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So far many people have gotten info by their local stores, shops, etc,etc.
and many of them are saying its nov.28th, but I doubt those dates came directly from the band/management, but might be an educated guess by the
store managers.
if the date they are putting out is actually based on some official information, or a source from the band, dont you think that
kerrang, rolling stone and other respectable music news sources would have known about it.
those magazines are probably as informed as the best of the record stores, and they'd probably be the first one to know.
so assuming the 21st date (by  RS) is complete bullshit, since it's only 10 days away, we still have a high ranking music magazine/source to confirm
any of the dates (28th, 5th,....).

and just another variable to the equasion...
it would be wise to expect that the music magazines for december will have some sort of adds,comertials,articles concearning the album.
after all, music magazines are a part of usual album promotions.
RS, kerrang,... usually come out in 1st week of the month.
either they are going to have a sneak peak at the album, or are going to have a full review of the album, depending if the album is releasead, before or after the
magazines are on the market.

I dont think there's anything to worry about. I'm 99% convinced that the album will be out in the next 50 days.


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I guess you all must agree with me : ok:

I can't speak for the others.  But as far as I go.  I just don't know what to say anymore.  Is it coming out or will we find ourselves disappointed on Dec 31st because CD will not have been released.  Will the magazines know before us?  Will there be ads in mags?  Nobody knows.  I am even wondering if Axl knows himself.  I guess time will tell. 

The dates are all bs because they aren't true.

EVERYTHING since knowledge of this album's existance has been rumor on release date.

Despite what some say, I want to see one solid piece of evidence Axl said the album would be out in 2002, 'cause I never saw it or read it.

All we've ever heard officially from Axl is '2006'. And he's the one that decides.

Let it play itself out for now...

at least one of them was true.
the bullshit starters have covered every possible date in nov.11-dec.31st period.

there's also almost nothing to discuss about this anymore.  The best we can say is "oh man 28th, that sorta makes sense... but where the single?"

we'll know when axl says something, until then keep your thirst for it going and it'll be even better.

You're forgetting that the media, and especially The Associated Press, do not want to release any positive information about Guns N Roses.

im drunk and your bs

Yeah exactly.. nothing to discuss.

You're forgetting that the media, and especially The Associated Press, do not want to release any positive information about Guns N Roses.

You're a real rocket scientist, especailly considring most of the reviews have beeen pretty good.

Mike,

Ya missed some not so subtle sarcasm.  Please see the thread on the cancelled show in ME.

New Thread - same crap

It's all rumors and speculation.

If the band and/or management had set a date for November, I think they would've told us.

I mean, we didn't hear about the tour dates by reading about them in Rolling Stone.

I also don't think we'll get to know the release date because somebody sees the album listed on HMV's list.

I don't know why some of you think the band would hide the release date by telling HMV and not telling the fans about it.  ???


So the reason why all the dates so far are bullshit, they didn't come from the band.




/jarmo

right on jarmo

but then again, guys, don't get all mad if CD aint out in 2006. i'm sure they're doing the best they can.
but if they feel more secure releasing in 07, then so be it.

and we will know before anybody do not worry about that.

Exactally Jarmo.

Like Mysteron said, we will hear the release date from management, so I mean who cares what some girl working minimum wage at a record store paying her way through college says is in the company computer?  :hihi:

When it is set, management will be the first to tell us. All the "rumors" should be completely ignored.

And since management said it's coming out in 2006, it's coming out in 2006.

And one might think "Well, it has been 2 months or so since the last time they said "2006 is the word." BUT...

I beleive that if it was pushed back to 2007 they would have already told us, because they know that if it rolls into 2007 without any mention, then the media is going to eat it up as "Axl fails to bring Democracy yet again." and itll look horrible. I bet theyve got something up there sleeve, any day now we should get the press release.

We may not get a press release, hasn't it become clear to anyone but me that we may never be warned about the release at this point?

Hopefully it just happens and everyone here is happy for a week or two.

It's not going to just be a "surprise release". Mysteron has already confirmed that.

Ever think Mysteron may not know, he has admitted he doesn't. He's not management.

...and I beg to differ, if it comes out this year it will be a surprise to many.

He's pretty damn close to management, because he "knows" about the store gonna be put on the site, and says it as fast, sets up presales, etc....

I'm sure if he wasnt told something, he wouldnt have said "GNR management will announce the release date." as speculation because he knows that everyone for the most part, takes what he says as fact. And he didnt say "I think" he said it as fact.  : ok:

By the way, everything indicated by Jarmo, and if we believe he is in the know to varying degrees, Mysteron doesn't have the answers. Also, clearly in Jarmo's last post in this thread he talks of management protecting the release date from the public. Merck himself has refused to pony-up a date and has been playing guessing games with Rolling Stone. Get with the program people, sit back and enjoy the ride... it may be a short one.

Quote: "I don't know why some of you think the band would hide the release date by telling HMV and not telling the fans about it."

That eludes to the fact that the date is being hidden, right? ...and that telling HMV would not be a very smart way to keep it hidden, am I right?

If Axl wants it to be as much of a surprise as possible, no one except Axl, Merck and maybe Beta will know. Mysteron doesn't need more than a day or two notice before it hits stores.

In my oppinion, this is why I still think there's a chance it will pop up on a split sheet or something, before we get the official word. As someone else said, Rolling Stone and no one else told us about the new tour dates.

But even the split sheet thing will go un-noticed here because no one knows how to call and ask the store managers the right questions. And worse, when the split sheet thing came up, people brought up the old internet hmv date even though the split sheets have nothing to do with that. Kind'a funny really, to sit back and watch the confusion.

The band will announce the release date, not me or HMV

No it doesn't.

All I'm saying is that I think people doing detective work looking for the release date are only causing other fans to get excited about false release dates.

Just like you're reading too much into what I said and meant.


Why would the band tell HMV the album will be in their stores on a certain date, but not tell anybody else? It makes no sense!

The answer is, the band hasn't said anything.




/jarmo

You're kind of taking what Jarmo said in the wrong way.  He never said they were hiding the release date.  They probabably don't even have a release date set yet because if they did then we would probably know about it.  It's not going to be some big surprise release like some people STILL THINK.  When the album is going to be released, we will know about it ahead of time like we do with any other album.  Be realistic and stop thinking the album is  coming out of nowhere because that will NEVER happen.

Are you guys still optimistic about a 2006 release ?

true, thats a possibility, but then again were not gonna believe HMV anyway, so it could come out on that day..

stores HAVE to know abit ahead of time..fact is though, they could just not put it in the system until a couple days before..

I agree. But I still think that if someone tries hard enough, they might be able to "find out" the release date from hmv or another major retailer before it is officially announced. That's different than hmv "announcing it."

Damn, you are fast. I say the word "Mysteron" and you just pop right in.  :hihi:

Thanks again for the confirmation man. Really great to have someone like you in the community, makes up for all the rumor-obsessed people, if that makes any sense.  :hihi:

I converted your post to ASCII. ?Added up all the values and then factored it down to a 6 digit number.

I got ?121,906.

Are you trying to confirm Dec 19th?

Is Jarmo or Mysteron still optimistic about a 2006 release or do either of you think it's out of the realm of possibility now?

That's the million dollar qeustion !

Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I genuinely misunderstood.

yes, I just want to know what Jarmo and Mysteron think of a 2006 release, if they are still positive that it will be this year..

They won't answer that. At least Jarmo won't. (waits anxiously, refresh, refresh) :nervous:

You're missing the point. They don't know any more or less that would make their oppinion more worthy than others.

well it would still be nice to know their opinion, I'm not asking about a fact or inside info.

Something like that. ^ That should answer your question.  : ok:

I still believe that it will be out by the end of the year.
it would be really unethical for the band not to let us know about the change in the scheudle...

There!

The bands manager stated it being released on one of the Tuesdays before the end of the year. I'm assuming we should still trust his word.

We are now down to 4 Tuesdays left!

I just hope it's out by the next time they return to Detroit so I can see them play more new songs to support the album, sure I'd like to see Axl and Merck be able to release it in 2006, but if they don't, I won't be whining about it, I firmly believe it is coming and this time "soon" is the word. How soon, I wish i knew...... :peace:

I expect to see my self whining, only if they rescheudle it, and dont let us know untill the last moment...
that would be highly unethical...
if they anounce it tomorrow, OK,
but if they anounce it on dec.19th I'd feel cheated...

No, he didn't...technically.

The quote from the MLB press release stated the following:

"As for Guns N' Roses forthcoming "Chinese Democracy" album the only comment at this time is that there are 13 Tuesdays left between now and the end of the year."

Nowhere in this quote does it say the album will be released. Sure, it implies a helluva lot, but the wording is quite deliberate (meaning they could bow out of '06 and not be bound to a press release quote). My guess is that there WAS a plan and the wheels WERE in motion (albeit they might not have had a concrete release date, but 2006 WAS the plan) but something got in the way and it's been pushed yet again. That would coincide with the stories we've been hearing about how the record company is holding it up and that the band is no longer the monkeywrench.

Whatever the case may be, I just hope that the album is released properly and according to a plan that all parties agree on. If not, we may just get a half assed release with little or no promotion and I would hate to see what appears to be a very promising album be overlooked by the masses simply because of a lousy (or nonexistant) release plan.

*points to sig*

thats where he said it!!

from the RS article

Exactally I was about to post that. I remember him saying "It will come on one of them."  :yes:

I must have missed that one. When was it said?

Merck stated in the RS article that it would be out this year on one of Tuesdays remaining. He either holds true to his word or loses all credibility of being someone trustworthy to GnR' fans.

LOL...sorry 'bout that. I DID miss that article. Hmmm...I wonder why  :P

Well, you never know the whole story man, there could be other factors that delayed the release..... i'm not saying their is for sure, i'm just saying there could be... I hope it comes out by 07 and everyone is happy. :peace:

they probably forgot how an album gets released...
after all it's been 10 years since theyve done it last time... :D

I agree with what you say except for the fact that we are the minority. ?By that I mean us here on the GnR message boards. ?So the only people that he'd lose any credibility with is us here on HTGTH and so forth. ?And yes he did make the statement in RS, but I can't even think of a handful of people around here who read RS. ?I didn't realize how uninformed most GnR fans were until I talked to a bunch of people at one of the shows. ?:o

^Yeah, I know. Some thought they were gonna be seeing Slash.  :nervous:

 :rofl:

I remain optimistic.

But I know as much about the release date as HMV....




/jarmo

thank you for your response jarmo

Look the album will come when its ready and not before all these bullshit rumours really start to grind after a while, one day we will see the album i mean fuck weve waited long enough a few more days isnt going to hurt, all the signs are pointing in the right direction to say we will get it be happy with that for now

i would love to see it out this year but if it gets pushed back 3 more months am i gonna bitch? no

It appears like management tried to cover up the article primarily for the statement about the remaining Tuesdays. Nevertheless, I read it and I hope that I can trust Merck's statement about CD being released this year. I can tell you one thing, if it doesn't get released this year and no statement of explanation is made, then we will been treated like a minority and not like loyal GnR' fans.

which is more than anyone here! 
I'm enjoying the mystery -- call me a masochist.  But I would rather have the album come out at the right time and be a success, rather than just shoehorning into a bad date at the end of this year -- that makes no sense to me, after a 10+ year wait.  Better to do it right.

Whether or not it gets released this year...ah i don't know, this is getting more confusing by the day

but regardless of the outcome i hope we will get SOME COMMENT from ANYBODY (official source of course), advising us about the status of the album, whether it is finished or if things are holding it up or even just a brief yes or no,and if no, preferrably with more information

You know, I can understand if the album isnt released this year, for whatever reason.  I have NEVER expected it this year anyway.  The GNR camp did imply that it would be, though, which is sad.  They know that they have the fanbase in a frenzy guessing what day,etc. but they wont acknowledge it.  The GNR camp should at least tell us that it wont be out this year. Because its not going to be.  I guess they are afraid that the tour will lose ticket sales if they actually confirm our fears of no album.  Thats the only reason I can think of for GNR not giving us any news. Bottom line is, if it was coming, we would have the date. 

If it's not out by the end of the year, it would be nice to see an apology, and a more definite release. Something like "We're sorry to get your hopes up and dissapoint you, there was every intention of releasing chinese democracy on the 28th November, but that proved unworkable. However the album WILL be released in february 2007. -Axl, Merk, and Guns n Roses"

I remain hopeful, but more out of optimism than anything else

i have loved gnr forever...but really have some doubt now

Thanks. Wasn't expecting that. I seriously thought you might know.

That's what I've said. Even if they don't provide us with a definite release date (it would be fucking nice but a long shot), at least an update to say "there were a few factors in holding back the album further than our release being x and x and that'.. as long as they're not vague with the release schedule i.e. "we hope to have a release date in the coming m onths"