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Title: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: samoice on November 10, 2006, 05:24:50 PM
theres one thing i noticed about the us tour compaired to the uk .

when guns was ever reported on liv news in the uk.. they would use recent live footage of the new band , give postive news fora comeback.
when on US news , theres something bad happen, it goes on news straight away.. and they show pictures and videos of the old band , the recent CNN report is an example to that and saying nothing poistive at all about the recent shows .,

Do US really hate guns that much ?
 I kno its vauge bbut its late .. bt im hoping some of you  get know what im on about ..


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: AxlReznor on November 10, 2006, 05:27:27 PM
As far as I know, the US tour has been better received by the press than the european one.  I remember a certain Kerrang! review?


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: polluxlm on November 10, 2006, 05:29:29 PM
The US press is more professional than UKs.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: philspectorshotme on November 10, 2006, 05:47:28 PM
why are spanish people different than indian people? :'(


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: titchy on November 10, 2006, 05:48:58 PM
The US press is more professional than UKs.

thats a bit arrogant isnt it 


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: user FKA webmoster on November 10, 2006, 05:49:11 PM
why are spanish people different than indian people? :'(

wait...wtf. since when?


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: polluxlm on November 10, 2006, 05:50:49 PM
The US press is more professional than UKs.

thats a bit arrogant isnt it?

No, not really. You can judge a press by how negative they are. More negativity, more sales, more professional.

Obviously not fact, but that's how I see it.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: GunsN'Gravy on November 10, 2006, 05:54:38 PM
Axl seems to like the european press or at least be indifferent to it, He doesn't like US press and Has gone on long winded rants about them in hte past. Plus americans would rather see a celebrity fall on their ass than see one reach the top, be it Axl or Mariah or Madonna or brad pitt it doesn't really matter who.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: novemberparadise23 on November 10, 2006, 05:55:46 PM
all the reviews of the us shows have been positive
 the only negative they brought up is that they have been late starts but thats  rock n roll


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: AxlReznor on November 10, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
Axl seems to like the european press or at least be indifferent to it, He doesn't like US press and Has gone on long winded rants about them in hte past. Plus americans would rather see a celebrity fall on their ass than see one reach the top, be it Axl or Mariah or Madonna or brad pitt it doesn't really matter who.

I seem to remember him taking exception to the british press at least once...

"That means you Andy Secher at Hit Parader
Circus Magazine
Mick Wall at Kerrang!"


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: 25 on November 10, 2006, 06:02:35 PM
The UK press has to be among the worst in the world. I bet there are 25 cent rags that you can buy on the streets of Burma (okay, Myanmar) that take journalism more seriously.

Even the broadsheets are pathetic, substituting crass sensationalism for ridiculously pious reverence does not make you a good newspaper. 


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: mlewis on November 10, 2006, 06:04:28 PM
The UK press has to be among the worst in the world. I bet there are 25 cent rags that you can buy on the streets of Burma (okay, Myanmar) that take journalism more seriously.

Even the broadsheets are pathetic, substituting crass sensationalism for ridiculously pious reverence does not make you a good newspaper. 

But also the most respected in the world- the BBC is watched worldwide as an impartial, apolitical source of news.

This should not be in the GnR section.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: AxlReznor on November 10, 2006, 06:07:02 PM
The UK press has to be among the worst in the world. I bet there are 25 cent rags that you can buy on the streets of Burma (okay, Myanmar) that take journalism more seriously.

Even the broadsheets are pathetic, substituting crass sensationalism for ridiculously pious reverence does not make you a good newspaper.?

But also the most respected in the world- the BBC is watched worldwide as an impartial, apolitical source of news.

This should not be in the GnR section.

The BBC is not the press.  Press is magazines and newspapers (they have to be pressed to be made).  The BBC is a credible source that you can trust... but their news rarely covers music.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: 25 on November 10, 2006, 06:09:27 PM
The UK press has to be among the worst in the world. I bet there are 25 cent rags that you can buy on the streets of Burma (okay, Myanmar) that take journalism more seriously.

Even the broadsheets are pathetic, substituting crass sensationalism for ridiculously pious reverence does not make you a good newspaper. 

But also the most respected in the world- the BBC is watched worldwide as an impartial, apolitical source of news.

This should not be in the GnR section.

Yes, the BBC usually produce quality news programs. I wouldn't count them as part of the press though, due to them being a tv station.   :P
It's a weird dichotomy. The UK produces some of the best television news coverage (Sky News excluded), and yet the newspapers are barely good enough to wrap your fish and chips in.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: A Private Eye on November 10, 2006, 06:11:02 PM
As far as I know, the US tour has been better received by the press than the european one.? I remember a certain Kerrang! review?

Kerrang changes it's views to suit what it's emo readers want to see that week. If GNR are looking big again they'll hype them, if they're not they'll slate them. I assume you're referring to the Kerrang Download review? If you are the BBC review of Download was nothing short of excellent and said Guns were the highlight of the festival. More people will have seen the BBC review than the Kerrang one.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: AxlReznor on November 10, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
I'm not sure... the BBC review was buried on a website, whereas the Kerrang! one was in the world's biggest selling rock and metal magazine.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: mlewis on November 10, 2006, 06:15:25 PM
For anyone who didn't see it;

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There's a moment when it all hangs in the balance.

For 30 minutes, Guns 'n Roses have singed the eyebrows and eardrums of the Download crowd. After being over an hour late on stage at Hammersmith earlier in the week, Gn'R are on-time and on-form, opening with flashbombs and the one-two-three suckerpunch of Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy and Mr Brownstone.

Live And Let Die and Knockin' On Heaven's Door follow, before guitarist Robin Finck picks out the signature riff to Sweet Child O'Mine.

But you can tell from the giant screens flanking the stage that all is not well on the braided, goateed visage of Axl Rose. He's been carping about the stage being too slippy and, during a front-of-crowd walkabout, appears to aim the 'c' word at an over-zealous steward. As the band's most famous song dies, he abruptly announces: "We're having some technical problems, so we're gonna take a break."

I was on this Leicestershire soil in 1988 when the over-exuberant response to Guns' debute Donington appearance led to the fatal crushing of two fans. With tonight's restless crowd, semi-delirious on three days of booze, guitars and 30-degree heat, this could all turn nasty. Just as it seems as though Axl's well-documented appetite for self-destruction is about to consume another comeback appearance, guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal saves the day, appearing alone, stage front, to crank out a guitar-only version of Don't Cry which quells the bottle-fight in the crowd enough for normal service to (almost) be resumed.

You Could Be Mine claws back more ground but then Axl's gone again, leaving Finck and Richard Fortus to widdle their way through a (frankly excruciating) guitar instrumental version of Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful". That's followed by the night's first new song (The Blues?) in which the level of chatter in the crowd, followed by booing and chants of "sort your f****** head out" , have seasoned Axl-watchers on alert yet again. When bassist Tommy Stinson grabs the vocal mic and threatens to go home if he's hit by one more flying bottle, the rainclouds gathering above Download for the first time all weekend seem an apt, if ominous, portent of a coming storm.

Maybe Axl needs this danger, this threat of impending violence, to really get the adrenaline racing. And as the band rips defiantly in to Out Ta Get Me, the whole dynamic shifts. Dizzy Reed's solo piano version of Ziggy Stardust is  warmly received, another new song (Better?) sounds loads, erm, better.

The tide has turned, and it's time for Axl's coup de theatre: "I'd like to welcome a very good friend of mine?Mr Izzy Stradlin?" and out trots his former sidekick to roars of approval. There are now as many members of prime-time Guns n' Roses in this band as there are in Velvet Revolver, and the performance of Think About You that follows throws down a gauntlet for all pretenders.
Guns n' Roses T shirt

"Can I get a piano out here?" asks Axl and seated, drink in hand, there's only one way he's going now. November Rain is nothing short of a masterpiece, the band firing, finally, on every single cylinder as the main man, in his own words, "beats the hell out of that old love song."

Another "old friend" is welcomed onstage in the shape of ex-Skid Row singer Sebastian Bach, possibly one of the few frontmen who can give Axl a run for his money in the helium-scream department. The pair trade lines through My Michelle, before Stradlin's recalled for a run through Patience and a punked-out, four-guitar version of Nightrain which, to coin a phrase, rolls like a freight train right through the middle of this dusty field.

The encores, bravely, begin with another newie, Madagascar, before Brian Mantia kick-drums the seven-piece into a masterful version of Rocket Queen.

"I don't wanna go home," says Axl, before admitting: "that's different to how I felt an hour ago."

Two more new songs ? IRS and Chinese Democracy ? are aired, both of them whetting appetites for the new album, before Izzy Stradlin comes out once more for the final two-step, a ramshackle, Stonesy version of Useta Love Her and a thunderous reading of Paradise City which lights up the sky with pyrotechnics and ticker-tape cannons.

Guns n' Roses were once proclaimed The World's Most Dangerous Band. On tonight's evidence that danger is still there, which ? while at one stage threatening to derail the whole show -  has instead focused Axl and the band into delivering one of the all-time great Donington performances.

Yes, Metallica were unstoppable on Saturday night, but they didn?t face the pressure of a world waiting to see them put a foot wrong. What Axl delivered in the face of that expectation was a two-and-a-half-hour masterclass in the light and shade of rock'n'roll.

The new album, Chinese Democracy, is reportedly ready for release. If it lives up to tonight, then Guns n' Roses will once again be the biggest band in the world.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: A Private Eye on November 10, 2006, 06:17:09 PM
That's the one  : ok:


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: Acquiesce on November 10, 2006, 06:19:39 PM
I don't think it has to do with the US hating the new Guns. It's just that the original band is more known than the new band. I also think it's because the US might be more resistance to change. I remember Bruce Dickinson ranting about American fans because he felt like we're just into the old hits and refuse to give new things a chance.


The BBC is not the press.? Press is magazines and newspapers (they have to be pressed to be made).? The BBC is a credible source that you can trust... but their news rarely covers music.

Uh, the BBC is indeed part of the press. You might want to brush up on your definition of the press.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: AxlReznor on November 10, 2006, 06:20:44 PM
Press = stuff that was pressed... ie - published.  BBC is on TV, no pressing involved. :P


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: 25 on November 10, 2006, 06:23:23 PM

Uh, the BBC is indeed part of the press. You might want to brush up on your definition of the press.
The BBC is part of the larger news media, but not the press. Let's all try to pay attention to the language we've agreed on, 'kay?  :P


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: Acquiesce on November 10, 2006, 06:28:44 PM
Press = stuff that was pressed... ie - published.? BBC is on TV, no pressing involved. :P

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/press

7 a : the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : JOURNALISM b : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting c : news reporters, publishers, and broadcasters d : comment or notice in newspapers and periodicals <is getting a good press>

 :)


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: jbenzz on November 10, 2006, 06:30:13 PM
Press = stuff that was pressed... ie - published.? BBC is on TV, no pressing involved. :P

The word press is pretty old. ?I'm pretty sure it was around before other forms of reporting were mainstream. ?The 'press' refers to people reporting news, whether it is through print, audio or video. ?In terms of reporting on GNR shows, I don't think there's a major difference between printed or radio/TV reporting.


Title: Re: Why are US press different from UK ?
Post by: 25 on November 10, 2006, 06:33:55 PM
Press = stuff that was pressed... ie - published.  BBC is on TV, no pressing involved. :P

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/press

7 a : the gathering and publishing or broadcasting of news : JOURNALISM b : newspapers, periodicals, and often radio and television news broadcasting c : news reporters, publishers, and broadcasters d : comment or notice in newspapers and periodicals <is getting a good press>

 :)

You're arguing a point based on usage or, in this case, misuse. Usage does bastardize a good percentage of the language but why continue to perpetrate a misuse when we have a perfectly good word like "media" which describes the subject  and is commonly understood?