album with substance. ?The days of the "slow burner" are not over (The Killers first album and American Idiot are a prime example of that), quality music just isn't being released. ?If Chinese Democracy is going to be as good as it seems it will be, first week sales will mean nothing.

What good will it do to promote "Better," but not tell people when they can go buy the album it's on? Surely Interscope wouldn't rely on 300 message board faithfuls to tell the masses.

The Ghs has been on the charts for THREE  years and that had NO PROMOTION at all. CD is going to do the same thing. If the GHs can sell three million with no promotion you really dont think a new cd by guns n roses can do the same thing?

THey also had much wider general appeal than I suspect Guns will. The Killers and Green Day crossed over into Adult contemporary/modern hits type formats as well as Kiss FM, and I don't think GNR is going to make it out of the rock genre. Without those formats and MTV playing the shit out of your videos all day, I don't see how Guns experiences that type of pro-longed success.

Those displays in stores aren't free you know. Somebody has to pay for the GnR website that would have an ad for the cd. I guess it'd be considered minimal promotion. You can bet your ass after that album comes out, there will be ads for it in RS, Spin, and probably upteen other publications.


Dude, when that cd first came out i saw commercials for it ALL THE TIME. You could even order it thru some 800 number on the screen. That's PROMOTION!

GH was a compilation, not new songs. I want CD to do well too, but I don't buy that they wouldn't promote it.

Amen Easy!


So what were the first week sales of AFD?  15 million copies later............

We fans should have a hunger strike, until CD is out.

Reality is, it won't be huge without people knowing about it.  I can't think of a store near me that would have a "Huge" display for this album.  There really won't be a "huge" word of mouth buzz either, other than the internet.  There just isn't millions of fans of this band like there used to be and they should have a single if they want to gain some NEW fans.  THAT'S REALITY.  This isn't the biggest band in the world anymore, face it.

It just won't be this "bring peace to the world" event like some of you are thinking.  It's an album from a band that hasn't released an original album for 15 years and with only one original member.  Don't get me wrong, I wish it was going to be the way you think it will, but without PROPER promotion it will just be "another" album released.  Do you really think it will be on the world news?? "This just in to CNN... Guns N' Roses have released an album without promotion!!!  What an event people!!!"  It will never happen that way.  It's just an album from a great band and it means nothing to the majority of the population.  .00001% of this entire world know that GN'R could have an album coming out with no promotion behind it and those people are US and THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TOLD.

I'm not being negative whatsover but I'm just trying to bring you back to the reality of the situation.  This album will not stop wars or cure diseases.  Fuck, it won't even cook for you.  It's music that a lot of people could care less about. 

"The albums promotion is simple, the promotion is there is none."  I just don't think that idea works.  I think it would be more correct to say, "This albums promotion is simple, there is none."  I think it's just want we want to believe so bad because we just want this fucking album to come out.  We don't even care if it's promoted or not anymore.  I honestly could give two shits if it's promoted or not because I'm here for the music.  The record company making money doesn't matter to me at all.  That's up to them to worry about and if they actually do a half-assed release with this album, then it's their fault they won't be making the money that they SHOULD be making.  I've typed a lot more than I wanted to and I only meant to type 2 or 3 sentences but I fucked that all up.  I just want people to see this how IT REALLY IS and not as the second coming of Christ.

I am saying they are not gonna promote it before it hits shelves like most bands do. The promotion is to keep people guessing then when it drops it will create a huge buzz, then that will start the promotion. But you are not going to see the release date in mags or anything. That is what i think is going to happen.

So you think they will try to milk the first few weeks for all they are worth? ?It doesn't seem like the strategy they would use for a Guns N' Roses record.

I think Gnr would much rather have CD do what the GHs is doing, peak high and stay on the charts for years, instead of what most albums do sell a million and then after a few months drop off the charts. 

to save the band money on promotional costs.

A million copies of CD couldn't be pressed and shipped w/o people finding out before.

If it was done over seas then it would easily.

Without promotion the sales figures will probably be pretty poor, so probably not. That is what they should be doing though, because you open yourself up to a whole host of negative publicity if your the band and the thing sells poorly up front because no one knows it out to even go buy it.

And a million copies of CD won't be pressed if there is still a chance of them going back into the studio as we heard today in another thread.

There are fans all over the world and that includes overseas.  We would find out somehow.

Ghs debuted at #3 with zero promotion if im not mistaken. If the better ad has the released date on it then that is all they will need. Because once that happens MTV, RS Spin etc will all pick it up. If Bettter HD is going to really debute the 19th and lets say CD release date is the 21st, that is pleanty of time.

Not if it was japan where honor is a huge thing.

Says WHO??!!?? ? Axl said that??.......Robin??.......Bumble??........Merck, Beta??!?? ?Or some "insider"?

Maybe Axl could just get Willy Wonka to press the CDs with the help of the Ompa Lumpas?

BINGO!

Even with a gag order, confidentiality agreement, whatever, it'd still get out.

For instance, some cd factory worker spends his shift pressing CD. He's signed an agreement, but he's just got to tell somebody. Worker goes to a public computer (library, for example) and blabs the news. The IP addy is traced back to a public PC, making it nearly impossible to prove who leaked the info.

But GH also had a bunch of songs on it that a lot of people know and love, even people that don't have any albums of GN'R.  It was an oppurtunity for people to get the songs they like from the band without buying all the albums.  If that same someone that picked up the GH when it came out picks up CD, they will look at it and see that it has no songs that they are familiar with and put it back.  A lot of people are scared to spend money on something that is unknown.

In order to sale a million copies in the Digital Age , axl will have to cross over , to people who like not only rock but even rap , or country //


300,000 units today is like a million in the late eighties

It's not going to. It is a HD commercial, not a Guns N' Roses commercial. Besides, there is little reason to believe the commercial will be any different than what we have already seen, which makes no mention of the fact it is a new GNR song, or the name of the song. I would hardly be pegging all of my hopes on that add.

Am I the only one who remembers commercials for GH? I saw them all the time when the cd first came out. Especially during commercial breaks for Monday Night Raw.

I was saying it couldnt, not it would. Like I said CD is not going to have that much promotion before it drops. If it does it will come very fast like a week at most before the album drops. Maybe even three days. The fact is, if there was going to be some huge promotion months before the cd drops, it would have happened by name.

I do remember those.  You could call and order a copy and get a free poster with every order I think.

THANK YOU!! That's promotion!

You don't know that for sure though.  It could be out in a month from today and have 3 weeks of promotion.  Nobody knows for sure.  You can't say that it will have a "week at most" for promotion because we have no concrete evidence at all to support that.  And don't say, "Well Merck told RS..."

Ok people the album is said to be out this year. There are SIX tues left in the year. The last tue is xmas so it wont be out that week. That leaves FIVE tues it can be. ?If there was going to be some huge promotion for the album it would have started by now. The promotion for CD is not going to start heavily until AFTER its out. Like ?said if we hear anything it will be ?a weeks notice and that is it. The more tues that past with out hearing anything the more what I am saying is true. This thread is my opinion and its what I think. But here is the thing for there to be an Ads in mags it would have been made by now since most mags released this month are the dec or jan issue. So that is out under AFTER cd drops

I can't remember an album having more commercials than Greatest Hits.

An album WILL NOT SELL in the age of the download without promotion. Consumers buy what they're told to. If people hear that Guns n Roses has new music out, they'll just get on their favorite file sharing program and download the songs. If people are told over and over "BUY THIS ALBUM," they will.

:rofl: Dave, thats the post of the day. : ok:

You act like Mr. Miyagi is going to be shipping these albums out from Japan.

At least someone caught my sarcastic post lol

How do you know if there was going to be huge promotion it would have started by now??  You don't know that.  2 or 3 weeks could be huge promotion, it doesn't matter how long it is.  According to you, this album will only have a week worth of promotion at the most, but it won't be huge promotion.  Because to you, huge promotion has to be over a month long, right?  You said there are 6 tuesdays left in the year and HUGE promotion would have already started if it's to come out this year, right??  So you're saying 2 or 3 weeks worth of promotion can't be huge??

Check your calendar Dave. Christmas is on a Monday. December 26th is a possibility. So far, the only thing i know coming out that day is a new Switchfoot cd.


That's what i said in my initial post. No promotion until there is something to promote.

I meant the day after xmas. And everything is returned that day and no album would sell on that day.

We ll see  how it pans out, but like I said, I dont think we will hear much before its dropped. Like Merch said, we could just walk into a store one day and its sitting there.  The ideal date to release CD is the 21st or 28th. Those two dates always have the most rumors about the drop date being. That is two weeks and under away. Like I said CD wont have any promotion til it drops. If it does it will be very close to the release date.

Shit,I was picturing a "Wyld Stallyns" type of moment with this disc and you went and fucked it all up.? ;D

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GN'R has played for almost 1 million people this year. A normal band with a record coming up in the next weeks spent their year in a studio recording it, not touring. So in a way, that's a lot promotion.

On the other hand I find it hard to believe that they'll drop the album without at least 2 weeks notice. I get a little less hopeful each day.  :(

NEWSFLASH:  you don't need any promotion if you're Guns N' Roses!  Everyone already knows about the band, and Chinese Democracy and the leaks.  Promotions would be a stone cold waste of money.  If Merck announced that the album was coming out tomorrow, I promise you, there'd be a line around the block within TEN MINUTES!

This is the same band that made Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine, Patience, Paradise City, November Rain and Madagascar.  If Jay-Z and Madonna can sell a million records, than Chinese Democracy will sell TWICE AS MANY MILLIONS.  Easy.  No sweat. 

We'll just have to wait for one of the next six Tuesdays to see which records it breaks!!

Not even all the people going to the shows know about the leaks.

Sorry, but I don't think that's true.  Everyone loves IRS, in particular.  It's catchy and rocks hard. 

Wyld fucking Stallyns!!!  HAHAHAH!!!  That's classic.  I don't think GN'R could ever change the whole universe like Bill and Ted did.

So... was this a sarcastic post??  A line around the block waiting to buy CD??  So it would have a PS3\Xbox30 type of impact??  I don't think so and it won't break any records.  Plus, it won't sell TWICE as many as Jay Z's album.  That shit just won't happen and that's being realistic.

EDIT:  Oh shit, sorry about the double post guys.

That's what I've been saying all along!

Dude, we'd all be dead.

And if it does just show up, Axl is going to be really made fun of. I'm not even going to watch that weeks best week ever.

They should think about going on G4. They talk about Axl everytime there's news, and are actually making Chinese Democracy a topic of conversation, unlike everywhere else. A little acoustic set on Attack Of The Show would be killer.?

LOL.. i dont think so dude.

GnR is making this album be a surprise.

A. Everyone and there GnR fan can't wait for this album so they are toying with us which tuesday it is.

B. I think Axl wants to surprise his fans what BETTER way then to secretly drop the album

C. Axl said more new songs will be played on tour once the album drops.

D. Don't you think its funny that Izzy is said he might be doing Christmas shows since there hasn't been any promotion don't you think this might be a ploy to get Chinese Democracy flying off the shelves.   Album is released and a original member is touring with GnR that's great promotion.  That really can get more sales from people who aren't familiar with GnR word of mouth hey REMEMBER GnR yeah I went to a show and Izzy was playing great strategy.

Sort of. ?What will happen is this: ?

The album will be made available at major retailers - arriving pretty much literally "overnight" for all purposes ( a post earlier was correct - smaller chains know what they are receiving - the only way to skirt this will be to ship out x amount of "unordered" copies to these small shops which is a crapshoot ?at best). ?If small shops don't have it right away, within days after the major commercial release every shop will carry it.

Also, a big ad campaign is going to run parallel to it from the date of it's release moving forward. ?Unlike most albums where the hype is there weeks if not months before, the label already knows the demand is there but no one expects an actual release date (at least they haven't for the past 14 years). ?I'm betting some people will know about the release and start posting it 1 day or so before it's release - no avoiding this, but it will be a blitz upon release and it will be the first time (at least that i can rememebr) that an album with this many people clammoring for it didn't hit the Internet completely leaked weeks before it's release. ?

The buzz created by the media (and already planned) will be pretty powerful - every major website will run the story that "this mythical album for all intents and purposes just showed up today on store shelves as if Santa Caluse himself had delivered it while everyone was asleep." ?The only thing I am unsure of is just how hard the label itself will promote the album - i do not know that information. ?In-store displays, posters etc are a given, but billboards, ads on yahoo! , etc. I am not sure about.

That about sums it all up in a nutshell.

btw,

Jay Z's album due November 21st has leaked.

Yeah, for about a week now...

That's true, when I was singing along Better, IRS, Madagascar etc. people around me were looking at me like 'what the fuck is that guy doing?'.. And when I was talking to these people they had no idea about the songs, some of them had heard the titles but not the actual songs.

Nevertheless, it has leaked. What is your point?

Uuuuuuum, nothing?

I just added something to your post.

Ok, just checking. Are you ok tonight? I sense something.

And you're not the only one my friend.

Trouble makers?

No, they're not. People on this message board keep coming up with release date theories and everyone runs with them. The only thing that's been said, by anyone in Guns n Roses, about the album, in months, is that it's not coming out November 21st.


When has Axl said he wants the album to be a "surprise?" We've heard about it for 13 years. I think that disqualifies it from being a surprise anyway.


Izzy played with them in Europe. I can't recall Fox News or CNN or even MTV having a breaking story about Izzy going on stage with Guns n Roses.

If he does do a few shows with them, it won't have the impact you're imagining.

Exactly. A bunch of you guys are expecting the world to stop turning when GNR makes whatever move they're going to make regarding the album, and it's simply not 1991 anymore - Bands that get a lot of attention are bands like The Killers and Evanescence because they hit home with the kids, just as GNR did back in '88.

Every single person I've ever talked to about GN'R, particularly the new band, has either laughed or smirked through the conversation - As of now, most of the real world has no clue that Axl's back, and if they are aware of it, GN'R don't have this "legendary" status that most of us would like to believe that they do. Wonderful band, yes, but in the eyes of most people, it's just not the case.

I love this band, but there's no way in hell that they're going to capture the attention and love of a fanbase anywhere near the size of the glory days. I wish they would, honestly.

All I'm trying to say is - Be realistic, guys n' gals. It's much more sensible than hyping this project up more every day beyond the already ludicrous hype that it has.

^^ Exactly. The last time GNR did anything newsworthy was when Axl got into a "fight" with Tommy Hilfiger. Trust me, more people heard about that than the 4 leaks or this tour.

An album release with no promotion would be a PR nightmare. Anyone who'd bother to even mention the release would just put down Axl, the "new" band, and how long it took them. And you know if the reviews are bad, Axl will go back into hiding.

And I know what you mean about people smirking over the mention of Axl Rose. I've told ALOT of people that I saw them in Huntington. The responses I've gotten have been things like:

"Didn't Axl gain a bunch of weight and lose his voice?"

"Is Axl still fat?"

"That's so 80s."

"What group of characters does he have with him now?"

"Is Slash still with them?" (Yes, I'm serious)

"Was he rocking the football jersey?"

And other responses along those lines. Promotion is a MUST. The 2002 VMAs are still fresh in people's minds. That isn't going to sell cds.

Not true.  I saw television commercials for it many times.  I believe I even heard radio ads for it.  It received as much promotion as any other album, maybe more. 

I second that, I saw a TV-commercial for GH many times here in Finland. I think there was some clips from YCBM or Live And Let Die. Didn't really pay attention but I have it on some of my Simpsons-VHS's :P

And I think there were some posters too, but I'm not 100% sure.

This is true. The Tokyo show highlights were even played on Australian evening free-to-air TV during the GH release.

I think they (being the record company etc.) would want to be milking this for every single dollar they can. Yes it will sell a million or so easily.. but if they can sell another million through loads of promotion then I think they will.

However, if the album was to come out this year, I would have thought week 1 of December was the best time.. a few weeks before Christmas. And if it was coming out then, I would have thought we would have seen some promotion or new something about it by now. That's why I do not think it will be out this year. I think January.

Because it's Chinese Democracy. It doesn't need massive promotion, the album's already a myth.

It will generate a huge buzz in a few hours/days

Yeah, but that buzz is only gonna last so long. Then real promotion would need to keep people informed of it.

That's where a single comes in.

There's gonna be at least a single. That is just good music business senes. You can't have an album out, and no singles on the radio.

Well if Better is gonna be on the HD commercial, then wouldnt you just put the puzzle together.
Why would they license the song just for the hell of it. It's obviously to promote something.
They would just keep Paradise City as the song for it if that was the case.

So the single should obviously going to be Better.
So there will be a single.

Actually, having no promotion or release date could help stop a leak before the album is released.

It's obvious what's happening. The UYIs were hyped to the hilt. They even opened record stores hours before the album came out. They suffered for that as a lot of people didn't give the albums a fair chance and thought they were only successful of the hype. Nobody will be able to say that about CD. Axl and GNR have already delivered one of the most hyped albums in history. Now he wants to do the opposite. Look at all the people who have seen them play live. If only they by the record in the first couple of weeks, that's a success.

I doubt it. Critically UYI I & II were bashed in 1991, but now are regarded as masterpieces.

Civil War & You Could Be Mine were both released as singles before Use Your Illusion II ever came out. Not to mention, if I remember correctly, Bad Apples leaked to radio before Use Your Illusion I's release.

I noticed he has a song called Oh My God on his new cd. Just thought it was kinda funny.

Yeah, it's a remix like the Linkin Park mashup.























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